1 00:00:01,851 --> 00:00:04,601 Could you tell us about November 7th, 1980? 2 00:00:04,604 --> 00:00:05,738 I remember everything. 3 00:00:06,539 --> 00:00:10,403 Will and Julie went riding their bikes around 4:00. 4 00:00:10,405 --> 00:00:13,236 Supposed to go by a friend's house, kid says he never saw 'em. 5 00:00:13,238 --> 00:00:14,444 What did you do? 6 00:00:14,446 --> 00:00:16,027 You're their mother, where were you? 7 00:00:16,029 --> 00:00:17,444 I am entitled to a life! 8 00:00:17,446 --> 00:00:19,111 How long have you folks been sleeping separate? 9 00:00:19,113 --> 00:00:21,640 Dan left last May, then I took the couch. 10 00:00:21,643 --> 00:00:23,238 - Dan? - My cousin. 11 00:00:23,701 --> 00:00:25,823 You're having memory problems, right? 12 00:00:25,826 --> 00:00:27,074 What? 13 00:00:27,077 --> 00:00:28,341 You have memory problems. 14 00:00:28,343 --> 00:00:30,695 Henry's coming with the people from the TV. 15 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:32,469 So, you caught the case back in '80? 16 00:00:32,471 --> 00:00:33,927 Didn't work again 'til 90. 17 00:00:33,930 --> 00:00:34,957 And your wife's book 18 00:00:34,959 --> 00:00:37,429 was considered a classic of literary non-fiction. 19 00:00:37,432 --> 00:00:39,888 I teach English. Will's a student of mine. 20 00:00:39,891 --> 00:00:41,903 There's a few of the older boys. 21 00:00:41,905 --> 00:00:43,861 They make it hard on the others. 22 00:00:43,863 --> 00:00:45,486 Last name is Woodard, 23 00:00:45,488 --> 00:00:47,778 saw him riding around when I was looking for the kids. 24 00:00:47,780 --> 00:00:48,945 What's your partner doing? 25 00:00:48,947 --> 00:00:51,613 Man was a long-range reconnaissance in 'Nam. 26 00:00:52,780 --> 00:00:55,528 I found the boy. There's no sign of the girl. 27 00:00:55,530 --> 00:00:57,328 Two months ago, the burglary 28 00:00:57,331 --> 00:00:58,867 and only one set of prints. 29 00:00:58,870 --> 00:00:59,993 Julie Purcell. 30 00:00:59,996 --> 00:01:01,113 She's alive? 31 00:02:23,671 --> 00:02:28,242 - Synced and corrected by VitoSilans - -- www.Addic7ed.com -- 32 00:03:22,196 --> 00:03:25,986 You have the autopsy report. 33 00:03:25,988 --> 00:03:28,446 I don't need to go over that. 34 00:03:30,446 --> 00:03:32,486 Blunt force trauma... 35 00:03:32,488 --> 00:03:34,738 and a cervical fracture. 36 00:03:35,905 --> 00:03:38,736 Somebody broke his neck. 37 00:03:38,738 --> 00:03:40,446 Brought him to that cave. 38 00:03:42,405 --> 00:03:44,446 Folded his hands, I guess. 39 00:03:47,113 --> 00:03:48,820 Alan. 40 00:03:48,822 --> 00:03:51,027 Talk to me about Oklahoma. You have to, man. 41 00:03:51,029 --> 00:03:52,609 Wayne, this isn't the time... 42 00:03:52,612 --> 00:03:54,777 How many sets of prints were taken? 43 00:03:54,780 --> 00:03:58,109 Do they know she was one of the robbers and not a customer? 44 00:03:58,112 --> 00:04:00,818 If they found her, you wouldn't even be talkin' to me, right? 45 00:04:00,821 --> 00:04:02,361 Do they have video surveillance? 46 00:04:02,364 --> 00:04:04,289 Mr. Hays, the purpose of this deposition 47 00:04:04,292 --> 00:04:06,903 is to give your statement, not to extract one from us. 48 00:04:06,905 --> 00:04:10,528 I'm pretty easygoin', but go away already. 49 00:04:10,530 --> 00:04:12,861 I don't think I will. 50 00:04:12,863 --> 00:04:15,453 Look, we're not at liberty to divulge details 51 00:04:15,456 --> 00:04:17,902 of an ongoing police investigation, 52 00:04:17,905 --> 00:04:20,152 nor to share discovery items with anyone 53 00:04:20,154 --> 00:04:21,861 other than the prosecutor's office. 54 00:04:21,863 --> 00:04:23,653 Now, you can talk to them, if they'll talk to you... 55 00:04:23,655 --> 00:04:27,236 All right, stop. 56 00:04:27,238 --> 00:04:28,444 Wayne. 57 00:04:28,446 --> 00:04:31,653 Finish up today, all right? 58 00:04:31,655 --> 00:04:34,319 Then after, we'll speak. 59 00:04:34,321 --> 00:04:36,523 I'm sayin'... 60 00:04:36,526 --> 00:04:38,942 we'll talk. Okay? 61 00:04:42,071 --> 00:04:44,528 Now, you were sayin'. 62 00:04:44,530 --> 00:04:46,820 You questioned people during this time. 63 00:04:46,823 --> 00:04:50,364 - Right? - Do you know another way to do it? 64 00:04:52,655 --> 00:04:54,820 The father worked at Wilson Body Works, 65 00:04:54,822 --> 00:04:57,027 where they used to make parts for school buses. 66 00:04:57,029 --> 00:04:59,152 We talked to everybody there. 67 00:04:59,154 --> 00:05:02,361 Employed about a hundred people from West Finger. 68 00:05:02,363 --> 00:05:04,695 The dolls were their own thing. 69 00:05:04,697 --> 00:05:07,321 Wasn't gettin' us anywhere, either. 70 00:05:14,530 --> 00:05:16,611 Thank you very much. 71 00:05:16,613 --> 00:05:19,486 That guy collected garbage, Woodard. 72 00:05:19,488 --> 00:05:21,069 We talked to him too. 73 00:05:21,071 --> 00:05:25,194 I saw the kids. They were pedaling into the sun. 74 00:05:25,196 --> 00:05:26,947 Headed west? 75 00:05:28,863 --> 00:05:31,945 We went by your place. 76 00:05:31,947 --> 00:05:34,069 You sorta collect things, huh? 77 00:05:34,071 --> 00:05:36,403 I salvage trash that I can sell. 78 00:05:36,405 --> 00:05:38,569 You don't need to make it sound better than that. 79 00:05:38,571 --> 00:05:42,444 You got any other properties? Anywhere you keep things? 80 00:05:42,446 --> 00:05:45,069 I don't have anyplace else. 81 00:05:45,071 --> 00:05:47,569 What'd you do before this? 82 00:05:47,571 --> 00:05:50,486 Before you collected scrap. 83 00:05:50,488 --> 00:05:54,986 Uh, came back from overseas. '72. 84 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:57,194 Did some carpentry. 85 00:05:57,196 --> 00:05:59,736 Construction dropped off. Things didn't work out. 86 00:05:59,738 --> 00:06:02,611 My marriage. Stuff. 87 00:06:02,613 --> 00:06:04,569 I was gone too long. 88 00:06:04,571 --> 00:06:07,361 About four years ago she left me. 89 00:06:07,363 --> 00:06:09,279 Took the kids. 90 00:06:10,571 --> 00:06:12,569 I was motor pool. 91 00:06:12,571 --> 00:06:16,403 My man here was a LRRP. Two tours. 92 00:06:16,405 --> 00:06:20,655 Detective Hays. They called him Purple Hays over there. 93 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,027 You miss your family? 94 00:06:24,029 --> 00:06:26,903 I... Yeah. 95 00:06:26,905 --> 00:06:29,444 I miss being someone that way... 96 00:06:29,446 --> 00:06:31,405 a way I could have a family. 97 00:06:32,488 --> 00:06:34,277 You were recon? 98 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,903 Seventy-fifth Infantry. 99 00:06:37,905 --> 00:06:40,152 Sergeant. 100 00:06:40,154 --> 00:06:42,194 You must be pretty insane. 101 00:06:42,196 --> 00:06:43,736 Volunteerin' for that. 102 00:06:43,738 --> 00:06:46,279 I didn't think about it much, tell ya the truth. 103 00:06:50,321 --> 00:06:52,111 I ain't one of them burnouts. 104 00:06:52,113 --> 00:06:56,179 Ya know, comes back bustin' guys up, gettin' high. 105 00:06:56,182 --> 00:06:57,903 And I ain't a bum. 106 00:06:57,905 --> 00:07:00,319 I keep a house. I pay my way! 107 00:07:00,321 --> 00:07:02,822 Hey. I ain't judgin', man. 108 00:07:04,154 --> 00:07:07,778 Look, I punch in and out. 109 00:07:07,780 --> 00:07:09,861 I put on a suit in the mornin'. 110 00:07:09,863 --> 00:07:12,027 And bein' honest... 111 00:07:12,029 --> 00:07:15,446 I don't have much of a life. 112 00:07:16,488 --> 00:07:18,528 So why? 113 00:07:18,530 --> 00:07:20,403 Why punch in? 114 00:07:20,405 --> 00:07:22,903 Why the suit? Why... 115 00:07:22,905 --> 00:07:25,571 I don't ask myself questions like that. 116 00:07:27,071 --> 00:07:30,154 Could be I'm too chickenshit, Mr. Woodard. 