1 00:01:03,885 --> 00:01:09,893 www.subtitulamos.tv 2 00:01:19,112 --> 00:01:24,350 I, Katie, take thee, Norman, to be my wedded husband, 3 00:01:25,185 --> 00:01:28,936 to have and to hold, from this day forward, 4 00:01:29,515 --> 00:01:33,753 in sickness and in health, for better, for worse, 5 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,262 to love and to cherish, 6 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:39,132 till death do us part. 7 00:01:39,466 --> 00:01:41,405 You may kiss the bride. 8 00:01:54,491 --> 00:01:55,826 We did it. 9 00:02:46,511 --> 00:02:47,854 Oh, my... 10 00:02:48,426 --> 00:02:50,829 Oh, my goodness, Norman! 11 00:02:51,371 --> 00:02:53,815 This house is beautiful! 12 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,341 It's our house now. 13 00:02:56,075 --> 00:02:58,086 Your parents are too generous. 14 00:02:58,111 --> 00:02:59,754 I cannot believe that they gave us 15 00:02:59,779 --> 00:03:01,129 your grandparents' house. 16 00:03:01,644 --> 00:03:04,383 This is everything I could have ever asked for. 17 00:03:04,409 --> 00:03:06,311 Hasn't changed a bit, honestly. 18 00:03:07,558 --> 00:03:08,808 Come on. 19 00:03:18,797 --> 00:03:20,040 You like it? 20 00:03:20,066 --> 00:03:22,110 I can just picture it now. 21 00:03:22,134 --> 00:03:24,789 We'll put the crib here, and... 22 00:03:24,815 --> 00:03:27,551 and the rocking chair right by the window. 23 00:03:36,613 --> 00:03:38,515 We can do whatever you choose. 24 00:04:27,514 --> 00:04:28,882 Sorry. 25 00:04:31,838 --> 00:04:34,693 Great. This should come off. 26 00:04:58,773 --> 00:05:00,475 I've been waiting for this day. 27 00:05:02,719 --> 00:05:04,494 I stayed pure for you. 28 00:05:26,224 --> 00:05:28,630 - Go see Anna for some food. - Here, have some of these. 29 00:05:28,822 --> 00:05:30,560 Thank you so much. 30 00:05:33,066 --> 00:05:36,803 Just fill it up with some diapers, some snacks. 31 00:05:37,498 --> 00:05:40,388 How many toys do we have? We have toys... 32 00:05:44,143 --> 00:05:45,399 Can you... 33 00:05:45,937 --> 00:05:49,790 It can seem hard, doing on your own, 34 00:05:50,227 --> 00:05:54,310 but I think we focus on the negative so much 35 00:05:54,336 --> 00:05:58,610 that we miss the miracle that's right in front of us. 36 00:05:58,929 --> 00:06:02,933 You've been blessed with this life-changing gift. 37 00:06:03,575 --> 00:06:05,852 I was in your very shoes a few short years ago, 38 00:06:05,878 --> 00:06:09,617 and I know it can feel overwhelming at times, 39 00:06:09,643 --> 00:06:13,556 but I can't imagine a life without my Kyle now. 40 00:06:13,994 --> 00:06:15,954 And you're not as alone as you think. 41 00:06:16,422 --> 00:06:18,054 We are your community. 42 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,689 We are here to support your best interests. 43 00:06:22,229 --> 00:06:23,764 Excuse me. Okay. 44 00:06:39,092 --> 00:06:40,428 Norman? 45 00:06:41,623 --> 00:06:43,233 - Norman? - Yeah? 46 00:06:43,259 --> 00:06:46,028 - Norman, come, come look. - What? 47 00:06:56,805 --> 00:06:58,132 I'm gonna be a father? 48 00:06:58,158 --> 00:06:59,344 Yeah. 49 00:07:05,691 --> 00:07:07,794 Our prayers have been answered. 50 00:07:11,826 --> 00:07:13,348 Do you want a boy or a girl? 51 00:07:13,374 --> 00:07:16,411 I don't care, as long as they're healthy. 52 00:07:18,204 --> 00:07:20,147 I love you so much. 53 00:08:01,020 --> 00:08:04,557 If it's a girl, I like the name Violet. 54 00:08:04,943 --> 00:08:06,178 That's a pretty name. 55 00:08:06,654 --> 00:08:08,487 Or Veronica? 