1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,040 This programme contains some strong language 2 00:00:11,990 --> 00:00:13,620 Who pays your bills? 3 00:00:14,390 --> 00:00:15,749 Nice try. 4 00:00:15,750 --> 00:00:18,950 By the way, this phone... 5 00:00:20,670 --> 00:00:21,900 ...it's bugged. 6 00:00:22,670 --> 00:00:23,749 By you? 7 00:00:23,750 --> 00:00:25,700 Would I tell you if it was? 8 00:00:27,670 --> 00:00:29,590 Take care, Ms Ashby. 9 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,600 _ 10 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,354 _ 11 00:00:56,379 --> 00:00:57,790 Where am I? 12 00:02:02,171 --> 00:02:10,186 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 13 00:02:33,969 --> 00:02:35,129 Sorry. 14 00:02:36,830 --> 00:02:38,510 I was, er, in a meeting. 15 00:02:41,670 --> 00:02:43,030 Phone was switched off. 16 00:02:45,070 --> 00:02:46,909 You OK? 17 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:48,620 Yeah, you know. 18 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:53,990 I didn't expect you to still be here. 19 00:02:54,910 --> 00:02:56,380 Ah, well. 20 00:02:57,350 --> 00:03:00,269 Those are my absolute favourite. 21 00:03:00,270 --> 00:03:01,949 Any excuse, huh? 22 00:03:01,950 --> 00:03:03,620 In the country, I mean. 23 00:03:08,190 --> 00:03:10,790 I have some things to clear up first. 24 00:03:11,038 --> 00:03:12,158 Such as? 25 00:03:13,958 --> 00:03:15,198 You want to order? 26 00:03:16,318 --> 00:03:18,838 I'm not sure any of this is to my taste. 27 00:03:21,878 --> 00:03:24,157 You have not looked at it. 28 00:03:24,158 --> 00:03:27,518 You were set to go back immediately after your triumph in Paris. 29 00:03:28,758 --> 00:03:30,237 Yes, I was. 30 00:03:30,238 --> 00:03:32,917 But then suddenly Patrice Ganimana arrived here 31 00:03:32,918 --> 00:03:35,158 and you decided to stay. Why was that? 32 00:03:40,118 --> 00:03:45,038 Something tells me you already have an opinion on that. 33 00:03:46,198 --> 00:03:48,918 Tell me about Bibi Mundanzi. 34 00:03:50,718 --> 00:03:52,437 What do you want to know? 35 00:03:52,438 --> 00:03:54,557 You were brought up together? 36 00:03:54,558 --> 00:03:57,597 Yes. My family adopted her. 37 00:03:57,598 --> 00:03:59,998 So, like a sister? 38 00:04:01,438 --> 00:04:03,238 Like that. 39 00:04:04,138 --> 00:04:08,260 And now you want to bring her down your sister? 40 00:04:09,358 --> 00:04:10,330 Ah. 41 00:04:10,355 --> 00:04:13,324 And you're waiting for the perfect moment to do it. 42 00:04:14,238 --> 00:04:15,919 You had one in France, but this one, 43 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,438 this looks even better, doesn't it? 44 00:04:22,398 --> 00:04:24,598 At least you're not trying to tell me I'm wrong. 45 00:04:27,158 --> 00:04:30,037 I am not trying to bring her down. 46 00:04:30,038 --> 00:04:31,078 Then what? 47 00:04:32,398 --> 00:04:33,558 I just... 48 00:04:34,798 --> 00:04:37,837 ...I want her to make an adjustment. 49 00:04:37,838 --> 00:04:39,198 To what? 50 00:04:40,491 --> 00:04:42,451 Our constitution. 51 00:04:42,940 --> 00:04:45,838 To stop her running again? Too late. 52 00:04:47,598 --> 00:04:50,197 To ensure others can run against her. 53 00:04:50,198 --> 00:04:51,740 They can already. 54 00:04:52,558 --> 00:04:56,158 No, Kate, they cannot, not really. 55 00:04:58,318 --> 00:04:59,958 So how are you going to do it? 56 00:05:02,064 --> 00:05:03,344 Hmm! 57 00:05:08,078 --> 00:05:11,598 Erm... pick my moment... 58 00:05:12,758 --> 00:05:14,517 ...very carefully. 59 00:05:14,518 --> 00:05:16,197 And Michael's helping you to do this? 60 00:05:16,198 --> 00:05:19,597 You are going to have to ask him about that. 61 00:05:19,598 --> 00:05:22,620 I have. He keeps telling me to wait. 62 00:05:24,045 --> 00:05:27,005 But I've started to figure it all out by myself. 63 00:05:27,118 --> 00:05:30,198 You want the Ganimana extradition to fail. 64 00:05:32,278 --> 00:05:34,797 It has nothing to do with him, not really. 65 00:05:34,798 --> 00:05:36,300 Oh, I think so. 66 00:05:36,878 --> 00:05:39,757 You are waiting for your sister to look weak 67 00:05:39,758 --> 00:05:43,277 on the same international stage on which you just looked so strong. 68 00:05:43,278 --> 00:05:44,504 That's your moment, isn't it? 69 00:05:44,505 --> 00:05:45,737 Oh... 70 00:05:45,738 --> 00:05:50,517 It is only... a part of it. 71 00:05:50,518 --> 00:05:52,038 But it's a part. 72 00:05:57,125 --> 00:05:58,300 You don't... 73 00:05:59,158 --> 00:06:00,997 ...you don't look too good right now, though. 74 00:06:00,998 --> 00:06:03,380 No, I, erm... 75 00:06:04,038 --> 00:06:06,077 - ...I don't... - Did Michael put you up to this? 76 00:06:06,078 --> 00:06:08,117 - Hmm? - Get you to confess. 77 00:06:08,118 --> 00:06:09,637 No. 78 00:06:09,638 --> 00:06:11,517 So why did you call me? 79 00:06:11,518 --> 00:06:12,558 I did not. 80 00:06:13,572 --> 00:06:15,292 You sent me a text. 81 00:06:15,317 --> 00:06:17,157 Only to say that you were late. 82 00:06:29,964 --> 00:06:32,524 - Do... do not eat it. - What? 83 00:06:32,758 --> 00:06:35,197 Don't eat what? Did you eat anything? 84 00:06:35,198 --> 00:06:37,317 - No! - What did you ea...? 85 00:06:37,318 --> 00:06:39,318 Nothing! 86 00:06:55,158 --> 00:06:56,717 Yes! 87 00:06:56,718 --> 00:06:58,477 Hello? 88 00:06:58,478 --> 00:07:00,478 Hello? Hello! 89 00:07:30,038 --> 00:07:32,558 Call an ambulance. Now! 90 00:07:40,838 --> 00:07:43,198 So, so, so... 91 00:07:45,238 --> 00:07:46,958 C'est magnifique! 92 00:07:48,998 --> 00:07:50,078 Isn't it? 93 00:07:57,758 --> 00:07:59,478 Surprisingly, it's pretty good. 94 00:08:01,505 --> 00:08:02,545 How is she? 95 00:08:03,684 --> 00:08:06,164 Ripped out the lining of her stomach. 96 00:08:07,345 --> 00:08:10,545 - You're sure you didn't...? - No... Michael. 97 00:08:14,284 --> 00:08:16,924 - Why were you so late? - I was with... 98 00:08:18,085 --> 00:08:19,205 ...I was with a friend. 99 00:08:20,745 --> 00:08:21,785 Who? 100 00:08:22,958 --> 00:08:26,398 You think President Mundanzi runs a one-party state. 101 00:08:29,278 --> 00:08:31,117 De... de facto, yeah. 102 00:08:31,118 --> 00:08:33,638 So how the hell do you think you're going to change their constitution? 103 00:08:37,891 --> 00:08:39,251 Alice told you. 104 00:08:40,285 --> 00:08:42,380 You didn't tell me you two were lovers. 