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Previously on
"The Girl From Plainville"...

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What do you think dying is like?

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Just like floating on water.

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Your client sent those
text messages, Mr. Cataldo.

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It's all right there in the indictment.

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A grand jury has indicted Michelle

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for involuntary manslaughter.

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Can you read that for me
out loud, please?

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"Why don't you just drink bleach?"

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Natalie Gibson and Cassie Wilkins

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on the witness list, all relevant?

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Yes, Your Honor.

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The lawyer said we can't talk to you.

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We'd like you to testify at trial.

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What about Co? He'll testify too?

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Defense would bring up the incident...

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The assault on your son.

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I just have all these issues

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with my body image.

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I'm thinking I need
to go somewhere to get help.

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It's consuming my life.

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Lynn, do you believe Michelle Carter

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murdered your son?

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- Lynn!
- Lynn!

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What are your hopes for the trial?

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Can you tell us anything?

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Jesus.

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- You okay?
- Yeah.

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"Hopes for the trial."

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Who asks something like that?

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Hey, honey. You okay?

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All rise.

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Please sit.

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Um, before we begin,
is there any business

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either counsel would like to
handle before jury selection?

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- No, Your Honor.
- Yes, Your Honor.

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Your Honor, uh, we would like to request

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a motion for a bench trial.

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You're sure, Counselor?

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Yes, Your Honor.

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Miss Carter,
could you approach the stand?

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I'd like to hear this for myself.

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Go ahead and raise your right hand.

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Do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth,

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and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?

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I do.

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You can lower your hand.

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Take a seat.

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Could you state your full name and age?

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Michelle Diana Carter, 20.

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So you understand, Miss Carter,

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that you're fully entitled
under the Constitution

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to a jury of your own peers
to decide whether or not,

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in fact, you're guilty of this crime?

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Yes.

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Has anyone promised you anything

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or threatened you in any way

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to make you forgo your right
to a jury trial?

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No, Your Honor. No.

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Thank you. You may step down.

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The judge is now going
to exclusively decide the case.

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What about the jury?

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She just decided there isn't one.

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The prospective jurors are dismissed.

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The court thanks you for your time.

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Unless there's any other
outstanding business

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to take care of?

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Okay.

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How much does this affect
your opening statement?

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Well, it starts with ladies
and gentlemen of the jury, so...

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Did I do okay?

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Yeah. Yeah, you did just fine, Michelle.

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We will reconvene
here tomorrow at 9:00 a. m.

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- Synced and corrected by synk -
- www.addic7ed.com -

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This is Conrad Henry Roy III.

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Conra...

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This is Conrad Henry Roy III...

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Reporting to you live

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right here from Mattapoisett, Mass.

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I'm 5'10", 165 pounds,

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and I struggle with anxiety
almost all the time.

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- _
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You're set.

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Breakfast is served at 8:00 a. m. sharp.

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After that, you see your therapist,

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then you spend time outside...
Monitored, of course.

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Lunch is at 1:00. Dinner at 6:00.

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Lights out at 9:00.
Doors stay open always.

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You do your own laundry
and clean your own room.

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Your mother does not live here.

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Your phone.

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Really?

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Yes, ma'am. Protocol.

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We give it to your parents
on visiting day.

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You get it back from them
when you go home.

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You've been restricting
and binging since 2011?

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No laxatives, no purging, no diet pills.

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Excessive exercise?

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Still taking the Celexa daily?

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No.

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What are you taking now?

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Nothing.

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As each of you draw
how you see yourself,

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tell me how it makes you feel.

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" He got scared,

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and I fucking told him to get back in."

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The defendant's own words, Your Honor...

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17-year-old Michelle Carter,
who, for weeks,

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badgered and berated
her depressed boyfriend,

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Conrad Roy, 18 years old,

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into killing himself.

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Your Honor, this is not a homicide case.

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This is a suicide case on Mr. Roy's

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ultimately successful
second suicide attempt.

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When Conrad tried
to take his life the first time,

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he called a friend
and lived to see another day.

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When he tried to kill himself
the second time,

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he called the defendant,

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who ordered him back in the truck

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and listened as he took
his last breath and died.