56 00:08:08,888 --> 00:08:11,332 I don't know, I'm drawn to the letter V... 57 00:08:11,357 --> 00:08:13,166 for some reason. 58 00:08:13,593 --> 00:08:15,159 What about if it's a boy? 59 00:08:16,529 --> 00:08:18,030 I like the name David. 60 00:08:18,865 --> 00:08:19,966 Very strong. 61 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:22,335 Tough. 62 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,576 Katie? You okay? 63 00:08:35,133 --> 00:08:36,234 Katie? 64 00:08:36,547 --> 00:08:38,007 You okay? 65 00:08:38,750 --> 00:08:39,789 Baby? 66 00:08:40,821 --> 00:08:43,055 Talk to me. What's goin' on, honey? 67 00:08:43,651 --> 00:08:44,688 Katie. 68 00:08:44,931 --> 00:08:46,299 Katie, you okay? 69 00:08:46,325 --> 00:08:47,484 Katie... 70 00:08:47,786 --> 00:08:49,716 What happened? What happened? What happened? 71 00:08:49,742 --> 00:08:51,685 What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? 72 00:08:51,711 --> 00:08:54,246 Katie, Katie. No, no, no, no, no, it's okay, it's okay. 73 00:09:34,974 --> 00:09:36,651 Please wait a minute. 74 00:09:36,871 --> 00:09:38,591 What's going on? 75 00:09:40,112 --> 00:09:41,981 The doctor will be with you shortly. 76 00:10:01,302 --> 00:10:03,404 I'm afraid I have some bad news. 77 00:10:04,810 --> 00:10:06,946 The fetus has anencephaly, 78 00:10:07,347 --> 00:10:10,584 which is a severe congenital condition 79 00:10:10,784 --> 00:10:13,610 where a large part of the skull is absent, 80 00:10:13,636 --> 00:10:15,171 along with a part of the brain. 81 00:10:16,888 --> 00:10:19,535 I'm very sorry, but it is a fatal condition. 82 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,337 If it is born, 83 00:10:23,656 --> 00:10:27,743 it will die within a few hours or days 84 00:10:28,335 --> 00:10:30,280 or, at the most, weeks. 85 00:10:31,652 --> 00:10:34,964 We should probably begin discussions around termination. 86 00:10:34,990 --> 00:10:36,291 What did you say? 87 00:10:36,902 --> 00:10:39,184 Our front desk handles the scheduling. 88 00:10:39,210 --> 00:10:41,983 I think it's likely best we get something on the calendar soon. 89 00:10:42,132 --> 00:10:43,865 You want to abort our baby? 90 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:48,253 Sir, the fetus is not viable. 91 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:51,020 You cannot force me to commit a sin. 92 00:10:51,590 --> 00:10:53,694 It is in the best interest of your wife. 93 00:10:54,022 --> 00:10:56,099 If she carries that child to term, 94 00:10:56,125 --> 00:10:57,327 she could die. 95 00:10:58,991 --> 00:11:01,783 Her health is very much at risk here. 96 00:11:02,705 --> 00:11:04,605 I understand the emotions around this, 97 00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:06,707 but there is a very real danger here 98 00:11:06,732 --> 00:11:08,342 that I would beg you to consider. 99 00:11:08,367 --> 00:11:10,403 You want to condone murder, huh? 100 00:11:11,899 --> 00:11:14,368 I know that this is very difficult, 101 00:11:14,830 --> 00:11:16,306 and a lot to take in, 102 00:11:16,332 --> 00:11:18,501 so I will leave you both for now. 103 00:11:18,711 --> 00:11:19,920 If you need anything, 104 00:11:19,945 --> 00:11:21,747 Nurse Cora here will take care of you. 105 00:11:22,095 --> 00:11:23,924 Is it a boy or a girl? 106 00:11:24,784 --> 00:11:27,814 I need to know, is it a son or a daughter? 107 00:11:28,096 --> 00:11:30,439 I have a right to know this information! 