1 00:00:04,867 --> 00:00:06,212 Previously on "The Rookie"... 2 00:00:06,260 --> 00:00:07,779 That's Aaron Thorsen. 3 00:00:07,827 --> 00:00:09,476 Rich kid. TikTok famous 4 00:00:09,524 --> 00:00:12,696 before he got arrested for murdering his roommate in Paris. 5 00:00:12,744 --> 00:00:15,830 I was locked in a cell for 541 days. 6 00:00:15,878 --> 00:00:18,224 The person who murdered Patrick, he's still out there, 7 00:00:18,272 --> 00:00:20,052 and no one is looking for him 8 00:00:20,100 --> 00:00:21,488 because they still think that I did it. 9 00:00:21,536 --> 00:00:23,490 I don't want to be a part of this reality TV show. 10 00:00:23,538 --> 00:00:25,535 Sweetie, it's only gonna help you. 11 00:00:25,583 --> 00:00:28,091 I'm Morris Mackey. I'm the reality TV producer here. 12 00:00:28,140 --> 00:00:30,366 I just want to say, this has been so fascinating. 13 00:00:30,414 --> 00:00:33,065 I love true crime, and to be in a documentary, 14 00:00:33,113 --> 00:00:34,631 it's just... it's a dream come true. 15 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:35,998 Thank you. Thank you. 16 00:00:38,969 --> 00:00:40,622 Do I just...? 17 00:00:41,572 --> 00:00:42,965 You're back. 18 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:45,153 Another crazy story, how could I stay away? 19 00:00:45,201 --> 00:00:46,785 Thank you. 20 00:00:46,952 --> 00:00:48,514 - You good to go? - Um, yeah. 21 00:00:48,563 --> 00:00:50,003 Where should I, uh... Where should I start? 22 00:00:50,051 --> 00:00:52,388 Why don't you, uh, tell me about Aaron Thorsen? 23 00:00:52,436 --> 00:00:55,217 Well, Aaron came to the F.T.O. program 24 00:00:55,265 --> 00:00:56,874 with the deck stacked against him. 25 00:00:57,013 --> 00:00:58,934 He had to sue the LAPD 26 00:00:58,982 --> 00:01:00,222 even to get into the Academy. 27 00:01:00,270 --> 00:01:02,419 I mean, you have to respect just how hard he fought 28 00:01:02,493 --> 00:01:03,926 just to be here. 29 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:05,169 Uh... 30 00:01:05,217 --> 00:01:08,013 But what happened in Paris, never left him, 31 00:01:08,061 --> 00:01:10,102 no matter how hard he tried to move on. 32 00:01:10,150 --> 00:01:11,886 People would argue that doing a reality show 33 00:01:11,934 --> 00:01:13,975 is the opposite of moving on. 34 00:01:14,023 --> 00:01:15,803 Well, those people haven't experienced 35 00:01:15,851 --> 00:01:17,488 what it's like to be infamous. 36 00:01:17,591 --> 00:01:18,737 I mean, Aaron was, 37 00:01:18,785 --> 00:01:21,200 desperate to reset the way the world saw him. 38 00:01:21,248 --> 00:01:22,679 And it all blew up in his face. 39 00:01:22,727 --> 00:01:23,848 Yeah. 40 00:01:23,896 --> 00:01:25,204 Yeah, it really did. 41 00:01:35,740 --> 00:01:37,732 I can't believe this is happening to me again. 42 00:01:37,831 --> 00:01:39,191 It's nice to see you again. 43 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,393 Mm-hmm. 44 00:01:40,441 --> 00:01:42,432 And congratulations, on the baby. 45 00:01:42,481 --> 00:01:43,573 Thank you. 46 00:01:43,622 --> 00:01:44,731 Did being pregnant make 47 00:01:44,779 --> 00:01:46,420 what you went through with Aaron more stressful? 48 00:01:46,468 --> 00:01:47,869 Not here to talk about me. 49 00:01:47,918 --> 00:01:49,663 Fair enough. Uh, let's talk about 50 00:01:49,712 --> 00:01:50,901 the reality show. 51 00:01:51,018 --> 00:01:53,014 Okay. It was his mom's idea. 52 00:01:53,062 --> 00:01:55,538 It was a way to rebrand his image. 53 00:01:55,586 --> 00:01:57,300 And what did you think of the title? 54 00:01:58,328 --> 00:01:59,586 No comment. 55 00:01:59,634 --> 00:02:01,434 Seriously, though. You have to have had an opinion... 56 00:02:01,482 --> 00:02:02,850 Listen, you're not gonna get me 57 00:02:02,898 --> 00:02:05,635 to say that dumbass title, so let's just move on. 58 00:02:32,232 --> 00:02:34,403 Yeah, so back there is my parents' room 59 00:02:34,451 --> 00:02:35,645 and the family room. 60 00:02:35,703 --> 00:02:37,035 Um... Oh, 61 00:02:37,083 --> 00:02:39,485 right here, this is my favorite photo. 62 00:02:39,674 --> 00:02:41,149 I was 6. 63 00:02:41,197 --> 00:02:42,759 And you might recognize my dad. 64 00:02:42,807 --> 00:02:44,547 He was part of a '90s rap duo, 65 00:02:44,595 --> 00:02:45,719 Flex n' Flow. 66 00:02:45,767 --> 00:02:46,938 That's them right here. 67 00:02:46,986 --> 00:02:48,041 ? Party's never stoppin' ? 68 00:02:48,089 --> 00:02:49,249 ? Who the boys that make the noise? ? 69 00:02:49,298 --> 00:02:50,779 - ? Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ? - Yeah, man, 70 00:02:50,827 --> 00:02:51,918 when I was a kid, I used to love 71 00:02:51,966 --> 00:02:54,249 riding my tricycle up and down this hallway. 72 00:02:54,297 --> 00:02:56,793 Until he knocked over my Music Industry Achievement Award 73 00:02:56,842 --> 00:02:58,014 and broke it. 74 00:02:58,063 --> 00:03:00,284 Aaron tried to put it back together with Play-Doh, 75 00:03:00,333 --> 00:03:02,178 thinking we wouldn't notice. 76 00:03:02,227 --> 00:03:03,591 But that's my son, 77 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,752 always trying to get away with something. 78 00:03:07,223 --> 00:03:08,568 Not anymore. 79 00:03:08,616 --> 00:03:10,083 I mean, now he's... 80 00:03:10,131 --> 00:03:11,571 Very responsible. 81 00:03:13,229 --> 00:03:15,401 Over here, we got my childhood bedroom. 82 00:03:18,321 --> 00:03:19,798 What the hell? 83 00:03:20,723 --> 00:03:23,408 Hey, I never had this picture of Patrick. 84 00:03:23,457 --> 00:03:24,758 Did you put this here? 85 00:03:24,806 --> 00:03:26,688 We just thought it'd be a nice surprise. 86 00:03:26,786 --> 00:03:28,371 Man, Morris, what the hell did I tell you, man, 87 00:03:28,419 --> 00:03:29,589 about faking stuff like this? 88 00:03:29,637 --> 00:03:31,721 Relax. Uh, not a big deal. 89 00:03:31,872 --> 00:03:33,680 We just wanted to do it for a take. 90 00:03:33,728 --> 00:03:35,688 - Yeah, man, that's not cool. - You know what? You're right. 91 00:03:35,736 --> 00:03:36,832 My bad. 92 00:03:36,881 --> 00:03:38,184 We'll, we'll do it again, 93 00:03:38,232 --> 00:03:39,657 but without the photo. 94 00:03:39,908 --> 00:03:41,166 Okay. 95 00:03:41,252 --> 00:03:42,992 Yeah, okay. 96 00:03:46,132 --> 00:03:47,781 Got that? 97 00:03:47,962 --> 00:03:49,826 Morris was white-hot from doing 98 00:03:49,874 --> 00:03:51,959 several award-winning documentaries in a row. 99 00:03:52,008 --> 00:03:54,123 The king of those "30 Under 30" lists. 