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I'm not late, am I?

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No, no, we're still
waiting on a few people.

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Help yourself to a beverage.

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- Thank you.
- Hello.

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I'll just have a black coffee,
please.

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- OK.
- Oh, no, no.

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Jackie doesn't work here.

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She's our member of the public.

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She's actually on the jury.

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Gosh, sorry. I didn't mean to...

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Oh, that's all right,
I don't mind!

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I'm Clive Carol.
Pleased to meet you.

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Clive's one of our finest
writers, aren't you?

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He won the Breakthrough Talent
Award for television drama.

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When was this?

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- Oh, a couple of years ago.
- 2003, wasn't it?

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Was it that long ago? Yeah,
I suppose it was, actually.

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Now,
obviously you'll know Rupert.

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Have you two worked together?

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No, I'd love to. Huge fan.

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Hello.

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And this is Gordon Norris.

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We know each other.

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Hi, Gordon.

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It's all a bit bloody pointless,
if you ask me.

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We already know who's
going to win, don't we?

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What's she called,
the girl who's in everything?

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Shona Andrews.

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Let's not prejudge.
There's a long way to go yet.

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Gordon, I don't know
if you've had a chance

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to have a quick read of
that script I sent through?

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No, I haven't, Clive.

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I'm in post on Doctor Who and I'm
prepping the new Jimmy Nesbitt vehicle,

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so I'm a little tied
up at the moment.

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Yeah, it's just that Sky are
really, really interested.

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And, you know, script by me, directed
by you, that's a really good package.

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Yes, Clive. It's on the list,
but it's, er... It's not for now.

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Absolutely. I agree.
Whatever you say.

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Oh, it's here, April!

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We're in here!

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Hello, everybody.

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Oh,
and I'm Paula and I'm the couch.

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Rupert?

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God, you're here?

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Oh, you got old!

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Oh, have you met?
What was your name, sweetheart?

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Yes, I know Rupert.

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I've interviewed him
on several occasions.

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- Hello, again.
- Hello.

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- Who is this?
- Got no idea.

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Right well, we are all met,

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so shall we make a start as there's
a huge amount to get through?

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Can I suggest we begin in time-honoured
fashion by just going around the room

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and saying who we
are and what we do?

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So, I'm Giles Grindlay-Orme,

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and I am Associate Chair of the
Television Committee here at the Academy.

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I'm June Bright
and I'm an alcoholic.

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No!

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I'm a journalist and TV critic
for the Sunday Mirror.

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Rupert Dennis, actor,
treader of boards,

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now old, apparently.

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Oh, is it me? I'm Jackie.

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I'm a dentist's receptionist.

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I've never done anything
like this before.

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I won a competition.

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Yes, I should point
out the Academy thought

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it was very important to
hear the voice of the viewer.

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So, this year each jury
has a member of the public

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giving us the benefit
of their unique insight.

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Gordon?

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Oh, yes. Gordon Norris.

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Film and TV director.

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Clive Carol, scribbler, dreamer.

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Also a member of the public.

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I did win the
Breakthrough Talent Award.

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Yada, yada, yada!

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I'm Paula, you all know me.

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And I'm here doing
a West End show.

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And I've got a costume fitting at
four, so we'd better, you know...

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Oh, absolutely,
thank you, Paula.

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So, we are here to judge
the Best Actress category.

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I have to ask that you have
all watched the performances

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up for consideration this year

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and that there are no conflicts of
interest that may colour your judgment.

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Right, well, let's begin.

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As you know, we have a
long list of eight names,

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which we need to whittle
down to four nominees.

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I'm sure we can get rid of a
few of these pretty quickly.

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Zoe Chappell?

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No. No. No.

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She's off the list.

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Tina Waddingham, anyone?

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- She was good.
- Not for me.

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No, me neither.

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Yeah,
I don't think it's her year.

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As I thought.

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What about Brenda Dobbie?

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No!

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Ok. That's pretty clear.
Poor Brenda.

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- Kelly Marsden?
- Absolutely not.

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I don't understand how
she even got on the list.

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I've interviewed Kelly.

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She's a very clever girl,
believe me. Very ambitious.

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Can we keep the discussion just
to her acting ability, please?

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Well, in that case,
I thought she was pretty good.

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- I liked her.
- Well, that's good enough for me.

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Samira Denham?

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Terrible. Too young.

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Well, you know,
Samira can be good.

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She just needs a good director.

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I don't know what was
going on with her acting.

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She was supposed to
be doing Cockney.

