1 00:01:03,914 --> 00:01:09,890 www.subtitulamos.tv 2 00:02:05,538 --> 00:02:06,876 You made it! 3 00:02:08,081 --> 00:02:09,190 Surprise! 4 00:02:10,769 --> 00:02:12,018 Let's go! 5 00:02:20,206 --> 00:02:21,975 How'd you do that? 6 00:02:23,109 --> 00:02:25,924 Usually, they have test ones like this at the store. 7 00:02:26,166 --> 00:02:28,025 This one handles way better, though. 8 00:02:28,189 --> 00:02:29,658 It isn't beat up yet. 9 00:02:33,495 --> 00:02:35,135 I'll fix it. 10 00:02:52,889 --> 00:02:54,261 Check this out! 11 00:02:59,093 --> 00:03:01,839 Nola, are... are you seeing this? 12 00:03:02,914 --> 00:03:04,206 Girls! 13 00:03:09,626 --> 00:03:10,863 Here you go, baby. 14 00:03:10,889 --> 00:03:12,353 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 15 00:03:12,767 --> 00:03:13,892 Girls? 16 00:03:18,019 --> 00:03:19,907 - Here you go, sweetheart. - Thanks. 17 00:03:23,056 --> 00:03:25,603 Hi, Mrs. Toles. It's so nice to meet you. 18 00:03:25,629 --> 00:03:27,782 It's really nice to meet you too, Sawyer. 19 00:03:28,024 --> 00:03:29,652 After everything Nola's told me about you, 20 00:03:29,678 --> 00:03:31,837 I guess, I imagined you'd be 12 feet tall. 21 00:03:33,792 --> 00:03:36,032 Well, I am normal size. 22 00:03:38,073 --> 00:03:39,400 Did you bike here? 23 00:03:41,196 --> 00:03:42,722 Don't you live down at the base? 24 00:03:42,780 --> 00:03:43,815 Yeah. 25 00:03:45,790 --> 00:03:47,392 Do your parents know you're here? 26 00:03:47,766 --> 00:03:49,459 Dad and Jill? 27 00:03:49,741 --> 00:03:51,573 Yeah. They said they were busy, 28 00:03:51,598 --> 00:03:53,603 so I got up extra early to bike over. 29 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,428 Wouldn't want to let my friend down. 30 00:03:59,534 --> 00:04:00,905 Well, come on in. 31 00:04:05,709 --> 00:04:07,530 You have your own room? 32 00:04:07,556 --> 00:04:09,647 No. It's me and Holden. 33 00:04:09,673 --> 00:04:12,225 - Where's his name? - Well, I make the rules. 34 00:04:19,357 --> 00:04:20,655 Holy! 35 00:04:22,255 --> 00:04:24,568 You have a TV in your room? 36 00:04:25,828 --> 00:04:26,905 What... 37 00:04:27,046 --> 00:04:28,815 Where did you get all of this? 38 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:31,725 My mom. We watch a lot of movies at night. 39 00:04:32,576 --> 00:04:34,022 Can I show you something? 40 00:04:34,452 --> 00:04:35,498 Yeah. 41 00:04:37,908 --> 00:04:38,976 Come on. 42 00:05:04,011 --> 00:05:05,396 Don't tell Holden. 43 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,009 - Did you guys wash up? - Yeah. 44 00:05:25,929 --> 00:05:27,160 Are you sure? 45 00:05:28,027 --> 00:05:31,264 - Sawyer didn't. - Mind your own business. 46 00:05:31,579 --> 00:05:33,340 I'm just saying. 47 00:05:36,141 --> 00:05:38,183 That's not where we keep the dishes, dear. 48 00:05:40,262 --> 00:05:42,505 You're right. I'm sorry, Mrs. Toles. 49 00:05:43,461 --> 00:05:46,637 Why don't you wash up? Dinner's ready. 50 00:06:08,853 --> 00:06:10,868 So, Robyn, she was following me, 51 00:06:10,894 --> 00:06:13,380 and she kept yelling, "Nerd alert, nerd alert." 52 00:06:13,406 --> 00:06:14,486 And it was so annoying! 53 00:06:14,512 --> 00:06:16,767 And I told her to stop, but she wouldn't listen. 54 00:06:16,934 --> 00:06:19,517 So then, Sawyer, she's like... 55 00:06:19,833 --> 00:06:22,853 "You better stop, or else..." 56 00:06:23,853 --> 00:06:26,087 And then Robyn's like, "Or else what?" 57 00:06:26,113 --> 00:06:27,501 "Are you gonna tattletale on me?" 58 00:06:27,609 --> 00:06:31,501 And, so Sawyer, she leans in super-close, 59 00:06:31,847 --> 00:06:33,868 and she whispers something to her, 60 00:06:34,430 --> 00:06:36,211 and then Robyn, she turns around, 61 00:06:36,237 --> 00:06:37,946 she apologizes to me, 62 00:06:38,513 --> 00:06:40,556 and then she walks away. 63 00:06:40,943 --> 00:06:43,103 Wait, what did you say to her? 64 00:06:45,243 --> 00:06:48,290 I just asked her nicely to apologize to my friend. 65 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:53,835 And how are you enjoying middle school, Sawyer? 66 00:06:55,225 --> 00:06:58,194 I like it a lot. It's way better than my last school. 