105 00:08:43,198 --> 00:08:44,477 A long time ago, yeah. 106 00:08:44,478 --> 00:08:46,838 - Don't lie to me, Michael... - I'm not. 107 00:08:47,798 --> 00:08:50,238 ...ever again. 108 00:08:51,824 --> 00:08:53,184 Oh, keep it. 109 00:08:53,209 --> 00:08:54,860 I have copies. 110 00:08:58,838 --> 00:08:59,878 Kate! 111 00:09:07,198 --> 00:09:08,397 Mr Viner? 112 00:09:08,398 --> 00:09:09,957 This is Kate Ashby. 113 00:09:09,958 --> 00:09:12,837 I am so sorry I didn't manage to get out to you last night. 114 00:09:12,838 --> 00:09:15,637 I was... unavoidably detained. 115 00:09:15,638 --> 00:09:20,078 But if it's OK, I could come now. I'd really like to see that file. 116 00:09:21,358 --> 00:09:22,718 Thank you. 117 00:09:32,198 --> 00:09:33,878 - The other one first. - Hm? 118 00:09:35,224 --> 00:09:36,824 That one first! 119 00:09:43,038 --> 00:09:45,998 Hm! It's not exactly Fort Knox. 120 00:09:47,104 --> 00:09:49,104 And what if there was a fire? 121 00:09:49,129 --> 00:09:50,689 There wasn't. 122 00:09:51,838 --> 00:09:53,517 These are people's lives. 123 00:09:54,537 --> 00:09:57,957 You know, the older you get, 124 00:09:57,958 --> 00:10:00,197 the more you realise... 125 00:10:00,198 --> 00:10:02,118 ...no-one gives a shit. 126 00:10:05,231 --> 00:10:08,940 There. 2... D. 127 00:10:30,051 --> 00:10:31,651 They're optimistic? 128 00:10:31,676 --> 00:10:32,860 Yes. 129 00:10:34,358 --> 00:10:35,998 Colostomy bag! 130 00:10:36,998 --> 00:10:39,917 Kind of takes the strain out of things, wouldn't you say? 131 00:10:39,918 --> 00:10:42,598 And guilt-free use of the disability loo. 132 00:10:43,758 --> 00:10:46,700 Except if it was the three of us, we'd have to stand in line. 133 00:10:47,303 --> 00:10:48,383 You not good? 134 00:10:50,978 --> 00:10:52,940 They're not too happy with my ovaries. 135 00:10:53,518 --> 00:10:57,038 Me neither. Got me a 30-year-old still living at home. 136 00:10:58,011 --> 00:10:59,411 You don't have kids, Eunice. 137 00:11:01,758 --> 00:11:05,558 Two things, never let the truth get in the way of a good gag, 138 00:11:06,268 --> 00:11:08,678 and yet another reason to hate my ovaries. 139 00:11:13,398 --> 00:11:14,638 You're right. 140 00:11:18,558 --> 00:11:19,958 About Kate. 141 00:11:21,718 --> 00:11:23,020 Let her go to Rwanda. 142 00:11:23,365 --> 00:11:26,085 It'll raise her profile over there and that's what we need. 143 00:11:27,892 --> 00:11:29,020 Good. 144 00:11:29,878 --> 00:11:31,878 But she can't be out there alone. 145 00:11:33,012 --> 00:11:34,812 She won't want to go with me. 146 00:11:35,878 --> 00:11:37,278 She doesn't need you, Mikey. 147 00:11:37,820 --> 00:11:39,478 I've got someone else. 148 00:11:41,758 --> 00:11:43,260 He's been with her for a while. 149 00:11:53,198 --> 00:11:54,518 Shit. 150 00:12:04,158 --> 00:12:05,278 Pick her up. 151 00:12:09,998 --> 00:12:11,758 And you're sure that's everything? 152 00:12:11,783 --> 00:12:14,823 No, those are just the headlines. 153 00:12:14,848 --> 00:12:16,648 The bulk of the files will be 154 00:12:16,673 --> 00:12:19,593 - where those headlines say they are. - Hm. 155 00:12:19,638 --> 00:12:21,957 - In the UK? - No, no. 156 00:12:21,958 --> 00:12:24,077 Your mother did it for the ICTR, 157 00:12:24,078 --> 00:12:27,038 so I guess they'll be in Arusha. 158 00:12:28,652 --> 00:12:31,132 Tanzania. 159 00:12:31,157 --> 00:12:32,877 That's where the trials were held. 160 00:12:33,238 --> 00:12:36,677 There's no guarantee they won't have been destroyed either. 161 00:12:36,678 --> 00:12:39,269 The case never made it to an indictment. 162 00:12:39,270 --> 00:12:40,788 Why was that? 163 00:12:40,789 --> 00:12:42,788 Good question. 164 00:12:42,789 --> 00:12:44,908 Which only your mother could answer. 165 00:12:46,549 --> 00:12:48,220 You'll need to sign for it. 166 00:12:49,149 --> 00:12:51,349 Strict protocol. 167 00:13:11,949 --> 00:13:13,988 I liked your mother. 168 00:13:13,989 --> 00:13:15,589 She was strong. 169 00:13:15,895 --> 00:13:17,615 Too strong, maybe. 170 00:13:18,869 --> 00:13:20,260 Why? 171 00:13:20,789 --> 00:13:26,428 Well, storms come, weeds bend, oaks fall. 172 00:13:26,429 --> 00:13:28,309 Bit of country lore there, ol' timer? 173 00:13:29,629 --> 00:13:32,228 Whatever it is, young lady, 174 00:13:32,229 --> 00:13:34,700 I'm guessing it's what killed your mother. 175 00:13:35,389 --> 00:13:38,229 You just be sure it doesn't do the same to you. 176 00:13:49,229 --> 00:13:50,669 Are you expecting someone? 177 00:13:51,669 --> 00:13:53,428 Milkman. 178 00:13:53,429 --> 00:13:54,669 Too fast for a milkman. 179 00:13:55,949 --> 00:13:57,908 Do you have another way out? 180 00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:11,229 Hi. 181 00:14:13,109 --> 00:14:14,549 Kate Ashby. 182 00:14:16,256 --> 00:14:17,416 Can I speak with her? 183 00:14:19,629 --> 00:14:20,989 Not here. 184 00:14:22,029 --> 00:14:24,349 It's one way in and one way out. 185 00:14:35,789 --> 00:14:37,709 If you give me no choice. 186 00:14:44,789 --> 00:14:47,620 We just going to stand here all day till you fall over? 187 00:14:48,589 --> 00:14:50,229 No need. 188 00:14:59,389 --> 00:15:00,549 Shit! 189 00:16:55,549 --> 00:16:57,829 Yes! Yes! 190 00:17:28,349 --> 00:17:30,868 Agh! Agh! 191 00:17:30,869 --> 00:17:32,268 Fuck! 192 00:17:32,269 --> 00:17:34,229 Shit! Shit! 193 00:17:37,389 --> 00:17:38,589 Fuck! 194 00:18:03,789 --> 00:18:05,868 - Why didn't you pick up the phone? - You bugged it. 195 00:18:05,869 --> 00:18:07,504 - What? - When you put your number in my phone, 196 00:18:07,529 --> 00:18:08,788 - you bugged it. - No! 197 00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:10,389 How else did you know I was here? 198 00:18:11,389 --> 00:18:12,428 Because I knew you would not call. 199 00:18:12,429 --> 00:18:14,668 So why are you wondering why I didn't answer? 200 00:18:14,669 --> 00:18:17,388 - Cos I could've killed him! - Yes! Yes, you could! 201 00:18:17,389 --> 00:18:19,388 You saw him first. 202 00:18:19,389 --> 00:18:20,668 - Huh?! - So? 203 00:18:20,669 --> 00:18:22,509 So why didn't you pick up the phone?! 204 00:18:23,509 --> 00:18:26,628 How...? How can I begin to even get the logic of that?! 205 00:18:26,629 --> 00:18:29,388 - Excuse me... - No! No! Not now! 206 00:18:29,389 --> 00:18:31,228 You are lucky to be alive! 207 00:18:31,229 --> 00:18:32,468 Where are you going? 