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Conrad Roy's
internet searches will prove

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that he was suicidal,

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that he wanted to take his own life,

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and that it was his choice.

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She put him in that car that night.

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She was 30 miles away.

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Her behavior was wanton and reckless,

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and as a result, Conrad Roy is dead.

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Now if somebody wants to support

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an individual in a suicide,

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in the state of Massachusetts,
that's not a crime.

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Your Honor, by the end of this trial...

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We ask...

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That you find Michelle Carter

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guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

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Not guilty of involuntary manslaughter.

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- Thank you.
- Thank you.

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The Commonwealth
may call their first witness.

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Stop.

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It's nice. We should do the photo.

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On the count of three, say Brady.

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- Smile.
- One, two, three.

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- Brady!
- Tommy boy!

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Ha ha ha. Let's get outta here.

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Here, you can hold onto that?

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'Cause you'll never get one.

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Uh... upp, upp, upp.

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So?

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I was actually... I was gonna hold off.

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There's no time like the present.

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Come on, it's your family.

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Everybody, Coco has an announcement

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that he'd like to make.

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Yeah, um...

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I got my captain's license from NMI.

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Oh, jeez!

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Are you shitting me?

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Captain!

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- Did you know about this?
- Ha ha ha!

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Of course not.

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? We love you, Conrad, oh, yes, we do ?

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? We love you, Conrad,
and we'll be true ?

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? When you're not with us, we're blue ?

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? Conrad, we love you, hey, hey! ?

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Where'd he go?

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_

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Why didn't you tell me?

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I'm didn't want to make a big
deal of it in case I failed.

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When'd you find out?

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Couple weeks ago.

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Hey, I'm proud of you.

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I ain't been this proud since we built

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this fucking thing, huh?

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I guess I can retire now, huh?

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Leave the business in good hands?

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Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

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What?

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You don't know what?

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I'm not sure I wanna live
in Mattapoisett my whole life.

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What does that mean?

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I don't know. It's just...

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it's just an idea.

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Where you gonna go, Coco?

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- What're you gonna do?
- I-I don't know, okay?

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I'm just... I'm figuring it out, okay?

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Okay.

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All right, come on,
let's get back inside.

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All these people are here for you.

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Come on, it's embarrassing,
you sitting out here.

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Come on.

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Good morning.

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How you doin'?

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Morning.

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Please wait.

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Let's go.

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Can you please lift your arms?

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Do you see Michelle
Carter present in the courtroom today?

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- Yes.
- Could you point to her,

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identify something that she's wearing?

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I don't know, it looks like
a red shirt or something.

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Your Honor, may the record reflect

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identification of the defendant.

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On October 27, 2012,

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Conrad tried to kill himself

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by overdosing on a bottle of medication.

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He was found in time and treated.

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What was his demeanor like when
he was at Boston Children's?

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He was scared.

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He said he would never
do anything like that again.

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He knew he had a lot
of family and support,

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friends, people who loved him.

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He was playing sports, going to school.

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He even got accepted to Fitchburg State

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on scholarship, right?

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Yes, initially, he was very excited.

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He went to visit his friend
Rob there to check it out.

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And that would be June of 2014?

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Yes, and he had just
gotten his captain's license.

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I'm going to direct your
attention to July 12 of 2014.

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That was the last day
you saw your son alive.

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How was he that day?

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We went to the beach.

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We stopped at Stop and Shop, and...

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he was eating tortilla chips
and guacamole.

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My son had never had guacamole before.

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He really liked it.

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And during that time,

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were you constantly
in Conrad's presence?

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Yes.

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What did you talk about?

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Life,

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what was gonna happen next.

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We made some jokes
about some people on the beach

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wearing little swimsuits.

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He was fine.

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Yes, he had tried
to kill himself before,

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but I know my son,

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and he didn't want to die.

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Not that day.

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Today's your last day with us, Michelle.

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We're all sad that
you're leaving so soon,

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but before you go, can you tell us about

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the images on your vision board?

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Every image helps me
to look to the future

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and not to get stuck in the past.

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I really wanna go to California.

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Life seems different there.

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That's great, Michelle,

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but make sure you're focusing
on what you can control.