67 00:06:58,284 --> 00:06:59,288 How so? 68 00:06:59,314 --> 00:07:01,632 Everything's just, like, really clean and new. 69 00:07:03,316 --> 00:07:04,835 Do you like your teachers? 70 00:07:06,038 --> 00:07:09,397 Yeah. They're just... like, really into teaching. 71 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,967 Okay... this one time... 72 00:07:12,635 --> 00:07:14,749 I forgot to do my math homework, right? 73 00:07:14,792 --> 00:07:18,194 And Mr. Munroe, actually called my house. 74 00:07:18,341 --> 00:07:20,725 It was so funny, and he was furious. 75 00:07:20,751 --> 00:07:23,397 And he was on the phone with my dad for like an hour. 76 00:07:23,753 --> 00:07:26,827 What a loser. I'm like, get a life. 77 00:07:31,970 --> 00:07:34,478 Mrs. Toles, could we be ex... 78 00:07:34,703 --> 00:07:36,345 could we be excused? 79 00:07:37,675 --> 00:07:38,676 Yeah. 80 00:07:40,422 --> 00:07:42,384 Thank you. The food was amazing. 81 00:07:42,656 --> 00:07:44,591 - Thank you so much. - You're welcome. 82 00:08:08,060 --> 00:08:09,597 What? You're gonna miss the movie. 83 00:08:09,622 --> 00:08:11,037 Only for a minute. 84 00:08:14,082 --> 00:08:15,920 You don't have any scary movies? 85 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:19,031 Well, we don't really like scary movies. 86 00:08:19,369 --> 00:08:21,950 That's just because you haven't watched the right ones. 87 00:08:22,951 --> 00:08:26,012 Okay. So, we're gonna start with this, 88 00:08:26,490 --> 00:08:28,654 and then, maybe if we have time... 89 00:08:29,709 --> 00:08:31,811 - How we doing? - Good. 90 00:08:31,904 --> 00:08:34,771 Good. All right, well, unfortunately, it is bedtime. 91 00:08:34,797 --> 00:08:36,123 Time to clean up. 92 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:38,834 What... wait. Bedtime already? 93 00:08:39,786 --> 00:08:42,834 Bedtime's nine o'clock. No exceptions. 94 00:08:43,114 --> 00:08:44,318 It's getting late. 95 00:08:44,543 --> 00:08:45,810 You need to get home. 96 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:48,404 Mrs. Toles. 97 00:08:48,642 --> 00:08:50,193 Do you allow sleepovers? 98 00:09:01,602 --> 00:09:03,462 You can come back some other time, 99 00:09:03,888 --> 00:09:06,224 and you can watch as many movies with Nola as you'd like. 100 00:09:07,237 --> 00:09:08,757 Right now it's getting late. 101 00:09:09,134 --> 00:09:10,538 You need to get home. 102 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,727 You don't want your parents to worry. 103 00:09:13,276 --> 00:09:15,305 My parents, they don't worry. 104 00:09:17,522 --> 00:09:19,090 Let's get you packed up. 105 00:10:15,272 --> 00:10:16,459 Did you hear that? 106 00:10:16,702 --> 00:10:18,283 We should get Mom. 107 00:10:19,471 --> 00:10:21,573 Guys... It's Sawyer. 108 00:10:23,041 --> 00:10:25,099 Come on! I'm out back. 109 00:10:54,455 --> 00:10:55,606 Sawyer! 110 00:10:56,899 --> 00:10:58,142 Hey! 111 00:10:58,168 --> 00:11:00,200 Guess we're having a sleepover after all. 112 00:11:53,335 --> 00:11:56,782 Why does your mom have all these crazy locks around the house? 113 00:11:56,928 --> 00:11:58,514 To keep us safe at night. 114 00:11:59,641 --> 00:12:01,023 That's insane. 115 00:12:01,049 --> 00:12:03,475 This is the safest neighborhood I've ever seen. 116 00:12:04,655 --> 00:12:06,421 You shouldn't have come back here. 117 00:12:07,333 --> 00:12:08,609 You say that now, 118 00:12:08,712 --> 00:12:10,561 but wait till you see what I brought. 119 00:12:12,046 --> 00:12:14,241 A black square from another dimension! 120 00:12:14,266 --> 00:12:16,310 A creepy haunted doll! 121 00:12:16,335 --> 00:12:18,850 A serial killer chopping up the neighborhood kids! 122 00:12:20,272 --> 00:12:21,913 Oh, never mind, this one sucks. 123 00:12:26,188 --> 00:12:27,723 Everything okay? 124 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:31,826 Don't be scared. 125 00:12:31,984 --> 00:12:33,778 Maybe we can watch one of my movies, 126 00:12:33,804 --> 00:12:35,541 then we can watch one of yours. 127 00:12:36,554 --> 00:12:37,555 Okay. 128 00:12:38,059 --> 00:12:40,629 It's a sleepover. This is what best friends do. 129 00:12:41,317 --> 00:12:43,062 - Okay? - Yeah, okay. 130 00:12:43,425 --> 00:12:45,572 - Which one do we watch first? - That one. 131 00:12:45,598 --> 00:12:46,926 - This one? - I'll show you how to put it in. 132 00:12:46,952 --> 00:12:48,231 - Okay. - Come on. 133 00:12:51,282 --> 00:12:52,793 Okay, watch, watch, watch. 