1 00:00:00,276 --> 00:00:01,987 There is some evidence to suggest 2 00:00:02,012 --> 00:00:04,050 that Hayley... was strangled. 3 00:00:04,075 --> 00:00:05,915 DCI Stuart, Hayley was a friend of mine. 4 00:00:05,977 --> 00:00:08,260 I was supposed to be doing a cleaning job, 5 00:00:08,288 --> 00:00:10,168 Hayley did the job for me. 6 00:00:10,196 --> 00:00:11,768 It was in a holiday rental. 7 00:00:11,838 --> 00:00:13,813 I'd forgotten that's who we let it to. 8 00:00:13,865 --> 00:00:16,105 He does that quiz show on the BBC. James Hollis. 9 00:00:16,130 --> 00:00:18,396 Just give me ten minutes, I'm not feeling 100%. 10 00:00:18,421 --> 00:00:20,029 Dad, this is not about the past. 11 00:00:20,074 --> 00:00:21,954 Or, at least, not the past you're talking about. 12 00:00:21,979 --> 00:00:23,779 I love you. I love you, too. 13 00:00:23,964 --> 00:00:25,549 Tim, it's your word against hers. 14 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,416 I pretended to go out. I just heard him go for her. 15 00:00:28,460 --> 00:00:30,140 I don't believe I ever lost my temper. 16 00:00:30,487 --> 00:00:32,256 I'd appreciate having somebody here. 17 00:00:32,281 --> 00:00:34,483 They took money I had for a deposit on a flat. 18 00:00:34,545 --> 00:00:36,905 I do think you should consider opening a bank account. 19 00:00:36,940 --> 00:00:38,890 No. No. No. No. No bank accounts. 20 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:39,941 I would feel very lucky to be 21 00:00:39,966 --> 00:00:41,424 able to help you grow stronger. 22 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:43,493 There'll be money in the joint account tomorrow. 23 00:00:43,548 --> 00:00:47,258 Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA. We want to cancel it. 24 00:00:47,283 --> 00:00:48,935 I can't see any paperwork here. 25 00:00:49,061 --> 00:00:51,581 Mr Hollis, we wondered if you had five minutes, please, 26 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,440 to help us with a case we're investigating. 27 00:00:53,569 --> 00:00:55,096 I will need my lawyer present. 28 00:00:55,152 --> 00:00:56,752 Els, it's Dad again. 29 00:00:56,850 --> 00:00:58,869 They've come about her. 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,920 Shit! 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,560 You... 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,400 Dad! 33 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Dad! Yeah? 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,160 Morning. 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,400 Blimey! Are you all right? You left a pan on. 36 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,560 Me? No. 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Yeah, I walked in and it was burning. 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,960 Is that your porridge? 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,840 This was off when I left. 40 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,760 Right. Well, I've, like, literally just walked in. 41 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,080 So... 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:25,586 Well, it's still under warranty. 43 00:02:25,611 --> 00:02:26,984 I'll get in touch with the company. 44 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,120 I'm sorry. If I knew anything, I'd tell you, Mr Hollis. 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,520 You know I would. I do. But if you do hear anything, 46 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,000 tell him I need to speak to him. 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,920 Tell him it's really urgent. 48 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,560 And, so, in the end, 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,299 the case really came down to one 50 00:02:55,324 --> 00:02:57,584 person's word against another's. 51 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,280 And in this instance, 52 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,753 we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's 53 00:03:01,765 --> 00:03:03,680 many years' exemplary practice 54 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,280 and his reputation as a hard-working, generous 55 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,760 and trustworthy GP. 56 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,440 And as such, we find we do not uphold the complaint. 57 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:15,320 I heard him. He might sit there now 58 00:03:15,345 --> 00:03:17,304 looking like butter wouldn't melt, 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,200 but he's got another side to him. 60 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,520 Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate. 61 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,520 You should, cos you're a disgrace! 62 00:03:40,055 --> 00:03:41,955 _ 63 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Guv... 64 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,840 Yeah? He is here... 65 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,000 'Peter, its Mark Harper. 66 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,480 'Kate and I can find no record of any paperwork 67 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,920 'relating to an ISA in the name of Salthouse 68 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,120 'and I need to know today how a three-grand cheque from him 69 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,720 'has been cashed. 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,480 'So you really need to call me.' 71 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:21,640 There. 72 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,000 _ 73 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,000 _ 74 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,080 OK, er... 75 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:57,440 ..I'm going to change all of your settings 76 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,280 so that only your friends can comment. 77 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,760 What does it make them feel when they say those things? 78 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,880 I doubt very much they feel anything at all, Mum. 79 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,760 Cos they're messed up. 80 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:15,480 And that, that isn't about Dad or about you or Hayley. 81 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,880 It's about them. 82 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,040 It's just a mirror people hold up to themselves to shout at. 83 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,680 I wanted, if I may, erm, to ask you about a house you rented 84 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:34,920 in Middenham, in December 1999, 85 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,440 which I believe... 86 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,880 ..was an eight-bedroom house. 87 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,080 Yes, I can't remember specifically but, yes, it was big. 88 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:46,800 There were a bunch of us. Three other families? 89 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,600 Yes, although, for the first few days, 90 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,280 there were only me and three mates. 91 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Erm, our wives and kids joined us on New Year's Eve. 92 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,200 Right. 93 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,360 It was primarily a golfing break. 94 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,320 OK. 95 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,560 Erm, and what were their names, please, the men? 96 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,320 Tim Finch. 97 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,720 Chris Lowe. 98 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Pete Carr. 99 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,640 And are they all still around? Yep. 100 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,400 Still friends? 101 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,280 Yes, we were at school together, so it's a long connection. 102 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,000 And the families, erm, can you give me details of those people? 103 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,320 Tim was there with his first wife Derran 104 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,360 and their, er... two little girls. 105 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,720 Pete was single at that time, so on his own. 106 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,240 And Chris Lowe was with his first wife Laura and their little girl. 107 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,040 And your wife? 108 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,560 Yes, my wife Mel and our little boy Eliot. 