1 00:00:01,642 --> 00:00:04,083 I was just calling to see if maybe we could meet up, 2 00:00:04,093 --> 00:00:05,458 just the two of us, to talk? 3 00:00:05,468 --> 00:00:08,100 Mr Cooper was also the victim of an assault 4 00:00:08,110 --> 00:00:09,824 three weeks before he disappeared. 5 00:00:09,849 --> 00:00:13,572 I told them I thought his death had probably been violent 6 00:00:13,597 --> 00:00:16,089 - because of the money. - Why would we have him killed? 7 00:00:16,099 --> 00:00:17,587 Dead man don't pay debts. 8 00:00:17,597 --> 00:00:19,327 Reckon it was committed by a lad 9 00:00:19,337 --> 00:00:22,587 that Cooper employed the previous year but who'd not got furlough. 10 00:00:22,597 --> 00:00:24,976 Hello, Marty, how are we today? 11 00:00:24,986 --> 00:00:28,335 I'm not sure Mum's being looked after as well as she needs, Marty. 12 00:00:28,345 --> 00:00:30,013 I'd like to speak to social services. 13 00:00:30,023 --> 00:00:32,388 I can't leave him on his own. 14 00:00:32,398 --> 00:00:35,855 I'd ask how happy she was, knowing that he was with another woman. 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,671 What other woman? 16 00:00:36,681 --> 00:00:39,870 If you say anything to anyone that brings people to my door, 17 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,234 you will regret it. 18 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,000 *CREDITS* 19 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,870 He didn't have the name of the employee, but... 20 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,337 Fran found one of the old bar staff, 21 00:01:37,347 --> 00:01:38,791 so that might throw something up. 22 00:01:38,801 --> 00:01:41,361 OK, well, I'm at the widow's now, so I'll ask her as well. 23 00:01:41,371 --> 00:01:43,969 Yeah, cool, speak later. 24 00:01:45,546 --> 00:01:48,279 - Leanne, what's up? - Massive breakthrough. 25 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:50,307 - What? - I've found a pub in King's Cross 26 00:01:50,317 --> 00:01:52,316 where you can actually hear yourself talk. 27 00:01:52,665 --> 00:01:55,313 Game-changing. 28 00:01:56,351 --> 00:01:59,797 I'm a great team player who enjoys meeting new challenges 29 00:01:59,807 --> 00:02:01,034 on a daily basis. 30 00:02:08,478 --> 00:02:11,144 And I'm a great team player who enjoys meeting new challenges 31 00:02:11,154 --> 00:02:12,660 on a daily basis. 32 00:02:12,670 --> 00:02:14,404 And so basically, there's pretty good evidence 33 00:02:14,414 --> 00:02:16,170 to suggest the money was paid back. 34 00:02:16,549 --> 00:02:17,703 What evidence? 35 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,060 A cash deposit in Markaj's account 36 00:02:20,085 --> 00:02:22,494 eight days before your husband went missing. 37 00:02:24,414 --> 00:02:26,572 - Right. - Now, obviously we will check that, 38 00:02:26,582 --> 00:02:29,125 but for now, we're pretty satisfied 39 00:02:29,135 --> 00:02:31,703 that Mr Markaj isn't a person of interest. 40 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:36,086 Getting a strong sense of deja vu here. 41 00:02:37,494 --> 00:02:40,592 One thing Sidhu did consider was the possibility 42 00:02:40,602 --> 00:02:44,537 the attack outside the pub was committed by a disgruntled employee. 43 00:02:44,752 --> 00:02:45,834 Which employee? 44 00:02:45,859 --> 00:02:48,157 Some lad who hadn't been given furlough. 45 00:02:48,286 --> 00:02:50,601 - I don't know anything about that. - No? 46 00:02:51,573 --> 00:02:52,473 Sorry. 47 00:02:53,145 --> 00:02:55,858 OK, erm... 48 00:02:56,164 --> 00:02:58,672 and then lastly, can I just ask you 49 00:02:58,682 --> 00:03:01,986 if you ever thought your husband might have been having an affair? 50 00:03:03,708 --> 00:03:05,195 What the fuck sort of question's that? 51 00:03:05,205 --> 00:03:07,392 Sorry, it came out of the Markaj interview. 52 00:03:07,402 --> 00:03:10,450 He said he saw him in his car with another woman. 53 00:03:10,460 --> 00:03:11,710 I'm sure he did. 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,377 - No, I didn't. - No suspicions at all? 55 00:03:14,387 --> 00:03:16,587 - No. Never. - OK. 56 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:19,048 Thanks very much for your time, Juliet. 57 00:03:38,971 --> 00:03:42,064 Er, I-I think I might postpone tonight. 58 00:03:43,626 --> 00:03:45,986 - Was he? - Sorry? 59 00:03:47,653 --> 00:03:50,002 - Having an affair. - No. 60 00:03:50,086 --> 00:03:53,130 Absolutely not. Jesus, you weren't meant to hear that. 61 00:03:55,573 --> 00:03:58,573 No... he wasn't. 62 00:04:06,239 --> 00:04:08,696 Did you hear what I said about the therapy session? 63 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,811 - Yeah. - Yeah, I'm just not in the right headspace today. 64 00:04:12,266 --> 00:04:13,497 What about me? 65 00:04:14,538 --> 00:04:16,276 You've resisted this for three years, 66 00:04:16,286 --> 00:04:18,065 and now you can't wait a few days? 67 00:04:19,125 --> 00:04:20,524 It's different now, though, isn't it? 68 00:04:23,225 --> 00:04:24,365 Stuff's coming out. 69 00:04:31,493 --> 00:04:32,820 I'll pick you up at seven. 70 00:04:51,513 --> 00:04:53,003 - Paul. - Jules. 71 00:04:53,506 --> 00:04:56,688 Just wondering whether you'd reconsidered what we discussed. 72 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,294 Fine, I'll meet them. 73 00:05:19,645 --> 00:05:22,515 Police have today identified the remains found 74 00:05:22,548 --> 00:05:24,156 in Whitney Marsh last week 75 00:05:24,166 --> 00:05:26,691 as belonging to Bow Publican Gerard Cooper. 76 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,600 Mr Cooper, who was 54 years old at the time of his disappearance, 77 00:05:30,610 --> 00:05:33,840 was reported missing in February 2021. 78 00:05:33,850 --> 00:05:36,870 Following the gruesome discovery on Sunday morning, 79 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,444 police have now launched a murder investigation 80 00:05:39,646 --> 00:05:41,059 and have appealed for anyone 81 00:05:41,069 --> 00:05:42,874 with any information to come forward. 82 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 _ 83 00:05:48,010 --> 00:05:49,910 _ 84 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,000 _ 85 00:05:52,010 --> 00:05:54,810 _ 86 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,600 _ 87 00:05:57,610 --> 00:05:59,110 _ 88 00:06:12,987 --> 00:06:17,730 You know, the first time I saw the sea was in Calais with my brother. 89 00:06:19,307 --> 00:06:21,770 We'd originally planned to cross in September, but... 90 00:06:22,667 --> 00:06:25,667 it ended up taking us seven months to get to France. 91 00:06:26,987 --> 00:06:28,546 Rather than wait for spring, 92 00:06:28,571 --> 00:06:30,845 we decided to take a cheaper place in January. 93 00:06:32,236 --> 00:06:33,630 33 of us... 94 00:06:34,656 --> 00:06:36,571 in a boat designed for 12. 