134 00:12:52,819 --> 00:12:55,149 She's gonna stab the knife into his throat. 135 00:12:55,174 --> 00:12:57,973 It's gonna be so cool. Just give it a second, just give it a second... 136 00:13:00,412 --> 00:13:02,782 Isn't that so cool? 137 00:13:03,642 --> 00:13:04,809 Come on. 138 00:13:09,083 --> 00:13:11,340 Could we, maybe, watch a different movie now? 139 00:13:11,776 --> 00:13:13,277 It's getting to the good part. 140 00:13:13,821 --> 00:13:15,793 Why are we watching this? 141 00:13:23,193 --> 00:13:24,442 Did you like it? 142 00:13:25,388 --> 00:13:26,422 No. 143 00:13:26,882 --> 00:13:28,317 Was it too scary? 144 00:13:28,857 --> 00:13:31,168 No, it was just gross. 145 00:13:32,508 --> 00:13:34,145 You think you can do better? 146 00:13:35,267 --> 00:13:38,926 All right, Nola, give us your best scary story. 147 00:13:39,136 --> 00:13:40,723 I don't think I have one. 148 00:13:41,401 --> 00:13:43,926 Come on, everyone has at least one. 149 00:13:50,092 --> 00:13:52,614 Well, there was this one kid... 150 00:13:53,455 --> 00:13:54,997 his name was Tucker. 151 00:13:55,823 --> 00:13:58,223 He and his family moved to a new neighborhood. 152 00:13:58,723 --> 00:14:00,286 It was kind of like this one. 153 00:14:00,589 --> 00:14:02,559 The people and the houses, you know? 154 00:14:04,107 --> 00:14:08,020 But, this neighborhood had a dark secret. 155 00:14:09,611 --> 00:14:11,950 When Tucker and his family first moved in, 156 00:14:12,473 --> 00:14:15,505 folks from around the neighborhood warned his dad and mom 157 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,325 about a whistle that came from the woods. 158 00:14:20,684 --> 00:14:22,856 Tucker couldn't really hear much of what they were saying, 159 00:14:22,882 --> 00:14:24,747 but he could tell it was serious. 160 00:14:25,528 --> 00:14:27,817 And one night, his dad told him 161 00:14:27,843 --> 00:14:31,333 that if he ever heard anything, 162 00:14:32,037 --> 00:14:36,567 anything coming from the woods at 3:00 a.m., 163 00:14:36,798 --> 00:14:40,755 to stay in bed and go back to sleep. 164 00:14:42,943 --> 00:14:46,080 The problem was, Tucker didn't listen to his parents. 165 00:14:48,067 --> 00:14:51,557 And he'd sneak out of bed sometimes to hear the whistle. 166 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,973 And he could hear it real well if he was in the right spot. 167 00:15:05,609 --> 00:15:08,164 The thing is, if you hear the whistle every night, 168 00:15:08,190 --> 00:15:09,617 it lures you in. 169 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,109 It wants to be found. 170 00:15:13,437 --> 00:15:15,640 And one night, Tucker just couldn't take it anymore. 171 00:15:15,666 --> 00:15:17,191 He needed to know what was going on, 172 00:15:17,216 --> 00:15:19,570 and so, he drew up his blinds and... 173 00:15:23,513 --> 00:15:25,445 No one ever saw him again. 174 00:15:31,074 --> 00:15:32,640 That was a nice story. 175 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,859 For being about a scary whistle. 176 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:37,359 Where did you hear that one? 177 00:15:38,969 --> 00:15:40,585 We hear it every night. 178 00:15:42,391 --> 00:15:43,437 Wait, 179 00:15:43,770 --> 00:15:47,367 so you're saying that's this neighborhood? 180 00:15:49,821 --> 00:15:52,765 Nuh-nice try. You almost got me there, though. 181 00:15:56,634 --> 00:15:58,140 We should go to bed. 182 00:15:59,208 --> 00:16:01,804 Wait, guys, I thought we were gonna watch another movie. 183 00:16:02,264 --> 00:16:04,937 Nola, Holden, come on. 184 00:16:04,963 --> 00:16:07,297 We have to be quiet, okay? My mom might hear. 185 00:16:58,604 --> 00:16:59,948 No way. 186 00:17:43,775 --> 00:17:44,851 Who's there? 187 00:17:55,466 --> 00:17:56,690 Is this a trick? 188 00:17:57,443 --> 00:17:59,214 Did Nola put you up to this? 189 00:18:56,719 --> 00:18:57,954 Sawyer? 190 00:19:12,675 --> 00:19:13,873 Sawyer? 191 00:19:42,050 --> 00:19:43,646 What did you see? 192 00:19:49,967 --> 00:19:51,168 It's here. 193 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,529 Upstairs, now! 194 00:20:04,196 --> 00:20:05,912 Hey, is that Sawyer? 