117 00:07:32,530 --> 00:07:34,695 It ain't my world. 118 00:07:34,697 --> 00:07:37,277 Less than yours, even. 119 00:07:37,279 --> 00:07:40,029 But I did pretty good at following orders. 120 00:07:41,363 --> 00:07:43,319 Now... 121 00:07:43,321 --> 00:07:45,632 You ever do this? 122 00:07:45,635 --> 00:07:48,008 I miss when "Don't get killed" 123 00:07:48,019 --> 00:07:50,810 was the only thing on my to-do list. 124 00:07:52,321 --> 00:07:55,820 It's hard to unplug from that. 125 00:07:55,822 --> 00:07:58,321 I spent a year comin' down. 126 00:08:02,655 --> 00:08:06,405 Just to go back over it, you sure you didn't see anything? 127 00:08:07,625 --> 00:08:08,945 I told you. 128 00:08:08,947 --> 00:08:11,361 I saw the teenagers out there, too. 129 00:08:11,363 --> 00:08:13,903 I was goin' in the other direction. 130 00:08:13,912 --> 00:08:16,370 You like kids, generally? 131 00:08:17,691 --> 00:08:19,439 Do... 132 00:08:19,442 --> 00:08:21,942 What the fuck's the right answer to that? 133 00:08:24,787 --> 00:08:26,110 You think I... 134 00:08:26,113 --> 00:08:29,569 Listen, I got two kids, okay? 135 00:08:29,571 --> 00:08:31,238 Where are they? 136 00:08:32,363 --> 00:08:34,111 I don't know. 137 00:08:34,113 --> 00:08:36,027 She didn't tell me. 138 00:08:36,029 --> 00:08:38,361 And I haven't gone lookin'. 139 00:08:38,363 --> 00:08:41,569 If I'd never left... 140 00:08:41,571 --> 00:08:44,029 I think it'd have been fine. 141 00:08:45,071 --> 00:08:48,569 But to go, and come back... 142 00:08:48,571 --> 00:08:51,778 I just couldn't put myself back in that old story, that's all. 143 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:54,988 And I couldn't leave it, either. Ya know? 144 00:08:56,780 --> 00:08:59,945 You ever been someplace you couldn't leave, 145 00:08:59,947 --> 00:09:02,695 and you couldn't stay... 146 00:09:02,697 --> 00:09:05,571 both at the same time? 147 00:09:13,613 --> 00:09:15,446 Do you remember the place? 148 00:09:21,196 --> 00:09:22,905 I remember. 149 00:09:33,738 --> 00:09:37,277 I can tell you all that none of us will rest 150 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:39,528 until we achieve justice in the matter. 151 00:09:39,530 --> 00:09:41,820 Our detectives are hard at work, 152 00:09:41,822 --> 00:09:45,194 and this is priority one for law enforcement 153 00:09:45,196 --> 00:09:48,903 in Washington County and Northwest Arkansas. 154 00:09:48,905 --> 00:09:50,720 Now, it's temporary, 155 00:09:50,723 --> 00:09:53,116 but we're gonna have to have a curfew for a little while. 156 00:09:53,119 --> 00:09:55,630 It's important that we keep an eye on our kids right now, 157 00:09:55,633 --> 00:09:58,129 and we want to make sure you know where they are at all times, 158 00:09:58,132 --> 00:10:01,486 and that they're indoors by 8:00. 159 00:10:01,488 --> 00:10:05,027 Now, we can't really say too much about the investigation, 160 00:10:05,029 --> 00:10:07,486 but I'm here to answer any questions I can. 161 00:10:07,488 --> 00:10:10,361 Well, I don't let mine go near Devil's Den. 162 00:10:10,363 --> 00:10:12,945 Everybody knows you got something happenin' in it. 163 00:10:12,947 --> 00:10:14,376 Bums, junkies. 164 00:10:14,379 --> 00:10:16,403 Queers meet up out there. 165 00:10:16,405 --> 00:10:18,653 You have a question, sir? 166 00:10:18,655 --> 00:10:20,945 I wanna know what y'all are doing to break up that stuff. 167 00:10:20,947 --> 00:10:22,986 Clean up that park! 168 00:10:22,988 --> 00:10:24,444 What about these junkies? 169 00:10:24,446 --> 00:10:26,861 You got heroin in Arkansas now. 170 00:10:26,863 --> 00:10:30,069 Right now our focus is tryin' to find this little girl 171 00:10:30,071 --> 00:10:31,528 and bring her home. 172 00:10:31,530 --> 00:10:33,695 We're considering every possibility. 173 00:10:33,697 --> 00:10:35,194 And what about that fella 174 00:10:35,196 --> 00:10:37,775 always diggin' through everybody's trash? 175 00:10:37,778 --> 00:10:39,860 Mr. Kindt, can you tell us 176 00:10:39,863 --> 00:10:41,611 if they think the girl is still alive? 177 00:10:41,613 --> 00:10:43,861 It's our hope that she's alive, yes. 178 00:10:43,863 --> 00:10:47,725 But again, I really can't discuss any of the details of the investigation. 179 00:10:47,728 --> 00:10:51,986 Now, our detectives have a pair of Xeroxes to pass out. 180 00:10:51,988 --> 00:10:55,653 One is a picture of Julie Purcell. 181 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:58,889 The other is the kind of backpack that the boy, Will, had. 182 00:10:58,892 --> 00:11:01,111 It's red and has his name on it. 183 00:11:01,113 --> 00:11:04,361 Now, if anyone has any information of potential interest, 184 00:11:04,363 --> 00:11:05,820 no matter how far afield, 185 00:11:05,822 --> 00:11:07,403 share it with us. 186 00:11:07,405 --> 00:11:10,319 And trust that we will not let this terrible, cowardly act 187 00:11:10,321 --> 00:11:12,111 go unpunished. 188 00:11:12,113 --> 00:11:14,986 Your old boss got real vocal around then. 189 00:11:14,988 --> 00:11:17,736 Gerald Kindt had an election comin' up the next year. 190 00:11:17,738 --> 00:11:21,903 I know. I guess that works to some point in your petition. 191 00:11:21,905 --> 00:11:25,113 It's worth notin', I think, his motivations. 192 00:11:26,238 --> 00:11:27,653 Well... 193 00:11:27,662 --> 00:11:30,078 now he's fuckin' State Attorney General. 194 00:11:31,822 --> 00:11:34,790 But we didn't work for him. He was your boss. 195 00:11:34,793 --> 00:11:37,113 Oh, not for a good while now. 196 00:11:40,154 --> 00:11:42,403 The broken neck is clear. 197 00:11:42,405 --> 00:11:44,277 But the way the arms were folded... 198 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:46,405 - I know. - And the other thing. 199 00:11:46,408 --> 00:11:48,259 The hell are those dolls for? 200 00:11:48,262 --> 00:11:51,610 Correct. Look familiar, some way. 201 00:11:51,613 --> 00:11:54,444 Like the kind of thing at country fairs. 202 00:11:54,446 --> 00:11:57,778 What do you get from that crowd in there? 203 00:11:57,780 --> 00:11:59,903 They're worried. 204 00:12:04,029 --> 00:12:06,861 Could be thinkin' it coulda been a neighbor. 205 00:12:06,863 --> 00:12:11,695 Had 'em sign in. Saw some shifty eyes in there, but... 206 00:12:11,697 --> 00:12:13,905 may be my redneck radar. 207 00:12:14,824 --> 00:12:16,449 I don't know. 208 00:12:17,694 --> 00:12:19,277 Excuse me. 209 00:12:34,655 --> 00:12:36,488 - Hi. - Hey. 210 00:12:38,780 --> 00:12:40,655 You found him, didn't you? 211 00:12:43,988 --> 00:12:46,403 You look like you haven't slept in a couple days. 212 00:12:46,405 --> 00:12:49,822 Work to do. How's it at school? 213 00:12:51,321 --> 00:12:52,697 Sad. 214 00:12:53,988 --> 00:12:56,321 People are scared. 215 00:13:01,238 --> 00:13:03,319 Well... 216 00:13:03,321 --> 00:13:05,154 been askin' about this. 217 00:13:06,488 --> 00:13:08,528 We haven't gotten anything. 218 00:13:08,530 --> 00:13:12,321 I don't know, you knowin' the kids and such. 219 00:13:14,029 --> 00:13:16,695 You ever seen anything like this? 220 00:13:16,697 --> 00:13:19,069 Seen a kid with a doll like this? 221 00:13:19,071 --> 00:13:22,361 Uh, maybe. I don't know. 222 00:13:22,363 --> 00:13:25,321 Looks like something you'd find in a craft store or something. 