109 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,680 Are you two still together? No. 110 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:49,720 I remarried a few years ago. 111 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,880 So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid. 112 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,600 Do you recognise her? 113 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Yes. 114 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,520 And is that just from the papers? Sorry, where is this heading? 115 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,440 We're just trying to corroborate evidence from another witness, 116 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,400 who thinks Hayley might have cleaned the house you rented. 117 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,600 I have no recollection of that. You never saw her there? 118 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:25,800 No. 119 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,080 I mean, we were out most days, 120 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,872 but, hey, this story was huge and 121 00:07:29,897 --> 00:07:32,144 her photo was all over the TV. 122 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,802 So, if she had cleaned our house 123 00:07:33,827 --> 00:07:35,864 and any of us had have seen her, 124 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:37,220 then I think someone would have 125 00:07:37,245 --> 00:07:39,184 mentioned something. Absolutely. 126 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,480 When did you return to London, Mr Hollis? 127 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Erm, when the rental ended, which would be... 128 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,080 ..perhaps, er, around the second or third. 129 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,680 And you drove back up with your wife and child? Yes. 130 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,040 How did they got down there on the 31st? 131 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,480 Train. I picked them up from a nearby station. 132 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,760 OK. And this is the last question. 133 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,680 What did you all get up to on the Millennium evening? 134 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Well, as I remember, we, er... 135 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,080 ..we had a meal in the house, all together. 136 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Then, I think the, erm... 137 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,440 ..the children stayed up a bit, till about nine or ten. 138 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,520 I think the adults watched a movie 139 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,960 and then all went to bed after Big Ben. 140 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,000 Is that all of you? As I recall, yes. 141 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,800 And then no-one went out again for the rest of the night? 142 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,000 No. 143 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,120 OK. 144 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,720 That's it. 145 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,000 Thank you. Thank you very much for your time. 146 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,080 Sorry... 147 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,600 You said you guys met at school. Yes. 148 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,000 Where was that, the school you went to? Finchley. 149 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,200 Right. And you all, erm... 150 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,720 ..lived round that area? Within a couple of miles, yes. 151 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,400 OK, thanks again. 152 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Well, I think we want to know more about four guys 153 00:09:26,978 --> 00:09:28,978 who grew up half a mile from her grave. 154 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:30,150 I think we do. 155 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:41,580 Hollis, you wanker. 156 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:44,500 Shit! 157 00:09:56,260 --> 00:09:59,100 And this sort of sized garden is very unusual 158 00:09:59,260 --> 00:10:01,380 for a flat in this part of the city. 159 00:10:01,540 --> 00:10:03,220 It's also west-facing, so... 160 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,960 Anyway, have a natter and I'll be outside if you need me. 161 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:10,500 Thank you. 162 00:10:14,540 --> 00:10:16,900 He's never had a garden with grass before. 163 00:10:17,060 --> 00:10:19,180 You like it. 164 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:21,100 I think it's perfect. 165 00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:22,380 What? 166 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:24,740 There's a "but" coming. 167 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:26,934 But... 168 00:10:28,126 --> 00:10:31,126 ..if we're going to be properly together... 169 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,080 ..I need to know who you are, Chris. 170 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:39,060 Who I am? 171 00:10:40,175 --> 00:10:42,975 How does someone like you, so... 172 00:10:43,150 --> 00:10:46,510 ..brilliant, so lovely... 173 00:10:48,380 --> 00:10:50,260 ..end up like you have? 174 00:10:50,420 --> 00:10:51,940 How does that happen? 175 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,000 _ 176 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 _ 177 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:32,900 So we had two key leads that I believed 178 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:36,140 were potentially significant, but were never resolved. 179 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:38,100 St Matthew's C of E, 180 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:40,460 which was burgled at some point that New Year's Eve, 181 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:42,940 with about five grand's worth of 18-century silverware 182 00:11:43,140 --> 00:11:44,980 taken from a locked cupboard in the vestry. 183 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:46,770 Blood smears were retrieved on some 184 00:11:46,795 --> 00:11:48,604 smashed glass into the vestry, 185 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:51,260 but there were no matches with anyone on our database. 186 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:54,900 The church is about halfway between The Swan 187 00:11:55,100 --> 00:11:57,260 and Hayley's parents' original house. 188 00:11:57,420 --> 00:12:00,140 And one possible theory was that 189 00:12:00,340 --> 00:12:02,180 she saw something after she left work, 190 00:12:02,380 --> 00:12:06,180 she went to investigate and ran into the burglar or burglars. 191 00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:09,140 Certainly, I believe it's worth following up again. 192 00:12:10,580 --> 00:12:12,540 And then a black car, 193 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:15,540 which was seen driving very erratically on the road 194 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:18,220 between The Swan and her house 195 00:12:18,380 --> 00:12:20,500 at approximately 12:25, 196 00:12:20,540 --> 00:12:23,460 maybe 15 minutes after we know she left the pub. 197 00:12:23,620 --> 00:12:25,060 No reg or make, 198 00:12:25,260 --> 00:12:27,900 but the witness thought it was a black four-door saloon 199 00:12:28,060 --> 00:12:29,380 with a tow bar. 200 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:30,869 And it's worth mentioning that the 201 00:12:30,894 --> 00:12:32,404 weather was very bad that night, 202 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:35,220 with heavy rain from about 11 o'clock onwards 203 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:37,860 and very poor visibility. 204 00:12:38,020 --> 00:12:39,020 That's it. 205 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:43,660 So John will be available for the rest of the day, 206 00:12:43,860 --> 00:12:46,220 and then on the phone, at any point, for any questions. 207 00:12:46,380 --> 00:12:47,820 But given what he's just told us, 208 00:12:48,020 --> 00:12:49,493 I suggest DNA swabs should be taken 209 00:12:49,518 --> 00:12:51,604 from any suspects we speak to. 210 00:12:52,620 --> 00:12:55,540 Thank you again, John. That was very useful. 211 00:12:55,700 --> 00:12:57,220 So... 212 00:12:57,380 --> 00:12:59,260 ..specific points of action. 