195 00:20:06,009 --> 00:20:07,935 It's me, Mr. Toles. 196 00:20:10,787 --> 00:20:14,389 Come on outside. I'd love to meet you. 197 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,162 Come to me! 198 00:20:50,620 --> 00:20:53,008 I'm gonna have to ask you to step outside. 199 00:20:54,092 --> 00:20:55,394 Wait, what? 200 00:20:57,164 --> 00:20:59,664 I can't let it hurt my family again. 201 00:21:00,764 --> 00:21:02,578 It wants you. 202 00:21:03,144 --> 00:21:05,921 Please... please don't make me go outside. 203 00:21:06,283 --> 00:21:07,453 Please. 204 00:21:08,333 --> 00:21:10,375 Please, I don't want to die. 205 00:21:10,401 --> 00:21:12,656 I know I broke the rules, I know I shouldn't have. 206 00:21:12,703 --> 00:21:14,875 Please, please, please. 207 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,086 I'm not gonna ask you again. 208 00:21:18,518 --> 00:21:19,656 Mom? 209 00:21:19,682 --> 00:21:21,805 Go to your room! 210 00:21:27,201 --> 00:21:28,985 I'm sorry, Sawyer. 211 00:23:22,552 --> 00:23:23,784 Hey, Nola. 212 00:23:23,981 --> 00:23:25,205 It's Sawyer. 213 00:23:25,357 --> 00:23:27,042 Do you want to keep playing? 214 00:23:28,472 --> 00:23:30,136 Please listen Nola. 215 00:23:30,454 --> 00:23:33,565 I have so many things I want to show you. 216 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:43,050 _ 217 00:23:43,348 --> 00:23:49,456 www.subtitulamos.tv 218 00:23:52,321 --> 00:23:54,003 Welcome back from The Void. 219 00:23:54,299 --> 00:23:55,400 Thanks for watching. 220 00:23:55,763 --> 00:23:59,367 I'm David Cummings, the creator and host of the NoSleep podcast. 221 00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:02,407 Today, we're joined by author Travis Brown, 222 00:24:02,841 --> 00:24:04,609 writer of the NoSleep story 223 00:24:05,043 --> 00:24:09,281 "Something Walks Whistling Past My House Every Night at 3:03," 224 00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:12,083 which we've adapted into the episode titled, 225 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:13,752 "Whistle in the Woods." 226 00:24:14,486 --> 00:24:16,788 Welcome, Travis. Thanks for being with us today. 227 00:24:17,222 --> 00:24:18,690 David, thank you so much for having me. 228 00:24:19,324 --> 00:24:21,501 You have contributed many stories 229 00:24:21,526 --> 00:24:22,961 to the NoSleep subreddits, 230 00:24:23,395 --> 00:24:25,864 and you've been doing that for a number of years now. 231 00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,041 I'm curious how you discovered NoSleep, 232 00:24:28,066 --> 00:24:30,477 and what drew you to the stories, 233 00:24:30,502 --> 00:24:31,970 reading them and then writing them. 234 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:33,647 Yeah, absolutely. 235 00:24:33,672 --> 00:24:36,750 So, I've always been a big fan of horror my entire life, 236 00:24:36,775 --> 00:24:38,618 particularly, you know, consuming horror literature, 237 00:24:38,643 --> 00:24:42,489 short stories. I've got a million paperback anthologies 238 00:24:42,514 --> 00:24:45,091 from Amazon, from back when that first started being, 239 00:24:45,116 --> 00:24:46,418 you know, a big thing with books. 240 00:24:46,818 --> 00:24:50,889 But, I found Reddit NoSleep through my internet search, 241 00:24:51,089 --> 00:24:53,433 diving through different creepypastas 242 00:24:53,458 --> 00:24:54,501 throughout the years. 243 00:24:54,526 --> 00:24:56,803 And as soon as I found NoSleep, I was hooked. 244 00:24:56,828 --> 00:24:59,539 Obviously, the entire vibe around it 245 00:24:59,564 --> 00:25:03,343 is built around reader buy-in, and immersion of the stories, 246 00:25:03,368 --> 00:25:06,571 and it's just such a unique horror community online. 247 00:25:07,672 --> 00:25:10,283 And what was it about the community that drew you 248 00:25:10,308 --> 00:25:12,786 to wanting to write and post stories there? 249 00:25:12,811 --> 00:25:13,887 Was there something about 250 00:25:13,912 --> 00:25:15,255 the community that really felt... 251 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,581 made you feel comfortable to do so? 252 00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:18,258 Absolutely. 