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She sounded like
she was Australian.

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Yeah, she's shit.
It was like, you know,

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"Go down the apples and pears
and get me some jellied eels!"

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I'm just agreeing with you,
Gordon.

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Yeah, that is so true.

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Well, she's gone.

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So, by my reckoning that
leaves us with a shortlist of

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Shona Andrews, Dame Dorothy Sutton,
Kelly Marsden and Anna Adeyemi.

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Is everyone happy with
these four as our nominees?

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Yes.

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Good. Well, that was painless.

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So, what we'll do now is
discuss each one in turn,

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then you'll all get a chance to vote
anonymously to determine the winner.

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I myself will remain impartial.

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OK, let's kick off with Shona.

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Who wants to start?

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Jackie!

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Just brilliant.

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She's always brilliant,
isn't she?

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You could watch her in anything.

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She did that thing a couple of
years ago when she was a nurse.

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- What was that called?
- Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Look, I mean,
I've never worked with her.

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But the camera loves her.

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She's got that 360 range and
she's always, always committed.

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- I think she nailed it.
- Paula, would you agree?

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Shona Andrews stole my heart.

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Moving, truthful, devastating.

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This was a different kind
of role for her, wasn't it?

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Just talk a little
bit about that.

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Well, this was a different kind of
role for her, totally different.

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She played, er...

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Madam Curry.

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Marie Curie.

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Yes, the woman who
invented the radio.

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And I totally bought it,
the whole package.

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Yeah, she is what I call
one of the anointed.

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She can do no wrong.

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And even though she was 30
years too young for the part,

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I have to admit she
was really very good.

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Well, what does it
matter how old she is?

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She brought Marie
Curie to life for me.

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I mean, it was a very
dry and boring subject,

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but my ex-partner and
I sat there transfixed.

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I never even knew Marie
Curie was a real person.

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I thought it was a magazine.

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And that made it even more...

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..Better, if that's not
a stupid thing to say.

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No. No, no, it isn't,
not at all.

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It's exactly that kind of observation
we were hoping to get from you, Jackie.

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Well done.

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I have a problem
with this actress.

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She mumbles.

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I couldn't make out
half of what she said.

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Having said that, I was a
blubbering wreck by the end.

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A remarkable performance.

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- I agree.
- Oh, great.

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- Can we go now?
- No, no, no.

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We have to discuss all the nominees,
but let's just put a big tick for now

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and move on to Dame Dorothy.

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Rupert?

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I'm guessing you had no
problems with her diction?

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Absolutely not.

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Clear as a bell.

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I've got a lot of
time for Dotty.

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We came up through
the RSC together.

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Isn't that a
conflict of interest?

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No, we were on nodding terms,
that's all.

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She did a lot of nodding,
from what I heard.

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- Let's just...
- What's that supposed to mean?

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Come on, Rupert. You and
Dame Dotty do have a history.

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You can't deny it.

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I don't think

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a handjob in the car park
of the Dirty Duck in 1976

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is going to cloud my judgment.

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Well,
it does colour things slightly.

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Oh, come off it,
she did it for everybody!

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Well, let's not...

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Robin Nedwell, Brian Glover...

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I think we're going a
little bit off-piste there.

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But for the sake of
complete impartiality,

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why don't you sit out on this
one, Rupert, if you don't mind?

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Fine.

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Mumbling girl's going
to win it anyway.

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Paula?

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Dorothy Sutton stole my heart.

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She was perfectly
cast in the role,

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which saw her transform from

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waspish librarian to
warm-hearted widow

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with all the skill
of a seasoned pro.

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Hang on, that's my review!

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I wrote that for
the Sunday Mirror.

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Great minds think alike.

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Paula, you have watched all
these performances, haven't you?

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Sure, sure, my agent set
me up with all the links.

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OK. Gordon, what did you think?

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Yeah, I mean, yeah, she's a national
treasure and she's given a lot of people

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a lot of pleasure
over the years.

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Some more than others,
apparently.

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But I feel in this case she
was let down by the script,

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which just didn't seem
to go anywhere original.

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Yeah, I agree. I agree,

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because the script should take
you on a journey, shouldn't it?

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So if you read episode one,

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you really want to know
what happens in episode two,

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and there are many more ideas
that can be explored there.

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I will read it, Clive.

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Brilliant, no worries.

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Let's just remember what this
award is for, Best Actress,

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and we should be focusing on
just the elements of performance.

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Jackie, let's get the view
from the sofa, as it were.