95 00:06:37,571 --> 00:06:40,384 26 men, four women, three kids. 96 00:06:43,308 --> 00:06:46,413 The water started coming in after about an hour. 97 00:06:48,571 --> 00:06:49,823 We rang the coastguard, 98 00:06:49,833 --> 00:06:52,286 but they said we were still in French waters. 99 00:06:52,931 --> 00:06:55,382 I told them there were children on board, but... 100 00:06:59,213 --> 00:07:01,201 And then a wave tipped us over. 101 00:07:10,103 --> 00:07:12,824 No-one tells you about the cold, Hassan. 102 00:07:15,197 --> 00:07:17,254 Sucks the air right out of your lungs. 103 00:07:18,697 --> 00:07:20,431 Can't even scream. 104 00:07:24,006 --> 00:07:26,415 We got picked up by the UK coastguard 105 00:07:26,714 --> 00:07:28,579 maybe 40 minutes later. 106 00:07:30,133 --> 00:07:32,136 26 of us by that point. 107 00:07:32,652 --> 00:07:34,640 The others they found the next day. 108 00:07:40,003 --> 00:07:43,345 My brother and one of the kids didn't wash up for a week. 109 00:08:07,931 --> 00:08:09,679 - Fab, thank you. - Good luck. 110 00:08:09,704 --> 00:08:11,284 Thanks. 111 00:08:17,955 --> 00:08:20,129 So, how long did you work for him? 112 00:08:20,139 --> 00:08:22,060 Nearly four years, total, 113 00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:24,933 although one year of that was the first year of the pandemic, so... 114 00:08:24,958 --> 00:08:25,961 And you got furloughed? 115 00:08:25,971 --> 00:08:29,446 - I did. - Generally speaking, was he a good employer? 116 00:08:29,734 --> 00:08:31,083 He was, yeah. 117 00:08:32,081 --> 00:08:35,030 - Little pause there. - No, just, er... 118 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,009 He was a... an old white guy, you know. 119 00:08:39,019 --> 00:08:41,859 A little... unreconstructed. 120 00:08:41,958 --> 00:08:44,064 But I'm nit-picking. He was a nice guy. 121 00:08:44,264 --> 00:08:47,108 OK. And did you know his wife? 122 00:08:47,267 --> 00:08:49,360 A bit, they lived above the pub, 123 00:08:49,385 --> 00:08:51,735 so, yeah, I got to know her and Taylor a bit. 124 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,371 And you got on with Juliet OK? 125 00:08:53,381 --> 00:08:56,512 I'm not sure she was in love with the idea of him running a pub, 126 00:08:56,522 --> 00:08:59,089 but... yeah, we got on fine. 127 00:08:59,099 --> 00:09:00,652 So did they get on all right? 128 00:09:00,677 --> 00:09:03,103 I'd say not brilliantly, from what I saw. 129 00:09:03,161 --> 00:09:05,453 - In what way? - She could be quite 130 00:09:05,463 --> 00:09:08,821 dismissive of him, like she thought he was a bit... 131 00:09:09,292 --> 00:09:10,776 - stupid. - Right. 132 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,568 So did they row, or...? 133 00:09:13,578 --> 00:09:18,110 I mean, not at the pub, no, but a few times, when it was quiet, 134 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,880 or before we were open, 135 00:09:20,169 --> 00:09:22,611 I heard them going at each other through the ceiling. 136 00:09:22,636 --> 00:09:23,706 Oh, OK. 137 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,760 So, your other colleagues there, the other staff, 138 00:09:27,208 --> 00:09:28,989 did any of them ever fall out with him? 139 00:09:29,014 --> 00:09:31,557 No, not really, until lockdown. 140 00:09:31,646 --> 00:09:34,108 Yes, right, so this is the guy who didn't get furloughed? 141 00:09:34,133 --> 00:09:35,252 Yes. 142 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,357 - What was his name? - Martin. 143 00:09:37,367 --> 00:09:39,775 Or we called him Marty. Marty Baines. 144 00:09:53,895 --> 00:09:58,483 Most men with the same injury as Patrick's can't ejaculate, no. 145 00:09:58,508 --> 00:10:01,708 But as I'm sure you've heard said many times, 146 00:10:02,001 --> 00:10:04,578 - every case is unique. - Yes. 147 00:10:05,026 --> 00:10:06,786 And if you were... 148 00:10:06,796 --> 00:10:10,311 thinking of starting a family, there is of course sperm harvesting, and... 149 00:10:10,321 --> 00:10:13,731 That's fine, that's... that's all I needed to know. 150 00:10:16,801 --> 00:10:19,102 Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. 151 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,500 _ 152 00:10:42,510 --> 00:10:44,000 _ 153 00:10:45,614 --> 00:10:46,614 Sorry. 154 00:10:46,624 --> 00:10:49,024 _ 155 00:10:50,507 --> 00:10:53,649 Sorry, "Baines" you said? 156 00:10:53,659 --> 00:10:55,823 Yeah, Martin or Marty. 157 00:10:56,001 --> 00:10:57,295 Do we have an address? 158 00:10:57,305 --> 00:11:00,376 She reckoned he moved back to his parents in Kent somewhere 159 00:11:00,386 --> 00:11:01,791 shortly after Cooper disappeared. 160 00:11:01,801 --> 00:11:03,656 - How shortly? - A week or so later. 161 00:11:03,666 --> 00:11:06,883 Well, the wife's dropping over a load of PAYE records later. 162 00:11:06,893 --> 00:11:09,761 - There might be an address in there. - I'll get Kaz on it. 163 00:11:10,289 --> 00:11:13,862 So, your witness was basically saying the same as Ram Sidhu? 164 00:11:13,887 --> 00:11:16,835 Yeah, that Cooper and this Marty had fallen out, 165 00:11:16,845 --> 00:11:18,207 she reckoned about furlough. 166 00:11:18,217 --> 00:11:20,707 Now, did she actually witness a row? 167 00:11:20,717 --> 00:11:25,802 She said she didn't, but one of her co-workers, a lady called... 168 00:11:26,217 --> 00:11:28,585 Brianna West, who's now travelling, 169 00:11:28,635 --> 00:11:30,460 did see him get physical with Cooper. 170 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:32,355 She saw him slam Cooper up against a wall. 171 00:11:32,365 --> 00:11:34,424 - And when was this? - February, 2021. 172 00:11:35,034 --> 00:11:36,837 - Wow. - I've messaged Brianna, 173 00:11:36,847 --> 00:11:38,507 but no idea whether she'll get it, though. 174 00:11:38,517 --> 00:11:40,616 - OK. - It's also worth mentioning 175 00:11:40,626 --> 00:11:43,168 she thought this lad had some kind of disability, 176 00:11:43,178 --> 00:11:44,234 her guess was ASD. 177 00:11:44,244 --> 00:11:46,994 Has Murray got the original assault files back yet? 178 00:11:47,004 --> 00:11:48,929 - Coming later this afternoon apparently. - OK. 179 00:11:48,939 --> 00:11:53,366 I also mentioned a possible girlfriend to the wife this morning. 180 00:11:53,391 --> 00:11:55,295 - And? - Yeah, she didn't like it, 181 00:11:55,366 --> 00:11:58,267 which makes me think your man Markaj was on the money. 182 00:11:58,277 --> 00:12:00,498 Any of the people that your team spoke to this morning 183 00:12:00,508 --> 00:12:01,690 hint at another woman? 184 00:12:01,700 --> 00:12:03,781 I haven't gone through it all. I'll check. 185 00:12:03,791 --> 00:12:06,851 Because a row that got out of hand about infidelity... 186 00:12:07,183 --> 00:12:09,847 is just about the oldest motive for murder there is. 187 00:12:18,893 --> 00:12:20,696 You see, men like you and me... 188 00:12:22,569 --> 00:12:25,409 we don't do well in detention centres. 