253 00:25:18,283 --> 00:25:20,494 Part of it, is just it being such a supportive community, 254 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,896 everyone from the moderators of the subreddit 255 00:25:22,921 --> 00:25:26,433 to the fantastic readers, to all the other writers there. 256 00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:28,869 It is one of those places where it feels like 257 00:25:28,894 --> 00:25:30,562 a rising tide lifts all ships. 258 00:25:30,996 --> 00:25:32,472 Everyone wants to see you succeed, 259 00:25:32,497 --> 00:25:34,007 everyone wants to read your story, 260 00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:36,009 everyone wants to talk about what you're writing, 261 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:37,135 and what they're writing. 262 00:25:37,335 --> 00:25:39,112 It's just an amazing place to be, 263 00:25:39,137 --> 00:25:43,650 and such a wonderful, like, jolt of energy as a writer, 264 00:25:43,675 --> 00:25:45,685 is getting to interact with these folks, 265 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:47,212 particularly the readers who will, maybe, 266 00:25:47,412 --> 00:25:49,389 find stuff in your story that you didn't even think about, 267 00:25:49,414 --> 00:25:51,124 then you get to claim credit for it, like, 268 00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:53,159 "Yeah, I put that there on purpose, the entire time." 269 00:25:53,184 --> 00:25:56,696 I'm very curious to know, what inspired this story? 270 00:25:56,721 --> 00:25:58,390 How did that form in your mind? 271 00:25:58,924 --> 00:26:01,601 I think a lot of the stories that I posted on NoSleep, 272 00:26:01,626 --> 00:26:04,796 and just write overall are fairytales at their heart. 273 00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:07,874 That was one of the things that I loved as a kid. 274 00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:10,410 You know, those were two of my favorite genres, 275 00:26:10,435 --> 00:26:13,346 is horror, and then actually, really just classic fairytales 276 00:26:13,371 --> 00:26:14,548 and mythology. Loved all of that. 277 00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:16,575 So blurring them and blending them together 278 00:26:16,942 --> 00:26:18,552 is something that I enjoy and try to do 279 00:26:18,577 --> 00:26:19,644 as much as possible. 280 00:26:19,844 --> 00:26:24,024 So I started with the idea of, you know, this invisible noise 281 00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:28,194 that is just terrible and awful, and it fits into 282 00:26:28,219 --> 00:26:30,597 that fairy tale mold of a villain 283 00:26:30,622 --> 00:26:32,657 that's more of, almost, a concept than a creature. 284 00:26:33,124 --> 00:26:35,769 And then I paired that with all these memories 285 00:26:35,794 --> 00:26:38,071 and nostalgia I had about my neighborhood growing up. 286 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:39,973 'Cause we lived in a very close neighborhood. 287 00:26:39,998 --> 00:26:42,968 I had friends over for sleepovers all the time, 288 00:26:43,368 --> 00:26:45,045 and we used to take turns 289 00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:46,713 just scaring the absolute heck out 290 00:26:46,738 --> 00:26:48,415 of each other with whatever dares 291 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,749 we could come up with. 292 00:26:49,774 --> 00:26:51,351 Getting someone to look out the window 293 00:26:51,376 --> 00:26:53,587 while one of our other friends was out there making noise. 294 00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:56,089 And so all those things, kind of percolated in my mind, 295 00:26:56,114 --> 00:26:58,258 and I thought about, "Well, what if one of those sleepovers 296 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:00,393 that we had where we're trying to scare each other, 297 00:27:00,418 --> 00:27:02,220 there actually was something out there?" 