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I can't control everything, everyone,

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but... I'll be prepared.

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I know my triggers
and I'm gonna do better

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at continuing to identify them.

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I try to fix people
too much sometimes...

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Everyone, really.

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I have to remember to focus
on myself for a change.

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I found a stray.

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Welcome home, sweetie.

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It's... it's only been a couple weeks.

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We didn't know what you'd want,

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so we made a bunch of different things,

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but, you know, we can always go out too.

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Well, the doctor said
maybe it would be best

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to eat at home first,

268
00:17:29,131 --> 00:17:31,275
but we could go out if you want.

269
00:17:31,300 --> 00:17:35,321
I'm okay, guys.
This looks really good, thanks.

270
00:17:35,346 --> 00:17:37,515
Great. Okay.

271
00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:42,912
So what was it like there?

272
00:17:42,937 --> 00:17:46,415
It wasn't that bad actually.
It was kinda like a vacation.

273
00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,543
Did they throw you in a padded room?

274
00:17:48,568 --> 00:17:49,961
Hayden.

275
00:17:49,986 --> 00:17:51,837
That's what they did to Angelina Jolie.

276
00:17:51,862 --> 00:17:55,007
Okay, we need to get you out more.

277
00:17:55,032 --> 00:17:57,176
It's okay.

278
00:17:57,201 --> 00:18:00,246
My therapist says talking is healing.

279
00:18:05,710 --> 00:18:08,187
I like that movie.

280
00:18:08,212 --> 00:18:10,439
Me too.

281
00:18:10,464 --> 00:18:13,092
Oh, now that you're home...

282
00:18:15,469 --> 00:18:17,096
You probably want this back.

283
00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,146
So what else?

284
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:50,437
_

285
00:18:50,463 --> 00:18:53,119
_

286
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:19,634
I just got all your texts.

287
00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:21,552
You okay?

288
00:19:21,577 --> 00:19:23,621
It's fine. You just disappeared again.

289
00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:26,932
I'm getting used to it.

290
00:19:26,957 --> 00:19:30,086
I got my phone taken away.
I was in the hospital.

291
00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:32,855
For what? You're not dying.

292
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,924
Can you be nice for one second?

293
00:19:36,342 --> 00:19:38,903
I actually feel better.

294
00:19:38,928 --> 00:19:41,864
As my boyfriend, you should be happy.

295
00:19:41,889 --> 00:19:44,225
Sure, I'm happy.

296
00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:49,522
I got my captain's license,
not that you care.

297
00:20:02,326 --> 00:20:04,120
I'm sorry.

298
00:20:06,288 --> 00:20:07,998
I hate myself.

299
00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:10,501
Don't say that.

300
00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:14,839
It's okay. I love you.

301
00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:27,197
I hate when you do that.

302
00:20:27,869 --> 00:20:30,372
You just type and then erase things.

303
00:20:33,149 --> 00:20:35,317
Just talk to me.

304
00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:42,032
Or don't. Whatever.

305
00:20:51,876 --> 00:20:53,519
I wish I could just see myself

306
00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:55,963
as the person I wanna be, you know?

307
00:20:57,298 --> 00:21:00,593
Not as this person
that's just always miserable.

308
00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:04,822
I know that I'm wanted.

309
00:21:04,847 --> 00:21:07,308
I know that I'm...

310
00:21:09,435 --> 00:21:10,770
Loved.

311
00:21:13,731 --> 00:21:15,624
I hate that I'm shy.

312
00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:18,569
I h... I hate that I'm dumb.

313
00:21:20,529 --> 00:21:24,216
And I hate that I'm always worrying

314
00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:26,010
and regretting about the past

315
00:21:26,035 --> 00:21:29,455
and I'm... I'm pessimistic
about the future.

316
00:21:31,415 --> 00:21:33,667
You don't have to feel that way.

317
00:21:35,711 --> 00:21:38,731
The hospital worked for me.
You could talk to someone.

318
00:21:38,756 --> 00:21:40,883
Yeah, what's the point?

319
00:21:42,176 --> 00:21:44,236
I just feel like
I'm never going to be happy

320
00:21:44,261 --> 00:21:46,639
because I feel like I'm a failure.