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Are you a Dame Dotty fan?

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I love her. She really
reminds me of my grandma.

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Apart from the wanking
men off in car parks bit.

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But she's always
so funny and so...

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..Twinkly, if that's a word?

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It is. It is a word.

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But it's interesting, because the
character she's played here, Mrs Crabbe,

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is actually quite cantankerous
and sour to begin with, isn't she?

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Yeah. And that's what
makes her a good actress,

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because she's not like
that in real life, is she?

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She doesn't suffer fools,
put it that way.

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Yeah, she knows what she wants.

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In terms of performance,
though, another tick.

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Right, next up is Kelly Marsden.

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Who wants to talk about Kelly?

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Kelly Marsden stole my heart.

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- What, again?
- Yes.

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All these girls are real,
moving.

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I don't want to choose between
them, but we have to, right?

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Yes, but based on the performances
that we have all definitely seen.

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Absolutely. But let me
just say one thing here.

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You cannot judge between
this cup of coffee

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or this cup of coffee
or this cup of coffee.

249
00:11:07,780 --> 00:11:08,960
This is tea.

250
00:11:08,990 --> 00:11:09,950
Whatever.

251
00:11:09,980 --> 00:11:14,410
All I mean is all these
girls are real, moving.

252
00:11:14,730 --> 00:11:16,630
They're all uniquely brilliant

253
00:11:16,660 --> 00:11:19,070
and you cannot sit in judgment
of these performances.

254
00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:21,330
Of course we bloody can -
that's what we're here for.

255
00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,950
Well, there speaks a man who's
never been up for an award,

256
00:11:23,980 --> 00:11:25,150
- because if you had...
- Excuse me!

257
00:11:25,180 --> 00:11:29,000
Because if you had, you would
know to be entered into a race

258
00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:32,560
you did not choose to enter,
and then to lose...

259
00:11:33,050 --> 00:11:34,720
to Jessica Lange...

260
00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:39,130
Well, that hurts.

261
00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,190
Period.

262
00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:43,650
And I know, because when I won
Breakthrough Talent in 2003...

263
00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:45,390
Yeah, Clive, OK...

264
00:11:45,730 --> 00:11:48,580
Sorry, can I just bring
this back to the acting bit?

265
00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:50,950
Yes, thank you,
Jackie, please do.

266
00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:54,210
This Kelly girl,
she made me and my mum cry.

267
00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,240
Good. Not good, but... Carry on.

268
00:11:57,270 --> 00:12:01,850
She was just so moving and believable,
I totally cared what happened to her.

269
00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,780
She is definitely talented.

270
00:12:03,810 --> 00:12:05,570
I mean, you know, she's auditioned
for me a couple of times,

271
00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,420
not got them, obviously,
but, I think,

272
00:12:08,450 --> 00:12:11,130
I think this has just come a
little bit too soon for her.

273
00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,090
Is this the flat-chested one?

274
00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,470
- Didn't like it.
- Rupert!

275
00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,620
Am I not allowed an
opinion on this one either?

276
00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:18,660
Look, Kelly's come
up through the soaps,

277
00:12:18,690 --> 00:12:20,500
and I think they learn
a lot of bad habits.

278
00:12:20,530 --> 00:12:24,370
But, getting back to what
Gordon said, I think he's right.

279
00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,080
I think in a couple of years, we
could be looking at a Suranne Jones

280
00:12:28,110 --> 00:12:30,110
or a Sarah Lancashire.

281
00:12:30,140 --> 00:12:30,730
But not yet.

282
00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,360
I'm with Gordon on this one,
I'm afraid. I wasn't convinced.

283
00:12:33,390 --> 00:12:35,950
If you're going to be addicted to
gambling, live on a council estate,

284
00:12:35,980 --> 00:12:37,490
you've got to do more than
scrape your hair back,

285
00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,130
paint a love bite on, I'm sorry.

286
00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,180
OK, OK, so not the most
glowing comments we've had.

287
00:12:42,210 --> 00:12:45,450
I'm just going to put a question
mark next to Kelly for now.

288
00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:48,850
Finally, Anna Adeyemi,

289
00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:53,360
who played Trish in
Channel 4's Clickbait.

290
00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:55,510
Who wants to talk about her?

291
00:12:57,270 --> 00:12:58,470
Gordon.

292
00:13:03,130 --> 00:13:04,510
What are you all
looking at me for?

293
00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:08,690
Just because you are a director and
you may well have some thoughts on...

294
00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,210
- The black actress.
- No, no, no, not at all.