298 00:27:02,554 --> 00:27:05,899 And from there it just kind of jumped out, 299 00:27:05,924 --> 00:27:07,200 and I remember posting it, 300 00:27:07,225 --> 00:27:09,970 and it was only my fourth or fifth story 301 00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:13,139 I'd put on NoSleep. And I had one do really well, 302 00:27:13,164 --> 00:27:15,141 and then a bunch completely flop, 303 00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:18,745 and then I looked at this one after I got off work, 304 00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:21,147 and it had gone through the roof in terms of notifications, 305 00:27:21,172 --> 00:27:23,216 and I think that's the point where I really got hooked 306 00:27:23,241 --> 00:27:25,176 and just wanted to post on NoSleep all the time. 307 00:27:26,044 --> 00:27:27,988 You mentioned how popular the story was 308 00:27:28,013 --> 00:27:30,156 when you first posted it, and it's gone on 309 00:27:30,181 --> 00:27:33,493 to be adapted in many different audio formats, 310 00:27:33,518 --> 00:27:36,821 and now, of course, coming to the screen. 311 00:27:37,355 --> 00:27:38,999 What do you think it is about this story 312 00:27:39,024 --> 00:27:40,859 that people find so compelling? 313 00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:44,504 So, there's a few things that I hope that it is 314 00:27:44,529 --> 00:27:46,106 and there's a few things that I also think 315 00:27:46,131 --> 00:27:47,340 probably play a role. 316 00:27:47,365 --> 00:27:48,875 And for the things I hope that it is, 317 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,044 I think that, maybe, that fairy tale vibe. 318 00:27:51,069 --> 00:27:52,178 that I was going for, 319 00:27:52,203 --> 00:27:54,147 people kind of connect with that. 320 00:27:54,172 --> 00:27:55,715 I think a lot of us just, 321 00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:58,351 you know, feel fairy tales at a fundamental level, 322 00:27:58,376 --> 00:28:00,353 'cause it's such a stark, 323 00:28:00,378 --> 00:28:01,955 but beautiful way to tell stories, 324 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:03,356 where everything is larger than life, 325 00:28:03,381 --> 00:28:05,216 and there's this mixture of reality, 326 00:28:05,984 --> 00:28:07,519 but the surreal coming together. 327 00:28:08,019 --> 00:28:10,430 I also think, maybe, there's a nostalgia factor. 328 00:28:10,455 --> 00:28:12,332 A lot of us, especially '90s kids, 329 00:28:12,357 --> 00:28:13,500 you know, I'm 35 now, 330 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:15,994 so I grew up very prominently in the '90s. 331 00:28:16,661 --> 00:28:19,739 Sleepovers and playing Nintendo 64, 332 00:28:19,764 --> 00:28:21,474 and telling ghost stories, 333 00:28:21,499 --> 00:28:22,976 and all these things that we had to do 334 00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:26,079 before we had the internet for fun, just clicks. 335 00:28:26,104 --> 00:28:28,548 But there's still, always the idea of 336 00:28:28,573 --> 00:28:30,350 dread hiding behind nostalgia, 337 00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:32,185 is what if those monsters that were so scary 338 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:34,521 when we were kids were actually out there? 339 00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:35,989 Maybe we got lucky, and we dodged them, 340 00:28:36,014 --> 00:28:37,716 and we're adults now, but looking back, 341 00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:39,459 you know, you kind of question it. 342 00:28:39,484 --> 00:28:40,727 And then NoSleep helps with that, 343 00:28:40,752 --> 00:28:42,062 because of the immersion, 344 00:28:42,087 --> 00:28:44,197 and the everything being in character. 345 00:28:44,222 --> 00:28:46,399 You know, it really becomes easy to play along with this, 346 00:28:46,424 --> 00:28:48,768 because it's such a shared life experience 347 00:28:48,793 --> 00:28:49,928 for so many folks. 348 00:28:50,261 --> 00:28:53,306 And then, that's all the stuff I hope is why it's popular, 349 00:28:53,331 --> 00:28:55,675 and some of the reasons I think that it might be popular too, 350 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,803 is that, on NoSleep titles are very big, 351 00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:01,414 and I think that I just hit a really good title. 