189 00:12:26,922 --> 00:12:29,242 I got assaulted so many times, Hass... 190 00:12:30,735 --> 00:12:33,215 without any intervention from the authorities. 191 00:12:34,321 --> 00:12:36,501 So, yes, as long as I pass my citizenship test, 192 00:12:36,511 --> 00:12:40,253 I'll have a passport and a legal right to settle and work here. 193 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,500 _ 194 00:12:43,510 --> 00:12:45,810 _ 195 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,120 _ 196 00:12:48,130 --> 00:12:50,130 _ 197 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,000 _ 198 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,600 _ 199 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,400 _ 200 00:12:59,815 --> 00:13:02,785 Hiya! Oh. 201 00:13:04,898 --> 00:13:07,607 Wow... Hassan... 202 00:13:09,209 --> 00:13:10,246 Hello, Sam. 203 00:13:11,903 --> 00:13:14,624 - You're a week early. - Yeah, no, the... 204 00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:17,106 the exercise got snowed off. 205 00:13:24,156 --> 00:13:26,851 Sorry, does somebody wanna tell me what the fuck is going on? 206 00:13:27,103 --> 00:13:28,701 You know, 207 00:13:28,711 --> 00:13:31,407 what's more upsetting than what you've actually done 208 00:13:31,417 --> 00:13:33,481 is the fact that you've obviously been planning this 209 00:13:33,506 --> 00:13:34,895 for months behind my back. 210 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,120 Yes. 211 00:13:38,809 --> 00:13:40,910 He says unapologetically. 212 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,665 Well, if you'd come back when you said you were coming back, 213 00:13:43,675 --> 00:13:44,703 you would never have known, 214 00:13:44,713 --> 00:13:46,364 so what was the point in telling you something 215 00:13:46,374 --> 00:13:47,804 that I knew you'd stop me doing? 216 00:13:47,814 --> 00:13:49,911 All right, so you think the only problem here 217 00:13:49,921 --> 00:13:51,701 is that you got found out. 218 00:13:54,220 --> 00:13:58,920 Don't... speak to me like I'm one of your fucking squaddies. 219 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,509 Don't you dare... 220 00:14:04,128 --> 00:14:08,035 speak to me like you think you have some natural authority over me. 221 00:14:08,045 --> 00:14:12,374 Please, don't speak to me like I've done something wrong. 222 00:14:12,384 --> 00:14:15,138 All I have done is walk into my house, 223 00:14:15,163 --> 00:14:16,912 and I've found an illegal immigrant living here. 224 00:14:16,922 --> 00:14:19,910 - Our friend Hassan, you mean? - Yeah, our friend Hassan, sorry. 225 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:20,950 How many times? 226 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,373 It's not illegal for someone seeking asylum 227 00:14:23,383 --> 00:14:25,738 to cross the Channel however they want to. 228 00:14:25,748 --> 00:14:27,499 Yes, I know, I know. 229 00:14:28,036 --> 00:14:29,129 I know! 230 00:14:38,073 --> 00:14:39,518 Obviously... 231 00:14:41,550 --> 00:14:43,026 it's terrible... 232 00:14:43,284 --> 00:14:44,797 that he had to do that, 233 00:14:44,822 --> 00:14:47,757 and I'm sorry if I sound unsympathetic right now, Asif. 234 00:14:47,767 --> 00:14:49,504 But whether you like it or not, 235 00:14:49,514 --> 00:14:53,440 until he does formally seek asylum, he is here illegally. 236 00:14:54,073 --> 00:14:57,156 How did he get here... specifically? 237 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,089 In a lorry. 238 00:15:02,115 --> 00:15:04,137 - Which you paid for? - Yes. 239 00:15:04,407 --> 00:15:06,600 And I owe him much more than that. 240 00:15:06,818 --> 00:15:09,436 As do you, actually, Sam, 241 00:15:09,446 --> 00:15:11,486 considering he saved both our lives, 242 00:15:11,496 --> 00:15:13,477 or... or have you forgotten that? 243 00:15:13,487 --> 00:15:15,476 No, of course I've not forgotten that. 244 00:15:17,178 --> 00:15:19,553 Well, what's his plan now? 245 00:15:20,509 --> 00:15:22,793 He's going to stay with Omar from Friday 246 00:15:22,803 --> 00:15:24,638 whilst we get him documents, 247 00:15:24,648 --> 00:15:26,845 and then he will live his life in the UK. 248 00:15:26,855 --> 00:15:30,159 - Illegal documents, you mean. - Yeah. 249 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,699 I-I can't be here, Sif, with him. 250 00:15:35,629 --> 00:15:37,440 If anyone found us, I... 251 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:41,660 Er... 252 00:15:42,773 --> 00:15:47,361 I... Yeah, I'll kip at my sister's tonight, but, erm... 253 00:15:48,691 --> 00:15:50,720 he needs to be gone by tomorrow. 254 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,849 Mum's looked after you all of her life, Marty, 255 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,568 so it's a massive change for you to suddenly have to look after her. 256 00:16:04,646 --> 00:16:07,067 And this is absolutely not your fault. 257 00:16:07,077 --> 00:16:09,168 It's been a massive change, Doreen. 258 00:16:09,178 --> 00:16:11,774 As I said, none of this will have to be permanent, 259 00:16:11,784 --> 00:16:13,670 if we can get you up and walking, Dot, 260 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,706 then hopefully, we can get you back home asap. 261 00:16:15,716 --> 00:16:17,158 And what about me? 262 00:16:17,486 --> 00:16:20,015 Well, I'll also be recommending some help for you, 263 00:16:20,025 --> 00:16:21,106 either here at home, 264 00:16:21,116 --> 00:16:23,903 or in some form of supported accommodation, how does that sound? 265 00:16:23,913 --> 00:16:25,406 I live here with Mum. 266 00:16:25,733 --> 00:16:29,071 - It's a lot to grasp, isn't it? - It is a lot to grasp. 267 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,410 Listen, none of this will have to be immediate. 268 00:16:32,420 --> 00:16:35,722 These things do take a while, so we'll keep talking, 269 00:16:35,747 --> 00:16:39,787 and if you have any worries, just call, yeah? 270 00:17:03,227 --> 00:17:05,813 And often, I find it helpful to ask clients 271 00:17:05,823 --> 00:17:07,941 what it is they hope to get out of this? 272 00:17:09,645 --> 00:17:11,649 Maybe I could ask you first, Juliet, 273 00:17:12,071 --> 00:17:14,412 what it is that you'd like to achieve? 274 00:17:16,368 --> 00:17:18,858 Er... I... 275 00:17:20,281 --> 00:17:22,920 I guess I'd like Taylor to be happier. 276 00:17:23,378 --> 00:17:26,425 I mean, I know I'm not really meant to say that. 277 00:17:26,605 --> 00:17:27,709 Say what? 278 00:17:28,651 --> 00:17:31,275 That I just want her to be happy... 279 00:17:32,173 --> 00:17:33,920 cos actually that's, erm... 280 00:17:35,513 --> 00:17:37,209 that's a pretty big ask. 281 00:17:38,516 --> 00:17:40,055 So, I guess... 282 00:17:42,619 --> 00:17:44,572 I want her to be able to cope... 283 00:17:45,375 --> 00:17:47,150 with school, with me... 284 00:17:47,469 --> 00:17:48,529 with the future. 