1 00:00:00,753 --> 00:00:03,841 Dead? It wasn't Martin! Cos he was... 2 00:00:03,867 --> 00:00:06,199 I said shut up, noisy bitch... 3 00:00:06,646 --> 00:00:09,876 - I don't want to get into trouble. - I don't want you to either. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,494 So should I lie, then? 5 00:00:11,504 --> 00:00:14,951 There was an Afghan family who had a long-running dispute with him. 6 00:00:14,961 --> 00:00:16,548 Really boiled over. 7 00:00:16,558 --> 00:00:18,688 You should start with the guy that interpreted for them. 8 00:00:18,698 --> 00:00:20,384 Hiya. 9 00:00:21,261 --> 00:00:22,298 Oh. 10 00:00:22,523 --> 00:00:25,876 All I have done is walk into my house, 11 00:00:25,886 --> 00:00:27,341 and I've found an illegal immigrant. 12 00:00:27,351 --> 00:00:28,870 And how many times? 13 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,206 It's not illegal for someone seeking asylum 14 00:00:31,231 --> 00:00:33,744 to cross the channel however they want to. 15 00:00:33,754 --> 00:00:36,273 I don't know what to say that will best allow you to forgive me. 16 00:00:36,283 --> 00:00:38,768 Just the truth, Debs. 17 00:00:38,778 --> 00:00:40,160 We did sleep together. 18 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,792 - Sorry. - It's just, I... 19 00:00:43,802 --> 00:00:44,773 Night, dollface. 20 00:00:44,783 --> 00:00:47,745 Can I just ask you if you ever thought your husband 21 00:00:47,755 --> 00:00:49,728 might have been having an affair? 22 00:00:49,738 --> 00:00:51,508 What the hell sort of question's that? 23 00:00:51,518 --> 00:00:54,514 A few months before he disappeared, he'd seen him with another woman. 24 00:00:54,524 --> 00:00:56,762 He said he'd introduced her to him as "Melinda". 25 00:00:56,772 --> 00:00:59,789 Cos a row that got out of hand about infidelity, 26 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:02,554 it's just about the oldest motive for murder there is. 27 00:01:02,947 --> 00:01:05,763 I don't know if they're listening to this, 28 00:01:05,773 --> 00:01:10,053 but don't say anything about Daddy. 29 00:01:10,063 --> 00:01:12,386 I would like to take my break now, please, 30 00:01:12,396 --> 00:01:14,160 so that I can get my story straight. 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,000 *CREDITS* 32 00:02:03,947 --> 00:02:05,765 I just find it rather hard 33 00:02:05,790 --> 00:02:08,454 to square Juliet Cooper's description of their relationship 34 00:02:08,464 --> 00:02:09,780 - with what Prentice told me. - Hm. 35 00:02:09,790 --> 00:02:11,688 - Ditto the bar manager. - Ditto her. 36 00:02:11,698 --> 00:02:12,839 Husbands and wives are allowed 37 00:02:12,849 --> 00:02:15,428 - to have different political opinions. - No way! 38 00:02:15,438 --> 00:02:17,448 But that diametrically opposed? 39 00:02:17,458 --> 00:02:20,197 Although we're assuming that Juliet's who she says she is. 40 00:02:20,207 --> 00:02:22,085 Yeah, I'm just asking if... 41 00:02:22,423 --> 00:02:26,465 maybe this was a toxic marriage, perhaps violent, perhaps coercive, 42 00:02:26,475 --> 00:02:28,383 that finally imploded? 43 00:02:28,393 --> 00:02:29,930 Where are we on his girlfriend? 44 00:02:29,955 --> 00:02:33,493 So, our Melinda, is Melinda Ricci. 45 00:02:33,503 --> 00:02:35,275 - Peachy Ricci? - Yeah. 46 00:02:35,285 --> 00:02:36,359 "Peachy"? 47 00:02:36,369 --> 00:02:39,093 She had a column in the Mail a few years back. 48 00:02:39,103 --> 00:02:41,550 She's like a BTEC kind of Katie Hopkins, 49 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:42,880 working for a cable channel now. 50 00:02:42,890 --> 00:02:45,483 You think that they met through this forum that Cooper set up? 51 00:02:45,493 --> 00:02:47,068 UK United, yes. 52 00:02:47,078 --> 00:02:50,097 Cooper is in the background of the viral video about the retweet. 53 00:02:50,224 --> 00:02:51,754 Do we have an address for her? 54 00:02:51,764 --> 00:02:54,279 Well, I spoke to an HR guy at BNC, her current employers. 55 00:02:54,289 --> 00:02:57,979 They're based in Docklands, but she dials in her contribution 56 00:02:57,989 --> 00:03:02,420 from her home about ten miles west of Cork, apparently. 57 00:03:02,753 --> 00:03:03,509 Hm. 58 00:03:03,854 --> 00:03:06,595 Er, OK. Contact regional Garda. 59 00:03:06,605 --> 00:03:10,090 See if they can get local plod down to set up a Zoom with her. 60 00:03:10,115 --> 00:03:12,625 And check if they have anything on her in their systems, too. 61 00:03:12,687 --> 00:03:13,418 Yeah. 62 00:03:13,428 --> 00:03:16,245 And as much background as you can find before we speak to her, please. 63 00:03:16,255 --> 00:03:17,426 Yeah, sure. 64 00:03:17,451 --> 00:03:19,489 - That's mad. - I know. 65 00:03:22,224 --> 00:03:24,584 So, you mentioned your dad earlier, Marty. 66 00:03:24,611 --> 00:03:26,601 Yes, I mentioned my dad earlier. 67 00:03:26,611 --> 00:03:28,601 I'm guessing he's always been a great support to you. 68 00:03:28,611 --> 00:03:31,232 - Mm. He has, yes. - So I'm wondering, 69 00:03:31,242 --> 00:03:34,966 did maybe your dad go and speak to Mr Cooper about the money? 70 00:03:36,189 --> 00:03:37,864 You OK, Marty? 71 00:03:38,534 --> 00:03:41,278 I-I'm fine, thank you for asking. 72 00:03:42,611 --> 00:03:44,870 Did he go and speak to Gerry for you? 73 00:03:45,247 --> 00:03:47,069 No, he never went to see Gerry. 74 00:03:47,310 --> 00:03:50,064 You seem a bit upset at these questions. 75 00:03:50,871 --> 00:03:52,031 Marty? 76 00:03:53,444 --> 00:03:56,601 Well, he couldn't go and see Gerry, could he? 77 00:03:56,611 --> 00:03:57,756 Why not? 78 00:03:58,011 --> 00:04:00,078 I think we should probably take a little break. 79 00:04:00,088 --> 00:04:01,729 Cos he was dead. 80 00:04:02,611 --> 00:04:04,916 Because Gerry made him be dead. 81 00:04:15,201 --> 00:04:17,134 Why am I even at that school, anyway? 82 00:04:17,390 --> 00:04:19,318 You're supposed to be a fucking socialist. 83 00:04:19,328 --> 00:04:22,458 Taylor, not this, not now... we'll miss your train. 84 00:04:22,468 --> 00:04:23,954 I loathe that school. 85 00:04:23,979 --> 00:04:26,462 I loathe everything it stands for, and you should too. 86 00:04:27,973 --> 00:04:29,735 Or is that all a lie as well? 87 00:04:35,434 --> 00:04:39,349 Gerry told me the vaccine was a plot to control us 88 00:04:39,586 --> 00:04:44,208 that contained micro-transmitters, and that we should not take it. 89 00:04:44,233 --> 00:04:45,605 When did he say this? 90 00:04:45,642 --> 00:04:47,745 Whenever I went to see him to get my money. 