208 00:18:32,469 --> 00:18:34,268 Oh, that's right, now you haven't got a phone to follow. 209 00:18:34,269 --> 00:18:35,588 I am trying to help you! 210 00:18:35,589 --> 00:18:37,068 Oh? Really? 211 00:18:37,069 --> 00:18:39,909 By flattening Lance Armstrong here? Thank you for that! 212 00:18:40,949 --> 00:18:42,588 What's in the box? 213 00:18:42,589 --> 00:18:44,149 You wish. 214 00:18:45,229 --> 00:18:46,709 He tell you where to take it? 215 00:18:47,709 --> 00:18:48,860 Who? 216 00:18:49,509 --> 00:18:51,629 David Runihura. 217 00:18:55,749 --> 00:18:56,989 Who do you work for? 218 00:18:59,829 --> 00:19:00,908 You. 219 00:19:00,909 --> 00:19:03,588 No. Eunice Clayton. 220 00:19:03,589 --> 00:19:05,029 - Eunice? - Mm. 221 00:19:07,069 --> 00:19:08,828 You work for the Americans? 222 00:19:08,829 --> 00:19:10,948 I work for Eunice, who happens to be one. 223 00:19:10,949 --> 00:19:13,228 And an Assistant Secretary, State Department. 224 00:19:13,229 --> 00:19:15,629 I do not work for them, just her. 225 00:19:16,869 --> 00:19:18,068 You knew about this? 226 00:19:18,069 --> 00:19:19,308 Just today. 227 00:19:19,309 --> 00:19:20,540 Why'd she want it? 228 00:19:21,429 --> 00:19:22,748 Well, after what happened to Alice. 229 00:19:22,749 --> 00:19:24,628 No, he'd been on me long before that. 230 00:19:24,629 --> 00:19:26,189 Since your mother got killed. 231 00:19:28,709 --> 00:19:31,628 You gave me that priest, his photo, 232 00:19:31,629 --> 00:19:33,188 in the catacombs. 233 00:19:33,189 --> 00:19:34,428 Did Eunice know about that? 234 00:19:34,429 --> 00:19:35,749 Yeah. 235 00:19:37,869 --> 00:19:39,628 - Did you? - No. 236 00:19:39,629 --> 00:19:43,948 Right, so we've both been screwed over. How does that make you feel?! 237 00:19:43,949 --> 00:19:45,900 Beginning to get used to it. 238 00:19:46,669 --> 00:19:48,109 Some of the things... 239 00:19:49,149 --> 00:19:52,188 - ...I do, methods I use, are... - Illegal. 240 00:19:52,189 --> 00:19:53,228 Tell me about it! 241 00:19:53,229 --> 00:19:54,588 Well, that's the thing, Eunice didn't want to. 242 00:19:54,589 --> 00:19:56,588 What's it to do with her? 243 00:19:56,589 --> 00:19:58,588 You know that photo that Alice gave you? 244 00:19:58,589 --> 00:20:02,308 Of her and Eve and me and Ed from all those years ago? 245 00:20:02,309 --> 00:20:04,140 Eunice took it. 246 00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:07,789 She and Ed worked at the same NGO. 247 00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:11,788 Oh. 248 00:20:11,789 --> 00:20:13,588 She wants to keep you safe. 249 00:20:13,589 --> 00:20:16,428 Not me, Alice Munezero. 250 00:20:16,429 --> 00:20:18,508 - Both. - Bullshit! 251 00:20:18,509 --> 00:20:20,588 Your employer is backing Alice Munezero 252 00:20:20,589 --> 00:20:22,189 to topple a sitting president! 253 00:20:24,189 --> 00:20:25,509 Give us a minute. 254 00:20:36,389 --> 00:20:39,468 - I know how this looks. - Yeah, me too. 255 00:20:39,469 --> 00:20:42,188 You lot go to secret meetings with your trouser legs rolled up. 256 00:20:42,189 --> 00:20:44,148 Alice isn't looking to topple Mundanzi. 257 00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:45,880 Just to change the constitution. 258 00:20:45,905 --> 00:20:48,188 Yes, I know, we've had this conversation. 259 00:20:48,213 --> 00:20:51,628 The only way she can do that is to make Mundanzi look weak. 260 00:20:51,629 --> 00:20:54,548 And the best way to make her look weak is to make sure 261 00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:57,068 Patrice Ganimana is not extradited. 262 00:20:57,069 --> 00:20:58,428 No. 263 00:20:58,429 --> 00:21:02,148 So why didn't you give Runihura that file? 264 00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:04,189 - It was a mistake. - How many more? 265 00:21:05,549 --> 00:21:07,428 Fingers of my left hand, 266 00:21:07,429 --> 00:21:09,349 not including the thumb, it stops there. 267 00:21:13,169 --> 00:21:15,009 You should go to Rwanda. 268 00:21:16,829 --> 00:21:19,228 What, just to prove you right? 269 00:21:19,229 --> 00:21:20,280 Well, like I said, 270 00:21:20,305 --> 00:21:23,228 I'm not sure the Rwandan judiciary has the capability 271 00:21:23,229 --> 00:21:24,456 of trying a case like this, 272 00:21:24,457 --> 00:21:28,628 but if they do, Ganimana should be extradited, 273 00:21:28,629 --> 00:21:30,269 and I want to help. 274 00:21:33,035 --> 00:21:34,315 Why? 275 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:35,900 We all make mistakes, Kate. 276 00:21:35,925 --> 00:21:38,700 Even you. You were wrong about your mother. 277 00:21:39,509 --> 00:21:42,540 She wanted to pursue Ganimana just as much as you do now. 278 00:21:43,509 --> 00:21:45,148 So why did she stop? 279 00:21:45,149 --> 00:21:47,072 Why anyone does. 280 00:21:47,073 --> 00:21:49,588 When there's no chance of success. 281 00:21:49,589 --> 00:21:53,108 Well, there is now. 282 00:21:53,109 --> 00:21:55,309 And if there is, I want to help... 283 00:21:56,402 --> 00:21:57,522 ...but on one condition. 284 00:22:01,629 --> 00:22:03,828 A Yankee spy?! No fucking way. 285 00:22:03,829 --> 00:22:07,508 Actually, I was born in Rwanda, just like you. 286 00:22:07,509 --> 00:22:10,348 I don't actually know where I was born, thank you very much. 287 00:22:10,349 --> 00:22:12,149 Ah, hence the weird accent. 288 00:22:16,349 --> 00:22:18,589 - They'll know what you are. - So what? 289 00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:22,268 Whatever it is they don't want being known, 290 00:22:22,269 --> 00:22:24,308 they're not going to tell you, whether I'm there or not. 291 00:22:24,309 --> 00:22:27,068 They're not going to tell me anything with some killer by my side. 292 00:22:27,069 --> 00:22:28,789 Who says I'm a killer? 293 00:22:30,335 --> 00:22:31,655 Something in your eye. 294 00:22:35,829 --> 00:22:37,509 You want to know the truth? 295 00:22:40,869 --> 00:22:43,629 I'm coming whether you like it or not, 296 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:47,629 so do yourself a favour, at least let me carry that box. 297 00:23:32,749 --> 00:23:34,748 This your first time here, since...? 