223 00:13:27,113 --> 00:13:30,697 I... I haven't seen any of the kids with them. 224 00:13:32,284 --> 00:13:33,657 Can I keep this? 225 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:35,860 Uh, sure. 226 00:13:35,863 --> 00:13:37,820 I'll ask around with the kids, 227 00:13:37,822 --> 00:13:39,947 maybe check with the other teachers. 228 00:13:39,950 --> 00:13:41,617 All right. Thanks. 229 00:13:44,530 --> 00:13:46,653 Uh... 230 00:13:46,655 --> 00:13:48,446 Amelia. 231 00:13:51,154 --> 00:13:53,738 - Okay, I gotta go. - All right. 232 00:13:55,571 --> 00:13:57,196 Be safe. 233 00:14:02,697 --> 00:14:04,319 Now, this family... 234 00:14:04,321 --> 00:14:06,501 Haven't we spent enough with this? 235 00:14:16,947 --> 00:14:18,530 It's helpin' me. 236 00:14:20,154 --> 00:14:22,361 Bringin' things back. 237 00:14:22,363 --> 00:14:24,238 How's that? 238 00:14:26,985 --> 00:14:28,694 Your mother. 239 00:14:30,378 --> 00:14:32,628 I, uh... 240 00:14:34,780 --> 00:14:37,695 I have trouble seein' her sometimes. 241 00:14:37,697 --> 00:14:40,653 Or, uh... I know who she is, 242 00:14:40,655 --> 00:14:43,947 but the parts of our lives, pieces... 243 00:14:45,571 --> 00:14:47,822 I can't picture 'em. 244 00:14:49,947 --> 00:14:52,653 You think Mom wants you to keep doin' this? 245 00:14:52,655 --> 00:14:55,988 It's bringin' things back. Goin' over the case. 246 00:14:57,029 --> 00:14:58,736 I'm rememberin' things. 247 00:14:58,738 --> 00:15:01,446 My life. Your sister. 248 00:15:07,495 --> 00:15:10,286 You know when the last time I saw Rebecca? 249 00:15:14,822 --> 00:15:16,822 Mom's funeral? 250 00:15:18,947 --> 00:15:22,697 I think you talked on the phone a few months back. 251 00:15:36,405 --> 00:15:39,154 You sure you wanna keep talkin' to the TV people? 252 00:15:42,446 --> 00:15:44,403 That woman, the director... 253 00:15:44,405 --> 00:15:47,319 I wanna know what she's after. 254 00:15:47,321 --> 00:15:49,945 What they might know now. 255 00:15:49,947 --> 00:15:53,820 She said she'd, uh, show me somethin' next time. 256 00:15:53,822 --> 00:15:55,861 She's baitin' ya, Dad. 257 00:15:55,863 --> 00:15:59,196 Do you think she cares at all about you or who did it? 258 00:16:01,238 --> 00:16:04,569 She just wants people to watch her shitty show. 259 00:16:04,571 --> 00:16:07,653 And I think... 260 00:16:07,655 --> 00:16:10,277 Mom would want you to move on. 261 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:13,363 Enjoy the family you have around you. 262 00:16:15,071 --> 00:16:17,486 Well... 263 00:16:17,488 --> 00:16:21,728 she and I always had different ideas. I remember that. 264 00:16:27,988 --> 00:16:30,736 Wayne. Roland. 265 00:16:30,738 --> 00:16:34,069 Special Agents Burt Diller and John Bowen. 266 00:16:34,071 --> 00:16:36,736 Thanks, Detective, we'll get these back ASAP. 267 00:16:36,738 --> 00:16:38,403 Want you to know we have no intention 268 00:16:38,405 --> 00:16:41,173 of impeding or usurping your investigation. 269 00:16:41,176 --> 00:16:43,119 This is a Task Force. 270 00:16:43,122 --> 00:16:45,569 One unit with a common goal. 271 00:16:45,571 --> 00:16:47,569 Feds are gonna take the lead with the kidnappin'. 272 00:16:47,571 --> 00:16:50,240 You two are still point on the death investigation. 273 00:16:50,243 --> 00:16:52,991 Both of which will hopefully lead to the same solution. 274 00:16:52,994 --> 00:16:54,558 Everybody shares everything. 275 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:57,194 We'll be doing debriefs first thing every mornin'. 276 00:16:57,196 --> 00:16:58,717 Everybody turns in dailies. 277 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,673 How you guys wanna go forward? 278 00:17:00,676 --> 00:17:03,370 We got a multi-state APB out on the girl. 279 00:17:03,373 --> 00:17:06,165 Checkpoints along state lines. Agents advised. 280 00:17:08,238 --> 00:17:11,822 Let us get caught up. We'll figure our next move. 281 00:17:12,825 --> 00:17:14,527 Time? 282 00:17:14,530 --> 00:17:16,653 You two have somewhere to be? 283 00:17:16,655 --> 00:17:18,947 We got a funeral to get to. 284 00:17:42,613 --> 00:17:45,945 I know we spoke on the phone, but... 285 00:17:45,947 --> 00:17:48,319 want to touch base on a couple of things. 286 00:17:48,321 --> 00:17:50,486 What's that? 287 00:17:50,488 --> 00:17:53,027 I haven't been out here since last May. 288 00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:55,277 You stayed in the boy, Will's, room, right? 289 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:57,111 Yeah. Told you I did. 290 00:17:57,113 --> 00:17:59,569 You leave a couple magazines behind? 291 00:17:59,571 --> 00:18:01,095 Under the mattress? 292 00:18:01,098 --> 00:18:04,902 Ohh, damn. Yeah, maybe I did. 293 00:18:04,905 --> 00:18:06,695 Should I, uh... 294 00:18:06,697 --> 00:18:09,486 - Never mind. - You recall anything 295 00:18:09,488 --> 00:18:11,194 from the time you spent in the house 296 00:18:11,196 --> 00:18:12,945 might be worth mentioning? 297 00:18:12,947 --> 00:18:15,653 Like you ever see anybody talkin' to the kids? 298 00:18:15,655 --> 00:18:17,945 Any adults you didn't recognize? 299 00:18:17,947 --> 00:18:22,152 Nah. Nah, can't say I recall anything like that. 300 00:18:22,154 --> 00:18:25,069 Them kids, they kept to themselves a lot. 301 00:18:25,071 --> 00:18:27,778 The house was a pretty tense place. 302 00:18:27,780 --> 00:18:31,027 You can probably tell, Lucy and Tom aren't real happy. 303 00:18:31,029 --> 00:18:32,986 Before any of this. 304 00:18:32,988 --> 00:18:36,845 Will and Julie, they play outside the house a lot? 305 00:18:36,848 --> 00:18:40,361 Yeah. I think so. I don't think they liked being around there. 306 00:18:40,363 --> 00:18:44,444 You know, Mom and Dad angry all the time. 307 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:53,528 Were you pretty close to Will and Julie? 308 00:18:53,530 --> 00:18:56,653 I don't know. We got along. 309 00:18:56,655 --> 00:18:59,695 I played with them a couple times. 310 00:18:59,697 --> 00:19:02,403 They didn't see me much before I stayed here. 311 00:19:02,405 --> 00:19:04,111 But they were good kids. 312 00:19:04,113 --> 00:19:06,321 What do you think of Tom? 313 00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:11,569 He's an all right guy. 314 00:19:11,571 --> 00:19:13,666 I feel sorry for him. 315 00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:16,085 I felt for him even before all this. 316 00:19:18,071 --> 00:19:20,069 I mean, in my opinion, 317 00:19:20,071 --> 00:19:22,738 Lucy always needed, like, a strong male. 318 00:19:25,571 --> 00:19:27,986 You stayin' in town long? 319 00:19:27,988 --> 00:19:30,236 Nah, I gotta get back to work. 320 00:19:30,238 --> 00:19:33,069 Family could probably use you around. 321 00:19:33,071 --> 00:19:34,736 I can't get the time off. 322 00:19:34,738 --> 00:19:37,736 It's not like there's a lot I can do for 'em. 323 00:19:37,738 --> 00:19:39,361 And the night of? 324 00:19:39,363 --> 00:19:42,071 Your neighbor can confirm you were at home? 325 00:19:45,655 --> 00:19:47,611 I don't know if they can or not. 326 00:19:47,613 --> 00:19:50,403 But you could check with the Starlight Bar in Springfield. 327 00:19:50,405 --> 00:19:52,986 I had a couple there after work, and then I went home 328 00:19:52,988 --> 00:19:55,277 and watched CHiPs. 329 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:57,695 You wanna search my place? 330 00:19:57,697 --> 00:19:59,470 Would that be okay? 331 00:20:00,849 --> 00:20:02,224 Sure. 332 00:20:03,612 --> 00:20:05,068 But maybe... 