91 00:04:47,770 --> 00:04:49,760 Did he tell you not to take it? 92 00:04:49,770 --> 00:04:51,760 Yes, he told me not to take it. 93 00:04:51,770 --> 00:04:56,448 Did he suggest that your parents shouldn't take it, too? 94 00:04:56,810 --> 00:04:58,770 No, he didn't do that. 95 00:05:01,282 --> 00:05:02,442 I did that. 96 00:05:06,745 --> 00:05:10,646 But maybe you told your mum and dad not to take it 97 00:05:10,656 --> 00:05:14,027 - because of what he said to you? - Yes. 98 00:05:15,342 --> 00:05:16,638 Did they listen to you? 99 00:05:18,345 --> 00:05:22,760 My mum and dad were offered the vaccine at the end of January, 100 00:05:22,770 --> 00:05:26,130 and they, they refused it. 101 00:05:28,229 --> 00:05:32,155 On the second of February, Dad got COVID 102 00:05:32,181 --> 00:05:35,697 and was admitted to Dover Royal Hospital a week... 103 00:05:35,895 --> 00:05:37,781 a week later with 104 00:05:37,881 --> 00:05:40,663 severe respiratory difficulties. 105 00:05:41,962 --> 00:05:44,143 On the 19th of February, 106 00:05:44,976 --> 00:05:46,112 Dad died. 107 00:05:48,497 --> 00:05:50,349 All on his Jack Jones. 108 00:05:51,016 --> 00:05:53,570 Thomas Henry Baines was 76. 109 00:05:53,955 --> 00:05:55,827 I'm so sorry for your loss. 110 00:05:55,837 --> 00:05:57,349 We both are, Marty. 111 00:05:57,359 --> 00:05:59,725 He had a good innings, as they say. 112 00:06:01,478 --> 00:06:04,618 So... on top of the money... 113 00:06:06,372 --> 00:06:09,436 you now had the awful tragedy of your dad dying. 114 00:06:10,824 --> 00:06:12,275 Yes, this is correct. 115 00:06:12,285 --> 00:06:14,490 How did you feel about Gerry at this point? 116 00:06:15,460 --> 00:06:17,551 No good crying over spilt milk. 117 00:06:20,372 --> 00:06:21,596 Were you not angry with him? 118 00:06:24,372 --> 00:06:25,892 Because I'm wondering... 119 00:06:27,841 --> 00:06:32,564 I'm wondering if maybe you arranged to meet him somewhere on the 24th? 120 00:06:32,889 --> 00:06:33,892 No. 121 00:06:35,491 --> 00:06:39,202 Not to tell him about your dad? Not because you were angry? 122 00:06:39,212 --> 00:06:42,372 - No. - Maybe... Maybe you rowed? 123 00:06:43,372 --> 00:06:46,362 You know, er, maybe he'd pushed you again, 124 00:06:46,372 --> 00:06:48,362 and it all got out of control? 125 00:06:48,372 --> 00:06:52,877 No. No, no, no, no, no... 126 00:06:53,372 --> 00:06:55,362 I think he's answered your questions, 127 00:06:55,372 --> 00:06:58,372 so unless you've got any evidence you haven't mentioned, 128 00:06:58,642 --> 00:07:00,495 I think we bring this to a close. 129 00:07:07,773 --> 00:07:09,377 Let's RUI him for now and 130 00:07:09,387 --> 00:07:11,733 do somemore background on that arrest. 131 00:07:12,733 --> 00:07:13,733 We'd better head. 132 00:07:54,420 --> 00:07:55,574 Hey, Mel. 133 00:07:56,353 --> 00:07:58,136 Hey, Joseph. How you doing? 134 00:07:58,146 --> 00:08:00,723 - Good, thanks. You? - Er, yeah, I'm fine. 135 00:08:00,733 --> 00:08:02,113 How's your man doing? 136 00:08:02,427 --> 00:08:04,645 Slow but steady. 137 00:08:04,655 --> 00:08:06,920 Father Ryan being very supportive, I hear. 138 00:08:08,646 --> 00:08:10,163 How can I help you, Joseph? 139 00:08:10,673 --> 00:08:14,137 Had a call from a police officer in London wanting to speak to you 140 00:08:14,162 --> 00:08:17,517 about being a possible witness in a murder investigation. 141 00:08:17,637 --> 00:08:20,100 Wow. Murder of whom? 142 00:08:20,110 --> 00:08:22,197 A man called Gerard Cooper. 143 00:08:25,961 --> 00:08:27,735 Yeah, I-I knew Gerry. 144 00:08:28,692 --> 00:08:30,528 He-He went missing a few years back. 145 00:08:30,538 --> 00:08:32,027 Just before you came over here, they said. 146 00:08:32,052 --> 00:08:32,868 Right. 147 00:08:32,893 --> 00:08:35,501 They asked if you could make yourself available for a Zoom, 148 00:08:35,526 --> 00:08:36,868 tomorrow at four. 149 00:08:37,124 --> 00:08:40,021 Yeah. Yeah, I-I-I think I could do that. 150 00:08:40,031 --> 00:08:43,719 So just drop by the station, we'll take care of everything our end, 151 00:08:43,729 --> 00:08:45,325 and I'll sit in with you. 152 00:08:47,310 --> 00:08:49,789 I mean, do... do I need a lawyer? 153 00:08:49,799 --> 00:08:52,561 Entirely up to you. See you tomorrow. 154 00:09:00,377 --> 00:09:03,482 Oh, Murray's just forwarded me an email from the lettings agency. 155 00:09:04,124 --> 00:09:06,628 So, the lettings agent thinks police were called 156 00:09:06,638 --> 00:09:08,461 to the dispute she told him about. 157 00:09:08,471 --> 00:09:11,909 OK. So this guy Asif would remember that too, no? 158 00:09:22,233 --> 00:09:25,375 Look, these are absolutely top quality. 159 00:09:26,779 --> 00:09:29,938 From the same factory that makes the genuine article. 160 00:09:30,341 --> 00:09:32,969 And, er, the passport... 161 00:09:32,979 --> 00:09:34,769 how much? 162 00:09:34,779 --> 00:09:38,158 Well, the passport, driver's licence and the national insurance card 163 00:09:38,168 --> 00:09:39,769 I can do you for 7K. 164 00:09:39,779 --> 00:09:41,769 We do also offer finance options, 165 00:09:41,779 --> 00:09:43,779 if that was something you were interested in. 166 00:09:43,804 --> 00:09:46,039 A lot of people go for a five-year repayment schedule, 167 00:09:46,049 --> 00:09:47,769 which makes it very affordable. 168 00:09:47,779 --> 00:09:50,484 We're also happy to accept late-term payments if that worked better... 169 00:09:54,565 --> 00:09:56,413 Out the back now. Now! 170 00:09:56,779 --> 00:09:57,947 Now! 171 00:10:16,552 --> 00:10:19,552 - Hi. - Hi. Asif Syed? 172 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,806 Yes. 173 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:23,613 DCI Jess James, and this is DI Sunil Khan. 174 00:10:23,623 --> 00:10:25,661 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat? 175 00:10:25,779 --> 00:10:29,459 Er, yes, maybe. About what, please? 176 00:10:29,674 --> 00:10:31,870 It's in connection with a murder investigation. 177 00:10:31,895 --> 00:10:33,742 We think you might have known the victim. 178 00:10:34,254 --> 00:10:35,590 Who was the victim? 179 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,913 - Could we come in? - Yes. Yes, please, of course. 180 00:10:43,379 --> 00:10:45,148 It's the fucking Matrix, buddy. 181 00:10:45,158 --> 00:10:47,485 They're trying to shut your voice down cos you're a strong man. 182 00:10:47,665 --> 00:10:50,755 - So what do you need to do? - I need to be one step ahead, man. 183 00:10:50,779 --> 00:10:54,549 Be ahead or be dead, dude. Be ahead or be dead. 184 00:10:54,574 --> 00:10:59,574 Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. 185 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:03,205 Ahead or be dead. Ahead or be dead. 186 00:11:06,648 --> 00:11:07,979 Ahead or be dead. 187 00:11:30,439 --> 00:11:33,323 This is him. Name of Gerard Cooper. 188 00:11:39,265 --> 00:11:41,481 Yes, I... I think I remember him. 189 00:11:41,779 --> 00:11:44,779 And what do you think your connection to him was? 190 00:11:45,619 --> 00:11:47,734 I work as an interpreter. 191 00:11:47,911 --> 00:11:49,060 And back then, 192 00:11:49,085 --> 00:11:52,831 I worked with tenants whose rent was being paid by the council. 