298 00:23:34,749 --> 00:23:37,869 You mean you don't already know the answer to that? 299 00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:41,908 Yeah, it is. 300 00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:43,349 "Yeah, it is." 301 00:23:45,715 --> 00:23:46,955 Me too. 302 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:53,829 You know, you haven't even asked me my name. 303 00:23:57,229 --> 00:23:58,660 Florence. 304 00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:00,748 F-Florence?! 305 00:24:00,749 --> 00:24:02,388 No. 306 00:24:02,389 --> 00:24:04,148 Florence. 307 00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:05,189 Oh? 308 00:24:06,349 --> 00:24:07,908 You got a problem with that? 309 00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:10,669 Baby, I've got a problem with everything. 310 00:24:12,869 --> 00:24:14,469 Florence Karamera. 311 00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:23,949 Florence Karamera. 312 00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:27,388 - So strange. - What is? 313 00:24:27,389 --> 00:24:29,668 To hear my name. 314 00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:32,268 What, since they gave it to you at spy school? 315 00:24:32,269 --> 00:24:33,629 Out loud. 316 00:24:35,629 --> 00:24:36,789 Here. 317 00:24:38,675 --> 00:24:40,795 Since I was a little boy. 318 00:24:41,949 --> 00:24:43,549 Never thought I'd come back. 319 00:24:45,789 --> 00:24:47,469 But here I am. 320 00:25:06,469 --> 00:25:08,188 Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop! 321 00:25:08,189 --> 00:25:10,468 Stop! Stop the car! 322 00:25:45,709 --> 00:25:47,509 Sorry. 323 00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:50,909 - OK? - Hmm? 324 00:25:52,229 --> 00:25:53,269 Yeah. 325 00:25:54,949 --> 00:25:56,269 Your dress. 326 00:26:11,469 --> 00:26:13,028 Are you well? 327 00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:14,588 I'm fine now, thank you. 328 00:26:14,589 --> 00:26:16,588 It has been a long journey for you. 329 00:26:16,589 --> 00:26:18,869 - But I'm here now. - Yes. 330 00:26:19,869 --> 00:26:20,980 You are. 331 00:26:21,629 --> 00:26:23,260 Welcome! Please. 332 00:26:33,349 --> 00:26:34,668 This looks new. 333 00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:36,308 It's a copy. 334 00:26:36,309 --> 00:26:39,188 - Not the original? - No. 335 00:26:39,189 --> 00:26:41,189 But everything in it's been copied across. 336 00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:43,589 Where is the original? 337 00:26:44,909 --> 00:26:46,348 Safe. 338 00:26:46,349 --> 00:26:48,388 And there is not more? 339 00:26:48,389 --> 00:26:50,108 Apparently, these are just the headlines 340 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,828 but they should indicate where all the files are. 341 00:26:52,829 --> 00:26:54,348 In the UK? 342 00:26:54,349 --> 00:26:56,908 No. In Arusha, I believe. 343 00:26:56,909 --> 00:27:00,108 Ah! Fine. 344 00:27:00,109 --> 00:27:01,388 Very good. 345 00:27:01,389 --> 00:27:03,500 Excellent! We have everything we need. 346 00:27:04,069 --> 00:27:07,308 Ms Ashby, thank you. 347 00:27:07,309 --> 00:27:10,509 You have done us a huge service. 348 00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:15,020 Monsieur, how are you today? 349 00:27:15,829 --> 00:27:17,629 - You know who he is? - Yes. 350 00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:20,180 I know. 351 00:27:20,669 --> 00:27:22,620 I've been reading about you. 352 00:27:23,069 --> 00:27:24,628 Oh? 353 00:27:24,629 --> 00:27:26,109 Yes. 354 00:27:28,269 --> 00:27:32,669 And how does it feel to finally return to the country of your birth? 355 00:27:38,509 --> 00:27:40,940 It's OK, there is no need. 356 00:27:42,995 --> 00:27:44,555 I understand. 357 00:27:47,469 --> 00:27:51,628 So, this is Dirk Schreiber, an advisor on international crime 358 00:27:51,629 --> 00:27:53,788 working within our prosecution unit. 359 00:27:53,789 --> 00:27:56,828 - He will be the one to show you around. - Good morning. 360 00:27:56,829 --> 00:28:01,548 Dirk, this is Ms Kate Ashby, adopted daughter of the famous Eve. 361 00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:05,548 - And this is... - Florence Karamera. I'm... 362 00:28:05,549 --> 00:28:07,669 He is here to watch over us. 363 00:28:08,749 --> 00:28:11,988 So, I am Dirk Schreiber. 364 00:28:11,989 --> 00:28:15,069 As is my name, so is my job. 365 00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:21,068 Yeah. 366 00:28:21,069 --> 00:28:23,188 So, come, please, 367 00:28:23,189 --> 00:28:26,709 it is my duty now to show you Rwandan justice. 368 00:28:32,349 --> 00:28:35,348 I am employed entirely by the German government. 369 00:28:35,349 --> 00:28:39,868 Before that, I was at the ICC for seven years as an investigator. 370 00:28:39,869 --> 00:28:44,428 Now it is my job to offer an expert opinion on the ability 371 00:28:44,429 --> 00:28:48,588 of the domestic system here to prosecute international crime 372 00:28:48,589 --> 00:28:50,709 for whomsoever makes the request. 373 00:28:52,268 --> 00:28:55,940 - And what's your view? - For you to see things for yourself. 374 00:28:57,829 --> 00:28:59,309 The President. 375 00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:11,188 Who's that? 376 00:29:11,189 --> 00:29:13,380 I'm not informed, I'm sorry. 377 00:29:15,189 --> 00:29:16,549 I know him. 378 00:29:22,029 --> 00:29:24,389 What she has done for this country. 379 00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:43,708 Allo! 380 00:29:43,709 --> 00:29:45,629 Allo! 381 00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:52,508 Why do you go crazy every time you're here? 382 00:29:52,509 --> 00:29:55,700 Cos I'm crazy wherever I go! 383 00:29:59,429 --> 00:30:01,708 Saw it in Lie-chester Square. 384 00:30:01,709 --> 00:30:04,268 Got the taxi to stop and everything. 385 00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:06,429 And why do you always take taxis? 386 00:30:07,869 --> 00:30:09,788 Ah! Hmm? 387 00:30:09,789 --> 00:30:13,349 Because I'm married to a national hero! 388 00:30:16,109 --> 00:30:17,229 Ah! 389 00:30:18,429 --> 00:30:20,420 I had a girlfriend like this once. 390 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:23,508 This one's more lively, though. Hee! Di-di-doo! 391 00:30:23,509 --> 00:30:27,029 Maybe because you have your hand stuck up its arse. 392 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:29,940 Oh? 393 00:30:30,429 --> 00:30:33,660 No, I tried that on the girlfriend too! 394 00:30:34,509 --> 00:30:36,269 Frank, I'm already ill. 395 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:38,989 OK. 396 00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:50,828 The doctors say you can come home soon. 397 00:30:50,829 --> 00:30:52,109 Hmm? 398 00:30:55,429 --> 00:30:57,428 Police come up with anything? 