285 00:17:48,554 --> 00:17:50,751 Well, yeah, coping's a good aspiration. 286 00:17:55,404 --> 00:17:57,008 And what do you want for yourself? 287 00:18:03,411 --> 00:18:04,615 The same. 288 00:18:07,469 --> 00:18:08,931 But... you know... 289 00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:12,392 if... if she's OK... 290 00:18:13,109 --> 00:18:15,138 then I kind of would be. 291 00:18:15,816 --> 00:18:17,816 OK. Thank you. 292 00:18:19,411 --> 00:18:23,219 And, Taylor... what would you like out of all this? 293 00:18:24,469 --> 00:18:25,669 Honesty. 294 00:18:28,276 --> 00:18:31,116 I just want some real honesty between us. 295 00:18:42,303 --> 00:18:44,042 - Hey. - Hi! 296 00:18:46,469 --> 00:18:48,459 This is the plan to take us over, man, 297 00:18:48,469 --> 00:18:50,459 this is the Protocol of the Elders of Zion. 298 00:18:50,469 --> 00:18:52,157 What about Blair? What about Zelenskyy? 299 00:18:52,167 --> 00:18:53,276 What about Stoltenberg? 300 00:18:53,286 --> 00:18:55,322 When will they arrest THOSE sons of bitches? 301 00:18:55,332 --> 00:18:57,029 He knew they'd try to shut him down. 302 00:18:57,054 --> 00:18:59,659 They did the same with Fox. They won't let him speak the truth. 303 00:18:59,669 --> 00:19:01,874 So now finally they admit it was a bio leak... 304 00:19:01,899 --> 00:19:02,829 Marty? 305 00:19:02,854 --> 00:19:04,008 how soon before they admit this was 306 00:19:04,033 --> 00:19:05,359 - population control? - Marty? 307 00:19:05,369 --> 00:19:07,374 Marty, are you all right? 308 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,639 Marty, what you doing? Marty? 309 00:19:20,747 --> 00:19:23,205 I mean, you know it's got everyone there, innit? 310 00:19:23,215 --> 00:19:24,751 He's royalty as well. 311 00:19:24,829 --> 00:19:26,526 Well, obviously, they'd have been happier 312 00:19:26,536 --> 00:19:29,505 if I'd been a doctor or a lawyer or a... 313 00:19:29,515 --> 00:19:30,786 or a Prime Minister. 314 00:19:31,214 --> 00:19:33,091 Thanks, Rishi, for that. 315 00:19:33,101 --> 00:19:36,118 But, yeah, I think they'd've been proud of me, yeah. 316 00:19:36,128 --> 00:19:37,687 What about your mum and dad? 317 00:19:49,894 --> 00:19:54,119 Would you rather fight one wolf-sized chicken 318 00:19:54,129 --> 00:19:56,042 or four chicken-sized wolves? 319 00:20:12,687 --> 00:20:15,025 Sorry, I haven't had anyone round for... 320 00:20:16,313 --> 00:20:18,000 well, forever, actually. 321 00:20:20,653 --> 00:20:23,266 Would you like a cup of tea or coffee? 322 00:20:24,412 --> 00:20:26,654 Although I don't have any milk. 323 00:20:28,017 --> 00:20:31,198 Why don't you... Why don't you nip out and... 324 00:20:31,208 --> 00:20:32,700 and get some, and... 325 00:20:33,729 --> 00:20:35,573 I'll make a start on the dishes. 326 00:20:36,854 --> 00:20:37,854 Sorry. 327 00:20:51,214 --> 00:20:55,235 And I get so fed up of people feeling sorry for me. 328 00:20:55,493 --> 00:20:58,633 It's great, being single. I have a lovely life. 329 00:20:58,854 --> 00:21:01,311 I have freedom, money, 330 00:21:01,321 --> 00:21:04,709 great friends, fabulous nieces and nephews... 331 00:21:05,343 --> 00:21:07,057 - so, yeah. - Yeah. 332 00:21:09,667 --> 00:21:12,667 - To singletons! - To singletons! 333 00:21:19,091 --> 00:21:20,973 And are things improving, or... 334 00:21:21,743 --> 00:21:25,091 Well... I've started some new meds, 335 00:21:25,297 --> 00:21:30,090 and they do... seem to work better than the last ones, so... 336 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,963 And do you need anything? 337 00:21:36,955 --> 00:21:39,840 Money? A cleaner? Anything? 338 00:21:40,792 --> 00:21:43,169 I'm good, but thank you. 339 00:21:46,091 --> 00:21:47,091 So... 340 00:21:49,657 --> 00:21:51,468 the reason, erm... 341 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:57,510 the reason I wanted to meet up was to see if we could... 342 00:21:58,639 --> 00:22:00,052 move forward. 343 00:22:00,356 --> 00:22:02,914 - Yes. - You know, cos... 344 00:22:03,866 --> 00:22:05,450 you are my sister... 345 00:22:07,552 --> 00:22:09,070 and I do love you. 346 00:22:10,552 --> 00:22:13,470 And I love you too... so much. 347 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,266 Except I'm not sure that I can move forward 348 00:22:16,276 --> 00:22:20,830 until I know for sure that you're been completely truthful with me. 349 00:22:21,346 --> 00:22:23,798 - And I wanna be. - OK, so... 350 00:22:24,429 --> 00:22:28,036 did Mum tell you what Steve said... 351 00:22:28,447 --> 00:22:32,114 about you and him when I confronted him with what you told me? 352 00:22:32,139 --> 00:22:33,176 Yes. 353 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:37,305 That you'd lied to me about sleeping with him for... 354 00:22:37,315 --> 00:22:39,851 I mean, for reasons I still don't fully understand, 355 00:22:39,876 --> 00:22:41,907 but that it was just kiss. 356 00:22:42,503 --> 00:22:46,841 And it was just some kind of weird... emotional thing? 357 00:22:47,604 --> 00:22:50,876 - Yes. - And was that true? 358 00:22:55,262 --> 00:22:56,884 I don't know what to say, Jessie. 359 00:22:58,403 --> 00:23:01,332 I don't know what to say that will best allow you to forgive me. 360 00:23:01,342 --> 00:23:04,207 Just... the truth, Debs. 361 00:23:04,876 --> 00:23:06,215 That's all. 362 00:23:11,382 --> 00:23:16,382 The truth is it was some weird kind of emotional thing. 363 00:23:18,228 --> 00:23:20,875 I was pretty lost, and... 364 00:23:22,349 --> 00:23:24,401 he seemed to be also, and he... 365 00:23:25,594 --> 00:23:27,325 seemed vulnerable. 366 00:23:27,335 --> 00:23:29,999 And like he wanted to help me too, and we just... 367 00:23:32,987 --> 00:23:34,918 connected for a few months. 368 00:23:37,634 --> 00:23:39,444 But it wasn't just a kiss. 369 00:23:42,434 --> 00:23:44,112 We did sleep together... 370 00:23:45,845 --> 00:23:47,487 like I said in the pub. 371 00:23:51,278 --> 00:23:53,855 And actually, it was more than just once. 372 00:24:22,427 --> 00:24:23,427 Thank you. 373 00:24:26,494 --> 00:24:27,494 Thank you. 374 00:24:35,399 --> 00:24:37,785 - I'm gonna walk. - I'm tubing it. 375 00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:42,006 Well, sorry to have... got you twatted, but, erm... 376 00:24:42,997 --> 00:24:45,160 ..so thank you. 377 00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:46,055 Well, thank you. 378 00:24:46,065 --> 00:24:48,800 I'd sort of forgotten what it was like to have such a good laugh. 379 00:24:48,810 --> 00:24:50,503 We aim to please. 380 00:24:58,810 --> 00:25:01,611 - Sorry. - Oh, no, no, no, it's just, I... 381 00:25:01,621 --> 00:25:03,947 - Night, dollface. - Leanne? 382 00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:16,202 Hi, Mum, it's me. 383 00:25:16,227 --> 00:25:18,747 Look, I was just wondering if you could come over this evening? 