108 00:11:38,664 --> 00:11:40,166 How are you doing, hon? 109 00:11:45,806 --> 00:11:47,440 Do you believe in God? 110 00:11:48,974 --> 00:11:50,042 I do. 111 00:11:51,610 --> 00:11:55,204 What would God do in a moment like this? 112 00:11:57,195 --> 00:11:59,227 My God is a forgiving one. 113 00:12:00,453 --> 00:12:02,501 He values all lives, 114 00:12:03,487 --> 00:12:05,436 not just the new ones. 115 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:12,765 I'd like to book that appointment. 116 00:12:27,813 --> 00:12:29,315 Oh, my God. 117 00:13:05,072 --> 00:13:08,703 _ 118 00:13:08,728 --> 00:13:11,320 _ 119 00:13:11,345 --> 00:13:15,055 _ 120 00:13:24,938 --> 00:13:27,279 _ 121 00:13:27,305 --> 00:13:29,056 _ 122 00:14:23,128 --> 00:14:24,129 Norman? 123 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,853 What are you doing? 124 00:14:29,026 --> 00:14:31,940 Oh, I'm sorry. Did I wake you up? 125 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,393 I just couldn't wait. 126 00:14:35,737 --> 00:14:37,336 I'll try to be a bit more quiet. 127 00:14:39,065 --> 00:14:41,346 Are you sure that... 128 00:14:41,814 --> 00:14:43,362 we should be... 129 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:46,486 We have a lot of work to do to prepare for our son. 130 00:14:48,787 --> 00:14:49,961 Son? 131 00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:54,615 The Lord gave us a son. 132 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:57,880 A son. He's definitely my boy. 133 00:14:58,179 --> 00:15:00,215 He's got those strong cheekbones. 134 00:15:01,667 --> 00:15:02,810 Norman... 135 00:15:02,835 --> 00:15:04,672 Okay, okay, I admit, 136 00:15:05,141 --> 00:15:06,821 I prayed for a son, but... 137 00:15:07,265 --> 00:15:08,891 we can pray for a daughter next. 138 00:15:13,105 --> 00:15:15,172 But they said that it... 139 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:19,652 that it's not gonna... 140 00:15:22,821 --> 00:15:26,091 God will take care of us and our baby. 141 00:15:27,526 --> 00:15:28,928 Don't you have faith? 142 00:16:00,826 --> 00:16:02,836 Too bad I sold all my maternity clothes. 143 00:16:02,861 --> 00:16:04,349 I would have let you have them. 144 00:16:04,669 --> 00:16:07,203 Well, Norman's parents are so supportive. 145 00:16:07,229 --> 00:16:09,331 They're taking care of everything. 146 00:16:09,916 --> 00:16:12,752 Oh, my goodness, Katie, you have to see this one. 147 00:16:15,536 --> 00:16:17,638 Anna, can I ask you something? 148 00:16:19,878 --> 00:16:21,313 Of course, anything. 149 00:16:23,615 --> 00:16:24,945 Do you think... 150 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:30,062 there are any exceptions to the Church's teachings? 151 00:16:32,953 --> 00:16:35,201 You're the one that taught me that even if you can't see it, 152 00:16:35,227 --> 00:16:37,086 the Lord has a plan for you. 153 00:16:43,502 --> 00:16:45,917 God's a provider, and... 154 00:16:46,154 --> 00:16:49,024 Kyle is the best gift I've ever received. 155 00:16:54,524 --> 00:16:57,118 What are you actually asking about? 156 00:17:00,698 --> 00:17:01,954 Nothing. 157 00:17:02,941 --> 00:17:04,110 N... nothing. 158 00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:04,550 Lord of the Nations, 159 00:18:04,983 --> 00:18:07,453 you display your power in all the world. 160 00:18:08,253 --> 00:18:09,788 You made the lame walk, 161 00:18:10,389 --> 00:18:14,164 you healed the sick, and you raised the dead. 162 00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:19,158 You conquered death in your own resurrection. 163 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,351 Lord, bless me and keep me. 164 00:18:31,633 --> 00:18:33,635 Make your faith shine upon me. 165 00:18:34,213 --> 00:18:37,937 Turn your face towards me and give me peace. 