399 00:30:57,429 --> 00:30:58,869 No. 400 00:31:01,629 --> 00:31:02,909 You? 401 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:15,980 I've never lied to you. 402 00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:17,589 You know that. 403 00:31:19,389 --> 00:31:22,180 You have that girlfriend after we were married? 404 00:31:25,975 --> 00:31:30,900 But only after you decided to give yourself to your country. 405 00:31:32,229 --> 00:31:33,789 You did pretty well out of it. 406 00:31:34,402 --> 00:31:35,842 Did? 407 00:31:37,709 --> 00:31:38,869 Why the past tense? 408 00:31:40,829 --> 00:31:42,029 I, erm... 409 00:31:43,949 --> 00:31:45,989 ...I have something to give you. 410 00:31:51,189 --> 00:31:52,749 Open it. 411 00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:07,789 Do not play it. 412 00:32:09,549 --> 00:32:10,988 What is it? 413 00:32:10,989 --> 00:32:13,149 Something that must be heard... 414 00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:18,540 ...that people do not want to hear. 415 00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:22,708 That why they did this? 416 00:32:22,709 --> 00:32:26,980 Take it back. Keep it very, very safe. 417 00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:31,188 And when I finally return, 418 00:32:31,189 --> 00:32:33,300 bring it to me at the airport. 419 00:32:34,509 --> 00:32:37,829 This is real, Frank. 420 00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:45,588 If they look through your accounts, is everything clean? 421 00:32:45,589 --> 00:32:47,709 I mean everything. 422 00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:55,789 I took that Land Rover. 423 00:32:59,389 --> 00:33:01,749 Then you have to find yourself some insurance. 424 00:33:03,109 --> 00:33:04,389 What do you mean? 425 00:33:07,189 --> 00:33:10,708 In the accounts of other people? 426 00:33:10,709 --> 00:33:13,029 Oh, Alice! 427 00:33:17,309 --> 00:33:19,629 What's this all about? 428 00:33:54,229 --> 00:33:56,148 Is that what they teach you? 429 00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:57,348 Hmm? 430 00:33:57,349 --> 00:34:00,708 Wear a shirt like that? Weaken the female defence? 431 00:34:00,709 --> 00:34:02,708 - Will you shut up? - Hmm? 432 00:34:02,709 --> 00:34:06,189 It's a shirt I have. I did not think of you when I put it on. 433 00:34:07,309 --> 00:34:11,140 And yet you're here at all, when I didn't ask you. 434 00:34:15,789 --> 00:34:17,029 Have you ordered? 435 00:34:22,229 --> 00:34:24,629 Apparently, they drank the pool water here. 436 00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:27,149 Hmm. 437 00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:31,789 Everything around them. 438 00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:34,909 Whistles, pangas. 439 00:34:38,229 --> 00:34:39,589 Pool water. 440 00:34:44,309 --> 00:34:46,660 Tomorrow they want us to visit the memorials... 441 00:34:47,882 --> 00:34:49,082 Not me. 442 00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:52,229 I'm not going to be a tourist to my own history. 443 00:34:53,309 --> 00:34:54,708 Hello. What can I get for you? 444 00:34:54,709 --> 00:34:56,748 - Nothing. - Yet. 445 00:34:56,749 --> 00:34:58,148 Don't answer for me. 446 00:34:58,149 --> 00:34:59,348 Please, take your time. 447 00:34:59,349 --> 00:35:01,309 Yeah, I'll take what I want. 448 00:35:03,860 --> 00:35:07,148 I'm just out of sync, that's all. 449 00:35:07,149 --> 00:35:08,309 Sure. 450 00:35:11,549 --> 00:35:14,469 You probably know more about my past than I do. 451 00:35:15,629 --> 00:35:18,508 I'm guessing you've been given a file or some... 452 00:35:18,509 --> 00:35:20,628 - Not really. - Hmm? 453 00:35:20,629 --> 00:35:22,469 No? Well... 454 00:35:24,149 --> 00:35:25,669 ...not much to say. 455 00:35:25,922 --> 00:35:27,282 Then don't. 456 00:35:32,669 --> 00:35:34,660 Bellboy saw me to my room... 457 00:35:36,229 --> 00:35:39,188 ...showed me around, was a bit slow, 458 00:35:39,189 --> 00:35:41,268 I gave him a couple of dollars 459 00:35:41,269 --> 00:35:44,028 and as he turns to go, there's this huge scar 460 00:35:44,029 --> 00:35:45,629 right down the back of his head. 461 00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:50,868 Back home, I'm special. 462 00:35:50,869 --> 00:35:55,069 Here, I'm just one Tutsi amongst millions. 463 00:35:55,489 --> 00:35:57,849 His story, mine, theirs... 464 00:35:59,109 --> 00:36:03,229 ...all individual, but all the same. 465 00:36:07,949 --> 00:36:11,389 So, what's yours? 466 00:36:16,429 --> 00:36:18,428 Nothing you'd want to hear. 467 00:36:18,429 --> 00:36:20,069 Don't tell me what I want to hear. 468 00:36:27,149 --> 00:36:28,629 I'm Hutu. 469 00:36:38,629 --> 00:36:40,309 My father, erm... 470 00:36:44,109 --> 00:36:46,469 I'm not really sure what he was, but... 471 00:36:48,815 --> 00:36:50,735 ...he was pretty bad. 472 00:36:54,789 --> 00:36:57,068 Anyway, erm... 473 00:36:57,069 --> 00:37:00,068 ...as Mundanzi came in, 474 00:37:00,069 --> 00:37:03,189 we got out, into Zaire, in '94. 475 00:37:05,309 --> 00:37:06,669 Erm... 476 00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:10,860 Sorry, I... I don't really remember, like you, but... 477 00:37:13,389 --> 00:37:15,509 ...three years later they were dead. 478 00:37:18,549 --> 00:37:19,589 That I remember. 479 00:37:22,909 --> 00:37:24,069 Cholera. 480 00:37:27,069 --> 00:37:30,829 I was on my own and that's when things... 481 00:37:32,429 --> 00:37:35,308 You... you were in a camp? 482 00:37:35,309 --> 00:37:37,229 Everyone was in a camp. 483 00:37:42,269 --> 00:37:43,629 No. 484 00:37:45,869 --> 00:37:49,509 I became part of... a militia. 485 00:37:51,629 --> 00:37:53,269 First Congolese War. 486 00:37:59,982 --> 00:38:01,662 How old were you? 487 00:38:03,009 --> 00:38:04,089 Not old enough. 488 00:38:09,669 --> 00:38:12,108 But a few years later, I... 489 00:38:12,109 --> 00:38:13,740 ...I got lucky. 490 00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:15,580 I got caught. 