384 00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:20,919 Sure, gimme a call. OK, thanks, bye. 385 00:25:26,905 --> 00:25:30,915 Hey, Leanne, it's Sunny. That was a great night last night. 386 00:25:31,777 --> 00:25:34,679 If you fancy grabbing a bite on Friday, then gimme a call. 387 00:25:34,689 --> 00:25:36,584 Bye. Jess? 388 00:25:38,227 --> 00:25:39,283 Hey, Sunny. 389 00:25:41,944 --> 00:25:43,481 - Hey. - How are you? 390 00:25:43,506 --> 00:25:46,047 - Yeah, good, how are you? - Oh, you know. 391 00:25:46,067 --> 00:25:48,238 So, there was a bloke from yesterday 392 00:25:48,248 --> 00:25:50,025 who'd known Gerry since they were kids, 393 00:25:50,035 --> 00:25:51,757 and he'd said in passing 394 00:25:51,767 --> 00:25:54,150 that Gerry was always "a bit of a rascal". 395 00:25:54,454 --> 00:25:56,379 I mean, what does that mean? 396 00:25:56,404 --> 00:25:58,048 Well, yeah, I rang him back to ask, 397 00:25:58,058 --> 00:26:01,694 and basically, he told me that a few months before he disappeared, 398 00:26:01,704 --> 00:26:02,858 he'd seen him with another woman. 399 00:26:02,868 --> 00:26:04,857 Wow, OK, where? 400 00:26:04,867 --> 00:26:07,526 In a pub they used to drink in as kids in Aldgate. 401 00:26:08,042 --> 00:26:10,636 He said he'd introduced her to him as Melinda. 402 00:26:10,646 --> 00:26:12,475 - No surname? - No. 403 00:26:12,485 --> 00:26:15,057 And he thought she was more than just a friend why? 404 00:26:15,067 --> 00:26:17,696 Because they were on their own in the corner, all over each other. 405 00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:20,919 And any more specific idea when this might have happened? 406 00:26:21,385 --> 00:26:23,094 Yes, actually very specific, 407 00:26:23,104 --> 00:26:26,309 because it was the day after the second lockdown had ended, 408 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:28,413 and the pubs had just reopened, 409 00:26:28,423 --> 00:26:30,517 so everyone was a bit demob happy. 410 00:26:30,612 --> 00:26:33,164 - Yeah, when was that? - Third of December, 2020. 411 00:26:33,189 --> 00:26:34,896 Any description of her? 412 00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:38,346 40-ish, pretty, beautiful red hair. 413 00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:44,220 OK, erm... can we put in a request for Cooper's mobile data? 414 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:46,380 Calls, texts, and triangulation. 415 00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:49,946 We should try open source socials as well, and emails while we're at it. 416 00:26:49,971 --> 00:26:52,546 Yeah. See if we can't find out this woman's full name. 417 00:26:52,571 --> 00:26:54,081 - Boss. - Kaz? 418 00:26:54,091 --> 00:26:58,074 Yeah, so, PAYE records, year ended '21, 419 00:26:58,099 --> 00:26:59,422 we do have an M Baines. 420 00:26:59,432 --> 00:27:03,139 Two addresses, though, one in Ilford and then the other in Deal, Kent. 421 00:27:03,149 --> 00:27:04,908 Oh, it'll be the Kent one now 422 00:27:04,918 --> 00:27:08,181 cos we know he moved back there in March, 2021. 423 00:27:08,191 --> 00:27:09,791 OK, can you ping that over to me, please? 424 00:27:09,801 --> 00:27:13,802 Mm-hm. Oh, and I have found three USB sticks for the car park, 425 00:27:13,812 --> 00:27:15,190 just gotta go through the footage. 426 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,796 Good stuff. Murray? 427 00:27:16,806 --> 00:27:19,459 So, Mrs Cooper dropped off the tenancy documents yesterday. 428 00:27:19,469 --> 00:27:20,104 Good. 429 00:27:20,114 --> 00:27:22,257 But concentrating on Cooper's assault for now, 430 00:27:22,267 --> 00:27:23,967 he said he was hit from behind 431 00:27:23,977 --> 00:27:25,865 and that the assailant was wearing a hoodie. 432 00:27:25,875 --> 00:27:29,084 Now, two brief bits of CCTV were found 433 00:27:29,094 --> 00:27:31,230 showing a man matching that description 434 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,473 walking away from the direction of the Three Crowns car park 435 00:27:34,483 --> 00:27:36,321 and in the direction of Bow tube. 436 00:27:36,331 --> 00:27:37,821 - And followed up? - No. 437 00:27:37,831 --> 00:27:39,820 The footage was timed at 10:33, 438 00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:42,249 which was thought to be half hour after the attack happened. 439 00:27:42,274 --> 00:27:44,018 - So? - The thing is... 440 00:27:44,028 --> 00:27:47,382 he was knocked unconscious, and when his wife found him, 441 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,779 she assumed the attack had just happened, 442 00:27:49,804 --> 00:27:52,708 when actually he could have been sparko for half an hour. 443 00:27:53,253 --> 00:27:56,258 Ah, so, in which case, the timing might fit? 444 00:27:56,283 --> 00:27:57,793 - Yeah, exactly. - Hm. 445 00:27:57,803 --> 00:28:00,692 - OK, let's see it. - This is the first one. 446 00:28:06,508 --> 00:28:08,629 - What's he doing with his hand? - Don't know. 447 00:28:08,639 --> 00:28:11,297 - I thought waving at someone. - Can we see the next bit? 448 00:28:20,364 --> 00:28:21,898 Sorry, can you play it again? 449 00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:27,364 Is he hailing a cab? 450 00:28:31,364 --> 00:28:32,818 Or is he stimming? 451 00:28:33,024 --> 00:28:34,160 - "Stimming"? - Yeah. 452 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:36,825 It's something that some autistic people do. 453 00:28:36,835 --> 00:28:38,502 I have a cousin who's on the sphere. 454 00:28:38,512 --> 00:28:42,695 It's a sort of repetitive movement to alleviate stress. 455 00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:45,599 OK, you wanna ping that address over to me now? 456 00:28:45,609 --> 00:28:47,719 We need to get down to Deal ASAP. 457 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,000 _ 458 00:29:08,378 --> 00:29:10,557 So he put all his properties through you? 459 00:29:10,771 --> 00:29:13,382 - Yeah. - And over what time scale was this? 460 00:29:13,392 --> 00:29:16,956 We started letting the first one in 2014, 461 00:29:16,966 --> 00:29:20,876 and we stopped working with him in late 2020. 462 00:29:20,886 --> 00:29:23,287 - So six years, give or take. - Mm. 463 00:29:23,561 --> 00:29:26,579 And within those three properties, there were 19 rooms, 464 00:29:26,589 --> 00:29:29,407 all needing separate contracts, quite often, short term, 465 00:29:29,417 --> 00:29:31,047 so it was a very full-on job. 466 00:29:31,057 --> 00:29:32,882 We often spoke several times a week. 467 00:29:32,892 --> 00:29:35,033 - What was he like to work with? - Oh, he was a nightmare. 468 00:29:35,058 --> 00:29:38,547 Oh. Wasn't expecting that. In what respect? 469 00:29:38,771 --> 00:29:41,864 He just never wanted to spend any money on anything. 470 00:29:41,874 --> 00:29:45,303 Amenities, maintenance, safety regs, anything. 471 00:29:45,754 --> 00:29:47,615 Never mind the legal issues that caused, 472 00:29:47,625 --> 00:29:50,340 we obviously have moral and ethical responsibilities. 