166 00:18:39,318 --> 00:18:41,328 Through Jesus Christ, our Lord. 167 00:18:41,501 --> 00:18:42,664 Amen. 168 00:18:58,853 --> 00:19:00,213 Katie? 169 00:19:00,657 --> 00:19:02,095 Is everything all right? 170 00:19:04,943 --> 00:19:06,814 Hey, why don't you just... 171 00:19:07,412 --> 00:19:09,174 come join me over here for a minute? 172 00:19:21,794 --> 00:19:24,321 How do we know that the things... 173 00:19:24,763 --> 00:19:26,465 that we do are just? 174 00:19:27,399 --> 00:19:28,433 It's... 175 00:19:29,902 --> 00:19:32,371 not so easy to see the right path. 176 00:19:33,205 --> 00:19:34,873 And what does your heart tell you? 177 00:19:41,616 --> 00:19:44,690 Just... just know that whatever you choose 178 00:19:44,919 --> 00:19:47,889 has implications beyond just yourself. 179 00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:51,560 Some sins cannot be forgiven. 180 00:19:53,091 --> 00:19:55,471 And God's justice is perfect. 181 00:19:57,455 --> 00:19:58,990 He has all the answers. 182 00:19:59,498 --> 00:20:01,867 You just need to know which questions to ask. 183 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:05,846 Shame on you! 184 00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:08,348 Shame on you! Shame on you! 185 00:20:08,507 --> 00:20:12,692 Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! 186 00:20:12,809 --> 00:20:18,025 Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! 187 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:19,359 Murderer! 188 00:20:19,832 --> 00:20:21,372 Shame on you! 189 00:20:21,504 --> 00:20:25,322 Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! 190 00:20:25,348 --> 00:20:26,754 Murderer! 191 00:20:27,122 --> 00:20:29,769 Shame on you! Shame on you! 192 00:20:29,795 --> 00:20:31,672 Pro-choice, that's a lie! 193 00:20:31,697 --> 00:20:33,540 Babies never choose to die! 194 00:20:33,565 --> 00:20:35,375 Pro-choice, that's a lie! 195 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,364 Babies never choose to die! 196 00:20:57,422 --> 00:20:59,224 Don't forget to take your prenatals. 197 00:21:13,372 --> 00:21:15,040 See you tonight, my love. 198 00:21:22,258 --> 00:21:24,323 And forgive us our trespasses, 199 00:21:24,349 --> 00:21:27,331 as we forgive those who trespass against us, 200 00:21:27,357 --> 00:21:29,585 and lead us not into temptation, 201 00:21:29,935 --> 00:21:31,651 but deliver us from evil, 202 00:21:31,677 --> 00:21:33,245 for thine is the kingdom, 203 00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:36,521 the power, and the glory, forever and ever. 204 00:21:36,582 --> 00:21:37,708 Amen. 205 00:23:23,087 --> 00:23:26,188 Norman, Norman, Norman... 206 00:23:38,683 --> 00:23:41,159 Norman, I don't want it. 207 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,721 Don't want what? 208 00:23:43,855 --> 00:23:45,401 I don't want this. 209 00:23:46,091 --> 00:23:47,533 Its brain is leaking. 210 00:23:47,793 --> 00:23:50,229 And it doesn't have a skull. 211 00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:53,598 - Please? - Katie... 212 00:23:55,096 --> 00:23:56,635 I thought you loved me. 213 00:23:57,881 --> 00:24:00,049 Of course I love you, but I... 214 00:24:00,813 --> 00:24:01,962 I'm... 215 00:24:03,241 --> 00:24:06,446 I'm really, really scared. 216 00:24:07,105 --> 00:24:08,873 What would your family think of you? 217 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,264 - But... - Your friends? Huh? 218 00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,656 But, what about me? 219 00:24:17,989 --> 00:24:20,178 It is a mortal sin. 220 00:24:20,703 --> 00:24:24,274 A sin that will damn you to the pits of hell. 221 00:24:26,198 --> 00:24:27,966 And what about me, huh? 222 00:24:30,101 --> 00:24:32,582 I'm really, really scared. 