491 00:38:16,029 --> 00:38:18,029 I thought they were going to kill me... 492 00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:21,389 ...but, er, instead they... 493 00:38:22,509 --> 00:38:26,629 ...put me into this educational programme funded by your Yankees. 494 00:38:28,269 --> 00:38:30,868 And, er, when I was 13, 495 00:38:30,869 --> 00:38:32,868 they shipped me over there. 496 00:38:32,869 --> 00:38:35,869 High school, college, military. 497 00:38:38,389 --> 00:38:42,388 And... now here you are. 498 00:38:42,389 --> 00:38:43,749 Hmm. 499 00:38:46,709 --> 00:38:48,349 What's Eunice to do with it? 500 00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:52,189 She sponsored it... me. 501 00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:56,909 Well, that sounds familiar. 502 00:38:58,829 --> 00:39:00,820 Still the same story, just... 503 00:39:01,869 --> 00:39:03,149 ...from the other side. 504 00:39:06,229 --> 00:39:07,660 The wrong side. 505 00:39:20,029 --> 00:39:21,429 It wasn't your fault. 506 00:39:37,469 --> 00:39:39,789 Are you going to help me with this, erm...? 507 00:39:41,709 --> 00:39:44,109 Are you going to help me with this report? 508 00:39:47,389 --> 00:39:48,468 Yeah. 509 00:39:48,469 --> 00:39:50,589 Yes? Yeah. 510 00:39:52,695 --> 00:39:53,895 OK. 511 00:39:55,789 --> 00:39:56,829 OK. 512 00:39:58,549 --> 00:40:01,980 I, er, I think I'm ready to order. 513 00:40:12,789 --> 00:40:14,148 - Yo? - Michael? 514 00:40:14,149 --> 00:40:15,748 Kate! 515 00:40:15,749 --> 00:40:18,020 - Are you all right? - Yeah. 516 00:40:19,762 --> 00:40:22,562 Well, it's been two weeks. I haven't heard from you. 517 00:40:22,587 --> 00:40:24,187 We've been busy. 518 00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:26,309 And what have you found? 519 00:40:27,509 --> 00:40:30,788 The case construction is organised, purposeful 520 00:40:30,789 --> 00:40:34,108 and, I'm repeatedly told, unimpeded 521 00:40:34,109 --> 00:40:38,268 by any political intervention of any sort. 522 00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:40,348 Records are held in paper files, 523 00:40:40,349 --> 00:40:43,348 but are organised, safely kept 524 00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:46,868 and easily accessible in a unit specifically created 525 00:40:46,869 --> 00:40:48,229 for this purpose. 526 00:40:49,149 --> 00:40:53,828 I have been shown a singular case file on an Erik Mutsinzi, 527 00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:58,148 an ex-government officer accused of participation in the genocide, 528 00:40:58,149 --> 00:41:01,029 and whose trial I was given the opportunity to visit. 529 00:41:03,789 --> 00:41:06,468 Over the last few years, the law has been updated 530 00:41:06,469 --> 00:41:09,100 to match international standards. 531 00:41:09,709 --> 00:41:11,548 Death penalty's gone, 532 00:41:11,549 --> 00:41:13,588 guarantee of fair trial, 533 00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:15,388 unimpeded choice of defence lawyer, 534 00:41:15,389 --> 00:41:17,268 guarantee of cross-examination, 535 00:41:17,269 --> 00:41:19,668 guarantee of witness protection. 536 00:41:19,669 --> 00:41:23,788 All these appear to be present and standard. 537 00:41:23,789 --> 00:41:26,068 The central prison is old, 538 00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:28,588 but access to the defence team and a telephone 539 00:41:28,589 --> 00:41:31,468 is regular and unsurveilled. 540 00:41:31,469 --> 00:41:34,069 I've seen it for myself and believe it to be true. 541 00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:37,668 There is no evidence, 542 00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:40,468 and none has been suggested by the prisoners themselves, 543 00:41:40,469 --> 00:41:43,748 of torture or any form of maltreatment. 544 00:41:43,749 --> 00:41:48,028 Now, when you set this in the context of what these men are accused of, 545 00:41:48,029 --> 00:41:51,708 the level and extent of their injury to the people of this country, 546 00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:54,148 the State's restraint, professionalism 547 00:41:54,149 --> 00:41:58,068 and even respect for the rights and wellbeing of these individuals 548 00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:59,829 is nothing short of remarkable. 549 00:42:02,549 --> 00:42:05,308 Listen, I know it's only been a little while, 550 00:42:05,309 --> 00:42:08,788 but based on the evidence I've been presented with so far, 551 00:42:08,789 --> 00:42:12,429 Patrice Ganimana could well stand trial here, in Rwanda. 552 00:45:32,549 --> 00:45:34,509 She's coming. 553 00:45:42,229 --> 00:45:43,700 His birthday. 554 00:45:44,589 --> 00:45:45,948 Hm. 555 00:45:45,949 --> 00:45:47,349 You didn't say. 556 00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:52,260 His first here in many years. 557 00:45:53,869 --> 00:45:54,949 Happy birthday. 558 00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:57,588 Thanks. 559 00:45:57,589 --> 00:46:00,069 Much to celebrate, I think. 560 00:46:10,509 --> 00:46:12,029 Just there! 561 00:46:17,549 --> 00:46:20,189 You go on down, I'll be there. 562 00:46:36,269 --> 00:46:39,309 I am a friend of Erik Mutsinzi. 563 00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:43,789 The man whose trial you visited. 564 00:46:44,989 --> 00:46:46,188 Right. 565 00:46:46,189 --> 00:46:50,300 The witness you saw giving evidence against him... 566 00:46:50,909 --> 00:46:52,349 ...she was lying. 567 00:47:18,949 --> 00:47:20,509 Answer no more. 568 00:47:32,789 --> 00:47:36,349 Yego, nabikubonera mu kwezi kundi. 569 00:47:44,589 --> 00:47:47,788 Well, that was pointless. 570 00:47:47,789 --> 00:47:49,588 The only reason people talk 571 00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:52,548 is if they're more afraid of you than the other person. 572 00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:54,269 She's not afraid of you. 573 00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:58,429 Go wait in the bar. 574 00:48:27,709 --> 00:48:30,469 Sit down and listen. 575 00:48:39,389 --> 00:48:41,748 She will withdraw the evidence. 576 00:48:41,749 --> 00:48:43,788 Did you coerce her? 577 00:48:43,789 --> 00:48:46,340 Just went further up the food chain. 578 00:48:47,269 --> 00:48:48,549 Where? 