193 00:11:52,841 --> 00:11:55,868 Er... I think he was one of the landlords. 194 00:11:57,448 --> 00:12:00,977 - Erm... what council was that? - Thamesford. 195 00:12:01,125 --> 00:12:03,796 OK. And can you remember specifically 196 00:12:03,806 --> 00:12:06,385 when you might have encountered Mr Cooper? 197 00:12:07,909 --> 00:12:10,936 - I would have to check. - OK. Roughly, then? 198 00:12:10,946 --> 00:12:14,579 I think maybe it was early on in the pandemic. 199 00:12:14,589 --> 00:12:15,696 Maybe the first year. 200 00:12:15,706 --> 00:12:19,216 I have a vague recollection of some COVID-related issues. 201 00:12:19,566 --> 00:12:23,218 - OK, so it was 2020. - Yes. 202 00:12:23,508 --> 00:12:27,125 Do you have any recollection of what he was like? 203 00:12:28,917 --> 00:12:32,356 Er, I mean... I must've met dozens of landlords 204 00:12:32,366 --> 00:12:34,141 in the three or four years I was in London. 205 00:12:34,151 --> 00:12:39,225 Because the agency that managed his portfolio said he was quite tricky. 206 00:12:40,161 --> 00:12:42,330 - Did they? - You don't remember that? 207 00:12:43,212 --> 00:12:44,807 I remember, erm... 208 00:12:45,861 --> 00:12:48,577 he wasn't very good at maintaining his properties. 209 00:12:48,853 --> 00:12:50,125 The agency said that. 210 00:12:50,971 --> 00:12:53,258 - Anything else? - Erm... 211 00:12:54,591 --> 00:12:58,036 - He could be... quite aggressive. - With you? 212 00:12:58,282 --> 00:13:02,973 With the tenants, who obviously were often very vulnerable people. 213 00:13:02,983 --> 00:13:05,944 - And physically aggressive? - No. I never saw that. 214 00:13:05,954 --> 00:13:09,732 Because we have an agent who gave us details of several cases where... 215 00:13:10,085 --> 00:13:12,261 disputes had blown up. 216 00:13:12,809 --> 00:13:14,250 One in particular, 217 00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:17,590 which was a family of asylum seekers from Herat, 218 00:13:17,895 --> 00:13:19,649 where it had turned violent. 219 00:13:19,659 --> 00:13:22,260 - Which family? - The Dowari family. 220 00:13:23,111 --> 00:13:24,651 Dowari... 221 00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:28,971 As I say, I must've dealt with many dozens of cases. 222 00:13:30,386 --> 00:13:31,919 Most of them were fractious. 223 00:13:31,929 --> 00:13:34,372 Except the police were called to this one. 224 00:13:34,382 --> 00:13:37,579 It was a dispute about a chronic damp problem. 225 00:13:37,589 --> 00:13:40,853 The family had a toddler, a newborn. 226 00:13:40,863 --> 00:13:42,479 It was making them all sick. 227 00:13:42,489 --> 00:13:45,567 The police getting involved wasn't that rare, sadly. 228 00:13:45,592 --> 00:13:46,433 OK. 229 00:13:46,664 --> 00:13:51,257 Quite a distinctive case, but you've no memory of that at all? 230 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,555 They all just merge into one. 231 00:13:54,773 --> 00:13:56,136 - Sorry. - No worries. 232 00:13:56,146 --> 00:14:00,305 And when was the last time you think you might've seen Mr Cooper? 233 00:14:01,647 --> 00:14:06,175 My contract with the council ended in September 2020, 234 00:14:06,185 --> 00:14:08,193 so not after that. 235 00:14:08,605 --> 00:14:10,009 - Right. - And, erm... 236 00:14:10,019 --> 00:14:13,503 Do you mind me asking what your nationality is, Asif? 237 00:14:14,132 --> 00:14:16,156 I hope to very soon be British. 238 00:14:16,267 --> 00:14:18,663 Oh. Well, good for you. 239 00:14:18,673 --> 00:14:21,085 And welcome. This can be a fabulous country. 240 00:14:21,262 --> 00:14:23,611 Yes, it can. And thank you. 241 00:14:23,621 --> 00:14:25,869 - And before that, where are you from? - Afghanistan. 242 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:29,197 OK. Well, that must have been tough, 243 00:14:29,207 --> 00:14:31,645 to see your fellow countrymen and countrywomen, 244 00:14:32,076 --> 00:14:35,728 vulnerable people, being mistreated often by this man. 245 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:37,521 Of course. 246 00:14:39,190 --> 00:14:41,498 Did it make you angry, or...? 247 00:14:47,864 --> 00:14:51,870 If I got angry every time I saw a refugee being treated badly... 248 00:14:52,665 --> 00:14:54,898 I'd be living in a permanent state of rage, 249 00:14:55,535 --> 00:14:56,601 DI Khan. 250 00:15:00,665 --> 00:15:01,979 Thanks for your time. 251 00:15:08,339 --> 00:15:10,791 I think we need more detail on this Dowari case. 252 00:15:10,816 --> 00:15:11,860 Mm-hm. 253 00:15:16,665 --> 00:15:18,884 - Sam... - Who was that? 254 00:15:19,184 --> 00:15:21,772 Social services. They wanted some gen on a client. 255 00:15:25,975 --> 00:15:29,029 - Can... Can we talk, please? - Sure. 256 00:15:34,665 --> 00:15:40,043 Yeah, so, if Hassan moves out after he comes home from work today, and... 257 00:15:40,981 --> 00:15:44,665 if you can minimise any future contact with him, then... 258 00:15:46,444 --> 00:15:48,847 yeah, I'm happy to just move on. 259 00:15:51,885 --> 00:15:55,039 And if I don't agree to that? 260 00:15:56,264 --> 00:15:57,307 OK, why... 261 00:15:57,317 --> 00:16:00,455 why do you immediately have to turn this into a conflict? 262 00:16:00,665 --> 00:16:02,876 Says the man who's just given me an ultimatum. 263 00:16:02,901 --> 00:16:04,387 - No. It's not an ultimatum. - No. 264 00:16:04,411 --> 00:16:07,123 You're not going to hold a gun to my head 265 00:16:07,221 --> 00:16:09,812 because I did right by a man who saved your life 266 00:16:09,837 --> 00:16:11,735 - on at least two occasions. - OK. Asif... 267 00:16:11,745 --> 00:16:14,433 And you know what really winds me up? 268 00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:19,478 It's that you think you can do this. 269 00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:21,715 Do what? 270 00:16:21,725 --> 00:16:24,369 Just tell me how it's going to be. 271 00:16:24,979 --> 00:16:27,732 You don't even consider the idea of finding another way through. 272 00:16:27,742 --> 00:16:30,837 No. Is that not exactly what we're trying to do right now? 273 00:16:31,111 --> 00:16:33,641 What, telling me what's going to happen? 274 00:16:35,293 --> 00:16:36,531 Not really, Sam. 275 00:16:40,031 --> 00:16:41,862 I'll play by the same rules. 276 00:16:44,610 --> 00:16:45,610 No. 277 00:16:47,417 --> 00:16:49,095 Hassan's not going anywhere. 278 00:16:53,021 --> 00:16:53,936 But... 279 00:16:54,753 --> 00:16:56,327 this is my house. 280 00:16:58,624 --> 00:17:00,317 Then call the police. 281 00:17:12,417 --> 00:17:15,125 I mean, I never really believed him. 282 00:17:17,184 --> 00:17:19,787 But there was always just enough ambiguity 283 00:17:19,812 --> 00:17:21,952 to make me think we could get through it. 284 00:17:23,532 --> 00:17:24,910 Except now... 285 00:17:27,812 --> 00:17:29,526 if he could have done that... 286 00:17:31,434 --> 00:17:32,618 he could do anything. 