333 00:20:05,071 --> 00:20:07,822 you should be out there tryin' to find my niece. 334 00:20:11,238 --> 00:20:13,321 I'm gonna get back to Lucy. 335 00:20:19,446 --> 00:20:22,152 Like we said over the phone, 336 00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:26,444 we hadn't seen or talked with the kids since last Christmas. 337 00:20:26,446 --> 00:20:29,238 Nearly a year ago. 338 00:20:30,613 --> 00:20:32,152 She doesn't like us. 339 00:20:32,154 --> 00:20:33,695 That's Lucy, you mean? 340 00:20:33,697 --> 00:20:36,064 'Loise, let's don't, now. 341 00:20:36,067 --> 00:20:37,732 Why not now? 342 00:20:37,735 --> 00:20:41,193 Why not just say it? The children are lost. 343 00:20:41,196 --> 00:20:43,444 Yes, I mean Lucy. 344 00:20:43,446 --> 00:20:45,569 She runs around on Tom, you know. 345 00:20:45,571 --> 00:20:47,903 Every marriage has its own story. 346 00:20:47,905 --> 00:20:50,236 Nobody knows except the two involved. 347 00:20:50,238 --> 00:20:52,530 Bull. She was a terrible... 348 00:20:53,613 --> 00:20:55,319 You know, 349 00:20:55,321 --> 00:20:58,653 there's been some wonderin' about Julie. 350 00:20:58,655 --> 00:21:00,236 Don't. Not today. 351 00:21:00,238 --> 00:21:01,820 Tom was workin' offshore. 352 00:21:01,822 --> 00:21:04,725 Could have been weldin' in Texas when Julie was conceived. 353 00:21:04,728 --> 00:21:08,319 - Now, I've wondered... - Goddamnit!!! 354 00:21:08,321 --> 00:21:11,780 Not today, Eloise. Not today. 355 00:21:14,738 --> 00:21:17,029 Hey. 356 00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:22,363 Why don't the two of y'all get out of my house for today? 357 00:21:24,227 --> 00:21:25,894 Mom, Dad. 358 00:21:42,196 --> 00:21:44,528 Yes, I got it now. 359 00:21:44,530 --> 00:21:46,194 There's a web forum that posts 360 00:21:46,196 --> 00:21:47,736 about real-life criminal cases, 361 00:21:47,738 --> 00:21:50,528 things that are unsolved or unresolved. 362 00:21:50,530 --> 00:21:53,154 They have a whole section on the Purcell case. 363 00:21:57,530 --> 00:22:00,029 This is what people do now? 364 00:22:01,655 --> 00:22:04,403 They go in lots of directions. 365 00:22:04,405 --> 00:22:06,403 Did you know at various times since, 366 00:22:06,405 --> 00:22:08,986 large-scale pedophile rings connected to people of influence 367 00:22:08,988 --> 00:22:10,861 were uncovered in the surrounding areas? 368 00:22:10,863 --> 00:22:13,405 Do you know about the Franklin scandal? 369 00:22:14,613 --> 00:22:16,778 No. 370 00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:18,569 It's been theorized that the straw dolls 371 00:22:18,571 --> 00:22:22,403 are a sign of pedophile groups, like the crooked spiral. 372 00:22:22,412 --> 00:22:24,453 I don't think that's right. 373 00:22:28,154 --> 00:22:32,736 Can I ask, with what happened in 1990 and you leaving the force, 374 00:22:32,738 --> 00:22:34,941 did you ever feel your leads and theories 375 00:22:34,944 --> 00:22:37,025 were discounted because of your race? 376 00:22:38,196 --> 00:22:41,778 Not particularly, no. Why? 377 00:22:41,780 --> 00:22:44,861 I'm interested in the intersectionality of marginalized groups 378 00:22:44,863 --> 00:22:48,405 within authoritarian and systemic racist structures. 379 00:22:54,488 --> 00:22:57,194 Well, anyways, those... Those dolls from the scene, 380 00:22:57,196 --> 00:22:59,027 they were a significant lead. 381 00:22:59,029 --> 00:23:02,986 Amelia. She's the one helped us out with that. 382 00:23:02,988 --> 00:23:04,780 Got us that lead. 383 00:23:14,405 --> 00:23:17,986 Have you seen a doll that looks like this? 384 00:23:17,988 --> 00:23:19,945 - No. - Not you? 385 00:23:19,947 --> 00:23:22,488 Okay, well, you let me know if you do, okay? 386 00:23:36,405 --> 00:23:37,945 Mike. 387 00:23:37,947 --> 00:23:40,947 Have you seen this doll before? 388 00:23:42,196 --> 00:23:44,569 H-Halloween. 389 00:23:44,571 --> 00:23:47,986 Somebody was passing them out at trick-or-treat, 390 00:23:47,988 --> 00:23:49,154 I think. 391 00:23:50,905 --> 00:23:53,653 Julie... she got one. 392 00:23:53,655 --> 00:23:58,611 This Halloween you went trick-or-treating with her? 393 00:23:58,613 --> 00:24:02,611 We met her and her brother and... and some other kids. 394 00:24:02,613 --> 00:24:05,697 We live on the next street over. 395 00:24:09,196 --> 00:24:10,738 It's okay. 396 00:24:30,405 --> 00:24:32,027 Tom? 397 00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:34,069 Tom! 398 00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:35,550 Tom! 399 00:24:36,530 --> 00:24:38,361 Hey, what... what... 400 00:24:38,363 --> 00:24:40,236 What ya doin' back up here, brother? 401 00:24:40,238 --> 00:24:41,695 'Talkin' about? 402 00:24:41,697 --> 00:24:44,154 This is my usual shift. Four years. 403 00:24:54,397 --> 00:24:57,897 What's you're fuckin' problem? My dick showin'? 404 00:25:03,113 --> 00:25:05,027 Hey, Tom. 405 00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:08,069 You sure you wanna be back at work today? 406 00:25:08,071 --> 00:25:11,863 I been workin' full-time since I was fourteen years old. 407 00:25:13,655 --> 00:25:17,238 You want me to sit at home with this shit in my head now? 408 00:25:21,947 --> 00:25:24,820 How long you motherfuckers gonna stare at me?! 409 00:25:24,822 --> 00:25:28,444 Somebody got something to say about me?! 410 00:25:28,446 --> 00:25:30,403 My family?! 411 00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:32,236 Huh?! Somebody know somethin' I don't... 412 00:25:32,238 --> 00:25:35,236 Tom? Hi. 413 00:25:35,238 --> 00:25:38,569 We didn't plan on havin' you back this soon. 414 00:25:38,571 --> 00:25:40,820 Well, I gotta earn a livin'. 415 00:25:40,822 --> 00:25:44,486 Well, the thing is, we, uh... 416 00:25:44,488 --> 00:25:46,444 we put you on leave. 417 00:25:46,446 --> 00:25:48,027 Well, I didn't ask for that, okay? 418 00:25:48,029 --> 00:25:51,569 Now, I gotta work. You tellin' me I can't work? 419 00:25:51,571 --> 00:25:54,509 Look, with everything that's happenin', 420 00:25:54,512 --> 00:25:55,947 it's a little disruptive. 421 00:25:57,237 --> 00:25:59,777 People have other things on their mind? 422 00:25:59,780 --> 00:26:01,486 These machines? 423 00:26:01,488 --> 00:26:04,446 That's how accidents happen. You know that, Tom. 424 00:26:06,321 --> 00:26:08,822 I'm the guy nobody wants to be, huh? 425 00:26:12,530 --> 00:26:14,863 I'm the fuckin' joke, right? 426 00:26:16,029 --> 00:26:18,653 You shouldn't look at it like that. 427 00:26:18,655 --> 00:26:21,863 But you ain't comin' back to work right now, Tom. 428 00:26:26,321 --> 00:26:29,152 Well, fuck everything, anyway! 429 00:26:29,154 --> 00:26:31,861 Yeah, fuck each of ya! 430 00:26:31,863 --> 00:26:34,154 I quit! 431 00:26:39,146 --> 00:26:41,939 You remember which house was givin' these out? 432 00:26:43,780 --> 00:26:45,863 Who else got one? 433 00:26:50,313 --> 00:26:52,311 Mike... 434 00:26:52,321 --> 00:26:54,697 did you see her get the doll? 435 00:26:56,363 --> 00:26:57,986 No, ma'am. 436 00:26:57,988 --> 00:27:00,486 When did you see she had it? 437 00:27:00,488 --> 00:27:02,486 It was like at the end. 438 00:27:02,488 --> 00:27:05,027 We were all showing what we got, 439 00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:07,548 and she had the doll in her trick-or-treat bag. 440 00:27:07,551 --> 00:27:09,340 Did you stay in the neighborhood, 441 00:27:09,343 --> 00:27:11,132 or did you drive somewhere? 