295
00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,660
She is AN actress
nominated for this award.

296
00:13:14,690 --> 00:13:16,530
Oh,
so it's not the coloured girl?

297
00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:18,480
- What did you...
- It's...

298
00:13:18,620 --> 00:13:22,090
The nominee we are
discussing is Anna Adeyemi.

299
00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,240
Anna Adeyemi stole my heart.

300
00:13:24,270 --> 00:13:25,300
I see what this is.

301
00:13:25,330 --> 00:13:27,630
I see what this... I now
understand why I'm on the panel.

302
00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:30,480
It's my unique insight
into all things black.

303
00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:33,880
Not at all. You are here because you
are a valued industry professional,

304
00:13:33,910 --> 00:13:35,530
same as everybody else.

305
00:13:36,010 --> 00:13:36,850
Except Jackie.

306
00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,840
Well, we have to have one,
don't we?

307
00:13:38,870 --> 00:13:40,000
I read it somewhere.

308
00:13:40,030 --> 00:13:41,660
- Isn't that right, Giles?
- No, no, no.

309
00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:43,430
- That's not...
- I just can't believe this.

310
00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:45,750
No, what I meant is,
it's a good thing.

311
00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:47,430
We ought to have one.

312
00:13:47,660 --> 00:13:50,000
Bloody hell. They damn you if
you do, damn you if you don't.

313
00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:50,840
Rupert, stop it now.

314
00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:55,330
Look, it is not my fault that Idris
Elba didn't make a TV show this year,

315
00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,860
so you can all tick your little
diversity box and have at it.

316
00:13:57,890 --> 00:14:01,090
- Oh, come on!
- You know what? This is bullshit.

317
00:14:02,150 --> 00:14:03,260
- I'm leaving.
- No, no, no.

318
00:14:03,290 --> 00:14:05,660
I am leaving! I'm leaving!

319
00:14:05,690 --> 00:14:07,710
We need you on this panel.

320
00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:08,940
Hear, hear.

321
00:14:16,690 --> 00:14:17,890
Fine.

322
00:14:18,950 --> 00:14:20,150
Fine, Giles.

323
00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,990
But let it be known that I do not
want to go first in this discussion.

324
00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,400
Understood.

325
00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:30,410
Thank you.

326
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:32,550
Clive.

327
00:14:32,980 --> 00:14:34,820
What did you think of
Anna's performance?

328
00:14:45,660 --> 00:14:47,750
I think she...

329
00:14:49,450 --> 00:14:50,650
..Was...

330
00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:53,320
..Brilliant.

331
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:57,190
Actually. It's a very contemporary
story, very well told.

332
00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:02,660
She brought great authenticity
to that world, it was fantastic.

333
00:15:04,210 --> 00:15:07,520
- Jackie.
- Again, really, really good.

334
00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,990
I actually couldn't
see her acting.

335
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:17,370
And that really added to
the storyline, in my eyes.

336
00:15:17,610 --> 00:15:19,180
Well, we already know
what Paula thinks.

337
00:15:19,210 --> 00:15:20,350
June.

338
00:15:20,380 --> 00:15:21,350
I've always loved her.

339
00:15:21,380 --> 00:15:24,560
I've given her two
thumbs up in the past.

340
00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:26,040
Isn't that a
conflict-of-interest?

341
00:15:26,070 --> 00:15:27,830
I'd be very happy if
she got this award.

342
00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:29,770
Rupert,
what did you make of Anna?

343
00:15:30,110 --> 00:15:36,040
Truthfully, I wasn't that
impressed, I'm afraid to say.

344
00:15:36,070 --> 00:15:37,280
Another mumbler.

345
00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:42,160
I found her very wooden,
unsympathetic, woefully miscast.

346
00:15:42,190 --> 00:15:43,640
I'm sorry, but there it is.

347
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:45,640
All right. And, er...

348
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:49,410
..Finally, Gordon.

349
00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:54,980
I Well, I have to say
that I agree with, erm...

350
00:15:56,110 --> 00:15:57,310
..With Rupert.

351
00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,330
I thought she was
out of her depth.

352
00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:01,980
She didn't quite have
the emotional range

353
00:16:02,010 --> 00:16:05,850
and I felt that she fell far
short of what was required.

354
00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:07,780
Yep, I agree. Can see that.

355
00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:11,030
Wait a minute, you said you thought
she was brilliant, like, a second ago.

356
00:16:11,060 --> 00:16:12,700
Well,
I'm allowed to change my mind.