321
00:21:47,848 --> 00:21:50,075
And that...

322
00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:51,702
that's just a minute's worth of ideas

323
00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:53,454
that pop through my head
on a regular basis.

324
00:21:53,479 --> 00:21:56,607
There's way, way more.

325
00:22:06,242 --> 00:22:07,785
Are you still there?

326
00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:11,639
Yeah.

327
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:14,934
- It's just a lot to take in.
- I'm sorry.

328
00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:16,769
It's too much. I shouldn't...

329
00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:19,964
No, I'm happy you did.

330
00:22:40,651 --> 00:22:42,319
See ya, Kenny.

331
00:22:46,657 --> 00:22:47,908
Here you go.

332
00:22:54,639 --> 00:22:57,351
Where you going? It's 10:00 a. m.

333
00:22:57,376 --> 00:22:59,353
- Got plans.
- No, you don't.

334
00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:01,772
You did a shit job
cleaning those fuel oil tanks.

335
00:23:01,797 --> 00:23:03,148
I need you to do it again.

336
00:23:03,173 --> 00:23:05,651
Texted Bobby. He said he'd cover me.

337
00:23:05,676 --> 00:23:07,236
He'll finish it up.

338
00:23:07,261 --> 00:23:08,779
You texted Bobby,
so where the hell's Bobby?

339
00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:11,907
I don't know. Said he'd be here.

340
00:23:11,932 --> 00:23:15,077
What, so that's it? You're done here?

341
00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:17,229
- Sorry.
- Coco!

342
00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:21,191
Hey!

343
00:23:22,902 --> 00:23:24,169
Fuck.

344
00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:26,088
And what did you do next, sir?

345
00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:28,090
I contacted
the District Attorney's office.

346
00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:31,594
Things were put in motion
to have the phone extracted.

347
00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:34,972
Then I interviewed Miss Carter
at King Philip's High School.

348
00:23:34,997 --> 00:23:37,016
And then you got her phone
with the password,

349
00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:38,726
you spoke to her parents,

350
00:23:38,751 --> 00:23:40,436
and then you got her laptop, correct?

351
00:23:40,461 --> 00:23:42,021
Yes.

352
00:23:42,046 --> 00:23:43,397
Why?

353
00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:45,482
The messages from
Michelle Carter to the victim

354
00:23:45,507 --> 00:23:47,384
encouraged him to commit suicide.

355
00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:49,612
Once?

356
00:23:49,637 --> 00:23:52,473
No, dozens of times.

357
00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:57,227
Thank you. No further questions.

358
00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:06,795
Mr. Gordon,

359
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:08,714
did you find anything of any substance

360
00:24:08,739 --> 00:24:10,866
on Conrad's laptop?

361
00:24:12,493 --> 00:24:15,471
Yes, we found videos.

362
00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:17,686
Can you explain what
those videos were about?

363
00:24:17,711 --> 00:24:20,918
They were of Conrad, three of 'em.

364
00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:26,106
He was alone making some sort
of video diary on his issues...

365
00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:27,983
Social anxiety,

366
00:24:28,008 --> 00:24:31,070
lack of friends, his depression.

367
00:24:31,095 --> 00:24:34,323
He believed he wasn't
really normal, I guess,

368
00:24:34,348 --> 00:24:37,993
or like everybody else.

369
00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:41,146
Thank you. Your Honor,
no further questions.

370
00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:44,375
You were the officer that took

371
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,418
the missing person's report, correct?

372
00:24:46,443 --> 00:24:47,628
I was.

373
00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:49,463
Your Honor, I would like to display

374
00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:53,325
on the court monitor
exhibit six, number five.

375
00:24:59,123 --> 00:25:02,059
Conrad's black F-250 truck.

376
00:25:02,084 --> 00:25:04,687
When you approached it,
what did you see?

377
00:25:04,712 --> 00:25:07,189
Well, the deceased
was wearing sunglasses.

378
00:25:07,214 --> 00:25:09,650
There's a general redness to his skin,

379
00:25:09,675 --> 00:25:12,611
typical of carbon monoxide poisoning.