579 00:48:49,669 --> 00:48:52,428 The factory used to be owned by the Mutsinzi family. 580 00:48:52,429 --> 00:48:55,508 And the new owner is worried that if he's released, 581 00:48:55,509 --> 00:48:56,988 he'll claim it back. 582 00:48:56,989 --> 00:48:59,297 So, he's got a worker to testify against him? 583 00:48:59,298 --> 00:49:01,189 Not only her. He did it himself. 584 00:49:03,149 --> 00:49:04,380 Shit. 585 00:49:05,180 --> 00:49:06,388 Perjury. 586 00:49:06,389 --> 00:49:08,829 - Hm, but that's not the problem. - Then, what is? 587 00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:12,100 The whole community knew he was doing it. 588 00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:16,748 So why didn't the defence counsel find out? 589 00:49:16,749 --> 00:49:18,188 Exactly. 590 00:49:18,189 --> 00:49:20,229 That's the problem. 591 00:49:22,149 --> 00:49:23,948 I've only just started, 592 00:49:23,949 --> 00:49:26,108 but I doubt if I can catch up. 593 00:49:26,109 --> 00:49:27,148 Why? 594 00:49:27,149 --> 00:49:30,108 Look about you. I do not have the resources. 595 00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:32,108 It is why the last man left. 596 00:49:32,109 --> 00:49:33,148 Why? 597 00:49:33,149 --> 00:49:35,868 They have changed the way we are paid. 598 00:49:35,869 --> 00:49:37,708 It is now a fixed fee. 599 00:49:37,709 --> 00:49:38,988 So? 600 00:49:38,989 --> 00:49:43,188 When it started, it was 30,000 francs per hour, 601 00:49:43,189 --> 00:49:46,909 but now it is 15 million, period. 602 00:49:47,989 --> 00:49:49,388 What's that? 603 00:49:49,389 --> 00:49:50,829 About 18,000. 604 00:49:54,229 --> 00:49:56,949 - So? - It is four years' work at least! 605 00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:59,588 Right. 606 00:49:59,589 --> 00:50:02,269 I can hardly afford to pay for a phone. 607 00:50:05,869 --> 00:50:07,828 Why didn't you say? 608 00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:09,868 They are still being paid. 609 00:50:09,869 --> 00:50:12,388 When you set it in the context of the average wage here... 610 00:50:12,389 --> 00:50:14,348 This... this isn't the average activity. 611 00:50:14,349 --> 00:50:16,268 It's a job that sits on the world stage. 612 00:50:16,269 --> 00:50:18,388 Do you realise how expensive that would be? 613 00:50:18,389 --> 00:50:20,188 Do you realise how necessary it is? 614 00:50:20,189 --> 00:50:23,028 You have to understand how far they have come. 615 00:50:23,029 --> 00:50:24,228 Don't. 616 00:50:24,229 --> 00:50:26,228 Don't infantilise this country! 617 00:50:26,229 --> 00:50:27,588 I'm not. 618 00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:31,149 I'm telling you this country could not afford what you suggest. 619 00:50:33,749 --> 00:50:36,348 So, this makes me very happy. 620 00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:38,708 So you can prove me wrong? 621 00:50:38,709 --> 00:50:40,789 So I can offer you help! 622 00:50:44,949 --> 00:50:46,468 How? 623 00:50:46,469 --> 00:50:49,948 The extraditing country, like, say, the UK, 624 00:50:49,949 --> 00:50:51,908 would also agree to foot the bill 625 00:50:51,909 --> 00:50:54,308 for a defence team of the accused's choice 626 00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:55,629 throughout the trial. 627 00:50:56,829 --> 00:50:58,428 A very interesting idea. 628 00:50:58,429 --> 00:51:00,348 Which you might explore? 629 00:51:00,349 --> 00:51:01,748 We do already have a provision 630 00:51:01,749 --> 00:51:03,948 for Western lawyers to work within our system. 631 00:51:03,949 --> 00:51:05,988 But not for defence counsels 632 00:51:05,989 --> 00:51:09,468 to be paid for directly by an extraditing state. 633 00:51:09,469 --> 00:51:11,268 It is just that, wherever possible, 634 00:51:11,269 --> 00:51:14,468 we are looking to cut our imperial apron strings, 635 00:51:14,469 --> 00:51:16,909 not... tighten them. 636 00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:20,388 Forgive me, but I thought you wanted to see justice done 637 00:51:20,389 --> 00:51:23,260 and for the whole world to see you do it. 638 00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:26,348 Madam President. 639 00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:30,509 This is Kate Ashby, the daughter of Eve, the lawyer. 640 00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:33,268 Thank you for everything that you are doing. 641 00:51:33,269 --> 00:51:35,708 Oh, I'm... I'm not sure I am. 642 00:51:35,709 --> 00:51:37,180 I am sure you are. 643 00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:40,909 - David, in five minutes, yes? - Of course. 644 00:51:42,869 --> 00:51:44,349 Have you seen the gorillas? 645 00:51:48,229 --> 00:51:51,748 Er, no, I haven't had the time. 646 00:51:51,749 --> 00:51:55,269 Isn't that what you all think we are here for where you come from? 647 00:51:57,469 --> 00:51:59,428 Erm, I... 648 00:51:59,429 --> 00:52:01,749 To protect the gorillas. 649 00:52:04,229 --> 00:52:06,948 Actually, I was born here. 650 00:52:06,949 --> 00:52:09,388 Oh, yes, I understand. 651 00:52:09,389 --> 00:52:10,988 But now from the UK. 652 00:52:10,989 --> 00:52:12,469 Yes? 653 00:52:14,109 --> 00:52:15,388 Yes. 654 00:52:15,389 --> 00:52:16,828 And in the UK, 655 00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:18,629 have you met your prime minister? 656 00:52:22,029 --> 00:52:23,708 No. 657 00:52:23,709 --> 00:52:26,620 And yet, somehow, you expect to meet me. 658 00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:29,028 Oh, no, I didn't, I just... 659 00:52:29,029 --> 00:52:31,589 Thank you for everything that you are doing. 660 00:52:33,989 --> 00:52:35,789 Five minutes, David! 661 00:52:44,109 --> 00:52:47,829 She can be a little... spiky. 662 00:52:51,509 --> 00:52:53,788 Perhaps I should not have set that up. 663 00:52:53,789 --> 00:52:55,580 You set that up? 664 00:52:55,949 --> 00:52:57,828 I must go. 665 00:52:57,829 --> 00:53:00,828 But there is one problem. 666 00:53:00,829 --> 00:53:02,348 Your mother's file, 667 00:53:02,349 --> 00:53:03,788 it has been very helpful. 668 00:53:03,789 --> 00:53:06,028 We are managing to locate everything we need, 669 00:53:06,029 --> 00:53:08,140 except for one article. 