473 00:29:50,795 --> 00:29:54,353 And so in 2019, we stopped managing the properties, 474 00:29:54,363 --> 00:29:55,426 just found him tenants. 475 00:29:55,436 --> 00:29:57,412 And after that, he managed the tenants himself. 476 00:29:57,631 --> 00:29:59,996 Which was also a nightmare because he was so combative. 477 00:30:00,006 --> 00:30:02,775 - In which way? - In how he resolved disputes. 478 00:30:03,105 --> 00:30:06,267 Physically intimidating, verbally aggressive. 479 00:30:06,802 --> 00:30:09,929 Look, meaning in the end, we terminated our agreement with him 480 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:11,715 in September, 2020. 481 00:30:11,725 --> 00:30:16,565 OK. Now, where there any particular disputes you can recall, 482 00:30:16,575 --> 00:30:20,029 say in 2020, that might have properly boiled over? 483 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,557 I'd have to go back over emails and records for specifics, 484 00:30:23,567 --> 00:30:27,836 but... generally speaking, yeah, yeah, several. 485 00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,039 If you could, that'd be really useful. 486 00:30:30,438 --> 00:30:31,577 No worries. 487 00:30:31,815 --> 00:30:32,688 Erm... 488 00:30:33,610 --> 00:30:35,598 what kind of people were his tenants? 489 00:30:35,608 --> 00:30:37,959 They were almost exclusively asylum seekers, 490 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:39,904 I think he had a deal with the council. 491 00:30:40,723 --> 00:30:43,645 No doubt they presented some challenges, but... 492 00:30:44,199 --> 00:30:46,485 everyone deserves to live safely, right? 493 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:21,039 DS Boulting... 494 00:31:22,092 --> 00:31:24,575 there was one case that you should follow up. 495 00:31:24,798 --> 00:31:28,418 There was an Afghan family who had a long-running dispute with him, 496 00:31:28,428 --> 00:31:29,935 really boiled over. 497 00:31:30,239 --> 00:31:31,739 I'll look for the files now, 498 00:31:31,749 --> 00:31:34,030 but you should start with the guy that interpreted for them. 499 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,858 Lovely fella, Asif. 500 00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:40,421 I am in no-one's debt. 501 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,811 And I am sick of being made to feel like I should be grateful. 502 00:31:44,821 --> 00:31:47,056 No-one is saying that. 503 00:31:47,066 --> 00:31:49,867 It's right there in your reaction to what I did, Sam. 504 00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,929 That I had the... temerity to bring Hassan over here, 505 00:31:53,939 --> 00:31:55,828 to try and get him settled illegally. 506 00:31:55,964 --> 00:31:59,946 But that... that... that isn't why I was angry. 507 00:32:00,772 --> 00:32:02,896 Look, I was angry because... 508 00:32:04,023 --> 00:32:06,893 I mean... I mean, did it never occur to you 509 00:32:06,903 --> 00:32:09,615 what the implications of what you were doing were for me? 510 00:32:12,435 --> 00:32:14,477 As far as I can tell, you're fine, 511 00:32:14,487 --> 00:32:17,280 on account of your government not wanting to execute you 512 00:32:17,290 --> 00:32:18,731 for being gay. 513 00:32:22,786 --> 00:32:24,140 OK, that... 514 00:32:24,929 --> 00:32:27,752 that is my house... Asif... 515 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,328 which makes me party to a criminal act. 516 00:32:33,296 --> 00:32:36,997 I could lose my whole career if Hassan was found there. 517 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,644 Interesting take. 518 00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:43,293 Yeah, you know what? They'd also probably charge you. 519 00:32:43,868 --> 00:32:46,186 Which would mean the end of your citizenship test, 520 00:32:46,196 --> 00:32:49,679 the end of you being able to stay here, and the end of us. 521 00:32:56,036 --> 00:33:00,531 Look, no-one is more ashamed of the government than I am 522 00:33:00,541 --> 00:33:01,765 for what they did to you. 523 00:33:01,775 --> 00:33:05,358 I just... I don't see how this makes things any better. 524 00:33:05,406 --> 00:33:07,759 It makes it better for him, Sam. 525 00:33:07,769 --> 00:33:09,945 Yeah, but at great risk to us. 526 00:33:10,657 --> 00:33:14,688 If Hass hadn't have got out, the Taliban would have killed him... 527 00:33:14,925 --> 00:33:16,399 just like they would have killed me. 528 00:33:16,409 --> 00:33:21,972 So, I'm sorry, but I feel no guilt in spitting in your system's face. 529 00:33:24,137 --> 00:33:25,808 They did it to me first. 530 00:33:38,966 --> 00:33:41,040 - Dead? - I'm so sorry to be the bearer of... 531 00:33:41,050 --> 00:33:42,846 - Well, it wasn't Martin. - Mum... 532 00:33:42,871 --> 00:33:47,191 - It wasn't Martin, cos he was... - I said shut up, noisy bitch. 533 00:33:49,786 --> 00:33:51,311 I don't wanna talk here. 534 00:34:00,032 --> 00:34:01,264 Hey, Fran, it's me, 535 00:34:01,274 --> 00:34:03,731 we're gonna need an appropriate adult for this afternoon. 536 00:34:03,741 --> 00:34:06,626 Yeah. Can you do a PCN check for me? 537 00:34:10,181 --> 00:34:11,809 Watch your head. There you go. 538 00:34:13,604 --> 00:34:15,533 Do you drive a car, Marty? 539 00:34:16,043 --> 00:34:19,092 Dad used to let me drive his, but then we sold it. 540 00:34:19,117 --> 00:34:20,797 "Needed the moolah, me old mucker." 541 00:34:41,397 --> 00:34:43,397 So, my job, Marty, 542 00:34:43,583 --> 00:34:46,583 is to make sure that you're fully aware of all your rights 543 00:34:46,757 --> 00:34:50,267 and to make sure that you don't accidentally say something 544 00:34:50,277 --> 00:34:51,757 that gets you into trouble. 545 00:34:52,883 --> 00:34:56,440 - I don't want to get into trouble. - I don't want you too either. 546 00:34:57,583 --> 00:34:59,323 So should I lie, then? 547 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,738 Well, it's generally better to tell the truth... don't you think? 548 00:35:10,493 --> 00:35:14,409 So, if I have this right from my reading of the court transcripts, 549 00:35:14,419 --> 00:35:16,788 Gerry Cooper's actually an old friend of yours? 550 00:35:16,798 --> 00:35:20,001 - Yeah. Yeah, he was, yeah. - Can you talk me through that? 551 00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:23,199 Well, we'd known each other most of our lives. 552 00:35:23,692 --> 00:35:25,112 We went to the same school, 553 00:35:25,122 --> 00:35:26,948 we lived round the corner from each other. 554 00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:28,983 I drank in his pub. 555 00:35:29,854 --> 00:35:34,712 And the assault occurred at a rally in Westminster square? 556 00:35:34,722 --> 00:35:37,747 - Yeah. - Had you gone there together? 557 00:35:37,757 --> 00:35:40,586 No, no, we ran into each other by chance. 558 00:35:40,596 --> 00:35:41,778 What was the rally? 