357
00:16:12,730 --> 00:16:14,300
Gordon's made some really
interesting points.

358
00:16:14,330 --> 00:16:16,320
And how could you say she
lacked the emotional range?

359
00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:17,110
She went through
the mill in this.

360
00:16:17,140 --> 00:16:18,790
I don't know, June.
How could you say

361
00:16:18,820 --> 00:16:20,810
my direction of Hotel
Babylon gave you a headache?

362
00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,770
I never said that.

363
00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,570
"Gordon Morris directs
like a toddler with ADHD

364
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,950
and his showy camera moves 'had
me reaching for the paracetamol

365
00:16:27,980 --> 00:16:29,340
- in the first ten minutes."
- I think that's...

366
00:16:29,370 --> 00:16:32,410
Like I said, Gordon, it's water
under the bridge. It doesn't matter.

367
00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,770
Yeah... it doesn't matter, cos
nothing that you do matters, June.

368
00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,480
What's that supposed to mean?

369
00:16:36,510 --> 00:16:38,270
- You don't have to answer that, Gordon.
- No, I want to answer it.

370
00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:40,750
- Let him speak.
- You, you are a parasite.

371
00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:42,500
Jackie has more to
contribute than you.

372
00:16:42,670 --> 00:16:45,500
Leave it, honey. You only ever
remember your bad reviews.

373
00:16:45,530 --> 00:16:47,240
You must have a
bloody good memory.

374
00:16:47,380 --> 00:16:49,740
Fuck you, you withered asshole.

375
00:16:49,770 --> 00:16:52,390
All right, everybody,
please, let's just, er...

376
00:16:53,070 --> 00:16:54,420
Let's just calm down.

377
00:16:55,050 --> 00:16:57,470
I suggest we take a
five-minute break, come back.

378
00:16:57,500 --> 00:17:00,540
And, if we can, choose a winner.

379
00:17:01,490 --> 00:17:04,260
Just going for a
pee and a ciggy.

380
00:17:05,060 --> 00:17:07,230
I'm sorry about that, old chap.

381
00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:08,980
Crossed wires, I think.

382
00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:10,920
- No offence.
- It's fine.

383
00:17:18,980 --> 00:17:20,180
Jesus.

384
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,510
Bit awkward, wasn't it?

385
00:17:22,540 --> 00:17:24,530
Yeah, he's apologised,
it's fine.

386
00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:30,150
Just so you know, there's going to be
lots of diversity in Blood Oranges.

387
00:17:31,210 --> 00:17:33,000
- Blood Oranges?
- My script.

388
00:17:33,070 --> 00:17:36,800
- I know you haven't read it.
- Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, I haven't.

389
00:17:36,830 --> 00:17:41,260
Well, when you do, just bear in mind
that any of the characters could be...

390
00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,100
..diversified.

391
00:17:47,250 --> 00:17:48,450
What do you mean?

392
00:17:48,590 --> 00:17:51,190
Just that if there's anything you
don't like or you don't agree with,

393
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:53,190
I don't mind changing it.

394
00:17:53,460 --> 00:17:56,060
Clive, you're not supposed to
feel that about your own script.

395
00:17:56,090 --> 00:17:57,990
You're supposed to
be protective of it.

396
00:17:58,020 --> 00:17:59,990
I want a writer that totally
believes in their work.

397
00:18:00,020 --> 00:18:01,000
But I am, I do.

398
00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:05,170
But, equally, I don't mind
completely changing it

399
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,080
if it means it'll get made.

400
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,740
You all right?

401
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:25,910
Yes.

402
00:18:26,490 --> 00:18:28,590
Just having a little think.

403
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,960
So, how did you win this
competition, Jackie?

404
00:18:32,990 --> 00:18:35,470
I had to write a pretend
review of a programme.

405
00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,890
what did you choose?

406
00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,590
- Bake Off.
- Oh, yeah, I reviewed that once.

407
00:18:40,810 --> 00:18:43,390
I did the whole thing
as if it were a recipe.

408
00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:46,930
Take two ripe presenters,
that sort of thing.

409
00:18:47,450 --> 00:18:48,650
Sounds good.

410
00:18:49,630 --> 00:18:51,330
I'd love to have your job.

411
00:18:51,550 --> 00:18:52,940
Do you enjoy it?

412
00:18:54,060 --> 00:18:57,940
Well,
I'm invited to every premiere.

413
00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:00,680
I'm at every awards ceremony.

414
00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:03,980
I get to walk the red
carpet alongside the stars.