287 00:17:37,692 --> 00:17:39,993 - So? - So... 288 00:17:45,771 --> 00:17:47,109 What do I do? 289 00:17:50,783 --> 00:17:53,773 So, digging into the Marty Baines' caution 290 00:17:53,783 --> 00:17:55,783 and it gets interesting. 291 00:17:56,783 --> 00:18:01,145 In 2016, he studied a foundation course in computer programming 292 00:18:01,170 --> 00:18:04,457 at the University of Ramsgate, but eight months in, 293 00:18:04,467 --> 00:18:07,827 he's asked to leave after he starts to regularly pick the locks 294 00:18:07,837 --> 00:18:11,672 of the rooms of his fellow students in his halls and enter their rooms. 295 00:18:11,682 --> 00:18:12,426 Right. 296 00:18:12,451 --> 00:18:14,067 Now, he's not trying to steal anything. 297 00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:15,711 They're just coming back from the pub at night 298 00:18:15,721 --> 00:18:18,718 to find Marty sitting on their beds in their rooms. 299 00:18:18,728 --> 00:18:19,807 - Jesus. - Mm. 300 00:18:19,817 --> 00:18:21,349 - Male or female? - Both. 301 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,897 Not at all scary. 302 00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:25,795 And how many times did this happen? 303 00:18:26,130 --> 00:18:28,054 Well, the university weren't really sure. 304 00:18:28,064 --> 00:18:30,728 Some students thought that maybe they had forgotten 305 00:18:30,753 --> 00:18:31,916 to lock their rooms 306 00:18:31,971 --> 00:18:34,751 and so treated it more like Marty wandering in uninvited 307 00:18:34,761 --> 00:18:36,225 and so didn't report it. 308 00:18:36,235 --> 00:18:39,208 But there are three formal cases. 309 00:18:39,218 --> 00:18:40,588 Was there ever any violence? 310 00:18:40,613 --> 00:18:43,433 Not from him, and not from any of the other students, 311 00:18:43,443 --> 00:18:45,562 until the last incident. 312 00:18:45,939 --> 00:18:47,282 Which was? 313 00:18:47,292 --> 00:18:50,760 So, one bloke comes back from the pub, pissed up, 314 00:18:50,770 --> 00:18:53,962 to find Marty in his room and kind of loses it. 315 00:18:53,972 --> 00:18:55,285 Calls him all kinds of stuff, 316 00:18:55,625 --> 00:18:57,937 which ends up with Marty trying to strangle him. 317 00:18:57,947 --> 00:19:00,080 Whoa. What, like, properly strangle? 318 00:19:00,090 --> 00:19:02,719 Yeah. He has to be pulled away by the guy's mates. 319 00:19:02,729 --> 00:19:05,213 - Takes three of them, apparently. - Wow. 320 00:19:05,223 --> 00:19:06,732 How come he only got a caution? 321 00:19:06,742 --> 00:19:08,777 So, the student didn't wanna pursue anything. 322 00:19:08,787 --> 00:19:10,423 He admitted to the investigating officer 323 00:19:10,433 --> 00:19:13,399 that he'd used "inappropriate language about disability" 324 00:19:13,409 --> 00:19:15,559 and was scared it was gonna be brought up in court. 325 00:19:15,569 --> 00:19:19,201 Mm. And do we know why Marty was doing this? 326 00:19:19,211 --> 00:19:23,267 He said he was just looking for a friend to talk to. 327 00:19:24,734 --> 00:19:27,120 In terms of any potential link to violence, 328 00:19:27,130 --> 00:19:30,443 I've just received the evidence list for the assault on Cooper 329 00:19:30,453 --> 00:19:33,208 - in his pub car park. - Oh, yeah? What we got? 330 00:19:33,218 --> 00:19:35,975 Well, we've got Cooper's sweatshirt, and they've taken DNA off it, 331 00:19:35,985 --> 00:19:38,990 - so we've material for comparison. - Nice one, thanks. 332 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,399 So, Melinda Ricci. Tell me stuff. 333 00:19:43,008 --> 00:19:46,234 OK, so, born in 1978 334 00:19:46,244 --> 00:19:48,673 in a small market town in Surrey. 335 00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:51,600 Went to a local Catholic girls' school, got decent As. 336 00:19:51,610 --> 00:19:53,762 Went to Rochester uni to study marketing, 337 00:19:53,772 --> 00:19:55,815 then enlisted in the Navy. 338 00:19:55,825 --> 00:20:00,224 Served four years and left in 2005 following a disciplinary issue 339 00:20:00,234 --> 00:20:01,538 involving a fellow officer. 340 00:20:01,548 --> 00:20:03,037 A fellow Muslim officer. 341 00:20:03,517 --> 00:20:05,511 She then started her own green beauty business 342 00:20:05,521 --> 00:20:08,238 which gained the attention of some red-tops 343 00:20:08,248 --> 00:20:11,321 following an advertising campaign she herself featured in. 344 00:20:11,756 --> 00:20:15,337 After the 2008 crash, the business went bankrupt, 345 00:20:15,347 --> 00:20:17,156 and she lost her home and had to rent. 346 00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:19,943 And it was a bad experience with an Asian landlord, 347 00:20:20,382 --> 00:20:25,328 prompting this online rant which gained half-a-million views, 348 00:20:25,338 --> 00:20:29,525 erm, got her an invitation to write an article for the Mail 349 00:20:29,688 --> 00:20:31,682 which went down so well, it led to a weekly column. 350 00:20:31,692 --> 00:20:33,906 - What sort of column? - Opinions. 351 00:20:33,916 --> 00:20:36,323 - Of which, you know, she has a lot. - On? 352 00:20:36,333 --> 00:20:38,756 Er, recurring themes include 353 00:20:38,766 --> 00:20:41,981 immigration, benefit cheats, the EU, 354 00:20:42,351 --> 00:20:47,412 erm... anti-abortion stuff, arming the police, 355 00:20:47,422 --> 00:20:50,503 all as self-styled "Sister Mel". 356 00:20:50,513 --> 00:20:54,124 Ah. She's not a real nun, right? 357 00:20:54,134 --> 00:20:57,689 She spent six months in a convent in Wicklow in 2009, actually. 358 00:20:57,699 --> 00:20:58,377 Ah. 359 00:20:58,402 --> 00:21:00,002 And the column ran from when to when? 360 00:21:00,012 --> 00:21:01,716 2015 to 2020, 361 00:21:01,726 --> 00:21:04,219 but she also wrote for pretty much every red-top 362 00:21:04,229 --> 00:21:07,536 and also started popping up on breakfast TV guest spots. 363 00:21:07,546 --> 00:21:11,347 And when was that Boris Johnson retweet, post thing? 364 00:21:11,357 --> 00:21:13,526 October 2016. 365 00:21:13,536 --> 00:21:14,870 Do we know why she moved to Ireland? 366 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,670 No, just that she went there in 2021. 367 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,485 - OK, thanks, Fran. Right, shall we? - Mm. 368 00:21:27,130 --> 00:21:28,432 Jesus. 369 00:21:38,509 --> 00:21:40,516 - What are you doing? - Eating a sandwich. 