380
00:25:12,636 --> 00:25:16,240
There was blood
from a supposed nosebleed.

381
00:25:16,265 --> 00:25:18,909
When do you estimate
the time of death for Conrad?

382
00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:20,411
The physical evidence indicated

383
00:25:20,436 --> 00:25:21,954
that at the end of the second call

384
00:25:21,979 --> 00:25:24,690
with Michelle Carter,
Roy was still alive.

385
00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:45,352
Hey, I'm gonna head to bed.

386
00:25:45,377 --> 00:25:47,421
Hey, are you okay?

387
00:25:50,758 --> 00:25:52,317
Okay, good night.

388
00:25:52,342 --> 00:25:53,802
Night.

389
00:25:57,931 --> 00:26:01,035
I wish she wouldn't go to the trial.

390
00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:03,604
- It's not good for her.
- Well, she's stubborn.

391
00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:07,499
Wonder where she gets that.

392
00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,501
Co send you?

393
00:26:09,526 --> 00:26:11,695
Everyone's worried about you.

394
00:26:20,204 --> 00:26:22,581
She looks skinnier than I remember.

395
00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:26,168
I can't stop thinking about her.

396
00:26:27,086 --> 00:26:29,480
I don't wanna be thinking about her.

397
00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:32,941
You seen those videos
they're talking about?

398
00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:34,818
The ones Coco did?

399
00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:37,429
I can never bring myself
to watch, you know?

400
00:26:39,306 --> 00:26:41,058
You did good today.

401
00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,603
I don't know what the hell
that even means.

402
00:26:49,691 --> 00:26:52,211
"48 Hours" wants to talk to me.

403
00:26:52,236 --> 00:26:53,712
You gonna do it?

404
00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:57,424
He's not just a dead kid
on the news, you know?

405
00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,326
He's Coco.

406
00:27:02,204 --> 00:27:05,182
I want people to know...

407
00:27:05,207 --> 00:27:08,502
to know him how we knew him
and who he was.

408
00:27:12,506 --> 00:27:15,818
Well, that's the thing, isn't it?

409
00:27:15,843 --> 00:27:17,986
You don't know.

410
00:27:18,011 --> 00:27:19,488
I mean

411
00:27:19,513 --> 00:27:22,908
because sometimes people seem
like they're getting better,

412
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:25,911
and they tell everyone around
them they're getting better.

413
00:27:25,936 --> 00:27:28,580
They seem happy.

414
00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:30,983
They seem good at home.

415
00:27:33,694 --> 00:27:36,280
They get their captain's license.

416
00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:39,658
But you just can't know.

417
00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:47,958
Yeah.

418
00:27:53,547 --> 00:27:55,482
Ha ha ha.

419
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:57,359
Did you see that shit?

420
00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:59,027
Did you see that headshot?

421
00:27:59,052 --> 00:28:00,404
Jesus Christ.

422
00:28:00,429 --> 00:28:02,656
Yeah, man, I just sniped him!

423
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:04,283
Yeah, dude, I just

424
00:28:04,308 --> 00:28:06,326
sniped him from like 100 yards.

425
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:07,619
Hey, hey!

426
00:28:07,644 --> 00:28:09,121
I'm gonna try no-scope this time.

427
00:28:09,146 --> 00:28:11,081
Fuck it.

428
00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:13,083
360.

429
00:28:13,108 --> 00:28:14,877
What the fuck, man?

430
00:28:14,902 --> 00:28:17,045
This is why you come home
from work early, huh?

431
00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:18,755
Play fucking video games?

432
00:28:18,780 --> 00:28:19,923
- Yeah.
- You gotta be kidding me.

433
00:28:19,948 --> 00:28:21,341
Come on. Clean this shit up now!

434
00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:22,968
Get the... back off!

435
00:28:22,993 --> 00:28:24,303
Ugh...

436
00:28:24,328 --> 00:28:25,412
Wait... wait...

437
00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:22,719
Go get your stuff. I'll see you at home.

438
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,348
It wasn't his fault.

439
00:29:34,022 --> 00:29:35,749
- God damn it.
- Lynn...

440
00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,961
- I don't know what happened.
- God damn it.