415
00:19:04,090 --> 00:19:08,270
I get to visit the sets of
all my favourite TV shows,

416
00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:09,530
sitting in the corner.

417
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:12,480
Watching these...

418
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,960
..amazing things.

419
00:19:17,410 --> 00:19:21,180
And... I've got nothing
to do with any of it.

420
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,360
He's right.

421
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,760
I'm the loneliest
woman in the world.

422
00:19:27,790 --> 00:19:29,730
So, Paula, how's the play going?

423
00:19:29,890 --> 00:19:31,100
It's a piece of shit, honey.

424
00:19:31,130 --> 00:19:32,530
What theatre are you in?

425
00:19:32,610 --> 00:19:35,640
the Trafalgar Studios,
that's West End, right?

426
00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:37,470
Yes, technically.

427
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:41,070
- Who's directing it?
- Nobody, that's the problem.

428
00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:42,780
But we'll get through it.

429
00:19:42,810 --> 00:19:44,500
That's what we do.

430
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:47,370
So, um, I've just been
speaking to your agent.

431
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,720
She said she did send through
a link to the viewing portal.

432
00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:51,490
That's right.

433
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,680
She also gave you some notes
about each of the nominees.

434
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,140
What are you getting at, Giles?

435
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:59,040
Shit, or get off the pot.

436
00:19:59,070 --> 00:20:02,230
Just that it is a requirement, as
per the declaration you signed,

437
00:20:02,260 --> 00:20:05,270
that you have actually watched
the performances we're discussing.

438
00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:06,680
Don't worry about that.

439
00:20:06,850 --> 00:20:08,480
I know all these bitches.

440
00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:11,370
I don't know who they are,
but they're types.

441
00:20:11,910 --> 00:20:15,290
The star, the dame, the girl
next door, and the ingenue.

442
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,310
- I don't think...
- Honey, I vote in the Academy Awards.

443
00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:21,790
I picked the best film nine
times in the past ten years,

444
00:20:21,850 --> 00:20:24,590
and I've never seen a
motherfucking one of those movies.

445
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,950
So trust me, hmm?

446
00:20:28,550 --> 00:20:29,790
I got this.

447
00:20:31,790 --> 00:20:34,140
I've just bumped
into Wayne Sleep.

448
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:39,150
He's on the panel for Reality and
Constructed Factual, whatever that is.

449
00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:39,930
I'll tell you what that is.

450
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,320
That is a continuing drama without the
need of a scriptwriter, apparently.

451
00:20:44,350 --> 00:20:46,220
It's like improv,
with real people.

452
00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:49,030
What, you mean they give you
an award for eavesdropping?

453
00:20:49,180 --> 00:20:50,380
I'm afraid so, yeah.

454
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,170
Right, well,
shall we all reconvene?

455
00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:57,560
I just want to remind
everybody of the categories.

456
00:20:57,590 --> 00:21:01,540
This is Best Performance by
an Actress in a Leading Role.

457
00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:03,950
Now, do we feel like we
are perhaps in a position

458
00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:07,080
to eliminate a couple of the candidates,
turn it into a two-horse race?

459
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:10,410
Absolutely. Ditch the two younger
ones, it's too soon for them.

460
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,950
It'll only screw
up their careers.

461
00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:13,190
That's the spirit, Paula.

462
00:21:13,220 --> 00:21:16,220
You were never one for sending
the lift back down, were you?

463
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:18,310
Fuck that, they can use
the stairs, like I did.

464
00:21:18,340 --> 00:21:21,530
Anyone else agree that we
should lose Kelly and Anna?

465
00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:23,270
Anna, yes. Kelly, no.

466
00:21:23,300 --> 00:21:25,420
I dunno, I like them all.

467
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,680
It's so hard, isn't it?

468
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:28,730
Well, can we all at least
agree on keeping Shona?

469
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,980
Everyone seemed to like her.

470
00:21:30,010 --> 00:21:34,050
Er, yes, just looking at some of
the comments, she was "truthful",

471
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,250
it was "a remarkable performance",
someone said she stole their heart.

472
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,780
I think we all
know who that was.

473
00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:41,760
Jackie said she's always
brilliant in every part she plays.

474
00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:43,110
Yep, again, anointed.

475
00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:45,800
She's brilliant in everything, she
also wins awards for everything.

476
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:47,630
She won for Best Actress
last year, didn't she?

477
00:21:47,660 --> 00:21:49,890
She did, but that must
not affect our decision.