223 00:24:33,638 --> 00:24:35,611 So you wanna kill our baby? 224 00:24:36,346 --> 00:24:38,051 - What? - Is that what you're saying? 225 00:24:38,076 --> 00:24:39,252 I don't know. 226 00:24:39,355 --> 00:24:40,752 You wanna kill our baby? 227 00:24:40,861 --> 00:24:42,682 - I don't know. - You wanna hurt 228 00:24:42,893 --> 00:24:45,225 - our beautiful, little baby boy, huh? - I can't, I can't. 229 00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:47,400 You wanna kill our baby?! 230 00:24:51,810 --> 00:24:55,536 I'm sorry, Norman. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 231 00:24:55,731 --> 00:24:57,455 - I'm sorry. - It's okay. 232 00:24:57,481 --> 00:24:59,531 - It's okay. It's okay. - I am sorry. 233 00:24:59,857 --> 00:25:02,593 I forgive you, I forgive you, I forgive you. 234 00:25:03,201 --> 00:25:05,575 It's okay, it's okay, it's okay. 235 00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:08,802 It's okay, I forgive you. 236 00:25:26,625 --> 00:25:28,351 Here comes the cake! 237 00:25:28,753 --> 00:25:29,960 Yay! 238 00:26:14,439 --> 00:26:15,735 Stop! 239 00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:19,228 It's gonna die. 240 00:26:19,423 --> 00:26:20,687 Are you okay? 241 00:26:20,712 --> 00:26:22,267 Get her some water! 242 00:26:23,682 --> 00:26:25,821 Call Norman! Somebody get Norman! 243 00:26:27,112 --> 00:26:29,761 She needs help! Somebody call 911. 244 00:26:29,787 --> 00:26:31,522 I don't know what to do! 245 00:26:47,138 --> 00:26:50,153 David couldn't wait, so he's just coming a bit early, okay? 246 00:26:51,779 --> 00:26:53,281 I want it out! 247 00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:54,888 I'm right here for you, baby. 248 00:26:54,914 --> 00:26:57,505 - I'm right here. - No, don't touch me! 249 00:26:58,450 --> 00:27:00,434 Breathe. Push. You can do it. 250 00:27:00,764 --> 00:27:02,192 Get it out of me! 251 00:27:02,314 --> 00:27:05,044 Just breathe and push. 252 00:27:05,985 --> 00:27:07,614 You're doin' great. You're doin' great. 253 00:27:08,129 --> 00:27:10,299 Push! And breathe. 254 00:27:10,325 --> 00:27:11,770 Push. You can do it, okay? 255 00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:13,356 Son's almost here. 256 00:27:13,763 --> 00:27:16,237 I can't believe you made me do this! 257 00:27:16,263 --> 00:27:18,153 He's almost here. He's almost here. 258 00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:20,442 Keep pushing! 259 00:27:21,239 --> 00:27:23,274 That's it, baby. Fight, fight, fight. 260 00:27:23,302 --> 00:27:25,770 - Breathe right through it... - Shame on you! 261 00:27:25,796 --> 00:27:28,088 - Breathe and push! I'm right here! - Shame on you! 262 00:27:28,113 --> 00:27:30,213 I, Katie, take thee, Norman... 263 00:27:30,239 --> 00:27:32,885 Even if you can't see it, the Lord has a plan for you. 264 00:27:32,911 --> 00:27:34,728 God's justice is perfect. 265 00:27:34,753 --> 00:27:37,674 That will damn you to the pits of hell. 266 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:40,684 If she carries that child to term, she could die. 267 00:27:40,792 --> 00:27:43,278 You wanna kill our baby? 268 00:27:43,638 --> 00:27:46,450 Shame on you! Shame on you! 269 00:28:57,527 --> 00:29:00,355 _ 270 00:29:00,754 --> 00:29:07,113 www.subtitulamos.tv 271 00:29:09,981 --> 00:29:11,691 Welcome back from The Void. 272 00:29:11,716 --> 00:29:12,992 Thanks for watching. 