370 00:21:40,526 --> 00:21:43,615 - What are you doing here? - I didn't wanna go back. 371 00:21:44,854 --> 00:21:46,214 You have to go back. 372 00:21:46,453 --> 00:21:48,322 - I really don't. - Yes, you do. 373 00:21:48,332 --> 00:21:50,205 If you still hate it at the end of this year, 374 00:21:50,215 --> 00:21:52,070 then we can talk about moving you, but right now, 375 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,023 - I need you to just grow... - Was it you? 376 00:21:54,048 --> 00:21:55,450 Was what me? 377 00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:01,376 Who killed Dad? 378 00:22:03,401 --> 00:22:04,330 What? 379 00:22:06,330 --> 00:22:07,330 Was it? 380 00:22:10,064 --> 00:22:12,596 - How can you even ask me that? - Well, you haven't said no. 381 00:22:17,822 --> 00:22:18,822 No. 382 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:22,712 It wasn't me. 383 00:22:24,196 --> 00:22:25,557 You don't seem that sure. 384 00:22:25,567 --> 00:22:27,636 I'm very sure, 385 00:22:27,646 --> 00:22:31,506 I'm just in shock that you could even think that. 386 00:22:32,128 --> 00:22:35,650 No. A thousand times, no. 387 00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:36,775 No. 388 00:22:40,409 --> 00:22:42,409 Have you told the police about the row that night? 389 00:22:44,890 --> 00:22:45,890 What row? 390 00:22:47,623 --> 00:22:49,121 Do you think I don't remember? 391 00:22:50,791 --> 00:22:52,547 I remember it all. 392 00:22:52,915 --> 00:22:54,689 Very clearly, Mum. 393 00:22:57,709 --> 00:22:59,589 It was just one of our rows. 394 00:23:01,327 --> 00:23:04,223 OK? Nothing more. 395 00:23:04,233 --> 00:23:08,089 I would never have hurt your father, Tay, never. 396 00:23:12,255 --> 00:23:14,820 But I do want you to promise me something. 397 00:23:15,186 --> 00:23:16,148 What? 398 00:23:16,158 --> 00:23:19,474 I want you to promise me that you will never mention that row, 399 00:23:19,484 --> 00:23:22,088 or, in fact, any of the others to the police. 400 00:23:22,945 --> 00:23:23,870 Why? 401 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,881 Because they will almost certainly come to all the wrong conclusions, 402 00:23:26,891 --> 00:23:28,890 and it's... it's just not worth it. 403 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,889 Will you promise me that? 404 00:23:35,822 --> 00:23:37,142 There's, erm... 405 00:23:40,195 --> 00:23:41,195 There's... 406 00:23:42,195 --> 00:23:45,018 something I've never told you. 407 00:23:57,033 --> 00:23:58,936 So, thanks for taking the time to speak to us. 408 00:23:58,961 --> 00:24:00,096 No problem at all. 409 00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:03,497 Can I dive straight in, Melinda, and ask you how you knew Mr Cooper? 410 00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:07,541 Sure. Erm... 411 00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:11,601 I met him initially at a political thing he'd started. 412 00:24:11,779 --> 00:24:14,260 - This was UK United? - Yes. 413 00:24:14,589 --> 00:24:16,048 So, when was that exactly? 414 00:24:16,058 --> 00:24:19,946 Er, that would have been... late 2015, I guess. 415 00:24:19,956 --> 00:24:22,516 And you hit it off straight away? 416 00:24:22,779 --> 00:24:24,517 Yeah, kind of. 417 00:24:25,054 --> 00:24:28,583 We shared a similar outlook on the world, sense of humour. 418 00:24:28,779 --> 00:24:31,050 Neither of us were afraid to call it as we saw it. 419 00:24:31,075 --> 00:24:33,115 And you became friends, would you say? 420 00:24:33,807 --> 00:24:36,807 - Yes. Briefly. - "Briefly"? 421 00:24:38,336 --> 00:24:39,569 Yeah, we... 422 00:24:40,170 --> 00:24:43,025 ran into each other a few times over the next few months. 423 00:24:43,336 --> 00:24:46,399 I think I might have had a lunch with him once. 424 00:24:46,424 --> 00:24:49,629 Right. So it didn't develop into anything more? 425 00:24:49,639 --> 00:24:50,814 Like what? 426 00:24:50,824 --> 00:24:53,195 - Like a romantic relationship. - 'No.' 427 00:24:53,971 --> 00:24:55,017 Right. 428 00:24:55,424 --> 00:24:58,838 Because we spoke to a witness who suggested it did. 429 00:24:59,002 --> 00:25:00,026 What witness? 430 00:25:00,036 --> 00:25:02,903 An old friend of his who ran into you both 431 00:25:02,913 --> 00:25:06,252 in a pub in Aldgate in 2020. 432 00:25:07,604 --> 00:25:10,527 Well, that was then. 433 00:25:10,892 --> 00:25:13,261 Sorry, I'm confused. Are you saying that you did have 434 00:25:13,271 --> 00:25:15,320 a relationship with him, or you didn't? 435 00:25:15,439 --> 00:25:18,244 Yes... I did. 436 00:25:18,479 --> 00:25:21,477 A very brief one, just not when you were saying. 437 00:25:21,791 --> 00:25:24,710 My question didn't actually specify a timeframe, 438 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,873 but that's... that's fine. 439 00:25:25,883 --> 00:25:29,210 So, erm, spell it out nice and clearly for us. 440 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:30,940 When did you two get together? 441 00:25:31,613 --> 00:25:34,220 Erm... Summer of 2020, 442 00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:35,985 just as things were opening up again. 443 00:25:36,324 --> 00:25:38,651 And when you say "brief"...? 444 00:25:39,236 --> 00:25:42,473 Erm, just a few weeks, two months at the most. 445 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:44,620 And did his wife know about this? 446 00:25:45,037 --> 00:25:46,416 I've no idea. 447 00:25:46,716 --> 00:25:50,554 But you think you weren't seeing him in February 2021? 448 00:25:50,579 --> 00:25:51,353 No. 449 00:25:51,363 --> 00:25:53,264 But you were still living in the UK at this point? 450 00:25:53,274 --> 00:25:54,061 Yes. 451 00:25:54,086 --> 00:25:56,100 So, when exactly did you move to Ireland? 452 00:25:56,125 --> 00:25:58,324 Early March, 2021. 453 00:25:58,518 --> 00:25:59,408 OK. 454 00:25:59,418 --> 00:26:00,882 So, just a couple of weeks after he disappeared. 455 00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:02,570 I obviously had no idea about that. 456 00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:04,406 - You didn't know he'd gone missing? - No. 457 00:26:04,416 --> 00:26:05,473 So, when did you find out? 458 00:26:05,499 --> 00:26:08,524 A mutual friend told me months later. 459 00:26:08,769 --> 00:26:10,890 - How? - Er, they messaged me, I think. 460 00:26:11,024 --> 00:26:13,340 Hm. Can you forward that to us? 461 00:26:13,738 --> 00:26:16,284 Er, actually, no. Wait, I... Er... 462 00:26:18,032 --> 00:26:19,642 It might have been a call. 463 00:26:20,715 --> 00:26:24,194 OK, er, well, think we'll come back to that. 464 00:26:24,424 --> 00:26:26,788 And what prompted the move to Ireland? 465 00:26:27,636 --> 00:26:31,378 Erm... I used to come on holiday here as a kid. 466 00:26:31,388 --> 00:26:33,117 My dad was born here. 467 00:26:33,461 --> 00:26:35,923 I was feeling a bit burned out from London, and then... 468 00:26:36,176 --> 00:26:38,248 when I got offered the job with BNC, 469 00:26:38,258 --> 00:26:41,968 I could do that from anywhere, so... Change as good as a rest. 470 00:26:41,978 --> 00:26:44,575 And so when do you think was the last time you might have seen him? 471 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,196 Oh, maybe, erm... 472 00:26:47,552 --> 00:26:51,000 October, November, 2020. 