100 00:03:54,172 --> 00:03:56,050 He had a real gift for earning people's trust, 101 00:03:56,098 --> 00:03:58,224 convincing them, that he was on their side, 102 00:03:58,273 --> 00:04:00,663 that, they have a say on the final cut. 103 00:04:00,711 --> 00:04:02,622 Then, surprise! They didn't. 104 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,047 Hey. 105 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:09,890 Sorry, I, uh, totally forgot this was happening today. 106 00:04:09,938 --> 00:04:11,109 We just started. 107 00:04:11,157 --> 00:04:12,755 Uh, don't forget to tell him about the, uh, 108 00:04:12,804 --> 00:04:14,414 - forensics expert. - I know. 109 00:04:14,463 --> 00:04:16,467 And the, uh, the French prosecutor. 110 00:04:16,516 --> 00:04:17,730 I sent you that interview, right? 111 00:04:17,815 --> 00:04:19,578 He was biased against Aaron from the jump. 112 00:04:20,986 --> 00:04:22,922 I'm a decade older, 113 00:04:22,971 --> 00:04:25,146 but Aaron and I had similar upbringings... 114 00:04:25,195 --> 00:04:27,038 rich parents, private schools. 115 00:04:27,086 --> 00:04:29,431 I'm just lucky social media didn't exist. 116 00:04:29,479 --> 00:04:30,758 Look, if I was in Aaron's generation, 117 00:04:30,807 --> 00:04:33,122 I would have just as much embarrassing footage as he did. 118 00:04:33,353 --> 00:04:36,308 Of what? You studying tort reform at 15? 119 00:04:36,573 --> 00:04:38,266 I got into trouble. 120 00:04:38,375 --> 00:04:39,746 - Uh-huh. - Okay. 121 00:04:39,794 --> 00:04:40,851 The point is, 122 00:04:40,899 --> 00:04:42,740 when you grow up in this world, you don't hear "no" a lot, 123 00:04:42,788 --> 00:04:44,098 which can make you a real ass... 124 00:04:44,277 --> 00:04:45,969 Can make you a very selfish person. 125 00:04:46,017 --> 00:04:47,188 ? Another day ? 126 00:04:47,236 --> 00:04:48,885 Ooh-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo! 127 00:04:48,933 --> 00:04:50,436 Yo, they only got, like, five pairs 128 00:04:50,484 --> 00:04:52,324 of these in the whole world, and I got a pair. 129 00:04:52,476 --> 00:04:53,771 You don't have a pair, but I do. 130 00:04:53,820 --> 00:04:55,588 What's up, what's up?! 131 00:04:55,636 --> 00:04:57,503 Hey, yo, what up, everybody? It's your boy, AT! 132 00:04:57,551 --> 00:04:59,287 My guy Patty P right here. 133 00:04:59,335 --> 00:05:00,734 We got a pool party tonight. 134 00:05:00,782 --> 00:05:02,638 Everybody come through. 135 00:05:02,686 --> 00:05:04,249 Got the matching, you know? 136 00:05:04,297 --> 00:05:05,685 - Got the matching. - And the shoes. 137 00:05:05,733 --> 00:05:07,295 Hey. Have fun. 138 00:05:07,343 --> 00:05:08,905 - You know what it is. - Hey! Whoa! 139 00:05:08,953 --> 00:05:10,429 You know the vibes. 140 00:05:10,477 --> 00:05:11,668 You know the vibes! 141 00:05:16,767 --> 00:05:19,069 $30,000 a bottle, 142 00:05:19,139 --> 00:05:20,465 and he didn't drink a sip. 143 00:05:20,514 --> 00:05:22,702 That boy lost his mind. 144 00:05:22,750 --> 00:05:24,399 I had to get him out of his comfort zone. 145 00:05:24,447 --> 00:05:25,865 I mean, I-I thought, you know, 146 00:05:25,913 --> 00:05:28,449 a semester abroad, would've helped him mature, 147 00:05:28,498 --> 00:05:30,536 so, I sent him to Paris. 148 00:05:36,655 --> 00:05:38,457 I was on scholarship. 149 00:05:38,505 --> 00:05:39,849 University of Michigan. 150 00:05:39,897 --> 00:05:41,547 Go Wolverines. 151 00:05:41,595 --> 00:05:43,668 I don't know why I said that. Can I please start over? 152 00:05:43,717 --> 00:05:45,740 You're doing fine. 153 00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:47,686 Uh, when did you first meet Aaron and Patrick? 154 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:50,324 The program held a mixer, when we first arrived. 155 00:05:50,389 --> 00:05:52,684 It was mostly just a bunch of awkward college students, 156 00:05:52,733 --> 00:05:54,202 butchering French, but, 157 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:56,649 Aaron and Patrick were from this whole other world. 158 00:05:56,835 --> 00:05:58,825 First impressions? 159 00:05:58,873 --> 00:06:02,818 I mean, honestly, they seemed like entitled douchebags. 160 00:06:03,051 --> 00:06:04,301 But then I got to know them. 161 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:06,093 You know, it was like another planet... 162 00:06:06,141 --> 00:06:07,620 Planet Rich. 163 00:06:07,669 --> 00:06:08,965 Patrick was the funniest. 164 00:06:09,013 --> 00:06:11,098 All that stuff you saw on Instagram, 165 00:06:11,146 --> 00:06:12,424 no, that's not who they were. 166 00:06:12,473 --> 00:06:13,641 Yeah, I mean, we went from the 167 00:06:13,689 --> 00:06:15,038 Two Musketeers to Four, you know, 168 00:06:15,087 --> 00:06:16,176 just like that. 169 00:06:16,225 --> 00:06:17,974 Me, Patrick, Rowan, and Everest, 170 00:06:18,022 --> 00:06:19,248 we were, uh... 171 00:06:19,619 --> 00:06:21,066 Inseparable. 172 00:06:21,896 --> 00:06:23,428 And uh... 173 00:06:24,159 --> 00:06:26,287 Man, that feels like so long ago. 174 00:06:26,335 --> 00:06:27,495 Are you nervous about the reunion? 175 00:06:27,543 --> 00:06:28,681 A little. 176 00:06:28,729 --> 00:06:30,302 Or, a lot. 177 00:06:30,992 --> 00:06:32,271 Yeah, I mean, um, 178 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:34,286 I haven't seen them since the trial. 179 00:06:34,604 --> 00:06:36,191 And they all went home, 180 00:06:36,543 --> 00:06:39,339 graduated from college, got jobs, and... 181 00:06:39,522 --> 00:06:40,910 I went to prison. 182 00:06:40,958 --> 00:06:42,216 Do they believe in your innocence? 183 00:06:42,264 --> 00:06:43,810 Yeah, 100%. 184 00:06:44,092 --> 00:06:45,176 They've both said that. 185 00:06:45,224 --> 00:06:46,544 You know, there can be a big difference, 186 00:06:46,592 --> 00:06:47,764 between what people say, 187 00:06:47,812 --> 00:06:49,248 and what they believe. 188 00:06:52,853 --> 00:06:54,067 Sorry. Let's... Hold on. 189 00:06:54,116 --> 00:06:55,848 Let me reset that. 190 00:06:56,147 --> 00:06:57,798 Sorry. 191 00:07:05,943 --> 00:07:06,993 Ro, Ro, 192 00:07:07,041 --> 00:07:09,112 - good to see you, man! - Yeah, you too, man. 193 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,631 Yeah. You look so different. 194 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,898 Yeah, I'm a little older. 195 00:07:11,946 --> 00:07:13,987 No, it's not that. I don't know. 196 00:07:14,035 --> 00:07:15,380 You're like a different guy. 197 00:07:15,428 --> 00:07:17,043 Something like that. 198 00:07:17,343 --> 00:07:18,731 - I think I'm gonna cry. - Hey. 199 00:07:18,779 --> 00:07:20,419 No, no, no crying. You're gonna mess up my makeup. 