213 00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:03,620 Fran, can you double-check all these timelines, please, 214 00:13:03,820 --> 00:13:06,020 for Hayley's movements on the night of her disappearance 215 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:08,380 and the week before? Boss. 216 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:12,060 Murray, you take the witness who saw this car. Yup. 217 00:13:12,260 --> 00:13:15,220 And, Jake, obviously, the body was found in London 218 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:17,780 and, given that new development, 219 00:13:17,980 --> 00:13:20,940 it's worth having another chat with Adrian Mullery, I think. Guv. 220 00:13:21,140 --> 00:13:24,300 And following this morning's interview with James Hollis, 221 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:27,140 myself and DI Khan will certainly be speaking 222 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:30,740 to the other three male occupants of The Spinney. 223 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:34,580 OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone. 224 00:13:36,540 --> 00:13:38,980 That was great. Thank you again. 225 00:13:39,140 --> 00:13:40,420 Yeah. No problem. 226 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:42,500 So are you heading back down tonight or...? 227 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:45,100 No. No, no, my kids live with their mum in town, 228 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:47,548 so I'm going to stick around, spend 229 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:49,820 some time with them for a few days. 230 00:13:50,020 --> 00:13:52,300 Right. How old are they? 21 and 20. 231 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:53,820 Same as mine. Boys or...? 232 00:13:53,980 --> 00:13:55,420 Two boys. 233 00:13:55,580 --> 00:13:56,620 Jinx. 234 00:13:58,260 --> 00:14:00,940 Er, anyway, I better go and check into the hotel, so... 235 00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:03,540 Go for it. And we will speak soon, I hope. Yeah, absolutely. 236 00:14:04,780 --> 00:14:06,660 John... Thanks for that. That was great. 237 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:09,260 Listen, er... if you're at a loose end any evening, 238 00:14:09,460 --> 00:14:11,900 there's always a few of us at The Enterprise, 239 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:13,860 if you fancy a drink. It's just opposite. 240 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:15,660 Yeah, great. Cheers. 241 00:14:15,860 --> 00:14:17,180 I might take you up on that. Good. 242 00:14:17,260 --> 00:14:18,540 All right, see you. See you. 243 00:14:18,740 --> 00:14:20,220 See you. Cheers. 244 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:25,220 You're welcome. 245 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:35,780 Hola, gordo conejo. Hola, muy gordo conejo. 246 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:38,900 How you doing? Yeah, all good. You? 247 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:42,100 Yeah, very well. I've just been in Manchester on a work thing, 248 00:14:42,260 --> 00:14:44,020 driving back to Sussex now with Caz. 249 00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:46,380 Right. Give her my love. I will. 250 00:14:46,420 --> 00:14:49,180 But listen, very quickly, I presume you've seen the news 251 00:14:49,340 --> 00:14:50,780 about the Hayley Reid case. 252 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:54,220 Yeah, I did. It's very sad. Wasn't it? 253 00:14:54,420 --> 00:14:57,220 Anyway, the police are obviously doing a general trawl 254 00:14:57,380 --> 00:14:59,260 for potential new witnesses. 255 00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:02,820 And they spoke to me this morning about the house we rented. 256 00:15:02,980 --> 00:15:04,460 Right. 257 00:15:04,660 --> 00:15:07,740 Apparently they think she may have been our cleaner. Wow! 258 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:09,700 I said I couldn't recall us having a cleaner 259 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:12,260 and I certainly think one of us would have noticed 260 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:13,655 if it had have been her, given the 261 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,044 amount of coverage. Indeed. 262 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:17,180 Anyway, the long and short is 263 00:15:17,380 --> 00:15:18,862 they're probably going to want to 264 00:15:18,874 --> 00:15:20,500 speak to the whole gang of us, so... 265 00:15:20,700 --> 00:15:22,620 ..I just thought that I ought to let you know. 266 00:15:22,780 --> 00:15:24,020 Yeah, no worries. 267 00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:25,860 Obviously, they're looking for people 268 00:15:26,060 --> 00:15:29,660 who may have seen something that only now seems relevant. 269 00:15:29,860 --> 00:15:32,380 But I told them we all stayed in the house that night, 270 00:15:32,540 --> 00:15:34,660 eating with our families, so... 271 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:36,540 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 272 00:15:36,740 --> 00:15:39,420 I'll give Pete a bell and maybe you could give Chris the heads up? 273 00:15:39,580 --> 00:15:40,580 Sure. 274 00:15:40,740 --> 00:15:42,500 And I've e-mailed some dates for our meet-up. 275 00:15:42,580 --> 00:15:44,380 Yeah, I saw. Erm... 276 00:15:44,580 --> 00:15:46,740 ..I can do any of those. Excellent! 277 00:15:46,780 --> 00:15:48,500 Speak soon, mate. 278 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:50,140 Yeah, cheers, Jamie. 279 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:55,060 Jamie sends his love. 280 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:57,060 How is he? 281 00:15:57,220 --> 00:15:58,740 He's very well. 282 00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:01,780 He's just, er... trying to arrange a get-together. 283 00:16:01,940 --> 00:16:03,620 The four amigos. 284 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:05,340 That'll be nice. 285 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:06,820 Yeah, it will. 286 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:09,100 It's been too long. Much too long. 287 00:16:11,980 --> 00:16:13,460 Of course I remember. 288 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:15,740 I was meant to have bought the puddings and I forgot, 289 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:18,340 so I legged it to the corner shop and bought a load of Cornettos, 290 00:16:18,380 --> 00:16:20,340 which your ex wasn't too happy about. 291 00:16:20,540 --> 00:16:21,968 Anyway, I just wanted to check that 292 00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:23,460 you remembered it the same as I did. 293 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:25,460 So, we're all ready for the 22nd. 294 00:16:25,660 --> 00:16:28,980 Chris has replied now so I'll book a table and send you all a link. 295 00:16:29,180 --> 00:16:31,620 Just one quick thing before you go, Jamie. 296 00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:34,140 Actually, I'm literally just heading into a meeting, mate. 297 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:35,900 Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds. 298 00:16:36,060 --> 00:16:38,260 Jamie... I need a massive favour. 299 00:16:41,540 --> 00:16:43,380 I was married for, er... 300 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:45,460 ..12 years 301 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:47,780 and I had... have, I have a daughter, 302 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,420 Maya, 303 00:16:49,580 --> 00:16:52,020 who I last saw 17 years ago. 304 00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:56,900 My marriage ended early 2000. 305 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:01,580 And because of some issues that I had at the time, 306 00:17:01,740 --> 00:17:03,380 my wife Laura, 307 00:17:03,580 --> 00:17:06,340 she felt it was damaging for Maya to be around that. 308 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:09,060 And I'd run up some debts. 309 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:12,820 So I went from living in a nice house in Notting Hill to... 310 00:17:12,980 --> 00:17:14,860 ..a one-bedroom flat in Acton... 311 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:18,660 ..and then a hostel and... 312 00:17:20,180 --> 00:17:22,100 ..and then the streets. 313 00:17:22,260 --> 00:17:23,540 How long were you homeless? 314 00:17:25,380 --> 00:17:27,780 On and off for seven years. 315 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:29,260 Chris... 316 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:33,100 I'm so sorry. 317 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:35,220 And you had no friends who could have helped you? 318 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:36,497 Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would 319 00:17:36,522 --> 00:17:37,964 have been desperate to help me. 320 00:17:38,140 --> 00:17:41,020 Yeah, but you have to want to be helped. And I didn't. 321 00:17:41,220 --> 00:17:43,138 I hated myself. I thought I deserved 322 00:17:43,150 --> 00:17:44,820 everything that happened to me. 323 00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:46,420 And your marriage... 