473 00:26:51,083 --> 00:26:53,488 So, this was just as your relationship was coming to an end? 474 00:26:53,513 --> 00:26:55,978 - Yes. - And how did it end? 475 00:26:56,003 --> 00:26:58,016 Oh, just fizzled out, really. 476 00:26:58,026 --> 00:26:59,536 - No rows? - No. 477 00:26:59,598 --> 00:27:01,054 - No fights? - No. 478 00:27:01,134 --> 00:27:03,153 Because we do have a fair amount of evidence 479 00:27:03,163 --> 00:27:05,310 to suggest he could get violent. 480 00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:08,282 - Not with me. - OK. 481 00:27:08,663 --> 00:27:11,329 Erm... Were you aware of anyone 482 00:27:11,339 --> 00:27:13,561 that you'd come into contact with through him 483 00:27:13,571 --> 00:27:15,739 who might have wanted to do him harm? 484 00:27:16,252 --> 00:27:22,031 No. But, like I said, I didn't actually know him that well. 485 00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:23,980 Our lives weren't that intertwined. 486 00:27:24,477 --> 00:27:25,392 OK. 487 00:27:25,402 --> 00:27:29,443 And if we needed to know where you were on the 24th of February, 2021, 488 00:27:29,453 --> 00:27:31,572 would you be able to provide us with that information? 489 00:27:31,914 --> 00:27:33,017 I could try. 490 00:27:33,027 --> 00:27:34,700 - Any proof will do. - Sure. 491 00:27:34,725 --> 00:27:36,834 - Obviously, you have our email. - I do. 492 00:27:38,177 --> 00:27:41,634 OK. Anything else you'd like to add? 493 00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:43,659 Anything else you think might be relevant? 494 00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:46,714 - No. - OK. 495 00:27:47,144 --> 00:27:48,552 Thanks so much for your time. 496 00:27:48,577 --> 00:27:50,479 You're so welcome. You have a nice day. 497 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:51,842 'You too.' 498 00:28:00,499 --> 00:28:02,588 So, he was violent to her, yeah? 499 00:28:03,425 --> 00:28:04,659 100 %. 500 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:10,100 _ 501 00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,100 _ 502 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:20,000 _ 503 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,500 _ 504 00:29:31,057 --> 00:29:32,406 This site. 505 00:29:45,424 --> 00:29:47,720 OK, can everyone please stop what they are doing 506 00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:49,944 and stay exactly where they are. 507 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,683 We're officers of the Immigration Enforcement Agency, 508 00:29:52,693 --> 00:29:54,968 and we believe some of you working here today 509 00:29:54,978 --> 00:29:57,000 may be doing so illegally. 510 00:30:00,635 --> 00:30:03,481 - So, Martin Baines' phone... - Melinda Ricci emailed, 511 00:30:03,491 --> 00:30:06,214 - can't find the diaries for that year. - No way! 512 00:30:06,286 --> 00:30:09,672 - Just calling it as she sees it. - Sorry, Murray, carry on. 513 00:30:09,697 --> 00:30:11,138 - Sorry. - Martin Baines' phone records 514 00:30:11,163 --> 00:30:13,286 show multiple calls to a landline 515 00:30:13,296 --> 00:30:16,068 which has the same address as the Three Crowns pub. 516 00:30:16,078 --> 00:30:18,414 Also multiple texts to a Gerry, 517 00:30:18,424 --> 00:30:20,643 which are very angry and threatening in nature, 518 00:30:20,653 --> 00:30:22,940 but weirdly, they don't stop after the 24th. 519 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:23,990 Right. 520 00:30:24,015 --> 00:30:25,980 Although you'd do that if you were covering your tracks. 521 00:30:26,005 --> 00:30:26,947 Fair point. 522 00:30:26,957 --> 00:30:29,151 Listen, we still need to take a swab from him 523 00:30:29,161 --> 00:30:31,509 for the assault in the car park, can we get someone down there? 524 00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:32,357 Yeah. I can sort. 525 00:30:32,367 --> 00:30:34,838 And where are we on Cooper's records? 526 00:30:34,848 --> 00:30:36,756 So, we've obviously looked 527 00:30:36,766 --> 00:30:39,464 at a fair amount of his open source stuff. 528 00:30:39,474 --> 00:30:40,958 He used a number of platforms. 529 00:30:40,968 --> 00:30:43,384 - Parler, Reddit, obviously Twitter. - X. 530 00:30:43,766 --> 00:30:45,168 - X. - And? 531 00:30:45,785 --> 00:30:48,047 Endless fights on X, 532 00:30:48,057 --> 00:30:50,530 very aggressive and hate speech-y from him, 533 00:30:50,540 --> 00:30:52,896 but, perhaps more significantly, to him. 534 00:30:52,952 --> 00:30:56,736 - Any physical threats to him? - Dozens that we've found so far. 535 00:30:56,746 --> 00:30:57,956 - And death threats. - Mm-hm. 536 00:30:57,966 --> 00:31:00,050 - And the rows were about...? - Everything that you'd expect 537 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:01,393 from what we're now learning about him. 538 00:31:01,403 --> 00:31:04,918 Immigration, lockdown, grooming gangs, vaccines. 539 00:31:04,928 --> 00:31:07,003 - It's gammon bingo. - Can't say that. 540 00:31:07,013 --> 00:31:10,291 Emails and texts have just come in, 541 00:31:10,336 --> 00:31:12,966 I'm getting them printed up. Triangulation, still waiting on. 542 00:31:12,976 --> 00:31:16,785 Man, I would love to have been a fly on the wall in that house. 543 00:31:17,977 --> 00:31:19,530 Well, the daughter was. 544 00:31:20,332 --> 00:31:22,637 I mean, if this was some sort of coercive, 545 00:31:22,647 --> 00:31:24,321 toxic marriage that blew up... 546 00:31:24,937 --> 00:31:26,564 she would have witnessed it, right? 547 00:31:26,825 --> 00:31:28,675 She'd have certainly seen something. 548 00:31:29,565 --> 00:31:31,955 I wonder if the school would let us talk to her there? 549 00:31:32,324 --> 00:31:33,533 Why don't we call? 550 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:41,399 - Hey. - Hi. 551 00:31:42,957 --> 00:31:45,301 Just, er... Just wondered if you got my email. 552 00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:49,874 Er, no. Sorry. Been a bit... 553 00:31:51,238 --> 00:31:52,398 What did it say? 554 00:31:53,593 --> 00:31:56,269 Er, the board want a meeting. They... 555 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:57,771 They think they have a solution. 556 00:31:59,714 --> 00:32:01,274 What solution? 557 00:32:01,682 --> 00:32:04,869 Well, obviously, you're aware that funding's on the floor 558 00:32:04,894 --> 00:32:08,015 for the next five years anyway, so, basically, erm... 559 00:32:10,708 --> 00:32:12,854 they want to offer you early retirement. 560 00:32:31,253 --> 00:32:34,430 Asif was a lovely guy. Couldn't do enough for people. 561 00:32:34,662 --> 00:32:36,833 And I presume that includes the Dowari family? 