478
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,840
Wait a minute,
she won last year?

479
00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:54,290
I didn't know that.
Well, that changes everything.

480
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,590
Yeah, and if I remember rightly,
she was hardly in it.

481
00:21:56,620 --> 00:22:00,910
She won it because she's Shona Andrews
and it is completely unacceptable

482
00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:03,290
to not give her an award if she's
been in a programme that year.

483
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,300
Oh come on, that's not fair, she wins
because she's an exceptional talent.

484
00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:09,400
I'm not denying that, but equally
my heart would sink a little bit

485
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:11,760
if I was watching this on
telly and she gets up again.

486
00:22:11,790 --> 00:22:13,860
- He's got a point.
- I agree, it's too much.

487
00:22:13,890 --> 00:22:15,030
Oh, guys, this is rubbish.

488
00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:19,600
All I am saying is can we be the jury
that doesn't just hand the award to

489
00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:22,280
Shona Andrews
simply for existing?

490
00:22:22,380 --> 00:22:23,860
Well, let's take a vote.

491
00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:27,740
All those in favour of
removing Shona from the list.

492
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,840
Well, that's a majority.

493
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:37,330
Shona is off the list.

494
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,360
Though still a very great
honour to be nominated.

495
00:22:43,030 --> 00:22:46,060
Right, if we could lose one
more, that would be great.

496
00:22:46,350 --> 00:22:49,550
let's recap what
was said about Anna.

497
00:22:50,110 --> 00:22:52,500
Rupert wasn't impressed,
thought she was another mumbler.

498
00:22:52,530 --> 00:22:55,280
Clive said she was fantastic,
great authenticity.

499
00:22:55,310 --> 00:22:57,030
Gordon thought she
was out of her depth.

500
00:22:57,060 --> 00:22:59,190
Clive then changed his mind
and agreed with Gordon.

501
00:22:59,220 --> 00:23:02,000
- I'm allowed.
- Yeah, she's gone, let's wrap this up.

502
00:23:02,030 --> 00:23:04,730
You can't hurry this, these
are such important decisions.

503
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,660
Yeah, cos I can't wait to find
out who won Constructed Reality

504
00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:10,280
Right, well,
let's put it this way, then.

505
00:23:10,510 --> 00:23:13,510
Does anybody think Anna
gave the best performance?

506
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:21,690
In that case, she's another worthy
nominee, but not our winner.

507
00:23:22,170 --> 00:23:24,190
So, it comes down to these two.

508
00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:29,580
Dame Dorothy, "A national treasure",
"Twinkly", stole Paula's heart,

509
00:23:29,610 --> 00:23:32,070
and Kelly also
stole Paula's heart.

510
00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,300
- They all did.
- "Very moving",

511
00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:37,250
"Flat-chested" -
not sure that's really relevant.

512
00:23:37,570 --> 00:23:40,990
A bit soapy, perhaps, but - and
this is very important, I think -

513
00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:43,380
she did make Jackie
and her mum cry.

514
00:23:43,410 --> 00:23:45,710
Well, that just about nails it,
then.

515
00:23:45,740 --> 00:23:49,370
So, can we take a quick show of hands,
just to get the temperature of the room?

516
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,270
All those for Kelly.

517
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:56,630
And for Dame Dorothy?

518
00:23:58,630 --> 00:24:00,540
So, both ladies have
three votes each.

519
00:24:00,570 --> 00:24:03,340
Oh, Jesus Christ,
I just requested my Uber.

520
00:24:03,370 --> 00:24:06,570
Can we not call them ladies,
please? It's really patronising.

521
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,370
- What are they then, kangaroos?
- They're actors.

522
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,270
- Well, actresses.
- I don't like that either.

523
00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,310
OK, you know what? I switch.

524
00:24:13,340 --> 00:24:15,140
- Sorry?
- Who did I vote for?

525
00:24:15,170 --> 00:24:16,600
Just change it to the other one.

526
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:20,220
All right, so now it's four
to Kelly and two to Dorothy.

527
00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:21,850
You can't do that,
Paula, that's unfair.

528
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,430
Watch me.

529
00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:25,670
Well, hold on, if she's changing to
Kelly, I'm changing to Dame Dotty.

530
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:27,950
- Oh, for goodness' sake.
- So, it's back to three-all.

531
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:29,550
Yes,
I switch to Dorothy as well.

532
00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:32,780
Now that's four to
Dorothy and two to Kelly.

533
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:35,440
For God's sake, Clive, will
you stand on your own two feet?