324 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:49,940 ..the issues you mention? 325 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:51,420 OK, so... 326 00:17:51,620 --> 00:17:54,660 ..as you know, I have bipolar disorder, 327 00:17:54,860 --> 00:17:57,740 which was undiagnosed at the time, and so it was unmedicated, 328 00:17:57,900 --> 00:17:59,380 which meant that... 329 00:18:00,420 --> 00:18:03,860 ..you know, my behaviour was... challenging. 330 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:07,140 And as soon as I started costing my company money, 331 00:18:07,180 --> 00:18:09,340 it was inevitable I'd be asked to step down. 332 00:18:12,940 --> 00:18:15,700 And that was just not what she had married, 333 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:18,260 an unemployed man who had mental health issues. 334 00:18:20,180 --> 00:18:21,740 So she asked me to leave. 335 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:24,900 And I did. 336 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:28,940 And then, 18 months later, she married a hedge fund manager, 337 00:18:29,140 --> 00:18:31,100 who bought her a house in Holland Park, so... 338 00:18:34,340 --> 00:18:36,500 And then, in 2012... 339 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:42,420 ..Maya wrote to tell me that Laura had died from breast cancer... 340 00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:45,740 ..and to ask that I stay away from the funeral. 341 00:18:47,380 --> 00:18:50,380 I thought about writing back, and saying that I was better now, 342 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:52,180 that I was a different person. 343 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:53,660 And I am. 344 00:18:55,620 --> 00:18:57,180 But I think there comes a time 345 00:18:57,380 --> 00:18:59,380 when you have to accept how things have turned out. 346 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:03,540 That life can sometimes simply be unfair. 347 00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:06,500 And to keep resisting that... 348 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:10,100 ..it takes so much energy, Mila. 349 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:14,540 Energy that you need for the future. 350 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:32,100 Love? 351 00:19:32,260 --> 00:19:33,820 In here. 352 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:36,580 Hey, Pete. 353 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:39,140 Hello, Mark. 354 00:19:39,300 --> 00:19:41,420 What a lovely lady your missus is. 355 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:44,060 I was just about to call you. 356 00:19:44,260 --> 00:19:46,700 You're punching above your weight there, buddy. 357 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,340 Three grand. 358 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:54,820 And my apologies. 359 00:19:56,580 --> 00:19:59,580 I was stressed about some deals and screwed up the paperwork. 360 00:19:59,780 --> 00:20:03,300 I accidentally paid Salthouse's cheque into my personal account. 361 00:20:03,460 --> 00:20:05,180 But, er... 362 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:07,780 ..there it is. 363 00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:10,780 All there. 364 00:20:16,340 --> 00:20:19,140 You know what we used to call blokes like Pete, Maria? 365 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:22,540 Filth. 366 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:26,300 Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong. 367 00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:28,740 Bit of a Wild West out there, wasn't it, mate? 368 00:20:28,940 --> 00:20:31,180 Attracted a very distinct sort of person. 369 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:34,380 I see you, buddy. 370 00:20:38,860 --> 00:20:41,300 Lovely to meet you, Maria. I'll let myself out. 371 00:20:50,380 --> 00:20:51,820 I'm sorry about that. 372 00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:58,100 I need a shower. 373 00:21:00,380 --> 00:21:01,940 This isn't working, Pete. 374 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:04,940 You and me. 375 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:08,540 I'm sorry, but... 376 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:12,540 ..this just isn't what I thought I was buying. 377 00:21:13,759 --> 00:21:15,199 It'll get better, babes. 378 00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:18,940 Trust me. 379 00:21:20,151 --> 00:21:22,431 I've got some really good business coming in. 380 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,620 I forgot to say, I've got a couple of guests arriving. 381 00:21:46,965 --> 00:21:48,605 Can you show them in, please, Liz? 382 00:21:48,679 --> 00:21:49,785 Yes. 383 00:21:50,531 --> 00:21:52,131 Thanks. 384 00:21:57,055 --> 00:21:59,055 _ 385 00:22:04,681 --> 00:22:06,361 Adrian... 386 00:22:07,585 --> 00:22:09,425 Have you got five minutes? 387 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,680 Well, obviously I recognise her, 388 00:22:26,739 --> 00:22:29,777 but I don't recall ever seeing her at the house at any point. 389 00:22:30,464 --> 00:22:31,655 As Jamie said, 390 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,824 if we had have seen her, we would have discussed it at the time. 391 00:22:34,899 --> 00:22:37,179 It was a huge story. Absolutely. 392 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,360 Er, so... 393 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,200 ..Mr Hollis, he told us that the four of you had gone down 394 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,240 on your own, at first, to play golf. Yes. 395 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,854 And then your wife Derran and your girls arrived on the 31st. 396 00:22:55,112 --> 00:22:56,215 Yes. 397 00:22:56,318 --> 00:22:58,598 And how old were they, the kids? 398 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,040 Er, Claire would have been eight 399 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,080 and Emma just turned ten. 400 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,080 I'm sorry, just to go back on one thing. 401 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,160 New Year's, the kids would have gone to bed at...? 402 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,520 Er, nine, ten, maybe. 403 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,680 And no-one went out after that? Nope. 404 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,320 What car where you driving back then, Dr Finch? 405 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,240 ..I had my Audi in '99, I think. 406 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,840 An A4. 407 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,880 Sorry, was that the saloon or...? 408 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,840 No, the estate. We needed the space for holidays and stuff. 409 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,520 To save faffing around with a top box or a trailer or any of that. 410 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,920 And what colour was it? 411 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,720 Silver. 412 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,240 And your wife and kids, they went down by train? 413 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,600 With Jamie's wife and son. 414 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,920 And everybody headed back to London on the 2nd? Yes. 415 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,520 Did you all live in London then? 416 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,680 All except Pete. 417 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,600 He lived in Hong Kong. 418 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600 And your marriage to Derran, that ended when? 419 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,880 What relevance has when my marriage ended to anything? 420 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,960 Sorry. If any question makes you feel uncomfortable, 421 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,600 you don't have to answer. 422 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,280 We separated in 2001. 423 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,600 OK. 424 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,680 And do you remember when Mr Hollis and his wife separated? 425 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,680 Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000. 