562 00:32:36,865 --> 00:32:40,893 Absolutely. In fact, I ran into him a few months after he stopped working for us, 563 00:32:40,918 --> 00:32:43,277 and he told me he was still in contact with them, 564 00:32:43,287 --> 00:32:45,874 still helping them, all pro bono. 565 00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:50,441 Did you personally ever see him have any interaction with Gerard Cooper? 566 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:53,019 - A few times, yeah. - What was he like with him? 567 00:32:53,258 --> 00:32:55,377 Always incredibly polite. 568 00:32:55,608 --> 00:32:58,540 Very quietly spoken, very diplomatic. 569 00:32:58,550 --> 00:33:01,386 - So, he never got wound up by him? - Not to his face, no. 570 00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:03,024 How do you mean, "not to his face"? 571 00:33:03,034 --> 00:33:05,268 I gave him a lift to another rental one time, 572 00:33:05,278 --> 00:33:09,112 it was on my way back to the office, and he said back in his country, 573 00:33:09,122 --> 00:33:11,817 in his village, people like Cooper got dealt with. 574 00:33:12,092 --> 00:33:14,540 - What do you think he meant by that? - I don't know. 575 00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:16,908 I just remember there was something in his eyes when he said it 576 00:33:16,918 --> 00:33:18,536 that sent a chill down my spine. 577 00:33:18,546 --> 00:33:20,339 And the Dowaris, can I speak to them? 578 00:33:20,364 --> 00:33:21,821 If you can find them. 579 00:33:21,918 --> 00:33:25,515 We moved them from Cooper's flat to another in February 2021, 580 00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:29,194 and then a few weeks later, they just upped and left one night, 581 00:33:29,219 --> 00:33:30,839 completely dropped out the system. 582 00:33:30,849 --> 00:33:33,029 Specifically when did they disappear? 583 00:33:34,193 --> 00:33:36,337 February 28th, 2021. 584 00:33:38,446 --> 00:33:40,561 Can I have that last address, please? 585 00:33:41,918 --> 00:33:46,691 For elimination purposes, I really think we should swab Asif Syed. 586 00:33:46,716 --> 00:33:47,771 On it. 587 00:33:52,893 --> 00:33:56,402 So, these are text messages from 2019 and 2020, 588 00:33:56,412 --> 00:33:58,695 and you don't have to read too many to realise that they were 589 00:33:58,705 --> 00:34:01,270 quite clearly in a relationship at this point. 590 00:34:02,195 --> 00:34:05,709 "Hey. At work, and can't stop replaying last night. 591 00:34:05,719 --> 00:34:08,114 "Getting hard just thinking about you. 592 00:34:08,139 --> 00:34:11,710 - "G. Kiss, kiss, kiss." - Yeah, last of the great charmers! 593 00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:14,548 - That's, er, February 2020. - OK. 594 00:34:15,858 --> 00:34:18,757 "Eurostar full. How about we fly? 595 00:34:19,693 --> 00:34:22,003 "J and T away with her mum for the weekend, 596 00:34:22,013 --> 00:34:23,603 "shall we play?" 597 00:34:23,678 --> 00:34:25,739 That's April 2019. 598 00:34:25,764 --> 00:34:30,096 So, we got emails going between them from late 2018, 599 00:34:30,121 --> 00:34:32,853 which is when the relationship seemed to have started. 600 00:34:32,863 --> 00:34:36,022 - OK. So she flat-out lied. - Hm. Yeah. 601 00:34:36,319 --> 00:34:40,455 It all seems to go sour, sort of start of 2021. 602 00:34:40,465 --> 00:34:43,551 My guess is that he knew not to write down too much. 603 00:34:44,716 --> 00:34:46,673 But I did find these three messages. 604 00:34:46,683 --> 00:34:50,284 These are just from his side, and these are from February 2021. 605 00:34:50,309 --> 00:34:52,963 "Do not ignore me, Mel, or you will regret it." 606 00:34:52,973 --> 00:34:54,113 Yeah. 607 00:34:54,584 --> 00:34:56,580 "Mel, call me, 608 00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:59,909 "we can still discuss the amount, I am open to discussion." 609 00:34:59,919 --> 00:35:03,164 And this last one is from the 15th of February. 610 00:35:03,174 --> 00:35:06,345 "If you make me lose everything I have ever worked for, 611 00:35:06,355 --> 00:35:08,918 "I swear to God, I will fuck you up." 612 00:35:09,711 --> 00:35:13,879 - OK. So, these are blackmail threats. - From a person we know was violent. 613 00:35:19,073 --> 00:35:21,286 - Do you think they could have met? - Who? 614 00:35:22,852 --> 00:35:24,709 Melinda and Juliet? 615 00:35:29,012 --> 00:35:31,695 - Wow. - Oh. It's just a thought. 616 00:35:33,918 --> 00:35:35,492 OK, er... 617 00:35:36,178 --> 00:35:38,986 One of us has to go over there, and it can't be me. 618 00:35:39,186 --> 00:35:40,552 - OK. - Sorry. 619 00:35:41,042 --> 00:35:43,916 - Er, no, that's fine. - It's just... I... I, erm... 620 00:35:44,725 --> 00:35:48,345 I still have stuff going on at home, Sunny. 621 00:35:48,370 --> 00:35:49,583 No, you don't have to explain. 622 00:35:49,593 --> 00:35:52,529 I'm sorry. Because I know we... You know, we both... 623 00:35:52,539 --> 00:35:54,700 shared before, but, erm... 624 00:35:55,304 --> 00:35:56,985 it... it... 625 00:35:57,010 --> 00:36:01,240 To be honest, it is just so damn complicated, 626 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:02,957 I wouldn't even know where to begin. 627 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,151 Seriously, no worries at all. 628 00:36:05,743 --> 00:36:09,228 But also, you know, I'm here if you... 629 00:36:10,011 --> 00:36:12,056 Thank you. Seriously. 630 00:36:12,438 --> 00:36:15,010 - Thank you. - OK. Right. 631 00:36:30,097 --> 00:36:33,381 - Erm... Sorry. Hey, Lee? - Hey, how you doing? 632 00:36:33,391 --> 00:36:35,521 Yeah, all great, thanks. 633 00:36:35,546 --> 00:36:36,950 Did you get my message? 634 00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:40,597 Yeah, really sorry, I've been mad busy, but, erm... 635 00:36:40,607 --> 00:36:42,992 - I'll call you. - Yeah, I... 636 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,668 - No rush. Just... Yeah. - Yeah. Speak soon, then. 637 00:36:48,576 --> 00:36:52,381 Er... Yeah. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt. 638 00:36:54,625 --> 00:36:57,010 So, what I was saying is financially... 639 00:37:12,784 --> 00:37:14,545 It'll just be ten seconds. 640 00:37:15,243 --> 00:37:18,143 Alison said she needed to be here if you spoke to me, 641 00:37:18,153 --> 00:37:20,219 so where... where's Alison? 642 00:37:20,244 --> 00:37:23,392 I didn't wanna get her all the way down here just for a swab, Marty. 643 00:37:23,417 --> 00:37:26,964 Oh, come on, love, help the young lady out, huh? 644 00:37:27,816 --> 00:37:30,439 Okey-dokey, pig in a pokey. 645 00:37:33,958 --> 00:37:36,036 I-I... So, just give me a minute. 646 00:37:43,652 --> 00:37:46,447 OK... Here we go. 647 00:37:55,803 --> 00:37:56,715 Hey. 648 00:37:57,163 --> 00:37:58,083 Hi. 649 00:38:02,018 --> 00:38:03,526 Is Hassan not here? 650 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:06,007 He's not back from work yet. 651 00:38:08,163 --> 00:38:09,053 Look... 652 00:38:09,672 --> 00:38:12,565 Asif, I've been thinking about everything you said, and... 653 00:38:13,984 --> 00:38:15,904 I'm... I'm sorry. 