200 00:07:20,467 --> 00:07:21,473 Oh! 201 00:07:21,521 --> 00:07:23,301 Oh, I'm sorry I didn't come sooner. 202 00:07:23,349 --> 00:07:24,835 No, d... don't worry about it, really. 203 00:07:24,884 --> 00:07:26,946 I'm just, glad to see you guys. 204 00:07:27,309 --> 00:07:29,002 Alright, so let's, uh, get inside. 205 00:07:29,050 --> 00:07:31,138 I got food, drinks... 206 00:07:31,313 --> 00:07:33,174 cameras, and, uh... 207 00:07:33,766 --> 00:07:35,017 I'm sorry. This is... 208 00:07:35,065 --> 00:07:36,573 - So weird. - Hey, it's fine. 209 00:07:36,621 --> 00:07:37,982 We're just happy to see you, bro. 210 00:07:38,277 --> 00:07:39,404 - Yeah, me too. - Yeah. 211 00:07:39,452 --> 00:07:41,057 Yeah. Alright. 212 00:07:41,105 --> 00:07:42,505 Guys, I got to swap out my battery. 213 00:07:42,553 --> 00:07:43,669 Give me a second? 214 00:07:43,779 --> 00:07:45,389 Okay. 215 00:07:53,161 --> 00:07:54,375 What the hell? 216 00:08:04,133 --> 00:08:05,652 Holy... 217 00:08:05,739 --> 00:08:07,345 Morris Mackey's throat had been cut. 218 00:08:07,393 --> 00:08:08,737 By the time his body was found, 219 00:08:08,785 --> 00:08:10,783 he'd been dead approximately four hours. 220 00:08:10,831 --> 00:08:12,611 And who were your initial suspects? 221 00:08:12,659 --> 00:08:14,461 Everyone who stepped foot in the house that day. 222 00:08:14,510 --> 00:08:16,545 - Including Aaron. - Everyone. 223 00:08:16,793 --> 00:08:19,045 - Good morning. - Good morning. 224 00:08:19,393 --> 00:08:20,445 It's nice to see you again. 225 00:08:20,494 --> 00:08:21,968 Nice to see you! 226 00:08:22,016 --> 00:08:23,399 I heard you were happy with how the last 227 00:08:23,447 --> 00:08:24,760 - documentary came out. - Oh, my God. 228 00:08:24,808 --> 00:08:26,705 It was so good, and, and... 229 00:08:27,831 --> 00:08:29,410 And I got so many compliments. 230 00:08:29,458 --> 00:08:30,582 Oh, that's great. 231 00:08:30,898 --> 00:08:32,168 How about you? 232 00:08:32,592 --> 00:08:34,372 Didn't see it. Can we get started? 233 00:08:34,420 --> 00:08:35,731 Uh, yeah. 234 00:08:35,908 --> 00:08:38,289 So, tell me what happened when you arrived at the scene. 235 00:08:38,337 --> 00:08:39,604 We were the first responders. 236 00:08:46,408 --> 00:08:47,776 Whoa. 237 00:08:47,824 --> 00:08:48,896 Okay. 238 00:08:48,945 --> 00:08:51,094 It was a, frenetic day. 239 00:08:51,143 --> 00:08:52,924 So many people, so... 240 00:08:52,972 --> 00:08:55,393 So many personalities. 241 00:08:55,441 --> 00:08:57,830 But, when you're talking a star-studded crime scene 242 00:08:57,878 --> 00:09:01,224 with a witness list comprised mostly of influencers, 243 00:09:01,272 --> 00:09:02,922 I guess that's no surprise. 244 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:04,445 Alright, look, even with all those cameras 245 00:09:04,493 --> 00:09:05,821 and phones rolling in the house, 246 00:09:05,869 --> 00:09:06,926 none of them caught anything 247 00:09:06,974 --> 00:09:08,790 even remotely helpful to our investigation. 248 00:09:08,839 --> 00:09:10,146 Yeah. Luck? 249 00:09:10,194 --> 00:09:13,542 It just wasn't in our cards that day. 250 00:09:14,237 --> 00:09:15,687 - What? - Why are you so happy? 251 00:09:15,736 --> 00:09:17,476 I am being colorful. 252 00:09:17,596 --> 00:09:18,839 They will use more of our coverage 253 00:09:18,888 --> 00:09:20,374 if we give them evocative sound bites. 254 00:09:20,422 --> 00:09:21,690 I'm right, right? 255 00:09:21,745 --> 00:09:23,346 Can we get back to the murder? 256 00:09:23,604 --> 00:09:24,910 I followed protocols. 257 00:09:24,958 --> 00:09:26,739 You know, I-I called it in, cleared the house, 258 00:09:26,787 --> 00:09:28,582 - did everything right. - Mm-hmm. 259 00:09:28,630 --> 00:09:30,558 - You believe me, right? - O-Of course. 260 00:09:30,606 --> 00:09:32,454 I mean, but we have to follow protocol, too. 261 00:09:32,503 --> 00:09:33,910 It's gonna be okay. 262 00:09:33,959 --> 00:09:35,878 I can't believe this is happening to me again. 263 00:09:35,927 --> 00:09:37,054 I know. 264 00:09:38,512 --> 00:09:39,932 A-Are you okay? 265 00:09:41,008 --> 00:09:42,744 I think I'm having, like, a panic attack. 266 00:09:42,792 --> 00:09:44,398 Oh, okay. Uh, just sit down, 267 00:09:44,446 --> 00:09:45,766 and I'm gonna grab you some water, okay? 268 00:09:45,814 --> 00:09:46,960 I'll be right back. 269 00:09:47,009 --> 00:09:48,489 Show's over. Time to go. 270 00:09:48,537 --> 00:09:51,231 What? Uh, no, no, no. No, it's not. 271 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:53,276 This is my house, my production. 272 00:09:53,324 --> 00:09:54,353 The show goes on. 273 00:09:54,402 --> 00:09:55,530 Connor, keep filming. 274 00:09:55,579 --> 00:09:56,659 Yeah, that's not how this works. 275 00:09:56,707 --> 00:09:57,773 This is my crime scene. 276 00:09:57,822 --> 00:09:59,538 Shut it off now. 277 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:01,650 Shut it off! 278 00:10:03,683 --> 00:10:05,001 There was nothing we could do. 279 00:10:05,083 --> 00:10:06,210 Well, thanks for coming out. 280 00:10:06,259 --> 00:10:07,334 Yeah. 281 00:10:07,382 --> 00:10:09,684 Our paramedic crew was short-staffed, 282 00:10:09,732 --> 00:10:11,894 and since we're all EMT-trained, 283 00:10:11,942 --> 00:10:13,079 I was subbing in. 284 00:10:13,127 --> 00:10:14,407 Oh, I don't understand. 285 00:10:14,455 --> 00:10:15,476 Why were you called in at all? 286 00:10:15,525 --> 00:10:16,996 He was clearly dead, right? 287 00:10:17,044 --> 00:10:19,390 You have no idea how many people I see look that way 288 00:10:19,438 --> 00:10:21,000 and then spring back to life. 289 00:10:21,048 --> 00:10:22,610 Oh. Interesting. 290 00:10:22,658 --> 00:10:23,916 And what did you think at the time? 291 00:10:23,964 --> 00:10:25,580 Did it seem to you like Aaron did it? 292 00:10:25,629 --> 00:10:26,681 Of course not. 293 00:10:26,729 --> 00:10:28,224 He would never do anything like that. 294 00:10:28,338 --> 00:10:30,521 Really? And you're confident saying that... 295 00:10:30,570 --> 00:10:32,678 considering your ex-husband? 296 00:10:33,549 --> 00:10:34,776 Wow. 297 00:10:35,044 --> 00:10:36,372 Okay. 298 00:10:36,542 --> 00:10:38,104 Ah, clearly, you come prepared. 299 00:10:38,152 --> 00:10:40,207 Yeah, um, I... 300 00:10:40,255 --> 00:10:42,915 I married a sociopath, once. 301 00:10:43,070 --> 00:10:46,212 So, maybe I'm not the best judge of character. 302 00:10:46,261 --> 00:10:47,821 It's not about being a good judge of character. 