426 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,640 And Chris Lowe and his wife? 427 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,320 Yeah, roughly the same time. 428 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,080 And are you still in contact with Derran, 429 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,440 if we wanted to speak with her? 430 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,440 I haven't seen Derran for many years, 431 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800 but I can get a number from my kids, if you need it. 432 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,440 That would be very helpful, thank you. 433 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,520 I should just say that, er... 434 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,840 ..she's had a number of issues over the last couple of decades, 435 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,520 depression, anxiety and so, erm... 436 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,000 ..I'm not entirely sure you'll find her 437 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,680 the most reliable of narrators. 438 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,840 OK. 439 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,480 Well, thank you for that. 440 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080 And then, one last thing, 441 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,560 and, er... I should say, 442 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,280 do feel free to say no. 443 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,160 But in order to help eliminate you from our enquiries, 444 00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:26,640 how would you feel about giving us a DNA swab? 445 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,240 Yes, of course. No problem. 446 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,360 So, if nobody went out after ten, then it can't be them. 447 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,360 I mean, we know Hayley was seen alive at 12:10, so... 448 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,240 Yeah, I think you're right. 449 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,400 And if we're spinning our wheels on these guys, 450 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,360 I don't want to waste any more time. 451 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,120 Let's take the last two separately. 452 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,880 Hi, Dad, it's me. 453 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960 Look, I'm really sorry, I'm going to be a bit late. 454 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,400 Please... call me. 455 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,600 How many times have you been here before, Jamie? 456 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,200 It'll be fine. 457 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,520 You know, the longer this goes on... 458 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,200 ..the more his problems... 459 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,920 ..consume him. 460 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:26,138 The more you look at the paths we 461 00:26:26,150 --> 00:26:28,360 took, the choices we made, I made... 462 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,800 ..and think... 463 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,760 ..was it then? 464 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,800 Was it that choice... 465 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,720 ..or that choice... 466 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,680 ..that messed everything up? 467 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,320 Was it then... 468 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,680 ..that I ruined my child's life? 469 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,160 Call me. 470 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,880 Sometimes, I just... 471 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,400 Hi... Hello. 472 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,920 Gemma left some school books at mine, I brought them round. 473 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,800 And then she wanted to show me her room. Right. 474 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,920 Lovely place, though. Thank you. 475 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Anyway, I need to shoot off. 476 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,240 Nice to see you. And you. 477 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,640 Bye, girls. 478 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,440 Bye. Bye. 479 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,680 Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the clip-round-the-ear-hole generation. 480 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,480 I think he'd still like to, to be honest. Dear. 481 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,400 And do you have children? No! 482 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,520 Never had the urge to be a mother. 483 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080 Wow. Smart move. Tell me about it. 484 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,240 They take so much from you, don't they? 485 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,160 Not sure I'd see it quite like. Just, I'm too selfish, I think. 486 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,240 Yeah? Liked my career too much. 487 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,600 I think, if you are going to have children, you need to be around. 488 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,160 Whoops. Well, yes. 489 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:07,040 I mean, an evening like tonight, it's fine you letting us down, 490 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,800 but how did you cope when that was your kids, 491 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,160 turning up two hours late for supper? 492 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,720 We, erm... muddled through. 493 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,360 Anyway, Dad tells me you're off to Venice at the weekend. 494 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,320 I know. You should tell him to stop spoiling me. I should. 495 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,840 And first class, too. 496 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,320 Venice? 497 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,600 Right. Yeah. 498 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,320 Funny. Very funny. 499 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640 Actually that's not quite what I said. 500 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,560 OK. 501 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,400 I have it here, you said you saw her leave just after midnight. 502 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,040 No, I said she would have left 503 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,800 just after her shift ended at midnight. 504 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,880 I never said I actually saw her. 505 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,240 Right. 506 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,920 Guy Halford, the manager, he's the one who actually saw her. 507 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,160 Sorry. And so what was the last time you saw her? 508 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,240 Just before 11. 509 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,840 I was working through till three 510 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,520 and I took a half-hour break then. 511 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,320 When Guy came back, he put me in the bar 512 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,680 and I just presumed that Hayley was finishing up in the restaurant. 513 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,640 And Guy Halford, does he still live in Middenham? 514 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,400 Hi. Hi. 515 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,840 I'm looking for Christopher Lowe. 516 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,080 Hello. 517 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,320 Go on... 518 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,800 Stay there. Stay. 519 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Mr Carr? Yeah. 520 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,760 DI Sunny Khan. Have you got five minutes? 521 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,560 No, I'm... 522 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,840 Sorry. 523 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,160 OK. 524 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,440 Absolutely sure? 525 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,880 Yeah. You know who she is, though? 