670 00:53:10,749 --> 00:53:12,109 This. 671 00:53:13,709 --> 00:53:17,148 That is the number for a file we cannot find. 672 00:53:17,149 --> 00:53:21,340 When you return to London, might you perhaps take another look? 673 00:53:22,029 --> 00:53:24,748 Well, I'm not sure where. What is it? 674 00:53:24,749 --> 00:53:27,348 That is what we would like to know. Please. 675 00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:29,628 What about the funding issue? 676 00:53:29,629 --> 00:53:32,389 Oh, feel free to approach whomever you wish. 677 00:53:33,469 --> 00:53:34,789 I couldn't do that. 678 00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:38,149 Then, who could? 679 00:53:40,269 --> 00:53:42,428 Can't think the issue of defence funding 680 00:53:42,429 --> 00:53:44,588 hasn't already been discussed. 681 00:53:44,589 --> 00:53:48,508 Only as a pro bono committee through the Attorney General's office, 682 00:53:48,509 --> 00:53:50,828 and that was before we had Patrice Ganimana holed up 683 00:53:50,829 --> 00:53:53,788 in a prime bit of London real estate. 684 00:53:53,789 --> 00:53:57,269 So, will you show this to the Minister? 685 00:54:00,229 --> 00:54:04,028 Who opened the doors for you in Rwanda? 686 00:54:04,029 --> 00:54:05,788 David Runihura, Special Advisor... 687 00:54:05,789 --> 00:54:08,829 Yeah, I know who he is, Michael. 688 00:54:11,069 --> 00:54:13,388 You know Rwanda is of particular interest 689 00:54:13,389 --> 00:54:15,108 to the Secretary of State. 690 00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:16,428 - Yes? - Hm. 691 00:54:16,429 --> 00:54:20,908 He was a junior at the FCO during the genocide. 692 00:54:20,909 --> 00:54:22,268 It caught him out. 693 00:54:22,269 --> 00:54:23,868 Wasn't exactly alone. 694 00:54:23,869 --> 00:54:25,468 But he's a great admirer 695 00:54:25,469 --> 00:54:28,068 of how the country managed to pick itself back up. 696 00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:29,628 Who isn't? 697 00:54:29,629 --> 00:54:33,068 I prosecuted one of the first cases at the ICTR. 698 00:54:33,069 --> 00:54:34,709 Yes, of course. 699 00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:40,828 Actually, we had Eunice Clayton in here the other day. 700 00:54:40,829 --> 00:54:42,268 Did you? 701 00:54:42,269 --> 00:54:44,988 Didn't realise she had her boots on the floor, as it were, 702 00:54:44,989 --> 00:54:46,700 during the whole horror of it. 703 00:54:47,909 --> 00:54:49,580 She was with an NGO. 704 00:54:50,149 --> 00:54:51,308 That how you met? 705 00:54:51,309 --> 00:54:52,549 Yeah. 706 00:54:55,229 --> 00:54:58,989 She has a very particular way of speaking, don't you find? 707 00:55:00,749 --> 00:55:01,869 Direct? 708 00:55:03,229 --> 00:55:04,269 Gynaecological. 709 00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:07,188 In, er, quite some discomfort, actually. 710 00:55:07,189 --> 00:55:09,228 I had to offer her a paracetamol. 711 00:55:09,229 --> 00:55:12,708 Perhaps that's what made her so ill-humoured. 712 00:55:12,709 --> 00:55:14,908 - I'm sorry to hear that. - Hm. 713 00:55:14,909 --> 00:55:17,668 Well, that and the fact that I'm not sure 714 00:55:17,669 --> 00:55:21,988 she and the Minister share quite the same... vision 715 00:55:21,989 --> 00:55:23,468 for that region. 716 00:55:23,469 --> 00:55:24,629 Which is? 717 00:55:32,571 --> 00:55:36,708 That Mundanzi went for a third term is, of course, 718 00:55:36,709 --> 00:55:40,629 a matter of deep regret for the democratic cause. 719 00:55:41,762 --> 00:55:43,400 However, 720 00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:48,468 after the salutary lessons of Libya, 721 00:55:48,469 --> 00:55:51,548 and with the scorch of burnt wool 722 00:55:51,549 --> 00:55:54,269 still permeating the Minister's wardrobe, 723 00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:58,948 the presence of a strong man, or woman, of Africa is, 724 00:55:58,949 --> 00:56:00,588 for the time being at least, 725 00:56:00,589 --> 00:56:02,508 felt to be far preferable 726 00:56:02,509 --> 00:56:06,348 to yet another descent into intertribal insanity. 727 00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:08,148 Which no-one is looking for. 728 00:56:08,149 --> 00:56:09,300 Of course not. 729 00:56:10,269 --> 00:56:12,789 How is Alice Munezero? 730 00:56:17,935 --> 00:56:20,175 She's not looking to topple the President. 731 00:56:21,922 --> 00:56:22,962 Hm. 732 00:56:24,229 --> 00:56:27,508 Although I applaud your directness, it is, of course, 733 00:56:27,509 --> 00:56:30,060 quite impossible for me to have heard what you just said. 734 00:56:31,029 --> 00:56:33,908 Though I'm bound to wonder what it is, exactly, 735 00:56:33,909 --> 00:56:36,069 this is really about. 736 00:56:37,648 --> 00:56:39,300 Oh, well... 737 00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:41,868 That's simple. 738 00:56:41,869 --> 00:56:43,229 It's about justice. 739 00:56:45,709 --> 00:56:46,788 Really? 740 00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:48,269 Absolutely. 741 00:56:50,909 --> 00:56:51,989 What else? 742 00:57:03,869 --> 00:57:05,709 David Runihura. 743 00:57:07,869 --> 00:57:11,348 You realise he's rumoured to be the Earl of Leicester 744 00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:13,149 to Mundanzi's Elizabeth? 745 00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:15,020 Yeah. 746 00:57:15,669 --> 00:57:20,389 And with Alice Munezero as Mary, Queen of Scots, 747 00:57:20,740 --> 00:57:24,589 you might just care to ask yourself, where does that place you? 748 00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:28,988 Fella named David Rizzio, I believe, 749 00:57:28,989 --> 00:57:33,989 was Mary's chief advisor and sometime lover. 750 00:57:36,029 --> 00:57:38,269 I'm presuming that didn't end well. 751 00:57:41,229 --> 00:57:45,268 But stabbed 56 times, Mikey, 752 00:57:45,269 --> 00:57:47,749 with a knife that long. 753 00:57:48,989 --> 00:57:52,869 They found almost as many divots in the floor beneath his body. 754 00:57:54,062 --> 00:57:57,262 Makes you wonder just how much he must have pissed people off, 755 00:57:57,287 --> 00:57:58,967 doesn't it? 756 00:57:59,069 --> 00:58:01,548 But then, perhaps, people like that 757 00:58:01,549 --> 00:58:03,908 never quite understand 758 00:58:03,909 --> 00:58:06,669 the true nature of their game. 759 00:58:09,189 --> 00:58:10,629 Safe journey. 760 00:58:16,909 --> 00:58:18,709 Fuck you!