442 00:27:11,135 --> 00:27:13,219 We just walked. 443 00:27:15,697 --> 00:27:19,029 Thanks, Mike. You're really helpin'. 444 00:27:20,196 --> 00:27:21,436 Hey. 445 00:27:21,439 --> 00:27:23,486 What'd you go as for Halloween? 446 00:27:23,488 --> 00:27:25,444 Luke Skywalker. 447 00:27:25,446 --> 00:27:26,986 Cool, man. 448 00:27:26,988 --> 00:27:29,571 My partner, he loved that movie. 449 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,403 Say... 450 00:27:50,405 --> 00:27:52,903 were you with Julie and her brother the whole night? 451 00:27:52,905 --> 00:27:57,444 Or was there ever a time y'all went different ways? 452 00:27:57,446 --> 00:28:02,236 Yeah. They'd been to a couple houses before we met up. 453 00:28:02,238 --> 00:28:05,569 But I don't think she had the doll then. 454 00:28:05,571 --> 00:28:08,194 How 'bout the rest of the night? 455 00:28:08,196 --> 00:28:12,069 We mighta split up once or twice. 456 00:28:12,071 --> 00:28:14,986 But... not for long. 457 00:28:14,988 --> 00:28:17,444 I saw her talking to people. 458 00:28:17,446 --> 00:28:19,279 Adults, maybe. 459 00:28:20,405 --> 00:28:22,236 They were two ghosts. 460 00:28:22,238 --> 00:28:24,238 Just in big sheets. 461 00:28:26,063 --> 00:28:28,605 You don't know who the ghosts were? 462 00:28:31,321 --> 00:28:34,113 Can you show us where it was y'all went? 463 00:28:36,405 --> 00:28:37,571 Here. 464 00:29:18,821 --> 00:29:21,318 You musta had some good times. 465 00:29:21,321 --> 00:29:25,319 - When y'all meet? - Hmm... 466 00:29:25,321 --> 00:29:29,027 thirteen years back. 467 00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:31,988 We got married 'cause she was pregnant. 468 00:29:33,988 --> 00:29:36,695 How long you knew her before? 469 00:29:36,697 --> 00:29:38,571 Not long. 470 00:29:40,029 --> 00:29:43,403 Got married three months after we met. 471 00:29:43,405 --> 00:29:46,528 The Fort Smith courthouse. 472 00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:48,666 Me and Lucy, we... 473 00:29:48,669 --> 00:29:53,548 We never really knew each other, we just... well, had the kids. 474 00:29:59,780 --> 00:30:01,736 My kids. Will and... 475 00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:18,863 Are we gonna find Julie, or what? 476 00:30:20,446 --> 00:30:24,152 'Cause I can't live through this, man. 477 00:30:24,154 --> 00:30:27,279 Neither of us can. 478 00:30:30,238 --> 00:30:33,363 If we're not gonna find her, I just need to know now. 479 00:30:38,939 --> 00:30:41,937 I can't go to sleep... 480 00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:45,738 ...and I can't wake up. 481 00:30:48,738 --> 00:30:51,569 Now, you're sayin' last week, Halloween, 482 00:30:51,571 --> 00:30:52,903 girl got one of these dolls, 483 00:30:52,905 --> 00:30:55,027 and then you found two of them at the crime scene? 484 00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:57,111 It's an identifier, boss. 485 00:30:57,113 --> 00:30:58,903 So what do you want to do? 486 00:30:58,905 --> 00:31:02,820 We wondered maybe let's put it out on the TV or paper. 487 00:31:02,822 --> 00:31:05,186 Ask everybody if they seen one of those, 488 00:31:05,189 --> 00:31:07,736 or know who makes 'em around here. 489 00:31:07,738 --> 00:31:10,986 But that'd tip our hand. We're not ready for that. 490 00:31:10,989 --> 00:31:12,280 What's better... 491 00:31:12,283 --> 00:31:15,111 There's 114 households in the marked area 492 00:31:15,113 --> 00:31:16,820 and the subdivision near it. 493 00:31:16,822 --> 00:31:18,444 We do total surveillance. 494 00:31:18,446 --> 00:31:21,152 We have people searchin' every single house. 495 00:31:21,154 --> 00:31:24,277 Oh, come on. You don't have enough for one warrant, much less a hundred. 496 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,027 No warrants. Say, two days, maybe three. 497 00:31:28,029 --> 00:31:30,199 Every detective we have. 498 00:31:30,202 --> 00:31:32,366 Pull in more feds, you want. 499 00:31:32,369 --> 00:31:35,069 Everybody just knocks and asks if they can search. 500 00:31:35,071 --> 00:31:37,653 Say it'll help with the Purcell case. 501 00:31:37,655 --> 00:31:40,111 People won't like it... 502 00:31:40,113 --> 00:31:42,194 but a lot, I bet... 503 00:31:42,196 --> 00:31:44,069 a lot of people let us look around. 504 00:31:44,071 --> 00:31:46,069 We keep surveillance. 505 00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:48,236 See if somebody starts actin' hinky. 506 00:31:48,238 --> 00:31:51,163 Nobody escapes the net. Our guy panics or somethin', 507 00:31:51,166 --> 00:31:53,416 we do it fast... Without announcement. 508 00:31:53,419 --> 00:31:54,944 Even if you find anything, 509 00:31:54,947 --> 00:31:56,820 it could be problematic at trial. 510 00:31:56,822 --> 00:31:58,642 This is about the girl, not a trial. 511 00:31:59,791 --> 00:32:02,111 Something happened on Halloween, that night. 512 00:32:02,113 --> 00:32:03,903 She gets that doll. 513 00:32:03,905 --> 00:32:05,778 A week later, she and her brother are gone, 514 00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:07,695 and you got two of those things on the scene. 515 00:32:07,697 --> 00:32:10,053 Maybe the perp just brought 'em somewhere. 516 00:32:10,056 --> 00:32:12,486 You know? Maybe the dolls belonged to the girl. 517 00:32:12,488 --> 00:32:16,152 It's all maybes, man. You do the maybe that gives you a shot. 518 00:32:16,154 --> 00:32:18,119 No, it's thin. 519 00:32:18,122 --> 00:32:22,194 And our constituents here, they value privacy and property rights. 520 00:32:22,196 --> 00:32:24,361 They aren't just gonna acquiesce 521 00:32:24,363 --> 00:32:26,822 to random searches of their homes. 522 00:32:27,939 --> 00:32:29,860 There's other ways to approach it. 523 00:32:29,863 --> 00:32:32,861 If we bring in the public, it stirs up the town 524 00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:35,027 and lets our guy know what we're thinkin'. 525 00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:38,697 Maybe he takes off. Maybe he just kills her... if he hasn't already. 526 00:32:40,822 --> 00:32:43,444 We can just do it fast. 527 00:32:43,446 --> 00:32:45,863 People will get over it. 528 00:32:48,462 --> 00:32:49,695 Warren. 529 00:32:49,697 --> 00:32:51,905 Just give us some time, Roland. 530 00:33:17,905 --> 00:33:19,945 Been runnin' this sting. 531 00:33:19,947 --> 00:33:22,903 Truck stop next door. Prosts and drugs. 532 00:33:22,905 --> 00:33:25,444 I was gonna check this guy out at some point. 533 00:33:25,446 --> 00:33:28,194 He asked one of the workin' girls 534 00:33:28,196 --> 00:33:29,736 if they had any younger friends. 535 00:33:29,738 --> 00:33:32,611 And another said he asked her, too. 536 00:33:32,613 --> 00:33:36,194 Came in here lookin' for special magazines. 537 00:33:36,197 --> 00:33:38,897 Ted LaGrange. Pulled his file. 538 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:41,069 He got outta Wrightsville a while back. 539 00:33:41,071 --> 00:33:42,748 Carnal knowledge of a minor. 540 00:33:42,751 --> 00:33:45,905 Enticing a minor. Buncha shit. 541 00:33:48,238 --> 00:33:51,488 Callin' himself "Robert" somethin' now. 542 00:33:52,613 --> 00:33:54,113 Thanks, Rich. 543 00:33:55,905 --> 00:33:58,945 Man... 544 00:33:58,947 --> 00:34:01,613 you gotta come in here every day? 545 00:34:03,446 --> 00:34:05,446 Welcome to Vice. 546 00:34:15,947 --> 00:34:18,986 ? I love my man ? 547 00:34:18,988 --> 00:34:22,446 ? I'm a liar if I say I don't ? 