303 00:10:47,869 --> 00:10:49,196 We judge by the facts. 304 00:10:49,245 --> 00:10:50,670 And what did the facts say? 305 00:10:50,764 --> 00:10:52,282 At first? 306 00:10:52,772 --> 00:10:54,186 Not much. 307 00:10:55,952 --> 00:10:57,558 How long you been here filming today? 308 00:10:57,606 --> 00:10:59,255 About three or four hours. 309 00:10:59,303 --> 00:11:00,431 After rehearsal this morning, 310 00:11:00,479 --> 00:11:01,823 they had Everest and me in the kitchen, 311 00:11:01,871 --> 00:11:03,346 getting our hair and makeup done 312 00:11:03,394 --> 00:11:04,826 while they filmed other stuff. 313 00:11:04,874 --> 00:11:06,434 So you were in the kitchen the whole time? 314 00:11:06,482 --> 00:11:09,942 Uh, well, I did sneak off to crafty once or... 315 00:11:10,097 --> 00:11:11,529 four times. I heard they had ice cream, 316 00:11:11,577 --> 00:11:12,791 and I've been dieting like crazy 317 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:14,039 'cause I was gonna be on television, 318 00:11:14,088 --> 00:11:15,169 and I heard the camera adds like, 319 00:11:15,217 --> 00:11:16,681 10 pounds. Is that true? 320 00:11:16,730 --> 00:11:18,336 So when was the last time you saw Morris? 321 00:11:18,782 --> 00:11:20,562 Honestly, I ain't seen him all day. 322 00:11:20,665 --> 00:11:22,004 I was dealing with work stuff 323 00:11:22,061 --> 00:11:23,715 right up until we started filming. 324 00:11:23,763 --> 00:11:25,760 And where were you when Morris's body was found? 325 00:11:25,808 --> 00:11:27,475 In my office. 326 00:11:27,694 --> 00:11:28,894 And how would you characterize 327 00:11:28,942 --> 00:11:31,007 Aaron's relationship with Morris? 328 00:11:34,164 --> 00:11:36,221 It's important you tell the truth. 329 00:11:37,819 --> 00:11:40,340 They didn't always agree about the direction of the show. 330 00:11:40,388 --> 00:11:42,621 But my son, he would never hurt anyone. 331 00:11:49,484 --> 00:11:51,414 Hey, do we really have to do this in here? 332 00:11:52,313 --> 00:11:53,995 Yes, we do, son. 333 00:11:55,558 --> 00:11:58,469 Per government code 3300 and per Lybarger, 334 00:11:58,518 --> 00:12:00,407 I am required to advise, 335 00:12:00,455 --> 00:12:02,667 that you do not have the right to remain silent. 336 00:12:02,715 --> 00:12:05,365 Anything you say can and will be used against you. 337 00:12:05,413 --> 00:12:08,334 Refusal to fully, and completely, answer 338 00:12:08,382 --> 00:12:10,799 all of Detective Lopez's questions, 339 00:12:10,848 --> 00:12:13,805 will result in immediate termination. 340 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:16,197 Do you understand? 341 00:12:17,374 --> 00:12:18,424 Yes, sir. 342 00:12:18,472 --> 00:12:19,901 And I'm here to protect you, 343 00:12:19,949 --> 00:12:21,642 as your union representative. 344 00:12:21,858 --> 00:12:23,426 This is your choice. 345 00:12:23,474 --> 00:12:25,182 But like Sergeant Grey said, 346 00:12:25,324 --> 00:12:26,561 if you choose not to cooperate, 347 00:12:26,609 --> 00:12:27,682 you will lose your job. 348 00:12:27,731 --> 00:12:29,344 Of course I'll cooperate. 349 00:12:31,231 --> 00:12:32,412 Good man. 350 00:12:34,311 --> 00:12:35,526 Alright. 351 00:12:35,574 --> 00:12:36,954 I'll leave you to it. 352 00:12:40,636 --> 00:12:41,999 I didn't kill Morris. 353 00:12:45,791 --> 00:12:47,543 When I saw him, 354 00:12:47,856 --> 00:12:49,925 lying there, like Patrick... 355 00:12:49,974 --> 00:12:51,193 I understand. 356 00:12:51,241 --> 00:12:52,934 But it was common knowledge that you and Morris 357 00:12:52,982 --> 00:12:54,841 weren't on the best of terms. 358 00:12:54,946 --> 00:12:56,325 Who are you with? 359 00:12:56,373 --> 00:12:57,423 TMZ? 360 00:12:57,554 --> 00:12:58,604 You still feeding off my grief, 361 00:12:58,652 --> 00:12:59,732 - you vultures?! - Come on, guys. 362 00:12:59,781 --> 00:13:01,116 - Morris, what are you doing, man? - Get 'em out of here, man! 363 00:13:01,164 --> 00:13:02,553 - Go! - Get out of here now! 364 00:13:02,601 --> 00:13:05,837 Yeah, what he did to Patrick's dad was, 365 00:13:06,035 --> 00:13:08,967 callous, and exploitative, but, 366 00:13:09,015 --> 00:13:10,212 I wouldn't kill him for it. 367 00:13:10,260 --> 00:13:11,512 Yeah, that was bad. 368 00:13:11,561 --> 00:13:13,793 Aaron pulled over Patrick's dad 369 00:13:13,841 --> 00:13:15,291 in a routine car stop. 370 00:13:15,340 --> 00:13:18,401 It was a total random reunion, but... 371 00:13:18,628 --> 00:13:20,434 Morris and his cameraman, 372 00:13:20,482 --> 00:13:21,964 were there filming, and that just, 373 00:13:22,012 --> 00:13:23,486 made everything worse. 374 00:13:23,534 --> 00:13:26,504 Dexter Hayes, he was a-a grieving, father. 375 00:13:26,552 --> 00:13:27,932 You know? And he... 376 00:13:28,293 --> 00:13:31,096 He took a swing at Officer Thorsen, 377 00:13:31,145 --> 00:13:33,266 so we had to book him, but we let him go, 378 00:13:33,314 --> 00:13:34,909 as soon as we could. 379 00:13:35,124 --> 00:13:37,413 And, you know, I thought that would be the end of it. 380 00:13:37,461 --> 00:13:39,181 But you suspected that Patrick's dad 381 00:13:39,229 --> 00:13:40,695 - could have killed Morris? - We did. 382 00:13:40,763 --> 00:13:42,967 He was furious about "Every Rose Has A..." 383 00:13:44,054 --> 00:13:45,738 About the reality show. 384 00:13:46,209 --> 00:13:49,480 And after years of the press feeding off of his grief, 385 00:13:49,715 --> 00:13:52,286 yeah, it was believable that he could've snapped. 386 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,685 This is absurd. You do know that? 387 00:13:54,827 --> 00:13:56,467 Alright, sir, can you tell me where you were, 388 00:13:56,515 --> 00:13:57,628 yesterday afternoon? 389 00:13:57,676 --> 00:13:59,697 I was in the office, morning to midnight. 390 00:13:59,745 --> 00:14:01,699 Ask any one of my employees. 391 00:14:01,915 --> 00:14:03,439 I didn't do this. 392 00:14:03,487 --> 00:14:05,234 Any idea who did? 393 00:14:05,489 --> 00:14:08,232 I can tell you that, whoever killed that man, 394 00:14:08,579 --> 00:14:10,736 his last name is Thorsen. 395 00:14:11,713 --> 00:14:14,494 I blame myself for ever letting them into Patrick's life. 396 00:14:14,542 --> 00:14:15,843 They're a sick family. 397 00:14:15,891 --> 00:14:18,280 And Aaron is not the only killer among them. 398 00:14:18,328 --> 00:14:19,608 What did he mean by that? 399 00:14:19,656 --> 00:14:20,745 You know what he meant by that. 400 00:14:20,794 --> 00:14:21,901 And we knew, 401 00:14:21,949 --> 00:14:23,198 from the reality show, 402 00:14:23,246 --> 00:14:25,723 that Morris gave Aaron's father a clear motive. 