654 00:38:17,635 --> 00:38:19,104 I really am. 655 00:38:21,915 --> 00:38:25,367 Asif... You cope so well. 656 00:38:27,275 --> 00:38:29,368 You're so, so strong, that... 657 00:38:30,568 --> 00:38:32,568 I forget what you've been through. 658 00:38:35,114 --> 00:38:37,513 But, I mean, the truth is I... 659 00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:43,568 I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like for you. 660 00:38:47,328 --> 00:38:51,863 And... I do... completely understand your anger. 661 00:38:56,327 --> 00:38:57,241 And... 662 00:38:57,812 --> 00:38:58,946 Listen. 663 00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:01,568 I wanna try and help. 664 00:39:17,994 --> 00:39:20,194 - Evening, sir. - Hello. 665 00:39:21,034 --> 00:39:22,361 Is this your home? 666 00:39:22,656 --> 00:39:24,162 Er, it is, yeah. 667 00:39:24,187 --> 00:39:26,889 - You're Samuel Collet? - Yes. 668 00:39:26,994 --> 00:39:29,071 Mr Collet, my name is Officer Hughes 669 00:39:29,096 --> 00:39:30,681 from the Immigration Enforcement Unit. 670 00:39:30,691 --> 00:39:32,803 I have a warrant to search these premises 671 00:39:32,813 --> 00:39:36,380 under Section 28D of the Immigration Act 1971, 672 00:39:36,405 --> 00:39:39,034 with regard to information gained on an earlier raid today. 673 00:39:39,356 --> 00:39:40,920 Are we OK to come in, please? 674 00:39:41,740 --> 00:39:43,574 Yeah... Yeah, sure. 675 00:40:03,418 --> 00:40:04,994 Enjoy your flight, sir. 676 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,000 Thanks. 677 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,000 _ 678 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,900 _ 679 00:40:22,931 --> 00:40:26,450 Marty? Marty, come on. 680 00:40:28,794 --> 00:40:31,643 Why have you double-locked the door, Marty? 681 00:40:32,273 --> 00:40:36,244 I just need to see Mum, sweetheart. Please, let me in. 682 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,803 Marty. 683 00:40:41,906 --> 00:40:44,205 I just need to see Mum's OK. 684 00:40:44,249 --> 00:40:47,941 If you don't let me in, I'll have to call the police. 685 00:41:28,984 --> 00:41:30,289 OK, sure. 686 00:41:30,314 --> 00:41:33,661 OK, do you wanna come through, please, Mr Collet? 687 00:41:35,374 --> 00:41:37,874 Why... Why is my partner still here? 688 00:41:37,899 --> 00:41:39,689 - Ah-ah-ah... - No, I've already explained to you. 689 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,023 It's got nothing to do with him, it was all me. 690 00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:45,340 This way. 691 00:41:48,173 --> 00:41:51,868 OK, we've had a request from a Bishop Street station in London 692 00:41:51,893 --> 00:41:53,704 in connection with another investigation. 693 00:41:53,714 --> 00:41:56,013 They're asking if they could get a swab from you today. 694 00:41:56,023 --> 00:41:57,084 You OK with that? 695 00:41:58,155 --> 00:41:59,036 Yes. 696 00:41:59,046 --> 00:42:00,537 If you'd like to follow me, then, please. 697 00:42:36,923 --> 00:42:39,225 Yeah, it would just be a general chat, really, 698 00:42:39,235 --> 00:42:43,065 just about the events leading up to her dad's disappearance. 699 00:42:43,075 --> 00:42:44,141 Right. 700 00:42:44,151 --> 00:42:46,962 Which, as I say, for a number of reasons, 701 00:42:46,972 --> 00:42:49,930 we would rather do without her mum present. 702 00:42:49,955 --> 00:42:51,027 'Is she...?' 703 00:42:52,217 --> 00:42:56,179 I mean, has Mrs Cooper been arrested? 704 00:42:56,545 --> 00:42:59,258 No. Not yet. 705 00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:02,442 'I'll need to take some advice on this, can I call you right back?' 706 00:43:02,467 --> 00:43:05,172 Yeah. OK. ASAP, please. Bye. 707 00:43:05,689 --> 00:43:07,295 Sorry to disturb, guv. 708 00:43:07,305 --> 00:43:10,670 Juliet Cooper's downstairs, and she wants to speak to you. 709 00:43:14,817 --> 00:43:17,400 Yesterday, my daughter told me 710 00:43:17,410 --> 00:43:19,988 that about a week before her dad went missing, 711 00:43:20,479 --> 00:43:22,311 she'd come home from school 712 00:43:22,564 --> 00:43:26,849 to find a young man who'd worked for Gerry in our flat. 713 00:43:28,479 --> 00:43:30,685 He'd obviously broken in somehow. 714 00:43:30,695 --> 00:43:32,814 I was still at work, Gerry was out at meetings, 715 00:43:32,824 --> 00:43:35,155 meaning Taylor was alone with him. 716 00:43:35,493 --> 00:43:37,595 And did she know him? 717 00:43:38,354 --> 00:43:40,626 Yeah, she'd chatted to him when he worked downstairs, 718 00:43:40,636 --> 00:43:45,373 but she said he was very agitated and very angry. 719 00:43:45,383 --> 00:43:46,809 - About? - Her dad. 720 00:43:47,311 --> 00:43:49,093 Maybe me a bit. 721 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:54,046 And he told her that he wanted to hurt her dad 722 00:43:54,207 --> 00:43:56,661 like he thought Gerry had hurt him. 723 00:43:57,258 --> 00:43:59,522 - And how old was Taylor? - Eleven. 724 00:43:59,753 --> 00:44:02,053 My God, that must have been terrifying for her. 725 00:44:02,063 --> 00:44:05,477 - It was. - And, so, what happened? 726 00:44:06,011 --> 00:44:07,758 Well, she managed to convince him 727 00:44:07,768 --> 00:44:10,011 that hurting her dad would be a bad idea... 728 00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:13,366 and that it would really upset her. 729 00:44:14,222 --> 00:44:16,040 He said he didn't want to do that. 730 00:44:17,669 --> 00:44:19,964 So then she made him a glass of squash. 731 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,123 They chatted a bit more, 732 00:44:23,133 --> 00:44:25,670 and after about 20 minutes, he just left. 733 00:44:27,149 --> 00:44:28,604 And why... 734 00:44:29,008 --> 00:44:31,052 why has she never told you about this before? 735 00:44:31,062 --> 00:44:32,879 She hadn't wanted to get him into trouble. 736 00:44:34,203 --> 00:44:35,493 She liked him. 737 00:44:35,691 --> 00:44:37,321 She felt sorry for him, as do I. 738 00:44:37,331 --> 00:44:40,249 Hence my slowness in telling you this. 739 00:44:41,299 --> 00:44:44,825 I know he went through a really tough time in the pandemic. 740 00:44:48,617 --> 00:44:50,155 Does she remember his name? 741 00:44:51,067 --> 00:44:52,129 Yes. 742 00:44:52,768 --> 00:44:56,223 It was Marty. Marty Baines. 743 00:45:06,016 --> 00:45:07,839 - Here. - Oh, no. 744 00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:09,946 There's no-one in either of the bedrooms. 745 00:45:09,956 --> 00:45:11,200 Ambulance. 746 00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:13,430 Medical assistance required urgently, please. 747 00:45:13,455 --> 00:45:16,357 Dot? Dot, can you hear me? Dot? 748 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:41,000 *CREDITS*