548 00:34:25,405 --> 00:34:27,861 ? I love my man ? 549 00:34:27,863 --> 00:34:31,319 ? I'm a liar if I say I don't... ? 550 00:34:31,321 --> 00:34:34,528 I haven't seen you here before, have I? 551 00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:37,611 I'm usually at the VFW. 552 00:34:37,613 --> 00:34:40,528 ? I'm a liar if I say I won't... ? 553 00:34:40,530 --> 00:34:44,820 Want to thank you for everything you did today with the kid. 554 00:34:44,822 --> 00:34:48,736 He wasn't talkin' to us 'til you opened him up. 555 00:34:48,738 --> 00:34:51,277 Real grateful for that. 556 00:34:51,279 --> 00:34:54,653 He was broken up about it. 557 00:34:54,655 --> 00:34:57,488 I think he had a crush on Julie. 558 00:34:58,863 --> 00:35:01,653 Why'd you give me that picture? 559 00:35:01,655 --> 00:35:03,986 The doll. 560 00:35:03,988 --> 00:35:06,653 Instinct, I guess. 561 00:35:06,655 --> 00:35:09,196 I knew the kids weren't talkin' to us. 562 00:35:11,196 --> 00:35:13,196 You were in the war? 563 00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:16,695 You're a cop, 564 00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:20,444 so you want to know more about a person, you just look 'em up, huh? 565 00:35:20,446 --> 00:35:22,363 Pretty much. 566 00:35:23,363 --> 00:35:25,530 Did you look me up? 567 00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:31,822 Thought about it, though. 568 00:35:38,154 --> 00:35:40,569 I was born here. 569 00:35:40,571 --> 00:35:43,111 I went to U of A. 570 00:35:43,113 --> 00:35:46,319 Dropped out my junior year. 571 00:35:46,321 --> 00:35:48,778 Went west with a friend. 572 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:50,736 We got in with some people. 573 00:35:50,738 --> 00:35:53,238 I was in this scene, San Francisco. 574 00:35:55,071 --> 00:35:59,905 Anti-war, kind of fringe Panther stuff. 575 00:36:01,196 --> 00:36:04,403 Some things happened, not good. 576 00:36:04,405 --> 00:36:07,653 And then I was alone. 577 00:36:07,655 --> 00:36:12,071 '74, I came back home, got my degree. 578 00:36:17,196 --> 00:36:19,196 I grew up in Conway. 579 00:36:20,238 --> 00:36:22,071 My mom worked on a farm. 580 00:36:23,405 --> 00:36:26,236 I spent two years in the jungle, 581 00:36:26,238 --> 00:36:28,238 a lot of it I was alone. 582 00:36:29,947 --> 00:36:33,363 I hunt a lot now. Alone. 583 00:36:34,697 --> 00:36:37,386 I'm a vegetarian. 584 00:36:37,389 --> 00:36:39,611 That's a real shame. 585 00:36:39,613 --> 00:36:42,738 If you're a Democrat, don't tell me. 586 00:36:46,613 --> 00:36:48,488 You like teachin'? 587 00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:51,780 Sometimes. 588 00:36:52,947 --> 00:36:56,111 I want to be a writer. 589 00:36:56,113 --> 00:36:57,780 Write books. 590 00:36:59,279 --> 00:37:01,736 I don't read enough. 591 00:37:01,738 --> 00:37:04,446 I like Batman and Silver Surfer. 592 00:37:05,947 --> 00:37:10,361 I had this sorta dyslexic thing growin' up. 593 00:37:10,363 --> 00:37:12,569 Was that hard? 594 00:37:12,571 --> 00:37:14,861 They said I was dumb. 595 00:37:14,863 --> 00:37:17,863 My mom wasn't havin' any of that. 596 00:37:20,697 --> 00:37:24,319 That poem you were teachin'. I looked it up. 597 00:37:24,321 --> 00:37:27,403 - Oh, yeah? - I read it. 598 00:37:27,405 --> 00:37:30,613 I'm not ready to talk about it yet, but I have thoughts. 599 00:37:31,947 --> 00:37:34,822 - Share when you want. - All right. 600 00:37:37,154 --> 00:37:39,319 You ever been married? 601 00:37:39,321 --> 00:37:40,697 No. 602 00:37:42,405 --> 00:37:43,486 You? 603 00:37:43,488 --> 00:37:46,321 I was engaged. Seven months. 604 00:37:47,613 --> 00:37:49,236 I broke it off. 605 00:37:49,238 --> 00:37:51,611 I didn't want to be married, I realized. 606 00:37:51,613 --> 00:37:55,613 - I don't wanna get married. - No? 607 00:37:58,113 --> 00:38:01,528 Guy the other day said I must be crazy. 608 00:38:01,530 --> 00:38:07,653 Thing is, and I've thought of this for a while... 609 00:38:07,655 --> 00:38:10,528 I think I might be. 610 00:38:10,530 --> 00:38:12,363 Like how? 611 00:38:17,530 --> 00:38:20,027 I wear clip-on ties 'cause I'm preoccupied 612 00:38:20,029 --> 00:38:22,528 with this idea of getting strangled with one. 613 00:38:25,613 --> 00:38:27,530 Is that too much? 614 00:38:30,571 --> 00:38:33,194 This year, twice, 615 00:38:33,196 --> 00:38:35,194 I've been to St. Louis 616 00:38:35,196 --> 00:38:37,528 and I've stayed at this hotel, 617 00:38:37,530 --> 00:38:40,194 and I've pretended I'm someone else. 618 00:38:40,196 --> 00:38:44,820 I go out, meet new people, and I am someone else. 619 00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:49,403 Different name, different background, different job. 620 00:38:49,405 --> 00:38:50,900 Twice. 621 00:38:53,321 --> 00:38:55,447 Hmm. 622 00:38:59,238 --> 00:39:02,403 You drink too much? 623 00:39:02,405 --> 00:39:04,903 I don't know. 624 00:39:04,905 --> 00:39:07,446 I might get drunk twice a month. 625 00:39:09,029 --> 00:39:11,611 Three times. 626 00:39:11,613 --> 00:39:14,736 I like to laugh, is the thing. 627 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:19,986 Hey. Raise it up? 628 00:39:19,988 --> 00:39:24,027 Hurry. Quick. 629 00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:27,027 ...information in the Purcell murder-kidnapping, 630 00:39:27,029 --> 00:39:28,820 we go to the Washington County courthouse 631 00:39:28,823 --> 00:39:31,277 - earlier this afternoon. - Don't do it. 632 00:39:31,279 --> 00:39:33,149 We believe the missing girl, 633 00:39:33,152 --> 00:39:36,111 Julie Purcell, was contacted by her abductor 634 00:39:36,113 --> 00:39:38,839 while she participated in Halloween last week. 635 00:39:38,842 --> 00:39:41,299 We're sharing a graphic 636 00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,613 of the area where she and her brother went trick-or-treating. 637 00:39:44,616 --> 00:39:46,495 Now, our investigation suggests 638 00:39:46,498 --> 00:39:48,444 that someone who saw her on Halloween 639 00:39:48,446 --> 00:39:50,485 has special knowledge of this case. 640 00:39:50,488 --> 00:39:53,736 - Givin' it away. - Anyone who saw anything suspicious... 641 00:39:53,738 --> 00:39:56,902 - What's wrong? - I'm sorry, I... 642 00:39:56,905 --> 00:39:59,542 I gotta go. Goddamnit. 643 00:39:59,545 --> 00:40:02,194 Are you saying the children knew their kidnapper? 644 00:40:02,196 --> 00:40:06,019 I'm not at liberty to reveal that at this time. 645 00:40:09,488 --> 00:40:12,361 I knew they wouldn't listen to me. 646 00:40:12,363 --> 00:40:14,986 But you shoulda stopped that. 647 00:40:14,988 --> 00:40:18,695 Me? What am I supposed to do? 648 00:40:18,697 --> 00:40:20,319 You were there. 649 00:40:20,321 --> 00:40:23,695 I'm sayin', I talk, it don't mean anything. 650 00:40:23,697 --> 00:40:26,069 Don't matter if I'm right. 651 00:40:26,071 --> 00:40:29,069 You, at least, you talk, it means somethin' to 'em. 652 00:40:29,071 --> 00:40:30,653 Might consider what you're saying. 653 00:40:30,655 --> 00:40:32,111 You mighta stopped 'em from doing that. 654 00:40:32,113 --> 00:40:35,303 Bullshit. Who knew until it was on the TV? 655 00:40:35,306 --> 00:40:36,820 Why didn't you stop 'em? 656 00:40:36,822 --> 00:40:40,277 They ain't my tribe, man. Take care of your shit. 657 00:40:40,279 --> 00:40:43,027 Tribe? Where you think you are, asshole? 