403 00:14:25,771 --> 00:14:28,377 And that's what I was thinking for the opening theme. 404 00:14:28,425 --> 00:14:29,693 - Yeah? - Yeah. 405 00:14:29,742 --> 00:14:31,361 - I like it. - You do? 406 00:14:31,814 --> 00:14:33,376 Almost as much as I like you. 407 00:14:33,505 --> 00:14:34,775 Mm. 408 00:14:34,823 --> 00:14:36,734 You're so sweet. 409 00:14:36,782 --> 00:14:38,111 Oh. 410 00:14:38,261 --> 00:14:39,345 Hey! 411 00:14:39,393 --> 00:14:41,106 You hooking up with my wife, man?! 412 00:14:41,525 --> 00:14:42,740 Linc, it's not what you think. 413 00:14:42,788 --> 00:14:45,037 Boy, you better get the hell up out of here! 414 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:49,660 What the hell was that?! 415 00:14:49,708 --> 00:14:51,937 Are you seriously doing this to me again?! 416 00:14:51,986 --> 00:14:53,235 In my own house! 417 00:14:53,290 --> 00:14:54,651 There's footage of Lincoln, 418 00:14:54,699 --> 00:14:56,579 catching Morris and Yvonne, in an intimate moment. 419 00:14:56,627 --> 00:14:58,756 That had to factor into your investigation. 420 00:14:58,883 --> 00:15:01,062 Jealousy is a primal motive. 421 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:02,470 And some believe that Lincoln had killed 422 00:15:02,518 --> 00:15:03,978 for jealousy once before. 423 00:15:04,172 --> 00:15:06,285 He was a suspect in a 20-year-old murder, wasn't he? 424 00:15:06,442 --> 00:15:07,585 Yes, he was. 425 00:15:12,602 --> 00:15:13,762 What can you tell me, 426 00:15:13,810 --> 00:15:15,858 about your father's hip-hop duo, Flex n' Flow? 427 00:15:15,907 --> 00:15:17,483 I mean, I was, like, a baby, you know, 428 00:15:17,532 --> 00:15:18,618 when they were at their height. 429 00:15:18,667 --> 00:15:19,800 And, uh, 430 00:15:19,848 --> 00:15:22,213 that was the year "Make Da Noise" went platinum. 431 00:15:22,262 --> 00:15:23,484 Flex n' Flow had one of the most 432 00:15:23,532 --> 00:15:24,782 iconic singles of the late '90s. 433 00:15:24,830 --> 00:15:26,287 Oh, my God. "Make Da Noise"? 434 00:15:26,336 --> 00:15:29,264 That's like one of my go-to karaoke jams. 435 00:15:29,312 --> 00:15:30,831 ? My crib, it's all a-poppin' ? 436 00:15:30,879 --> 00:15:32,006 ? The party's never stoppin' ? 437 00:15:32,054 --> 00:15:33,181 ? Who da boyz that make da noise? ? 438 00:15:33,229 --> 00:15:34,922 ? Flex 'n Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ? 439 00:15:35,405 --> 00:15:36,639 Can I be interviewed alone? 440 00:15:38,495 --> 00:15:39,797 ? Yeah, we comin' for you. ? 441 00:15:39,845 --> 00:15:40,841 ? My crib, it's all a-poppin' ? 442 00:15:40,889 --> 00:15:42,190 ? This party's never stoppin' ? 443 00:15:42,238 --> 00:15:43,365 ? We're the boyz who make da noise ? 444 00:15:43,413 --> 00:15:44,715 ? Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ? 445 00:15:44,763 --> 00:15:46,151 ? My crib, it's all a-poppin' ? 446 00:15:46,199 --> 00:15:47,587 ? This party's never stoppin' ? 447 00:15:47,635 --> 00:15:48,762 ? We're the boyz who make da noise ? 448 00:15:48,810 --> 00:15:49,937 ? Flex n' Flow, yo, Flex n' Flow ? 449 00:15:49,985 --> 00:15:51,069 ? Flex n' Flow ? 450 00:16:00,343 --> 00:16:02,571 Oh, yes, that's me. 451 00:16:02,698 --> 00:16:04,909 I was a Flow Girl. 452 00:16:04,957 --> 00:16:06,737 Wait. What? 453 00:16:06,785 --> 00:16:09,609 There was a scout who saw me cheering in high school, 454 00:16:09,657 --> 00:16:11,306 and he asked me to audition. 455 00:16:11,354 --> 00:16:13,545 At first, I thought he was just trying to get in my pants. 456 00:16:13,594 --> 00:16:16,249 But it turned out to be legit, 457 00:16:16,297 --> 00:16:19,046 and it was for Flex n' Flow. 458 00:16:19,095 --> 00:16:20,968 I was the biggest fan. 459 00:16:21,016 --> 00:16:22,577 What are you wearing, by the way? 460 00:16:22,625 --> 00:16:24,191 Oh, I teach capoeira 461 00:16:24,239 --> 00:16:26,800 - on Thursdays and Sundays. - Oh. 462 00:16:26,848 --> 00:16:28,541 Did you ever see Flex n' Flow argue, 463 00:16:28,589 --> 00:16:29,709 while you were working with them? 464 00:16:29,757 --> 00:16:32,153 Mm, I mean, well, sure, 465 00:16:32,201 --> 00:16:33,907 but nothing serious. 466 00:16:33,956 --> 00:16:36,090 They were like brothers, and brothers fight. 467 00:16:36,139 --> 00:16:37,660 What do you say to the people who are convinced 468 00:16:37,708 --> 00:16:39,335 that your husband killed his late partner? 469 00:16:39,384 --> 00:16:42,207 Oh, honey, this alleged "feud" between Linc and Calvin 470 00:16:42,255 --> 00:16:45,194 has gotten blown way out of proportion over the years. 471 00:16:45,243 --> 00:16:46,907 But what about the night of Calvin's murder? 472 00:16:46,956 --> 00:16:49,358 The infamous pre-release party for "2 Hype Homies"? 473 00:16:49,407 --> 00:16:51,869 Did the party get a little wild? Sure. 474 00:16:51,917 --> 00:16:54,088 Did the police come and break it up? Mm-hmm. 475 00:16:54,136 --> 00:16:56,874 And did Linc and Calvin argue? You bet. 476 00:16:56,922 --> 00:16:58,919 But they were just passionate people. 477 00:16:58,967 --> 00:17:02,053 And nobody ever threatened nobody. 478 00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:05,031 Yeah, they, uh, they threatened each other. 479 00:17:05,381 --> 00:17:06,508 I was there. 480 00:17:06,588 --> 00:17:08,194 I was a rookie officer then. 481 00:17:08,281 --> 00:17:11,157 And my T.O. and I had got a 415 call, 482 00:17:11,206 --> 00:17:13,499 for an out-of-control party. 483 00:17:13,547 --> 00:17:17,372 It was a record release event, for Flex n' Flow. 484 00:17:17,420 --> 00:17:19,694 But anyway, as we were breaking things up, 485 00:17:19,743 --> 00:17:22,247 I saw Flex n' Flow in each other's faces. 486 00:17:22,295 --> 00:17:24,295 Could you hear what they were fighting about? 487 00:17:24,343 --> 00:17:27,261 No. Um, as I approached, their limousine was pulling up. 488 00:17:27,363 --> 00:17:28,816 But Flex, um... 489 00:17:28,865 --> 00:17:30,083 Um, I'm sorry, Lincoln... 490 00:17:30,131 --> 00:17:31,542 was still very hot. 491 00:17:31,591 --> 00:17:34,761 He refused to get into the limo with Flow, 492 00:17:34,809 --> 00:17:36,244 and, um... 493 00:17:36,396 --> 00:17:38,643 Yeah, he said that he'd rather walk 494 00:17:38,753 --> 00:17:41,092 than to deal with Flow's nonsense. 495 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:42,354 Um... 496 00:17:42,590 --> 00:17:43,972 It was a good thing, too. 497 00:17:44,066 --> 00:17:46,619 A devastating loss for the music industry today, 498 00:17:46,667 --> 00:17:47,890 as Calvin Yard, 499 00:17:47,938 --> 00:17:50,623 one half of the popular duo Flex n' Flow, 500 00:17:50,671 --> 00:17:52,973 was gunned down in Los Angeles last night 501 00:17:53,021 --> 00:17:55,497 after leaving his record launch party. 