273 00:29:13,017 --> 00:29:14,160 I'm David Cummings, 274 00:29:14,185 --> 00:29:16,821 the host and creator of The NoSleep Podcast. 275 00:29:17,222 --> 00:29:19,999 Today, we're joined by author Grayson Grume, 276 00:29:20,024 --> 00:29:22,727 writer of the NoSleep story, Pro-Life, 277 00:29:22,994 --> 00:29:26,431 which we adapted into the episode titled "Carry." 278 00:29:27,031 --> 00:29:29,567 Welcome, Grayson. Thanks for joining us today. 279 00:29:29,801 --> 00:29:31,077 Hello, David! 280 00:29:31,102 --> 00:29:34,314 What is it about the NoSleep community 281 00:29:34,339 --> 00:29:37,350 that appealed to you in terms of the interaction 282 00:29:37,375 --> 00:29:38,852 that you have there? 283 00:29:38,877 --> 00:29:40,720 We all know the internet can be... 284 00:29:40,745 --> 00:29:43,723 There's a lot of people with negative criticism 285 00:29:43,748 --> 00:29:45,859 and NoSleep seems to be a place 286 00:29:45,884 --> 00:29:48,428 where there's some positivity to encourage writing. 287 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:49,729 Is that something that you found 288 00:29:49,754 --> 00:29:51,189 when you were submitting stories? 289 00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:53,733 Absolutely. 290 00:29:53,758 --> 00:29:57,237 The audience buy-in is, in my opinion, 291 00:29:57,262 --> 00:30:00,532 what makes NoSleep truly special. 292 00:30:00,932 --> 00:30:02,567 It's, it's, 293 00:30:02,867 --> 00:30:05,378 treating each story as if it were true, 294 00:30:05,403 --> 00:30:08,439 as this sort of beautiful, new dimension. 295 00:30:08,673 --> 00:30:10,183 You know it is fiction, 296 00:30:10,208 --> 00:30:15,513 but treating it as if it wasn't is this exercise in immersion. 297 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:20,593 And it adds this emergent element 298 00:30:20,618 --> 00:30:23,997 to the stories where the comments of the audience 299 00:30:24,022 --> 00:30:27,967 are then layered and added in to the original work. 300 00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:30,870 It's a very unique medium 301 00:30:30,895 --> 00:30:32,405 for sharing these types of stories. 302 00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:36,342 Now, your story that we have adapted 303 00:30:36,367 --> 00:30:37,811 is called Pro-Life. 304 00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:42,048 It's a fascinating story, a very creepy story, 305 00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:45,952 and I'm very interested to know what inspired that. 306 00:30:45,977 --> 00:30:47,679 How did that form in your mind? 307 00:30:48,580 --> 00:30:52,392 This will leave you scratching your head, David, 308 00:30:52,417 --> 00:30:55,520 but Pro-Life is not about pregnancy. 309 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:58,932 Pregnancy is the metaphor, 310 00:30:58,957 --> 00:31:02,268 this foundational and transitional, 311 00:31:02,293 --> 00:31:05,505 irrevocable decision that the narrator allowed 312 00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:07,131 to be made for her. 313 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:08,808 When I wrote the story, 314 00:31:08,833 --> 00:31:11,411 I was in the midst of this painful, 315 00:31:11,436 --> 00:31:15,039 drawn-out breakup of my first serious relationship, 316 00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:18,117 just this never-ending, slow-motion shot 317 00:31:18,142 --> 00:31:20,987 of everything falling apart around us and neither of us 318 00:31:21,012 --> 00:31:22,914 wanting to put it out of its misery. 