526 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,880 Yeah. Of course, yeah. 527 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,840 I mean, I never saw her in that house. 528 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,600 Are you OK, Mr Lowe? Yeah. 529 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,320 Yeah, I just... 530 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,800 I don't cope with stress very well. 531 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,280 Would you prefer to have someone with you? No. No. 532 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,120 No, I'm fine for now. OK. 533 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,520 So we're just asking everyone we speak to 534 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,680 a number of general questions to help us with our enquiries. 535 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,160 So, can you tell me what car you were driving that week? 536 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,120 I didn't take a car. I went down with Tim. 537 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,240 And then, did you and your family travel back with him or...? 538 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,760 My wife drove down with our daughter 539 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,400 and we went back in her car. 540 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,800 Right. 541 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,520 So what car was she driving? 542 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,327 She would have been driving the Maserati. 543 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,200 Right. 544 00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,980 You know what? I think I did see her at the house. 545 00:32:07,352 --> 00:32:09,792 Right. Are you sure? 546 00:32:09,843 --> 00:32:12,043 Yeah. Just one time, but, er... 547 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:14,700 ..she's got a distinctive face, I guess. 548 00:32:14,740 --> 00:32:16,770 I think that was her. OK. 549 00:32:17,382 --> 00:32:18,862 Was that on your own or...? 550 00:32:18,897 --> 00:32:21,418 Erm, I'd come back from a round early. 551 00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:24,426 I was still a bit jet-lagged, so I went back to the house for a kip. 552 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:27,620 Er, when I walked in, she was there, hoovering. 553 00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:31,171 I said hello and asked if there was anything else she could do, 554 00:32:31,218 --> 00:32:32,618 cos of the noise. 555 00:32:32,794 --> 00:32:34,273 What day would this have been? 556 00:32:35,585 --> 00:32:38,952 I'd have to check a calendar. Do you know when it was rented from? 557 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:40,070 Yeah. 558 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:43,980 Monday the 27th. 559 00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:47,940 Monday. Well, we arrived in the evening, I remember that. 560 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:50,100 I think we just chilled the next day, 561 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,100 had a couple of bevvies in the local 562 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,060 and played our first round the day after. 563 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:56,860 So I'm thinking the Wednesday. 564 00:32:58,300 --> 00:33:01,300 Just to go back to the conversation with her, 565 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,900 was it just about the hoovering, was it? Yeah. 566 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,140 When I woke up, the other lads were back and she'd gone. 567 00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:09,820 And you didn't discuss this with any of the others? 568 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:12,940 Discuss what? 569 00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:16,260 That this girl... 570 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:20,260 ..who later went missing, had been in the house you all rented. 571 00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:22,020 No. 572 00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:25,060 I mean, I drove back to London on the 2nd 573 00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,100 and then flew out to Hong Kong first thing the next day, so... 574 00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:31,260 This was a big story? 575 00:33:32,620 --> 00:33:35,980 It was huge. It was in all the national newspapers for weeks. 576 00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:38,660 Right, well, I had no idea about that. 577 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:44,340 And her photo being on the front pages the last couple of days. 578 00:33:44,540 --> 00:33:47,740 Work's been pretty crazy. I haven't had time to look at the papers. 579 00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:52,940 I'm sorry, but the first I've ever heard of this girl is, er... now. 580 00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:58,460 I suppose one of us would have cooked 581 00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:00,580 and then all of us, with kids, I mean, 582 00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:02,340 would have eaten together. 583 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:03,980 And that was a pleasant evening? 584 00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:06,100 Yeah. Everyone had a nice time? 585 00:34:06,143 --> 00:34:08,036 Yeah, we had a nice time. Why do you ask that? 586 00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:09,580 Well, just... 587 00:34:09,631 --> 00:34:14,431 Because Christmas and New Year can be quite stressful, can't it? 588 00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:17,340 And I understand your marriage broke down not long after. 589 00:34:17,375 --> 00:34:18,898 What has that got to do with anything? 590 00:34:18,923 --> 00:34:20,656 Well, I wondered if that was in any way 591 00:34:20,735 --> 00:34:23,575 connected to something that happened on this break. 592 00:34:23,946 --> 00:34:26,706 You know, I think I do, I do need someone with me. 593 00:34:26,742 --> 00:34:29,054 And I can arrange that. Of course. 594 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:30,922 But can you answer that question, please? 595 00:34:30,947 --> 00:34:34,648 Because I'm aware that, of the three of you that were married, 596 00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:38,054 all of you were separated within the year. 597 00:34:38,140 --> 00:34:41,020 No, that was, that was, that was nothing to do with anything 598 00:34:41,047 --> 00:34:42,551 that happened on that break. 599 00:34:42,576 --> 00:34:43,656 So... 600 00:34:45,072 --> 00:34:46,192 Sure. 601 00:34:47,657 --> 00:34:48,919 Who's that? 602 00:34:50,521 --> 00:34:54,980 That's my girlfriend and her son. I want to stop now, please. 603 00:34:55,570 --> 00:34:57,130 One more thing. 604 00:35:00,820 --> 00:35:03,100 Lastly, we're asking everyone that we speak to 605 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,180 how they'd feel about providing a DNA swab. 606 00:35:06,987 --> 00:35:08,987 Entirely voluntary of course. 607 00:35:09,529 --> 00:35:10,929 How would you feel about that? 608 00:35:11,815 --> 00:35:13,255 Not a problem. 609 00:35:13,391 --> 00:35:14,911 Good. It won't take a minute. 610 00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:24,780 Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier. 611 00:35:24,808 --> 00:35:26,836 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat, sir? 612 00:35:26,860 --> 00:35:28,180 Now, you'll have my home address, 613 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,460 but you decided to come here because you thought what? 614 00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:31,980 That I'd be embarrassed 615 00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:34,540 and gratefully duck into some car so no-one saw? 616 00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:36,900 I just want to ask a few quick questions, sir. 617 00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:38,940 So a couple of hours ago, the head suggested 618 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,540 that maybe I should take some leave. 619 00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:43,100 Some of the parents have been uncomfortable with the situation. 620 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:45,700 And, of course, I could refuse because she has no legal right. 