658 00:40:43,029 --> 00:40:44,814 - I know where I am. - Do ya? 659 00:40:44,817 --> 00:40:46,470 It don't sound like it. 660 00:40:46,473 --> 00:40:49,695 Son, I know where I am in a way you will never understand. 661 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:51,444 Are you high, Purple Hays? 662 00:40:51,446 --> 00:40:53,695 'Cause you're makin' about as much goddamn sense 663 00:40:53,697 --> 00:40:55,277 as my grandmother's dementia. 664 00:40:55,279 --> 00:40:56,820 No, I'm sayin' I know where I am. 665 00:40:56,822 --> 00:40:58,655 Hey, good for you. 666 00:41:26,530 --> 00:41:28,863 Was all I could think of. 667 00:41:31,405 --> 00:41:33,113 You got somethin' else? 668 00:41:35,113 --> 00:41:38,945 Vice gave me a dude near Fort Smith to look at. 669 00:41:38,947 --> 00:41:40,738 I pulled his file. 670 00:41:42,425 --> 00:41:43,759 What is it? 671 00:41:49,196 --> 00:41:51,571 You can read for yourself. 672 00:42:03,405 --> 00:42:05,571 You wanna go get him? 673 00:42:08,321 --> 00:42:10,446 I wanna go get him. 674 00:42:11,863 --> 00:42:15,152 We might as well keep watch out here. 675 00:42:15,154 --> 00:42:17,853 Check the guy out in the mornin'. 676 00:42:17,856 --> 00:42:19,690 Toss his place first. 677 00:42:27,988 --> 00:42:29,822 We should get bennies. 678 00:42:32,154 --> 00:42:34,321 Stayin' up all night. 679 00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:39,113 Glove box. Red-and-blue ones. 680 00:42:42,154 --> 00:42:44,903 Prosecutin' attorney decided... 681 00:42:44,905 --> 00:42:48,194 best thing was to take our single clue 682 00:42:48,197 --> 00:42:50,489 and spread it all over the town. 683 00:42:52,363 --> 00:42:55,861 And that got us a few hundred false tips the first coupla days. 684 00:42:55,863 --> 00:42:59,111 That's when it all started with the town. 685 00:42:59,113 --> 00:43:00,488 Just panic. 686 00:43:06,113 --> 00:43:10,196 Lived in their imaginations now, you see? 687 00:43:28,571 --> 00:43:31,152 Everybody was scared. 688 00:43:31,169 --> 00:43:33,253 That included us. 689 00:43:51,238 --> 00:43:52,488 Hi. 690 00:43:53,857 --> 00:43:55,773 Mornin'. 691 00:43:55,776 --> 00:43:59,152 ? And I'll never make you sad again ? 692 00:43:59,154 --> 00:44:02,403 ? 'Cause I swear... ? 693 00:44:02,405 --> 00:44:04,027 You gonna eat? 694 00:44:04,029 --> 00:44:07,238 ? And I'll never make you sorry... ? 695 00:44:08,105 --> 00:44:09,938 Me neither. 696 00:44:12,571 --> 00:44:15,113 We need you to come with us, sir. 697 00:44:17,571 --> 00:44:19,061 Uh, wha... what's the... 698 00:44:19,064 --> 00:44:21,736 We'll tell ya on the way. 699 00:44:21,738 --> 00:44:25,778 No! Please! 700 00:44:25,780 --> 00:44:28,569 No, it's not me, I swear to God! 701 00:44:28,571 --> 00:44:30,277 You're wrong about this. 702 00:44:30,279 --> 00:44:32,403 You shouldn't have brought me here. 703 00:44:32,405 --> 00:44:34,736 This get you off, mister, huh? 704 00:44:34,738 --> 00:44:37,613 You entertain fantasies of strappin' white men to posts? 705 00:44:39,154 --> 00:44:41,571 - Now and then, yeah. - Really? 706 00:44:42,696 --> 00:44:44,819 Uhh! 707 00:44:44,822 --> 00:44:46,820 Talk about your fantasies. 708 00:44:46,822 --> 00:44:48,564 Then he'll tell ya his. 709 00:44:48,567 --> 00:44:51,360 Theodore LaGrange. 710 00:44:51,363 --> 00:44:53,611 It's Ted, yeah? 711 00:44:53,613 --> 00:44:55,822 Ted, you been out a bit over two years. 712 00:44:55,825 --> 00:44:59,094 I know what you're doing, and I haven't done anything. 713 00:44:59,097 --> 00:45:00,803 Released from Wrightsville. 714 00:45:00,806 --> 00:45:03,444 You got Little Rock up the road. 715 00:45:03,446 --> 00:45:05,947 Why'd you come way out here, Ted? 716 00:45:07,655 --> 00:45:10,444 And why you callin' yourself Robert Hebert? 717 00:45:10,446 --> 00:45:13,236 I-I wanted a new start. 718 00:45:13,238 --> 00:45:15,947 They keep you in protective custody in Wrightsville? 719 00:45:17,438 --> 00:45:19,355 Hmm. Figured. 720 00:45:20,530 --> 00:45:22,861 Guys who mess with kids, 721 00:45:22,863 --> 00:45:25,611 they don't usually make it out with all their parts. 722 00:45:25,613 --> 00:45:27,695 Tell me how you mess with kids. 723 00:45:27,697 --> 00:45:29,653 The boy and the girl. 724 00:45:29,655 --> 00:45:32,486 Your landlady said you didn't come home last Friday night. 725 00:45:32,489 --> 00:45:33,962 - What? - The 7th. 726 00:45:33,965 --> 00:45:37,126 That's not... I was out. I-I was just out. 727 00:45:37,129 --> 00:45:39,960 Help me understand what it was like for you in the moment. 728 00:45:39,963 --> 00:45:42,611 Let me feel your side of it. Okay? 729 00:45:42,613 --> 00:45:45,027 Tell me why you killed the boy. 730 00:45:45,029 --> 00:45:48,528 I didn't! I never seen him before he was on the news. 731 00:45:52,905 --> 00:45:55,655 You'll wanna explain to me where you were that night. 732 00:45:57,697 --> 00:46:01,653 Help me see your side of things. 733 00:46:01,655 --> 00:46:04,361 What'd you do on Halloween night? Where were you? 734 00:46:08,071 --> 00:46:10,403 Well... 735 00:46:10,405 --> 00:46:13,820 we're here to listen when you want to share. 736 00:46:13,822 --> 00:46:17,611 Aaaaah! 737 00:46:39,486 --> 00:46:40,695 Yes. 738 00:46:40,697 --> 00:46:42,569 He's here Mondays and Fridays. 739 00:46:42,571 --> 00:46:45,111 We do storytime twice a week in the evenin's, 740 00:46:45,113 --> 00:46:46,695 and he plays guitar for it. 741 00:46:46,697 --> 00:46:50,361 But his name's Robert Hebert, not what you said. 742 00:46:50,363 --> 00:46:52,528 And he worked on the 7th? Last Friday? 743 00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:53,778 Yes. Mm-hmm. 744 00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:55,653 You know what time he left that night? 745 00:46:55,655 --> 00:46:57,695 Probably about 8:00 or after. 746 00:46:57,697 --> 00:47:01,277 He helped us put up the tables and chairs. 747 00:47:01,279 --> 00:47:02,861 Did he do something? 748 00:47:02,863 --> 00:47:06,071 You're not gonna see this guy anymore. 749 00:47:07,537 --> 00:47:09,537 If you do, give us a call, okay? 750 00:47:15,279 --> 00:47:17,486 Robbery was a coupla months ago. 751 00:47:17,488 --> 00:47:20,569 All I know for sure is that her prints showed up. 752 00:47:20,571 --> 00:47:22,444 It's like you said... 753 00:47:22,446 --> 00:47:24,695 They don't know if she was a customer 754 00:47:24,697 --> 00:47:26,653 or part of the break-in. 755 00:47:26,655 --> 00:47:28,986 Was it a partial or a full? 756 00:47:28,988 --> 00:47:30,238 Full. 757 00:47:31,405 --> 00:47:32,780 It was her. 758 00:47:34,947 --> 00:47:36,595 They had video surveillance? 759 00:47:36,598 --> 00:47:38,861 They smashed the camera in the pharmacy. 760 00:47:38,863 --> 00:47:41,236 Store's got footage goin' back three days prior. 761 00:47:41,238 --> 00:47:43,986 We subpoenaed it, but we have to wait. 762 00:47:43,988 --> 00:47:46,611 Somebody watchin' the store in case she comes back? 763 00:47:46,613 --> 00:47:50,277 My understandin', Sallisaw PD's focused on the robbery. 764 00:47:50,279 --> 00:47:52,289 And I wouldn't say the locals are a 765 00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:55,360 crackerjack investigative team or anything. 766 00:47:55,363 --> 00:47:57,027 So nothin'. 767 00:47:57,029 --> 00:47:59,069 Man's family didn't have the resources 768 00:47:59,071 --> 00:48:00,446 for an investigator... 