502 00:17:55,545 --> 00:17:57,641 It couldn't have been more than five minutes later, 503 00:17:57,689 --> 00:17:59,793 that we got a, shots-fired call. 504 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:04,376 As Flow's limo was making the turn on La Cienega, 505 00:18:04,424 --> 00:18:07,676 a car pulled alongside it and unloaded 20 rounds 506 00:18:07,725 --> 00:18:09,157 at the rear of the vehicle. 507 00:18:10,734 --> 00:18:13,761 Flow was shot, seven times. 508 00:18:14,738 --> 00:18:16,169 Yeah. 509 00:18:17,045 --> 00:18:18,980 That was my first homicide. 510 00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:20,740 I'll never forget it. 511 00:18:20,869 --> 00:18:22,486 It changes you. 512 00:18:22,593 --> 00:18:26,086 I did not have anything to do with Calvin's death. 513 00:18:26,801 --> 00:18:28,241 But at the time of his murder, 514 00:18:28,289 --> 00:18:29,837 - all the talk was... - That was garbage, man. 515 00:18:29,886 --> 00:18:31,057 All garbage. 516 00:18:31,106 --> 00:18:32,430 I loved Calvin like a brother. 517 00:18:32,479 --> 00:18:33,851 You know, this... 518 00:18:34,068 --> 00:18:35,586 This is straight-up exploitive. 519 00:18:35,635 --> 00:18:36,918 Calvin's murder was solved, 520 00:18:36,966 --> 00:18:38,547 decades ago, and you know it. 521 00:18:38,633 --> 00:18:42,023 A man named Gary Brown was convicted of Flow's murder. 522 00:18:42,157 --> 00:18:44,590 It turns out Flow was sleeping with Gary's wife. 523 00:18:44,638 --> 00:18:46,990 So as far as the LAPD was concerned, 524 00:18:47,038 --> 00:18:48,223 case closed. 525 00:18:48,272 --> 00:18:49,688 Yeah, but the aura of guilt haunted 526 00:18:49,736 --> 00:18:51,871 Lincoln's reputation like a dark shroud. 527 00:18:52,646 --> 00:18:53,832 I'm sorry. 528 00:18:53,881 --> 00:18:55,640 That was really good. 529 00:18:56,411 --> 00:18:57,830 Thanks. 530 00:18:58,043 --> 00:19:00,002 And with Lincoln alibi'd out, you know, 531 00:19:00,051 --> 00:19:02,019 the investigation focused on Yvonne. 532 00:19:02,068 --> 00:19:03,442 Mrs. Thorsen, how long, 533 00:19:03,490 --> 00:19:05,175 had you been having an affair with Morris Mackey? 534 00:19:05,224 --> 00:19:06,612 Please. 535 00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:08,266 I was not sleeping with him. 536 00:19:08,314 --> 00:19:09,378 But the footage... 537 00:19:09,426 --> 00:19:11,397 From "Every Rose Has A Thorsen", we saw it. 538 00:19:11,445 --> 00:19:13,135 That was for the show. 539 00:19:13,449 --> 00:19:15,186 What, are you saying you staged it? 540 00:19:15,278 --> 00:19:18,450 It's a reality show. Of course we staged it. 541 00:19:18,498 --> 00:19:20,495 I can prove it. I have the rest of the footage. 542 00:19:20,543 --> 00:19:22,715 Boy, you better get the hell up out of here! 543 00:19:25,505 --> 00:19:26,937 What the hell was that?! 544 00:19:27,036 --> 00:19:29,287 Are you seriously doing this to me again?! 545 00:19:29,335 --> 00:19:30,556 In my own house! 546 00:19:30,605 --> 00:19:32,638 You got some nerve! 547 00:19:32,686 --> 00:19:34,580 L-Let's talk about all the women you slept with 548 00:19:34,629 --> 00:19:36,250 when you were F-Flex? 549 00:19:36,298 --> 00:19:37,738 Cut! 550 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:40,254 Cut, cut, cut, cut. 551 00:19:40,302 --> 00:19:41,838 Linc, buddy, 552 00:19:41,886 --> 00:19:43,605 you're going off-script. 553 00:19:43,653 --> 00:19:46,635 "I can't believe you're seriously doing this to me again"? 554 00:19:46,684 --> 00:19:47,696 That's not the line. 555 00:19:47,744 --> 00:19:49,133 Yeah, man, I was improv'ing a little. 556 00:19:49,181 --> 00:19:51,004 Yeah, maybe not do that, okay? 557 00:19:51,052 --> 00:19:52,658 It's a lot more powerful if this is the first time 558 00:19:52,706 --> 00:19:54,051 Yvonne has stepped out on you. 559 00:19:54,099 --> 00:19:56,053 Okay. So, Morris, how did I do? 560 00:19:56,251 --> 00:19:57,611 It was a bit big. 561 00:19:57,754 --> 00:19:59,621 Yeah, maybe, uh, dial it back a hair. 562 00:19:59,762 --> 00:20:00,933 Let's go again. 563 00:20:00,990 --> 00:20:02,450 Back to one. 564 00:20:02,498 --> 00:20:03,712 Go. 565 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,064 We're making a show, people. 566 00:20:06,594 --> 00:20:08,114 None of that was in the footage, 567 00:20:08,162 --> 00:20:09,434 you turned over to us. 568 00:20:09,531 --> 00:20:11,137 Oops. My bad. 569 00:20:11,186 --> 00:20:13,331 We want everything... now... 570 00:20:13,379 --> 00:20:15,333 or you'll be arrested for obstruction. 571 00:20:15,585 --> 00:20:17,813 Ooh, that was good. 572 00:20:17,861 --> 00:20:19,815 Do you think I can get a copy of that? 573 00:20:19,863 --> 00:20:21,817 That will play really well in the show. 574 00:20:21,865 --> 00:20:23,515 Mrs. Thorsen, this is serious. 575 00:20:23,563 --> 00:20:25,343 Morris Mackey was murdered in your house. 576 00:20:25,391 --> 00:20:26,909 Your son is still a suspect. 577 00:20:26,957 --> 00:20:28,955 Just like the police to only focus 578 00:20:29,003 --> 00:20:31,088 on what's in front of their nose. 579 00:20:31,136 --> 00:20:33,742 Morris Mackey didn't just appear out of thin air 580 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:35,222 when he started working for me. 581 00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:37,790 Honey, the man had enemies. 582 00:20:43,017 --> 00:20:44,449 They're the crazy ones! 583 00:20:44,497 --> 00:20:45,972 We're the sane ones! 584 00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:48,280 You're the cult! You're sheep! 585 00:20:48,329 --> 00:20:50,237 Prior to working with the Thorsen family, 586 00:20:50,285 --> 00:20:53,535 Morris had been hired by a bunch of QAnon conspiracy theorists. 587 00:20:53,704 --> 00:20:55,048 Apparently, they didn't like 588 00:20:55,096 --> 00:20:57,027 the negative publicity they were getting, 589 00:20:57,075 --> 00:20:58,920 and they wanted to show their side. 590 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:00,291 Try to control the narrative. 591 00:21:00,339 --> 00:21:01,620 - Mm. - So what happened? 592 00:21:01,668 --> 00:21:03,359 Morris was allowed into the inner sanctum. 593 00:21:03,473 --> 00:21:05,017 Conducted dozens of interviews, 594 00:21:05,065 --> 00:21:07,121 with founders and followers, but... 595 00:21:07,169 --> 00:21:08,382 He didn't make a propaganda film, 596 00:21:08,431 --> 00:21:09,604 he told the truth. 