621 00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:48,180 But do you know what? I have spent the past 18 years 622 00:35:48,380 --> 00:35:50,740 telling people that I wasn't even charged, 623 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:52,500 that not one single piece of evidence 624 00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:54,420 could ever be found to incriminate me, 625 00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:56,500 that the lead detective retired 626 00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:59,020 just before a misconduct case could be brought against him. 627 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,340 So I am knackered 628 00:36:01,540 --> 00:36:04,740 and I'll take the paid break, thank you very much. 629 00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:06,140 But what it also means 630 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:08,500 is that I am not remotely fucking embarrassed, mate. 631 00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:12,140 I'm not remotely embarrassed to stand here 632 00:36:12,340 --> 00:36:15,780 and tell you loudly, no, I will not talk to you. 633 00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:17,420 I will not sit in a car or a room 634 00:36:17,620 --> 00:36:19,820 or anywhere with you, voluntarily, ever. 635 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:22,820 And if you want to arrest me, be my guest. 636 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:25,620 But I'll not say another fucking word to you. 637 00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:27,300 Not even, "No comment." 638 00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:29,580 Because I think the police are scum. 639 00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:32,300 I think you lie. I think you break the law. 640 00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,260 I think you take bribes and you sell stories. 641 00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:38,220 But worse than that, most unforgiveable of all, 642 00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:40,660 I think you're thick. 643 00:36:40,860 --> 00:36:43,540 I think your ranks are made up of dim-witted mediocrity 644 00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:45,620 who joined the force because they want power 645 00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:48,100 but they're too stupid to get employed anywhere else. 646 00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:52,220 So... shame on you... 647 00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:55,260 ..for the way you treated me... 648 00:36:57,620 --> 00:37:00,660 ..for letting Hayley down so... catastrophically. 649 00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,460 And shame on you, DC Jake Collier... 650 00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:08,980 for becoming a police officer. 651 00:37:20,580 --> 00:37:22,260 And how sure did he seem? 652 00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:24,460 Pretty sure. It was an instinctive reaction. 653 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:26,900 I don't think he was recognising her from the newspapers. 654 00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:29,180 So this definitively places her in the house, 655 00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:32,140 possibly with all four men, before the wives and kids arrived? Yeah. 656 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,420 What was he like otherwise? 657 00:37:35,540 --> 00:37:36,660 Odd. 658 00:37:36,820 --> 00:37:37,980 An odd mixture. 659 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:41,780 I mean, I guess you've got to ask, why would he be telling me 660 00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:44,276 that he saw Hayley in the house if he had something to hide? 661 00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:45,620 But... 662 00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:49,020 But when I asked him if he'd give a DNA swab, 663 00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:51,820 he slightly looked like he'd just shat himself. 664 00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:56,300 What's his background? 665 00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:02,340 Lived and worked in Hong Kong for 25 years. 666 00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:05,940 Only married for the first time six years ago. 667 00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:09,620 No previous convictions, at least not here. 668 00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:13,060 Drove down to Middenham on a motorbike. 669 00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:16,940 Do we have a response from James Hollis about his car yet? 670 00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:19,620 I'll chase that. Er, how was your man? 671 00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:22,460 So, erm... 672 00:38:23,540 --> 00:38:25,260 He lives in a camper van. 673 00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:30,940 I'd say he's definitely had some mental health issues, 674 00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:33,140 looks like he hasn't got a pot to piss in. 675 00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:35,460 Except, in 1999, 676 00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:38,900 he was CEO of DDM Lowe, 677 00:38:39,060 --> 00:38:42,860 his own advertising agency. 678 00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:45,940 And this is a guy who got a double first from Cambridge, 679 00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:49,300 was basically a bit of a genius through his life, 680 00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:52,580 lived in a five million quid house in Notting Hill. 681 00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:55,300 Wow. When did he leave? 682 00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:56,740 Early 2000. 683 00:38:57,820 --> 00:39:00,060 "To pursue new challenges." 684 00:39:00,260 --> 00:39:01,740 What, like, how to live in a car park? 685 00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:07,060 DCI Stuart. 686 00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:10,020 Hello, I'm just returning your call. 687 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:13,140 It's Mel Hollis here. I'm James Hollis' ex-wife. 688 00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:15,740 Mrs Hollis. Yeah, thanks for returning my call. 689 00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:20,380 No, it wasn't a pleasant evening. 690 00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:22,740 What it was was a train wreck. 691 00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:24,180 In what way? 692 00:39:25,540 --> 00:39:28,260 Look the meal was fine, we ate, we cleared up, 693 00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:30,860 the kids were knackered, it'd been a long day getting there, 694 00:39:31,020 --> 00:39:32,700 so they went to bed about 9:30. 695 00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,740 Which was good. That they were in bed, I mean, 696 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:40,660 because they didn't have to see Chris go completely nuts, 697 00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:43,020 for want of a better word. How do you mean? 698 00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:45,260 Out of the blue, he just started ranting 699 00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:48,700 about his life, his marriage, his friends... 700 00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:53,660 ..how it all meant nothing, how everything was an illusion. 701 00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:56,660 It was quiet terrifying. Wow, yeah, I can imagine. 702 00:39:56,820 --> 00:39:59,300 And, so... what did people do? 703 00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:02,860 Well, I mean, we all tried to calm him down, obviously, 704 00:40:03,020 --> 00:40:05,180 particularly Laura his wife. 705 00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:08,340 But he was flailing his arms and shouting and... 706 00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:12,340 To be honest, we were all quite relieved 707 00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:14,540 when he then just suddenly walked out. 708 00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:16,100 Of the house? 709 00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:19,100 And went where? I don't know. 710 00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:22,300 Had he been drinking? 711 00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:23,900 Well, he'd had a few. 712 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,100 We'd all had a few. It was New Year's Eve. 713 00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:28,420 Anything else? 714 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,300 Someone might have bought some coke. 715 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,220 I don't know, maybe he'd had a bit of that. 716 00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:37,860 OK. 717 00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:39,300 So who was taking coke? 718 00:40:40,780 --> 00:40:42,940 Not me. Not any of the women, actually. 