769 00:48:01,780 --> 00:48:04,321 but obviously, we'd like to find her. 770 00:48:10,530 --> 00:48:13,736 What about Arkansas PD? They lookin' for her? 771 00:48:13,738 --> 00:48:15,603 There's nobody on the case yet. 772 00:48:15,606 --> 00:48:17,548 Kindt's office will have to look at it 773 00:48:17,551 --> 00:48:19,902 since they'll be defending our motion to overturn, 774 00:48:19,905 --> 00:48:22,403 but right now, no. 775 00:48:22,405 --> 00:48:24,611 I don't think so. 776 00:48:24,613 --> 00:48:27,655 You all right goin' up against your old boss? 777 00:48:29,196 --> 00:48:31,154 It's overdue. 778 00:48:43,738 --> 00:48:45,152 Talk to Roland? 779 00:48:45,154 --> 00:48:47,363 We have an appointment. 780 00:48:48,655 --> 00:48:50,613 He's done well. 781 00:48:52,154 --> 00:48:53,655 He has. 782 00:49:13,862 --> 00:49:15,985 You wanna execute him? 783 00:49:15,988 --> 00:49:18,695 We can bury him right out here, I don't give a shit. 784 00:49:18,697 --> 00:49:22,486 Throw him off a bridge... Nobody'll care. 785 00:49:22,488 --> 00:49:25,986 Put him in holding, get his parole violated. 786 00:49:25,988 --> 00:49:27,903 He'll be back in Wrightsville tomorrow. 787 00:49:27,905 --> 00:49:31,736 - Full sentence. - If you say so. 788 00:49:31,738 --> 00:49:33,611 Talk shit about us... 789 00:49:33,613 --> 00:49:36,611 I'll have monstrous niggers fuck him to death in his cell. 790 00:49:37,865 --> 00:49:41,144 D'you hear me, boy? You will bleed black cock. 791 00:49:45,988 --> 00:49:49,738 Gotta catch up, man. Just spent the day on this bullshit. 792 00:49:55,105 --> 00:49:59,269 That was a vivid description of prison rape. Jesus. 793 00:49:59,279 --> 00:50:01,403 Could tell he had the racial thing. 794 00:50:01,405 --> 00:50:03,444 Remember what he said in the barn? 795 00:50:03,446 --> 00:50:06,238 Still... it's gonna haunt me. 796 00:50:10,905 --> 00:50:13,446 D-12, do you copy? 797 00:50:17,238 --> 00:50:19,027 Copy, dispatch. 798 00:50:19,029 --> 00:50:22,029 Lieutenant Twiggs wants y'all at the Purcell place. 799 00:50:23,988 --> 00:50:25,403 What's up? 800 00:50:25,405 --> 00:50:27,947 Someone said the family got a note. 801 00:50:31,863 --> 00:50:34,113 Copy. On the way. 802 00:50:50,905 --> 00:50:52,988 - Hey, Dad. - Hi. 803 00:51:10,321 --> 00:51:12,733 _ 804 00:51:16,186 --> 00:51:18,152 Hey. Hey! 805 00:51:18,154 --> 00:51:20,611 Did you see? They sent me the galleys. 806 00:51:20,613 --> 00:51:21,988 That's great. 807 00:51:23,488 --> 00:51:25,822 You got a little loose after work? 808 00:51:27,238 --> 00:51:29,123 How was the deposition? 809 00:51:29,126 --> 00:51:30,418 It was fine. 810 00:51:39,454 --> 00:51:41,830 It's as much about us as anything. 811 00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:47,027 And I think her and me, it was as close 812 00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:49,863 as she could give the thing a happy ending. 813 00:51:52,238 --> 00:51:54,361 After the events of 1990, 814 00:51:54,363 --> 00:51:57,736 and what happened with Julie and her father, 815 00:51:57,738 --> 00:52:00,069 you left the PD. 816 00:52:00,071 --> 00:52:02,861 Did you believe that concluded the case? 817 00:52:02,863 --> 00:52:06,820 Did you feel the investigation ended too abruptly? 818 00:52:06,830 --> 00:52:10,037 She wrote six novels after. This was her first. 819 00:52:11,279 --> 00:52:15,194 Uh, very... to a cop, 820 00:52:15,196 --> 00:52:17,945 very impressive eye for detail. 821 00:52:17,947 --> 00:52:19,611 Have you read it? 822 00:52:19,613 --> 00:52:22,717 Mr. Hays, did you have theories after what happened 823 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,162 with Julie Purcell and her father in '90? 824 00:52:25,165 --> 00:52:26,803 Theories that weren't in line 825 00:52:26,806 --> 00:52:28,387 with your superior's directives? 826 00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:30,485 I heard what you asked. 827 00:52:30,488 --> 00:52:33,695 The answer is... 828 00:52:33,697 --> 00:52:37,279 I never stopped coming up with theories about that case. 829 00:52:38,405 --> 00:52:40,695 And I hit Todd and Dave into home, 830 00:52:40,697 --> 00:52:42,655 and when I went over, we won. 831 00:52:42,658 --> 00:52:45,151 Coach saw, and came and talked to me about baseball 832 00:52:45,154 --> 00:52:46,947 when I get older. 833 00:52:50,947 --> 00:52:53,542 - That's fantastic, Henry. - Mm-hmm. 834 00:52:53,545 --> 00:52:55,240 You're gonna be very athletic. 835 00:52:55,243 --> 00:52:56,407 You already are. 836 00:53:09,988 --> 00:53:12,903 The publisher said we can issue an update for the paperback 837 00:53:12,905 --> 00:53:15,528 once this appeal goes to trial. 838 00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:16,905 Yeah? 839 00:53:21,154 --> 00:53:24,152 You're a bit out of it tonight. 840 00:53:24,154 --> 00:53:25,611 The kids noticed. 841 00:53:25,613 --> 00:53:28,238 You can't be that way in front of them. 842 00:53:29,613 --> 00:53:31,905 - I'm not drunk. - What's going on? 843 00:53:33,688 --> 00:53:35,979 What happened with the deposition? 844 00:53:37,446 --> 00:53:39,905 They overturning the conviction? 845 00:53:43,113 --> 00:53:45,446 Julie Purcell is alive. 846 00:53:58,154 --> 00:54:01,319 Thought for sure you'd all beat us here. 847 00:54:01,321 --> 00:54:03,486 What is that, huh? 848 00:54:03,488 --> 00:54:04,986 What's that mean? 849 00:54:10,168 --> 00:54:17,545 _ 850 00:54:20,081 --> 00:54:22,413 Well, what's it mean? 851 00:54:22,416 --> 00:54:24,165 Hmm? 852 00:54:35,988 --> 00:54:39,029 You want more chicken, Wayne? 853 00:54:44,655 --> 00:54:46,861 Thanks for the spread, Heather. 854 00:54:46,863 --> 00:54:48,778 This is wonderful. 855 00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:50,736 Are you feelin' all right? 856 00:54:50,738 --> 00:54:52,277 Uh... 857 00:54:52,279 --> 00:54:54,365 He's been goin' back through that case. 858 00:54:54,368 --> 00:54:55,618 Mom's book. 859 00:54:57,196 --> 00:54:59,695 I never read the whole thing. 860 00:54:59,697 --> 00:55:02,530 Couldn't stand I was in it so much. 861 00:55:04,613 --> 00:55:06,861 Goin' back over the story, it's good... 862 00:55:06,863 --> 00:55:09,361 Makin' me work my brain, I mean. 863 00:55:09,363 --> 00:55:11,405 Leadin' me to other stuff. 864 00:55:15,488 --> 00:55:18,903 Maybe you guys could see about gettin' Rebecca out here. 865 00:55:18,905 --> 00:55:21,071 I'd like to see her. 866 00:55:23,571 --> 00:55:25,736 She's in L.A., Dad. 867 00:55:25,738 --> 00:55:27,903 When did that happen? 868 00:55:27,906 --> 00:55:30,045 What's she doin' out there? 869 00:55:30,915 --> 00:55:33,082 She's playin' music, Wayne. 870 00:55:36,947 --> 00:55:38,569 She okay? You talk to her? 871 00:55:38,571 --> 00:55:41,071 I talked to her a few weeks ago. 872 00:55:43,196 --> 00:55:45,444 Think she'd come back home for a visit? 873 00:55:45,446 --> 00:55:48,444 She don't like it here, Dad. 874 00:55:48,446 --> 00:55:50,053 Why not? 875 00:55:51,822 --> 00:55:53,820 I just don't think it suits her. 876 00:55:53,822 --> 00:55:56,778 - She never liked it. - She didn't? 877 00:55:56,780 --> 00:55:59,778 Hey! 878 00:55:59,780 --> 00:56:02,152 One more time, okay? 879 00:56:03,905 --> 00:56:06,027 Shh. Eat. 880 00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:09,655 It's goin' by pretty quick. 881 00:56:11,446 --> 00:56:13,446 Don't I know it. 882 00:56:16,947 --> 00:56:20,403 Maybe you guys could see about gettin' Rebecca out here. 883 00:56:20,405 --> 00:56:22,446 I'd like to see her. 884 00:57:32,302 --> 00:57:37,178 - Synced and corrected by VitoSilans - -- www.Addic7ed.com --