597 00:21:09,652 --> 00:21:10,866 We're in a war. 598 00:21:10,914 --> 00:21:12,251 Every one of us is prepared 599 00:21:12,299 --> 00:21:13,665 to start killing, for our freedom. 600 00:21:13,714 --> 00:21:14,861 Morris may have won an Emmy, 601 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:16,843 but he also pissed off a lot of unhinged 602 00:21:16,892 --> 00:21:18,352 and hyper-violent people. 603 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,962 The storm is coming. 604 00:21:20,010 --> 00:21:21,771 There will be retribution. 605 00:21:24,072 --> 00:21:25,873 I've heard rumors that you have insight 606 00:21:25,921 --> 00:21:27,333 into the QAnon angle on this case. 607 00:21:27,439 --> 00:21:30,451 Have you ever tried to put toothpaste back in the tube? 608 00:21:30,499 --> 00:21:32,540 Look, I know it's an expression, 609 00:21:32,588 --> 00:21:35,021 but have you actually tried to do it? 610 00:21:35,328 --> 00:21:36,588 I have. 611 00:21:36,736 --> 00:21:38,416 It's basically impossible. 612 00:21:38,464 --> 00:21:40,157 And what do you think Q is trying to tell people 613 00:21:40,205 --> 00:21:42,783 with his Q-Drops, these cryptic messages? 614 00:21:42,844 --> 00:21:44,363 I really wasn't trying to say anything. 615 00:21:44,412 --> 00:21:47,454 I was just typing, and maybe I got a little carried away. 616 00:21:47,621 --> 00:21:49,380 Wait. What did you say? 617 00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:52,915 Well, I guess now is as good a time as any, 618 00:21:52,963 --> 00:21:54,431 to reveal it. 619 00:21:56,517 --> 00:21:57,913 I'm Q. 620 00:21:57,961 --> 00:21:59,263 Smitty is Q? 621 00:21:59,312 --> 00:22:00,343 I'm sorry. What? 622 00:22:00,392 --> 00:22:01,999 - Lord, give me strength. - What? 623 00:22:02,048 --> 00:22:04,442 A lot of writers use pseudonyms. 624 00:22:04,564 --> 00:22:07,140 Q is my first initial, so... 625 00:22:07,328 --> 00:22:09,257 Hey, is my name down there? 626 00:22:10,747 --> 00:22:12,408 But it was an accident? He... 627 00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:14,191 He didn't start it on purpose? 628 00:22:14,239 --> 00:22:15,399 That's what he said. 629 00:22:15,447 --> 00:22:16,802 Yeah, sounds like Smitty. 630 00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:18,934 I was trying to start the fan-fiction club 631 00:22:18,982 --> 00:22:21,546 for "This Is Us," and things just got out of hand. 632 00:22:21,594 --> 00:22:23,314 What the hell does "This is Us" fanfic 633 00:22:23,362 --> 00:22:24,505 have to do with a cult? 634 00:22:24,553 --> 00:22:27,639 I mistakenly mixed cough syrup with diet pills 635 00:22:27,687 --> 00:22:30,514 when I was writing this satanic, alien story line 636 00:22:30,563 --> 00:22:32,426 for Jack and Rebecca. 637 00:22:32,474 --> 00:22:34,847 I woke up the next morning and read it... 638 00:22:35,260 --> 00:22:36,561 None of it made sense. 639 00:22:36,609 --> 00:22:38,867 But, overnight, I'd gotten so many followers, 640 00:22:38,915 --> 00:22:40,173 I just went with it. 641 00:22:40,221 --> 00:22:43,037 You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. 642 00:22:44,269 --> 00:22:46,271 Morris had received threats, 643 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:48,645 from hundreds of QAnon followers, but, 644 00:22:48,885 --> 00:22:50,501 when we started investigating them, 645 00:22:50,550 --> 00:22:52,591 one immediately stood out. 646 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,001 Tell me about Connor Hart. 647 00:22:54,055 --> 00:22:55,384 What about him got your attention? 648 00:22:55,433 --> 00:22:58,831 Well, he was working as a cameraman on the reality show, so... 649 00:22:58,879 --> 00:23:00,237 That. 650 00:23:01,416 --> 00:23:03,378 Connor, thanks for coming down. 651 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,329 I'm not in trouble, am I? 652 00:23:05,377 --> 00:23:07,856 No. We just need to clear a few things up. 653 00:23:08,342 --> 00:23:10,222 I told you everything I know. 654 00:23:10,719 --> 00:23:12,322 I was getting a battery, and, 655 00:23:12,370 --> 00:23:13,805 he was just lying there. 656 00:23:13,994 --> 00:23:15,347 I'm not sure if you're aware, 657 00:23:15,396 --> 00:23:18,034 but it's common to run background checks on witnesses. 658 00:23:18,104 --> 00:23:19,784 And when we looked into you, we discovered, 659 00:23:19,832 --> 00:23:21,065 that you're a member of QAnon. 660 00:23:21,114 --> 00:23:22,422 No, no, no, I... 661 00:23:22,542 --> 00:23:24,652 I may have gone to a political rally or two, 662 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:26,045 but I'm really not into that. 663 00:23:26,486 --> 00:23:27,786 I swear. 664 00:23:27,947 --> 00:23:29,440 We're in a war. 665 00:23:29,488 --> 00:23:32,312 Every one of us is prepared to start killing for our freedom. 666 00:23:32,442 --> 00:23:33,879 The storm is coming. 667 00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:35,448 There will be retribution. 668 00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:43,454 So, clearly, you are a follower of Q. 669 00:23:43,502 --> 00:23:44,672 Why would you work for Morris? 670 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,131 Honestly? 671 00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:47,718 I realized, Morris was the best thing 672 00:23:47,767 --> 00:23:49,189 that could have happened to the movement. 673 00:23:49,508 --> 00:23:50,678 That makes no sense. 674 00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:52,279 But it does. 675 00:23:52,554 --> 00:23:55,292 Morris's documentary exposed who was a true believer. 676 00:23:55,556 --> 00:23:57,130 And who wasn't. 677 00:23:57,844 --> 00:23:59,501 He never admitted it, 678 00:23:59,909 --> 00:24:02,270 but, I think Morris was working for Q. 679 00:24:02,999 --> 00:24:04,737 That's why I followed him to the next gig. 680 00:24:04,871 --> 00:24:07,275 Do you still consider yourself a believer of Q? 681 00:24:07,382 --> 00:24:09,415 Well, some stuff didn't come true. 682 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:12,265 The London bombing, the Pope's arrest, 683 00:24:12,313 --> 00:24:13,658 Zuckerberg still has a job. 684 00:24:13,706 --> 00:24:15,399 January 20th came and went, 685 00:24:15,634 --> 00:24:17,339 March 4th came and went. 686 00:24:17,579 --> 00:24:19,947 I'm starting to think Kennedy is still dead. 687 00:24:20,365 --> 00:24:21,448 Both of them. 688 00:24:21,496 --> 00:24:22,627 Mm. 689 00:24:22,676 --> 00:24:25,631 So you don't believe in Q anymore? 