441
00:29:38,986 --> 00:29:40,904
God damn it, Co!

442
00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:49,371
I know. I know.

443
00:30:05,070 --> 00:30:07,239
- Any comment?
- Lynn!

444
00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:11,727
We can go.

445
00:30:15,379 --> 00:30:18,375
Would it be fair to say
that you and Michelle Carter

446
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,252
texted hundreds of times

447
00:30:20,277 --> 00:30:22,045
on a sort of day-to-day basis?

448
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:23,922
That sounds right, yeah.

449
00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:26,967
April 23, 2014,

450
00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:28,552
10:05 a. m.

451
00:30:28,577 --> 00:30:31,872
Can you read the highlighted
section, please?

452
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:35,726
"Yeah, I have school friends

453
00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:37,644
"that all say they love me,
but that doesn't mean shit

454
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:40,063
"when no one ever asks
to hang out with me.

455
00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:41,773
"No one ever calls me or texts me.

456
00:30:41,798 --> 00:30:43,817
"It's always me that has to do it.

457
00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:45,193
"I don't even remember the last time

458
00:30:45,218 --> 00:30:48,321
someone asked me to hang out
with me before you did."

459
00:30:48,346 --> 00:30:49,740
Can you please describe

460
00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:51,283
your relationship with Michelle Carter?

461
00:30:51,308 --> 00:30:53,702
It was mostly an in-school friendship,

462
00:30:53,727 --> 00:30:56,371
just, like, talking in school and stuff.

463
00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:59,916
I didn't socialize with her or anything.

464
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:01,793
How often would Miss Carter ask

465
00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:04,488
to socialize with you
and Natalie outside of school?

466
00:31:05,411 --> 00:31:07,663
Probably a few times a week.

467
00:31:07,688 --> 00:31:09,801
During those years, do you remember

468
00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:13,221
wanting to hang out with
Michelle outside of school?

469
00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:15,098
Um, no.

470
00:31:15,123 --> 00:31:16,892
" But I don't know what I was thinking.

471
00:31:16,917 --> 00:31:19,519
"I knew I was just gonna make
it all come crashing down.

472
00:31:19,544 --> 00:31:20,937
"I always do.

473
00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:23,899
"I text them too much
or try talking to them too much

474
00:31:23,924 --> 00:31:26,777
"and they leave... Every single one.

475
00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:28,487
"Then I am left crying in bed at night

476
00:31:28,512 --> 00:31:30,822
"because I have no one, no friends,

477
00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:32,240
"barely any family.

478
00:31:32,265 --> 00:31:34,326
"Like, they don't even
like me half the time

479
00:31:34,351 --> 00:31:36,661
"and I have no plans, no future.

480
00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:39,147
I am nothing."

481
00:31:42,067 --> 00:31:45,879
July 10, 2014, 5:23 p. m.

482
00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,340
Can you read that message
from Michelle for us?

483
00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:50,008
"Thank you so much for coming over

484
00:31:50,033 --> 00:31:51,885
"and hanging out with me, Cassie.

485
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:53,720
"It really made me feel happy.

486
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:55,472
"You and Natalie are the only people

487
00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:57,015
"who actually make me forget

488
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,142
"I have issues and stuff for a while.

489
00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:01,478
"And, like,
you guys make me feel normal.

490
00:32:01,503 --> 00:32:03,438
"I can't thank you enough for that.

491
00:32:03,463 --> 00:32:06,066
"I hope you want to hang
again sometime soon.

492
00:32:06,091 --> 00:32:08,485
I had a good time and hope you did too."

493
00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:10,278
And did you respond to that?

494
00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:13,365
I don't believe I did, no.

495
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:15,117
"And I'll be honest...
I cried when you said

496
00:32:15,142 --> 00:32:17,536
"you wanted to help me
and hang out and stuff.

497
00:32:17,561 --> 00:32:21,690
It just meant so much to me,
like I finally found a friend."

498
00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:27,003
Do you remember anything
about that particular sleepover

499
00:32:27,028 --> 00:32:30,715
on July 9th that might
stick out in your mind?

500
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:32,509
No.

501
00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:35,345
How did she seem, if you can remember?