559 00:35:42,210 --> 00:35:44,546 It was the day of one of the big Brexit votes, 560 00:35:44,556 --> 00:35:47,190 it was March 29th, 2019. 561 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,190 - And you were there... - I was a remainer. 562 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,307 And Mr Cooper? 563 00:35:50,317 --> 00:35:52,199 - Brexiteer. - OK. 564 00:35:52,628 --> 00:35:55,747 So you just bumped into each other? 565 00:35:55,757 --> 00:35:56,960 Yeah. Yeah. 566 00:35:56,970 --> 00:35:59,480 - And it was all very friendly at first. - Mm-hm. 567 00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:02,056 And then we started talking about the vote, 568 00:36:02,066 --> 00:36:04,799 and, yeah, well, it all got... 569 00:36:05,043 --> 00:36:06,994 really unpleasant really quickly. 570 00:36:07,004 --> 00:36:10,757 We'd both had a few drinks, so that didn't help, but, erm... 571 00:36:12,449 --> 00:36:13,969 He just made me so angry. 572 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,806 He made you angry, or you got angry? 573 00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:19,440 Yeah, well, yeah, there you go, look, 574 00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:21,729 look, I'm sure a lot of it was my fault. 575 00:36:21,754 --> 00:36:22,874 In what way? 576 00:36:23,286 --> 00:36:25,688 Well, he had a right to his opinions. 577 00:36:26,114 --> 00:36:28,461 I-I was just too interested in... 578 00:36:28,754 --> 00:36:31,273 in trying to wind him up and mock him. 579 00:36:31,283 --> 00:36:33,639 - So it got heated. - Yeah. Yeah. 580 00:36:33,649 --> 00:36:37,949 He got angrier and angrier, as did I. 581 00:36:37,974 --> 00:36:40,110 And then he was making some point, 582 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,848 and he sort of prodded me in the chest, 583 00:36:41,858 --> 00:36:42,955 which really wound me up. 584 00:36:42,965 --> 00:36:45,789 So I sort of swiped his hand away... 585 00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:48,937 which is when... he punched me... 586 00:36:49,974 --> 00:36:51,252 in the face... 587 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,392 very fucking hard. 588 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,283 Hi, you've reached Leanne, 589 00:37:14,293 --> 00:37:16,008 please leave a message after the tone. 590 00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:20,840 It's me again. Gimme a call. 591 00:37:22,433 --> 00:37:24,781 So, one arrest. 592 00:37:24,791 --> 00:37:27,730 - For? - Burglary, dwelling, seven years ago. 593 00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:30,646 - OK. - And obviously, we go gently. 594 00:37:30,656 --> 00:37:31,973 Of course, yeah. 595 00:37:43,174 --> 00:37:46,854 Well, I mean, I knew him less well in the last ten years or so, 596 00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:48,032 but, erm... 597 00:37:48,596 --> 00:37:52,964 I'd say he increasingly came across as a bitter man. 598 00:37:52,974 --> 00:37:54,783 Bitter. About what? 599 00:37:55,615 --> 00:37:58,244 How he perceived life had treated him, I guess. 600 00:37:58,254 --> 00:38:00,813 - Had he not done OK? - Well, I would have said so, but... 601 00:38:00,974 --> 00:38:02,752 I think he felt he was owed more 602 00:38:02,762 --> 00:38:07,270 and that people like him had been abandoned, politically. 603 00:38:07,295 --> 00:38:10,529 Right, who do you think the anger was aimed at? 604 00:38:10,539 --> 00:38:12,978 Anyone and everyone. 605 00:38:14,761 --> 00:38:17,792 Big Pharma, phone mast companies, 606 00:38:17,802 --> 00:38:20,092 the Jews, the Arabs, Davos. 607 00:38:20,102 --> 00:38:23,393 Look, it was all pretty rabbit holey. 608 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,915 And then, erm... 609 00:38:26,361 --> 00:38:28,850 then in 2016, he, erm... 610 00:38:28,860 --> 00:38:33,395 he created an online forum called UK United. 611 00:38:33,751 --> 00:38:36,178 - Oh, right, what was that? - Well, exactly what it sounds like. 612 00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:40,301 Anti immigration, low-level racist wank 613 00:38:40,311 --> 00:38:43,745 about how we needed to get back to good old days. 614 00:38:43,974 --> 00:38:45,215 UK United? 615 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,291 - Yeah, yeah, that's it. - Yeah. 616 00:38:48,974 --> 00:38:50,964 We need a curriculum that allows space 617 00:38:50,974 --> 00:38:52,953 for a properly critical understanding 618 00:38:52,963 --> 00:38:55,722 of racism, capitalism, and colonialism 619 00:38:55,732 --> 00:38:57,926 as paradigmatic systems of oppression. 620 00:38:58,014 --> 00:39:00,553 And you giving me that book suggests you have no desire 621 00:39:00,563 --> 00:39:01,631 to go on that journey. 622 00:39:01,641 --> 00:39:05,318 My giving you that book was entirely part of that journey. 623 00:39:05,328 --> 00:39:07,693 It was an attempt to allow you 624 00:39:07,703 --> 00:39:10,795 to understand the life of a woman who, first hand, 625 00:39:10,805 --> 00:39:13,852 had experienced many of the oppressions you've just described. 626 00:39:13,862 --> 00:39:16,570 The book, maybe, I haven't read it. You giving it to me, no. 627 00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:17,478 And how's that? 628 00:39:17,488 --> 00:39:19,563 Our reading list remains achingly white, 629 00:39:19,573 --> 00:39:21,399 so your offer was at best, tokenistic, 630 00:39:21,409 --> 00:39:22,974 and at worst, a deliberate insult. 631 00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:28,618 - An insult to who? - To all people of colour. 632 00:39:28,628 --> 00:39:30,732 - But you're white. - It was a blatant "fuck you". 633 00:39:30,742 --> 00:39:32,133 Oh, it just wasn't. 634 00:39:32,143 --> 00:39:34,239 You were literally smirking when you handed it over. 635 00:39:34,249 --> 00:39:36,236 That is just my face. 636 00:39:37,345 --> 00:39:39,448 It angers you that I have a strong opinion, 637 00:39:39,458 --> 00:39:41,731 so you used the title as a weapon to anger me. 638 00:39:41,741 --> 00:39:45,765 No, I just wanted you to read it, you sanctimonious little... 639 00:39:45,775 --> 00:39:47,175 - Juliet... - No, excuse me, my turn now! 640 00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:49,592 I mean, you are proper smart, 641 00:39:49,602 --> 00:39:51,225 Liz, you are super passionate, 642 00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:53,273 but, please, there are so many more important things 643 00:39:53,283 --> 00:39:54,456 in this world to get angry about. 644 00:39:54,466 --> 00:39:57,198 Are you seriously telling us what we can be angry about now? 645 00:39:57,208 --> 00:39:59,359 You know what? I actually am. I know more shit than you. 646 00:39:59,369 --> 00:40:02,893 - You certainly know more shit. - I've lived 37 years more life. 647 00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:07,118 But much more importantly... 