319 00:31:23,348 --> 00:31:26,192 I realized I had compromised myself, 320 00:31:26,217 --> 00:31:30,096 who I was as a person, because I loved them, 321 00:31:30,121 --> 00:31:33,466 but in giving up these fundamental parts of myself, 322 00:31:33,491 --> 00:31:36,828 I was breeding this frightening resentment. 323 00:31:37,228 --> 00:31:40,173 I had made all these life-changing decisions 324 00:31:40,198 --> 00:31:42,967 about moving and quitting jobs, and so forth, 325 00:31:43,167 --> 00:31:44,477 and it made it unhappy, 326 00:31:44,502 --> 00:31:46,838 and my unhappiness made them unhappy. 327 00:31:47,305 --> 00:31:51,517 Pregnancy was a much more succinct example 328 00:31:51,542 --> 00:31:53,177 of the same concept. 329 00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,589 Now, you wrote and posted this story 330 00:31:56,614 --> 00:31:58,016 about ten years ago, 331 00:31:58,516 --> 00:32:01,127 and, at the time, 332 00:32:01,152 --> 00:32:03,997 again, taking it on a literal level, 333 00:32:04,022 --> 00:32:07,066 you're talking about the idea 334 00:32:07,091 --> 00:32:10,194 of a woman's body autonomy, 335 00:32:10,461 --> 00:32:13,197 the control a woman has over her own body. 336 00:32:13,531 --> 00:32:18,244 When you were writing it, did you think in those terms, 337 00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:21,873 knowing that there was a... almost a political bent to it? 338 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:25,451 In truth, when I wrote this a decade ago, 339 00:32:25,476 --> 00:32:29,013 I wasn't thinking about socio-political themes at all. 340 00:32:29,347 --> 00:32:31,591 I very naively expected to say, 341 00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:34,861 "This is just a metaphor for my decaying relationship," 342 00:32:34,886 --> 00:32:37,555 and everyone would nod and get it. 343 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:41,025 I realized my mistake almost instantly. 344 00:32:41,259 --> 00:32:46,172 The story gained some traction and was exposed to an audience 345 00:32:46,197 --> 00:32:48,900 who didn't understand the NoSleep context. 346 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,614 My inbox was flooded with women sharing their experiences 347 00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:56,849 with miscarriage, with abortion, 348 00:32:56,874 --> 00:32:59,377 with their regrets in both directions, 349 00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:02,814 thanking me for bravely sharing my story. 350 00:33:03,181 --> 00:33:05,591 I realized, I had trespassed 351 00:33:05,616 --> 00:33:08,753 and strongly debated deleting the story. 352 00:33:09,187 --> 00:33:13,032 But, I'm a gay man with a religious upbringing. 353 00:33:13,057 --> 00:33:14,600 Believe me when I say, 354 00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:17,470 I sympathize with compromising yourself 355 00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:21,232 to satisfy the moral norms of your peers and family. 356 00:33:21,666 --> 00:33:26,212 This story was affirmation and validation to women 357 00:33:26,237 --> 00:33:29,540 dealing with these tremendously complex feelings, 358 00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:32,510 so I left it up, and here we are today. 359 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:36,723 By way of apology, it is my sincere hope 360 00:33:36,748 --> 00:33:38,124 that Pro-Life continues 361 00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:41,052 to spark these internal dialogues. 