502
00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:36,930
Fine.

503
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:38,723
Totally fine.

504
00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:40,517
Do you remember the defendant

505
00:32:40,542 --> 00:32:42,936
using her cell phone
the night you slept over?

506
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:44,855
I don't remember.

507
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,232
And when you didn't respond,

508
00:32:47,257 --> 00:32:49,682
you received another
text message from Michelle.

509
00:32:49,707 --> 00:32:52,362
Do you mind reading that for me, please?

510
00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:55,198
"Conrad's missing.
They can't find him anywhere.

511
00:32:55,223 --> 00:32:56,950
"He's been missing since Wednesday night

512
00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:58,702
"when you guys slept over.

513
00:32:58,727 --> 00:33:02,080
He hasn't called or talked
to me or anyone since."

514
00:33:02,105 --> 00:33:04,816
"He's missing, like,
they don't know where he is."

515
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,714
July 12th, 9:24 p. m.

516
00:33:10,739 --> 00:33:14,843
Can you read that message
from Michelle Carter?

517
00:33:14,868 --> 00:33:17,304
"He called me and I heard
like muffled sounds

518
00:33:17,329 --> 00:33:19,181
"and some type of motor running

519
00:33:19,206 --> 00:33:21,099
"and it was like that for 20 minutes,

520
00:33:21,124 --> 00:33:22,834
and he wouldn't answer."

521
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:25,879
"I think he killed himself."

522
00:33:28,215 --> 00:33:29,832
Can you now read this text

523
00:33:29,857 --> 00:33:33,445
from September 16, 2014,

524
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:36,181
two months after Conrad's death?

525
00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:42,437
"I fucking told him to get back in."

526
00:33:46,191 --> 00:33:48,944
The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

527
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:13,886
_

528
00:34:13,912 --> 00:34:15,489
_

529
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:25,565
_

530
00:34:31,695 --> 00:34:35,173
- Thanks for meeting me.
- 'Course.

531
00:34:35,198 --> 00:34:37,342
He's just such a dick sometimes.

532
00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:38,994
I try to talk to him, and it's, like...

533
00:34:40,287 --> 00:34:42,706
It's like we speak different languages.

534
00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:48,019
Maybe you should start living your life

535
00:34:48,044 --> 00:34:50,714
for you, not for them.

536
00:34:52,299 --> 00:34:54,651
What do you mean?

537
00:34:54,676 --> 00:34:55,860
I don't know.

538
00:34:55,885 --> 00:34:58,888
Your Mom and Dad, they're simple.

539
00:35:00,015 --> 00:35:02,826
I'm surprised you haven't left already.

540
00:35:02,851 --> 00:35:04,644
You're above them.

541
00:35:06,605 --> 00:35:08,106
Don't do that.

542
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:11,626
- Do what?
- Don't talk shit

543
00:35:11,651 --> 00:35:13,003
about my family like that.

544
00:35:13,028 --> 00:35:14,904
You don't know them.

545
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:18,950
No, I wasn't. I was agreeing with you.

546
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,720
I was saying you deserve better.

547
00:35:21,745 --> 00:35:23,805
You...

548
00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:25,432
You're just like everybody else.

549
00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:28,393
You just fucking... you just talk.

550
00:35:28,418 --> 00:35:30,854
You just say shit that
you think I want to hear,

551
00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:34,149
but you don't actually listen
to anything I say.

552
00:35:34,174 --> 00:35:35,759
Yeah, I do.

553
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:38,612
I get you.

554
00:35:38,637 --> 00:35:40,697
How?

555
00:35:40,722 --> 00:35:43,767
How could you possibly get me?
You don't even know me.

556
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:48,038
Okay, I'm... sorry.

557
00:35:48,063 --> 00:35:50,373
Just forget what I said. Ah.

558
00:35:50,398 --> 00:35:52,542
Let's start over.

559
00:35:52,567 --> 00:35:54,836
Come here.

560
00:35:54,861 --> 00:35:56,071
Come here.

561
00:36:15,632 --> 00:36:19,194
I live in a different world.

562
00:36:19,219 --> 00:36:20,428
Okay?