719 00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:44,460 Tim Finch? 720 00:40:44,660 --> 00:40:47,060 Definitely not, no. He never did that. 721 00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:50,460 Pete, no, he was more of a drinker. 722 00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:52,420 James... yes. 723 00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:55,980 In fact, I think it was him that probably bought it. 724 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:59,500 When Chris went out of the house, 725 00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,420 what time would that have been? I don't know. 726 00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:05,660 Just after ten, I guess. And did anyone go after him? 727 00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:08,180 Yeah, after a minute or two... 728 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:10,740 James and Tim. 729 00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:13,100 Did they catch up with him? No. 730 00:41:13,140 --> 00:41:15,860 No, Chris came back on his own about an hour and a half later. 731 00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:17,500 He was absolutely drenched. 732 00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,460 I mean, it was raining hard at this point 733 00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:21,820 and his clothes were covered with mud 734 00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:24,220 and he went straight upstairs to bed. 735 00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:26,980 No explanation, no apology, nothing. Right. 736 00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:28,500 Where was Pete Carr at this point? 737 00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,860 Pete had been out since right after the meal, 738 00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:33,540 trying his luck at the pub. Trying his luck? 739 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:35,060 The ladies. 740 00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:38,100 He got back just after midnight. 741 00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:40,460 On his own? 742 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:41,980 And pissed. 743 00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:44,940 And your husband and Dr Finch? The same. 744 00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:47,900 No, they got back just before midnight. 745 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:50,100 Just in time for Auld Lang Syne, bless. 746 00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:52,260 Were they separate or together? 747 00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:55,740 I can't remember. 748 00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:59,380 And what happened then? 749 00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:01,980 The guys went to bed, the women stayed up 750 00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:04,340 and talked about our car crash marriages. 751 00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:05,380 OK. 752 00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:09,580 This is really important, Ms Hollis, so... 753 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:12,860 ..I want you to think very carefully, please. 754 00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:18,620 Did you see anyone go out again after that? 755 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:19,820 No. 756 00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:22,420 No-one went out again after that. 757 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:28,460 You sound very certain. 758 00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,500 Firstly, I sat up talking to Laura and Derran 759 00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,700 till about three o'clock in the morning, and then... 760 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,780 I wasn't going to sleep with James that night, so I slept on the sofa. 761 00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:41,580 Except, I didn't, really. Sleep, I mean. 762 00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:44,020 So that meant I would have seen if anyone had gone out. 763 00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:45,540 And they didn't. 764 00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:50,100 Right. 765 00:42:51,980 --> 00:42:53,220 Fuck. 766 00:42:53,420 --> 00:42:56,060 The last sighting of her was after they were all back in the house. 767 00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:00,460 So she could be lying. Yep. 768 00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:03,300 Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep and one of them came down 769 00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:05,300 at four or five or whatever and then went out. 770 00:43:05,460 --> 00:43:08,340 Except, if one of them came down at four or five, 771 00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:11,380 went out then and killed her, where... 772 00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:14,420 ..where was Hayley between leaving the pub at 12:10 and four or five? 773 00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:18,380 No, that feels wrong. Yeah, maybe. 774 00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:19,780 But not as wrong as all four men 775 00:43:19,980 --> 00:43:22,140 having clearly lied to us through their teeth. 776 00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:23,620 There is that. 777 00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:26,780 I need a drink. 778 00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:28,620 There is that. 779 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,300 _ 780 00:43:35,350 --> 00:43:37,000 _ 781 00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:45,860 Yeah, it was about ten past, 782 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:47,820 maybe quarter past midnight. 783 00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:50,980 Enough time to change, anyway. For the party? Yeah. 784 00:43:51,140 --> 00:43:52,980 Cos she went as Madonna, 785 00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:55,260 the Desperately Seeking Susan one. 786 00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:57,620 You know, all the slap and the hair and everything. 787 00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:00,340 It was an '80s theme, I think. 788 00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:04,380 Sorry, just a sec. Sure. 789 00:44:12,060 --> 00:44:14,420 This is from Hayley's diary. 790 00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:18,820 "I hate the '80s, I hate fancy dress, so am going as ME!! 791 00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:21,380 "They should be so lucky. Lucky, lucky, lucky!!" 792 00:44:21,540 --> 00:44:22,620 Maybe she changed her mind. 793 00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:27,540 Were there any other female staff going to the party 794 00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:30,100 who would have been the same age, same build as Hayley? 795 00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:38,900 Hey... 796 00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:42,580 Hey, Fran, what's up? 797 00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:45,220 There was another employee, same build, same colouring, 798 00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:46,660 same hair as Hayley, 799 00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:49,180 who's just confirmed to me that she went as Madonna 800 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:51,020 and she left around 12:10. 801 00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:53,740 So you think the manager saw her leaving, not Hayley? 802 00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:56,100 I think it has to be a very strong possibility. 803 00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:59,020 Which means the last confirmed sighting of Hayley was way earlier. 804 00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:02,380 At 11, after which she could easily have bunked off work early. 805 00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:04,460 OK, this is brilliant work, Fran. 806 00:45:04,542 --> 00:45:06,291 Let's talk first thing tomorrow. 807 00:45:06,316 --> 00:45:08,082 Goodnight, boss. You heard that? 808 00:45:08,121 --> 00:45:10,001 So she could actually have left the pub earlier. 809 00:45:10,026 --> 00:45:11,306 At 11. 810 00:45:11,459 --> 00:45:14,794 Which means we now have four men, variously pissed, 811 00:45:14,836 --> 00:45:17,116 drugged up and possibly mentally unstable, 812 00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:18,919 out somewhere in Middenham, 813 00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:21,633 at exactly the same time as Hayley. 814 00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:54,500 *CREDITS*