362 00:33:42,086 --> 00:33:45,064 Grayson, you mentioned, as you wrote this story, 363 00:33:45,089 --> 00:33:47,600 there was a really deep personal aspect 364 00:33:47,625 --> 00:33:49,027 of your own life in there, 365 00:33:49,293 --> 00:33:53,039 that you felt that you were being forced to be something 366 00:33:53,064 --> 00:33:54,999 that wasn't true to who you were. 367 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,712 And as we adapted your story, that sort of spirit 368 00:33:59,737 --> 00:34:03,207 was very much a part of Katie, the main character. 369 00:34:03,474 --> 00:34:08,921 And so, I'm curious, what is it about that sense, 370 00:34:08,946 --> 00:34:12,116 that approach, that... 371 00:34:13,051 --> 00:34:15,420 that you think will resonate with the audience? 372 00:34:15,953 --> 00:34:18,489 Assuming that they're... if they could... 373 00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:23,036 turn away and not focus so much on the hot-button issue 374 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:24,437 of things like abortion, 375 00:34:24,462 --> 00:34:27,473 but seeing it as more of a personal choice, 376 00:34:27,498 --> 00:34:31,803 a person's lifestyle, and how they live, 377 00:34:32,003 --> 00:34:33,880 how do you think that's gonna impact 378 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:35,139 the audience? 379 00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:42,055 I hope that the shocking 380 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,618 and upsetting portions of the story... I... 381 00:34:49,187 --> 00:34:54,267 don't take away from that underlying introspection 382 00:34:54,292 --> 00:34:59,005 of what it means to pledge yourself to someone, 383 00:34:59,030 --> 00:35:00,832 to be in love, 384 00:35:01,132 --> 00:35:04,811 the transactional nature of relationships, 385 00:35:04,836 --> 00:35:07,205 that by being with someone, 386 00:35:07,472 --> 00:35:09,348 there are doors that are closing, 387 00:35:09,373 --> 00:35:11,784 even if both of you have each other's 388 00:35:11,809 --> 00:35:13,311 best interest in mind. 389 00:35:13,578 --> 00:35:16,055 There's a very real sense of sacrifice there 390 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,092 that the main character struggles with, 391 00:35:19,117 --> 00:35:21,219 for right or for wrong. 392 00:35:22,553 --> 00:35:26,933 And I hope that the audience is able to see that, 393 00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:30,803 that this isn't a story about abortion, 394 00:35:30,828 --> 00:35:36,209 this isn't a story about waggling your finger 395 00:35:36,234 --> 00:35:38,511 at the choices people make, 396 00:35:38,536 --> 00:35:41,814 but about determining where the edges 397 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:46,444 of what you are willing to give to others are, 398 00:35:46,711 --> 00:35:49,288 and how to navigate those boundaries 399 00:35:49,313 --> 00:35:51,082 without losing who you are. 400 00:35:51,649 --> 00:35:54,026 Grayson, thank you for joining us today, 401 00:35:54,051 --> 00:35:55,528 for sharing your experience 402 00:35:55,553 --> 00:35:57,463 and your thoughtful writing with us, 403 00:35:57,488 --> 00:36:00,424 and all the best with all your future endeavors. 404 00:36:02,026 --> 00:36:04,362 Thank you, David. It's been a pleasure. 405 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:07,431 Thanks for watching Tales from the Void. 406 00:36:07,732 --> 00:36:10,601 We look forward to you joining us next time.