352 00:29:01,439 --> 00:29:02,916 I like to think the story is good too. 353 00:29:02,941 --> 00:29:04,084 I'm very proud of it, 354 00:29:04,109 --> 00:29:07,587 but something about the title, that particular day, 355 00:29:07,612 --> 00:29:10,356 that particular hour, you know, maybe there were some trends 356 00:29:10,381 --> 00:29:12,817 I didn't even know about with invisible monsters, maybe, 357 00:29:13,284 --> 00:29:15,495 you know, there's the start of noise-based horror 358 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,596 coming on after that, 359 00:29:16,621 --> 00:29:18,131 but I think a lot of stars aligned, 360 00:29:18,156 --> 00:29:19,666 and it was a catchy title, 361 00:29:19,691 --> 00:29:22,135 and once it started getting momentum on NoSleep, 362 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,561 it just shot to the top. 363 00:29:23,895 --> 00:29:25,538 And once it was towards the top of NoSleep, 364 00:29:25,563 --> 00:29:27,340 it continued to get momentum from YouTubers, 365 00:29:27,365 --> 00:29:28,775 and podcasts, and... 366 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,468 it just grows. So, NoSleep is great. 367 00:29:30,902 --> 00:29:32,712 Any time a story doesn't do well, though, 368 00:29:32,737 --> 00:29:35,548 there, I would not tell a writer to worry about it. 369 00:29:35,573 --> 00:29:36,816 There is just so much 370 00:29:36,841 --> 00:29:39,219 other randomness involved in it. 371 00:29:39,244 --> 00:29:42,247 The title, the time you post, who's online. 372 00:29:43,081 --> 00:29:44,958 It's an interesting and wonderful place, 373 00:29:44,983 --> 00:29:47,060 but definitely more of a training ground, 374 00:29:47,085 --> 00:29:48,795 rather than a, "I need to be concerned, 375 00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:50,288 'cause my stories aren't getting read." 376 00:29:50,989 --> 00:29:54,934 What draws you to symbols like the time? 377 00:29:54,959 --> 00:29:56,194 3:03 in the morning. 378 00:29:56,661 --> 00:29:59,798 So, the 3:03 is fun. 379 00:30:00,131 --> 00:30:02,976 That one is just based on a really common trope 380 00:30:03,001 --> 00:30:06,780 about kind of evil numbers, 381 00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:09,382 and I think it's even the mocking of the Holy Trinity. 382 00:30:09,407 --> 00:30:11,284 It comes up in The Conjuring. So, that's something 383 00:30:11,309 --> 00:30:12,819 that's been in horror for a while. 384 00:30:12,844 --> 00:30:15,255 And it was just something that also flowed naturally 385 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,457 into the story. Like, well, if there's this creepy thing 386 00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:18,725 that's happening at night, 387 00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:21,161 what's the creepiest possible time at night it could happen? 388 00:30:21,186 --> 00:30:23,630 Like, midnight? Nah, that's not quite there. 389 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:25,056 3:00 a.m. is almost it. 390 00:30:25,356 --> 00:30:27,358 So, 3:03 just kinda clicked with me. 391 00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:29,269 One of the things that I love personally 392 00:30:29,294 --> 00:30:31,337 about the story is the fact that you have 393 00:30:31,362 --> 00:30:34,532 this menacing creature, if you will, 394 00:30:34,866 --> 00:30:37,836 That is only heard, you never see it. 395 00:30:38,203 --> 00:30:41,347 And I think back to famous movies like Jaws, 396 00:30:41,372 --> 00:30:43,950 where the mechanical shark always broke down, 397 00:30:43,975 --> 00:30:46,686 and so people say the movie was more effective 398 00:30:46,711 --> 00:30:48,588 because you didn't see the shark that much, 399 00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:51,658 and you're letting the audience imagine 400 00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,126 what's really out there. 401 00:30:53,151 --> 00:30:54,828 And so, was that your intention? 402 00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,363 To keep this creature just on the fringes? 403 00:30:57,388 --> 00:30:58,998 A heard, never-seen, 404 00:30:59,023 --> 00:31:00,900 and kind of leaving it up to the audience 405 00:31:00,925 --> 00:31:03,928 to imagine who this whistling person or thing is? 406 00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:05,905 Yeah, absolutely. 