563
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,948
Not like you, not like everybody else.

564
00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:27,077
So when you go to bed at night

565
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:29,454
and you dream about

566
00:36:29,479 --> 00:36:32,415
puppies and rainbows,

567
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,527
I dream about killing myself...

568
00:36:37,362 --> 00:36:40,382
Because that is the only way

569
00:36:40,407 --> 00:36:42,509
that my pain is gonna end, okay?

570
00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:44,494
I know that.

571
00:36:47,247 --> 00:36:49,683
So next time, I'm not gonna screw up.

572
00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,811
Next time, I'll be dead...

573
00:36:52,836 --> 00:36:56,022
and then, maybe then,

574
00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:58,274
all of you

575
00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:01,720
will just fucking listen.

576
00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:07,183
Maybe I should call your mom.

577
00:37:15,859 --> 00:37:20,255
If you ever tell anyone about me,

578
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,145
I will never, ever
fucking talk to you again!

579
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,746
You got it?

580
00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:32,684
Let's go, come on. I'm taking you home.

581
00:37:32,709 --> 00:37:33,918
God.

582
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,341
Hazel Grace, I hope you realize

583
00:38:46,366 --> 00:38:48,635
that you trying
to keep your distance from me

584
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:51,805
in no way lessens my affection for you.

585
00:38:51,830 --> 00:38:54,499
All your efforts to keep me
from you are gonna fail.

586
00:38:58,058 --> 00:39:02,489
_

587
00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,499
Yo, you got me. Leave a message.

588
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:23,628
Hey, your text freaked me out.

589
00:39:23,653 --> 00:39:25,630
I hope you're okay.

590
00:39:25,655 --> 00:39:27,448
Call me back.

591
00:39:32,745 --> 00:39:34,931
Yo, you got me. Leave a message.

592
00:39:34,956 --> 00:39:37,141
Hey, it's me again.

593
00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:39,210
Just text me back.

594
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:10,909
Yo, you got me. Leave a message.

595
00:40:19,028 --> 00:40:21,731
_

596
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:01,851
This is Conrad Henry Roy III

597
00:41:01,876 --> 00:41:05,129
reporting about social anxiety.

598
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:08,608
Social anxiety, to me,

599
00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:11,694
is the inability to function properly

600
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,074
in a manner you want to
in a social situation.

601
00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:19,827
And one of the things
that I realized is that

602
00:41:19,852 --> 00:41:23,481
not all eyes are on you at all times.

603
00:41:25,858 --> 00:41:30,129
Just gotta get the cobwebs out.

604
00:41:30,154 --> 00:41:32,507
Turn the gears.

605
00:41:32,532 --> 00:41:36,761
The gears need to be turning.
Turn the gears.

606
00:41:36,786 --> 00:41:40,999
That's what I gotta do,
because look at me.

607
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,313
I got nice teeth.

608
00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:49,424
Got a nice smile.

609
00:41:51,426 --> 00:41:52,844
It's pretty nice.

610
00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:59,492
There's a lot of people that love me.

611
00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:02,120
I have a great mom.

612
00:42:02,145 --> 00:42:05,498
A great dad... for the most part.

613
00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:08,084
Great parents.

614
00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:11,170
I have all my grandparents,

615
00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:14,657
but I'm still depressed.

616
00:42:16,242 --> 00:42:17,927
One of them is gonna pass away.

617
00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:20,972
I don't know when, but...

618
00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:22,515
when they do, I'm gonna have to be there

619
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:25,226
for my parents,

620
00:42:25,251 --> 00:42:27,770
to be there for my mom and dad

621
00:42:27,795 --> 00:42:31,941
whenever their parents pass away...

622
00:42:31,966 --> 00:42:35,261
because I can't imagine
my parents passing away.

623
00:42:37,472 --> 00:42:40,491
How I'm gonna feel.

624
00:42:40,516 --> 00:42:44,454
The person that raised you
is not present.

625
00:42:44,479 --> 00:42:47,832
And this is what I have to realize.

626
00:42:47,857 --> 00:42:52,295
Like, I am a lot better off

627
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,490
than a lot of people.

628
00:42:58,248 --> 00:43:04,232
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