534
00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:37,000
- But I'm agreeing with you.
- Well, don't.

535
00:24:37,030 --> 00:24:38,710
I'm not going to do your script,
OK?

536
00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:41,130
- What?
- Blood Oranges, I read it last night.

537
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,730
It's just a rehash of Spooks,
it's shit.

538
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,810
Well, which bit? I'll change it.

539
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,480
- All of it.
- Well, I switch to Kelly, then.

540
00:24:46,590 --> 00:24:47,980
You have to respect the process.

541
00:24:48,010 --> 00:24:49,590
And it's three-all again.

542
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:51,470
Can we just do the final vote,
please?

543
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:53,210
Khalid is two minutes away.

544
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,860
Why don't you just
give it to Dotty?

545
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:55,920
I thought you already had.

546
00:24:55,950 --> 00:24:57,370
Exactly,
his vote shouldn't be counted.

547
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,400
Oh, yes, so that's two to
Dorothy and three to Kelly.

548
00:25:00,430 --> 00:25:02,260
What a load of bollocks.

549
00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:05,860
If you don't want the professional
opinion, 50 years' experience,

550
00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:10,540
you may as well ask some witless
couch potato who they want to win.

551
00:25:10,570 --> 00:25:12,400
Well, we do have Jackie with us.

552
00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:16,340
Jackie, is there anything you'd
like to add to the debate?

553
00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:19,270
No, it's all right.

554
00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:21,240
Every opinion is valid.

555
00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:22,540
Even yours.

556
00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:29,970
I'm not clever like all of you.

557
00:25:31,270 --> 00:25:34,780
I didn't realise you had to think
about all these other outside things,

558
00:25:34,810 --> 00:25:39,660
like how old they are, or how
many other awards they've won...

559
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:42,620
..Or who's popular
in the industry.

560
00:25:43,810 --> 00:25:48,330
It's not fair on the ladies -
sorry, the actors -

561
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:51,280
to have someone like
me passing judgment.

562
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:55,230
I think I'm just going to go and leave
you all to it, if you don't mind.

563
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,200
I've made a fool of myself.
I'm so sorry.

564
00:26:10,190 --> 00:26:13,240
Well, that's what happens
when you invite the public.

565
00:26:19,570 --> 00:26:23,820
Right, erm, shall we dish
out the electronic devices?

566
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:28,370
Remember, these will
lock in your final vote.

567
00:26:28,890 --> 00:26:32,250
As there are only five of you
left, there's no chance of a tie.

568
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,410
Well, I've got to go.

569
00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:42,420
It's been a pleasure.

570
00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:44,940
If you want a lousy
night at the theatre,

571
00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:47,380
come to the Trafalgar
Studios next month

572
00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:50,610
and help me drown my sorrows
in the bar afterwards.

573
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,290
Yes, I'd love to do that.

574
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,200
We should swap numbers.

575
00:26:58,610 --> 00:27:02,090
Well, I've got a screening
to get to, so, er...

576
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:04,950
Keep up the good work, everyone.

577
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,980
Can't wait to see
what you all do next.

578
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:12,450
Anyone fancy a swift debriefing session
down at the Coach and Horses? Gordon?

579
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,640
No, thanks.

580
00:27:13,670 --> 00:27:16,220
If Shona Andrews passes,
let's try Kelly Marsden.

581
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:18,760
I'll come. Er, I've not got
much cash on me at the moment.

582
00:27:18,790 --> 00:27:20,650
Typical bloody writer,
I'll treat you.

583
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,330
There's actually a
part in Blood Oranges

584
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:23,940
you would be perfect for,
if you wouldn't mind reading it.

585
00:27:23,970 --> 00:27:26,550
- Oh, yes? - It's a 30-year-old
Japanese woman at the moment,

586
00:27:26,580 --> 00:27:28,030
but I don't mind changing it...

587
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:54,290
Sorry, forgot my phone.

588
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,000
Oh, Jackie.

589
00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:58,920
I hope that wasn't
too bruising for you.

590
00:27:59,430 --> 00:28:03,160
These artistic types can be fairly
temperamental, as I'm sure you're aware.

591
00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:04,970
So, do you know who won?

592
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,700
Yes,
and I think you'll be satisfied.

593
00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:11,280
Let's just say they voted with their
hearts rather than their heads,

594
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:14,660
and part of that is down to you,
so well done.

595
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,920
Cheerio.

596
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,310
No, Giles.

597
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,640
It's because I'm
the best actress.

598
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,840
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