407 00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:07,841 And that's wonderful that you mentioned Jaws. 408 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,776 That was actually the inspiration, 409 00:31:09,801 --> 00:31:11,878 along with the first Alien movie, which, 410 00:31:11,903 --> 00:31:14,480 both of them... and as a horror movie buff, 411 00:31:14,505 --> 00:31:15,982 I knew this years ago, 412 00:31:16,007 --> 00:31:17,350 and it always kind of stuck with me... 413 00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:19,719 both of those productions encountered budget issues 414 00:31:19,744 --> 00:31:21,487 with their monsters that resulted in 415 00:31:21,512 --> 00:31:23,823 a lot of the footage not being used, 416 00:31:23,848 --> 00:31:26,192 or them being filmed in very dark locations, 417 00:31:26,217 --> 00:31:27,518 and you barely seeing them, 418 00:31:27,752 --> 00:31:29,529 because if you got too good of a look at them... 419 00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:30,864 you know, like you said, Jaws, 420 00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:33,533 the shark looked pretty silly up close in bright daylight, 421 00:31:33,558 --> 00:31:36,227 same thing with the Alien suit, or Predator. 422 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:38,538 But if you just show a hint of it, 423 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:41,007 and let the audience's imagination 424 00:31:41,032 --> 00:31:43,376 fill in the blanks, as long as you're showing them enough 425 00:31:43,401 --> 00:31:46,246 to get them started, usually they will go somewhere 426 00:31:46,271 --> 00:31:49,107 much scarier than you could ever possibly communicate. 427 00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:52,252 There's a fantastic quote, I think it's from Spielberg, 428 00:31:52,277 --> 00:31:54,879 who said, "Never show them the zippers." 429 00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:58,683 And he was referring to, with, like, classic movie monsters, 430 00:31:59,517 --> 00:32:00,660 Swamp Thing, 431 00:32:00,685 --> 00:32:02,228 Monster from the Black Lagoon, 432 00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:04,264 they would have these terrible rubber suits, 433 00:32:04,289 --> 00:32:05,598 and they would be filmed 434 00:32:05,623 --> 00:32:07,600 pretty starkly in the '50s and '60s, 435 00:32:07,625 --> 00:32:09,794 and you could literally see the zippers sometimes. 436 00:32:10,328 --> 00:32:14,374 And it makes the monster more comedic than anything else, 437 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:16,075 which is why so many of those are now 438 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,537 unintentional amazing movies to watch just for the silliness. 439 00:32:20,004 --> 00:32:22,782 But, yeah, so much of it is just the trope built around, 440 00:32:22,807 --> 00:32:23,950 "Nothing is scarier." 441 00:32:23,975 --> 00:32:25,643 You need to find the exact amount 442 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:28,613 to give an audience to get them started 443 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:30,123 and filling in the rest, 444 00:32:30,148 --> 00:32:31,758 and then they will do the work for you, 445 00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:33,418 and they will go way beyond. 446 00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:35,561 Well, Travis, thank you for joining us, 447 00:32:35,586 --> 00:32:38,064 and for sharing your experiences, 448 00:32:38,089 --> 00:32:39,165 your writing approach, 449 00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:41,100 and of course, your great story with us. 450 00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:43,461 And all the best with future endeavors. 451 00:32:44,028 --> 00:32:45,438 David, thank you so much for having me. 452 00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:46,497 I really appreciate it. 453 00:32:46,931 --> 00:32:49,542 Thanks for joining us for this exclusive interview 454 00:32:49,567 --> 00:32:50,935 with our NoSleep writers. 455 00:32:51,336 --> 00:32:53,604 We look forward to you joining us next time.