648 00:40:14,344 --> 00:40:16,508 the idea that two white people, 649 00:40:16,518 --> 00:40:19,027 sitting in the lecture hall of an elite university 650 00:40:19,037 --> 00:40:21,898 discussing the semantic niceties of the racial lexicon 651 00:40:21,923 --> 00:40:25,244 could in turn meaningfully change the world somehow 652 00:40:25,254 --> 00:40:29,687 is as absurd as it is ever-so-slightly repulsive. 653 00:40:31,381 --> 00:40:33,286 Get a fucking life, Liz. 654 00:40:46,496 --> 00:40:48,222 - BoJo retweeted me! - No! 655 00:40:48,909 --> 00:40:51,146 No way. 656 00:40:51,156 --> 00:40:54,321 Boris Johnson retweeted me! 657 00:40:54,331 --> 00:40:58,496 Whoo! Oh, my God. Boris! 658 00:40:59,986 --> 00:41:03,656 Come on, give me my drink. Boris! Boris! 659 00:41:03,666 --> 00:41:05,986 Boris! Boris! 660 00:41:06,732 --> 00:41:08,732 Retweeted me! 661 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,200 _ 662 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,000 _ 663 00:41:31,638 --> 00:41:33,464 Marty, can I ask you, 664 00:41:33,474 --> 00:41:36,976 how come you ended up working in a job that was so far from home? 665 00:41:36,986 --> 00:41:40,126 Dad got me a supported living flat in Ilford, 666 00:41:40,136 --> 00:41:42,643 then the council put me on a work scheme, 667 00:41:42,653 --> 00:41:43,792 and because I'm strong, 668 00:41:43,802 --> 00:41:46,379 I got the job at the Three Crowns lifting and carrying. 669 00:41:46,389 --> 00:41:48,596 - And who gave you that job? - Mr Cooper. 670 00:41:49,986 --> 00:41:51,681 - Gerry Cooper? - Yes. 671 00:41:51,691 --> 00:41:55,689 - And when was this? - 14th of May, 2019, at 17:30. 672 00:41:55,699 --> 00:41:57,435 And how did you get on with Mr Cooper? 673 00:41:57,445 --> 00:41:58,872 Very nicely, thank you. 674 00:41:59,213 --> 00:42:00,867 He was a chatterbox like me, 675 00:42:01,099 --> 00:42:02,779 could talk the hind legs off a donkey. 676 00:42:02,789 --> 00:42:05,919 OK, well, what did you guys like to talk about? 677 00:42:05,929 --> 00:42:08,656 Er, mainly the world economic forum, 678 00:42:08,666 --> 00:42:12,254 the great replacement theory, and George Soros. 679 00:42:12,506 --> 00:42:14,577 - And work went well? - Work went well, yes. 680 00:42:14,587 --> 00:42:15,888 But then the pandemic happened. 681 00:42:15,898 --> 00:42:18,378 - Yes, then the pandemic happened. - And you were laid off. 682 00:42:18,388 --> 00:42:20,667 - And I was laid off. - That must have been difficult. 683 00:42:20,692 --> 00:42:21,681 Yes. 684 00:42:21,706 --> 00:42:24,442 Can I ask you, Marty, were you ever given furlough? 685 00:42:24,655 --> 00:42:26,146 - Yes, I was. - OK. 686 00:42:26,156 --> 00:42:29,339 Except, we have a note from a fellow employee 687 00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:31,008 who thinks you weren't. 688 00:42:31,095 --> 00:42:34,329 Gerry applied for it for me and got the money, 689 00:42:34,339 --> 00:42:35,702 but he never paid me. 690 00:42:35,727 --> 00:42:38,171 - OK, how do you know this? - My dad found out. 691 00:42:38,181 --> 00:42:41,158 Right, and did you ask Gerry about this? 692 00:42:41,168 --> 00:42:44,049 Yes, and he said he would pay me, but he's "temporarily in a pickle, 693 00:42:44,059 --> 00:42:45,421 "short of the readies, mate." 694 00:42:45,431 --> 00:42:48,380 - But he paid you eventually? - No. No, he never. 695 00:42:49,986 --> 00:42:50,956 Well... 696 00:42:51,694 --> 00:42:53,161 that doesn't sound fair. 697 00:42:53,186 --> 00:42:55,976 - No, it wasn't fair. - So did that make you a bit angry? 698 00:42:55,986 --> 00:42:59,461 Can you be careful, please, about putting words into Marty's mouth? 699 00:42:59,659 --> 00:43:02,660 Of course. My apologies, Marty. 700 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,467 How did it make you feel? 701 00:43:04,492 --> 00:43:06,804 - A bit angry. - OK, can I just... 702 00:43:08,012 --> 00:43:10,043 Do you want to take five minutes, Marty? 703 00:43:10,053 --> 00:43:12,081 No, thank you, thank you for asking. 704 00:43:12,435 --> 00:43:14,411 - Are you sure? - Yes, I'm sure. 705 00:43:16,498 --> 00:43:18,125 Just go gently, please. 706 00:43:18,344 --> 00:43:19,961 Of course. Thank you. 707 00:43:19,986 --> 00:43:24,520 So, did you ever argue with Gerry about the money? 708 00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:26,071 Yes, I did argue with him. 709 00:43:26,081 --> 00:43:28,350 And these were friendly arguments, or...? 710 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,847 Cross arguments. 711 00:43:31,574 --> 00:43:33,260 OK. Er... 712 00:43:37,023 --> 00:43:38,638 Did it ever get physical? 713 00:43:38,648 --> 00:43:40,601 Are you sure you wouldn't like to take a break? 714 00:43:41,318 --> 00:43:43,315 Yes, it got physical. 715 00:43:47,948 --> 00:43:50,461 - When did it get physical? - One time in the pub. 716 00:43:50,471 --> 00:43:52,865 Inside or outside in the pub car park? 717 00:43:53,169 --> 00:43:55,156 - No, inside. - OK. 718 00:43:55,181 --> 00:43:57,621 - Do you wanna tell us what happened? - He pushed me... 719 00:43:58,927 --> 00:44:00,709 and I pushed him back... 720 00:44:01,077 --> 00:44:02,684 up against the wall... 721 00:44:03,214 --> 00:44:06,656 and then I walked away, and that's all that happened. 722 00:44:06,666 --> 00:44:08,806 - And that's all? - Yes, that's all that happened. 723 00:44:08,816 --> 00:44:10,074 You didn't punch him? 724 00:44:10,954 --> 00:44:13,985 Violence is never the answer, DI Sunil Khan. 725 00:44:15,369 --> 00:44:17,615 No, you're absolutely right there, Marty, 726 00:44:17,625 --> 00:44:19,860 but can I tell you why I'm asking? 727 00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:20,970 Yes, please. 728 00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:23,133 Because we have CCTV footage of someone 729 00:44:23,143 --> 00:44:25,156 who looks very much like you, 730 00:44:25,166 --> 00:44:28,627 around the time that we know that Mr Cooper was badly assaulted 731 00:44:28,637 --> 00:44:30,681 walking away from the pub. 732 00:44:32,602 --> 00:44:34,258 Oh, fuck. 733 00:44:35,093 --> 00:44:39,100 Erm, I-I would like to take my break now, please, 734 00:44:39,110 --> 00:44:40,993 so that I can get my story straight. 735 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000 _ 736 00:45:00,010 --> 00:45:02,010 _ 737 00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:04,820 _ 738 00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,696 This is Marty, I can't take your call right now. 739 00:45:13,706 --> 00:45:15,366 Please leave a message. 740 00:45:16,413 --> 00:45:20,536 I don't know if they're listening to this, but... 741 00:45:21,915 --> 00:45:25,848 don't say anything about Daddy... 742 00:45:26,923 --> 00:45:28,285 pickle. 743 00:45:29,722 --> 00:45:31,966 Don't say a single word. 744 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:44,000 *CREDITS*