690 00:24:25,805 --> 00:24:27,498 Oh, I believe every word. 691 00:24:27,631 --> 00:24:29,021 Connor was, um... 692 00:24:29,069 --> 00:24:30,533 Deranged? 693 00:24:30,940 --> 00:24:32,416 Let's say... 694 00:24:32,464 --> 00:24:35,065 Reality-challenged, which doesn't make him a killer. 695 00:24:35,114 --> 00:24:36,182 No. 696 00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:37,899 And the fact that he had a camera on his shoulder, 697 00:24:37,947 --> 00:24:39,771 for the entire murder window, 698 00:24:39,819 --> 00:24:42,728 means that he couldn't have killed Morris, so... 699 00:24:42,776 --> 00:24:43,905 We were back to square one. 700 00:24:43,953 --> 00:24:45,733 When the QAnon lead didn't pan out, 701 00:24:45,781 --> 00:24:47,561 how did you pick up the pieces of the case? 702 00:24:47,609 --> 00:24:50,303 We rolled up our sleeves and put in the hours. 703 00:24:50,351 --> 00:24:52,062 We took on the painstaking process, 704 00:24:52,111 --> 00:24:54,568 of reviewing every piece of video Morris shot, 705 00:24:54,616 --> 00:24:57,100 in the weeks before he died, including, 706 00:24:57,148 --> 00:24:59,637 the footage Yvonne "forgot" to give us. 707 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:01,880 Until I found something that changed everything. 708 00:25:04,627 --> 00:25:06,075 Lopez! 709 00:25:06,554 --> 00:25:08,072 Come look at this! 710 00:25:08,191 --> 00:25:09,841 So I immediately informed Detective Lopez 711 00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:10,961 of what I discovered. 712 00:25:11,010 --> 00:25:12,805 - Look what I just found. - Wow. 713 00:25:12,924 --> 00:25:14,007 What? 714 00:25:14,114 --> 00:25:15,427 Look. 715 00:25:16,328 --> 00:25:17,982 Okay. 716 00:25:23,341 --> 00:25:25,855 I thought I knew everything about Patrick's murder. 717 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:27,593 I had done my homework. 718 00:25:28,346 --> 00:25:30,688 But the truth, was hiding right in front of me, 719 00:25:30,736 --> 00:25:32,108 all this time. 720 00:25:32,785 --> 00:25:33,908 I know, 721 00:25:33,956 --> 00:25:35,606 who killed Patrick Hayes. 722 00:25:35,831 --> 00:25:37,305 And I can prove it. I... 723 00:25:39,922 --> 00:25:41,455 Uh, someone's here. 724 00:25:42,288 --> 00:25:43,458 More to follow. 725 00:25:43,578 --> 00:25:45,158 That video was recorded 726 00:25:45,206 --> 00:25:47,208 minutes before Morris was murdered. 727 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:51,330 I mean, Morris claiming 728 00:25:51,378 --> 00:25:52,476 that he knew who the killer was, 729 00:25:52,525 --> 00:25:53,822 must've been energizing for you. 730 00:25:53,871 --> 00:25:55,502 Finally a break in your roommate's murder... 731 00:25:55,551 --> 00:25:56,666 No, he... 732 00:25:56,714 --> 00:25:58,102 He wasn't my roommate. 733 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,633 And I, I hate when people call him that... 734 00:26:00,682 --> 00:26:01,760 you know, like we, 735 00:26:01,808 --> 00:26:03,518 found each other on some French Craigslist, 736 00:26:03,567 --> 00:26:04,656 or something like that. 737 00:26:04,705 --> 00:26:05,900 Patrick was my best friend, 738 00:26:05,948 --> 00:26:07,380 from the time that we were little kids. 739 00:26:07,428 --> 00:26:08,789 I mean, I was at his house so often, 740 00:26:08,838 --> 00:26:10,529 his dad bought us two of everything, 741 00:26:10,578 --> 00:26:11,836 you know, like siblings. 742 00:26:11,885 --> 00:26:13,467 Yeah, Patrick was my brother. 743 00:26:13,608 --> 00:26:15,008 How did it feel to hear that Morris thought 744 00:26:15,056 --> 00:26:16,697 he'd discovered who killed Patrick? 745 00:26:16,814 --> 00:26:17,987 I mean... 746 00:26:18,088 --> 00:26:21,219 There had been so many theories over the years. 747 00:26:21,268 --> 00:26:24,510 And so many people think that they had it figured out, I... 748 00:26:24,642 --> 00:26:27,452 I just, never really got my hopes up about it. 749 00:26:27,501 --> 00:26:28,838 This was different, though. I mean, 750 00:26:28,886 --> 00:26:30,891 he made a break in the case, and died minutes later. 751 00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:32,274 You have to see the connection. 752 00:26:32,323 --> 00:26:34,078 Well, uh... 753 00:26:34,322 --> 00:26:36,671 In the words of Detective Harper... 754 00:26:37,023 --> 00:26:38,705 We look for facts, 755 00:26:38,753 --> 00:26:40,108 not stories. 756 00:26:40,156 --> 00:26:41,806 Yeah, sure, but, I mean, the timing... 757 00:26:41,854 --> 00:26:43,982 I mean, these murders had to be related. 758 00:26:44,030 --> 00:26:46,463 Whoever killed Patrick also killed Morris. 759 00:26:46,511 --> 00:26:48,111 Is it possible, Morris found out, 760 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:49,466 that Aaron was the killer all along? 761 00:26:49,514 --> 00:26:50,564 Not a chance. 762 00:26:50,612 --> 00:26:51,924 The Paris police never had 763 00:26:51,972 --> 00:26:54,514 a shred of evidence, against Aaron. 764 00:26:54,562 --> 00:26:56,334 They fumbled the entire case. 765 00:26:56,383 --> 00:26:57,641 Right off the bat, the paparazzi 766 00:26:57,690 --> 00:26:59,301 completely contaminated the crime scene. 767 00:27:16,541 --> 00:27:18,582 But Aaron's DNA was all over the murder weapon. 768 00:27:18,673 --> 00:27:21,131 You mean the knife the killer pulled from the kitchen block, 769 00:27:21,179 --> 00:27:23,167 on Aaron and Patrick's counter? What... 770 00:27:23,215 --> 00:27:25,240 What do you want to bet, that if we went to your house, 771 00:27:25,288 --> 00:27:26,471 we'd find your DNA, 772 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,253 all over your stuff too? I mean... 773 00:27:29,854 --> 00:27:31,969 - Was that too mean? - No... 774 00:27:32,201 --> 00:27:33,676 That actually felt good. 775 00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:35,172 It was a dumb question. 776 00:27:35,221 --> 00:27:36,258 From the beginning, 777 00:27:36,307 --> 00:27:37,753 the French police's case against Aaron 778 00:27:37,801 --> 00:27:39,307 - seemed flawed... - Oh, yeah. 779 00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:41,522 Their case was a mess, and, 780 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:43,084 their forensics were compromised. 781 00:27:43,132 --> 00:27:44,703 I mean, the theory that Aaron 782 00:27:44,751 --> 00:27:46,268 killed Patrick because he didn't do 783 00:27:46,316 --> 00:27:47,921 his share of the chores, never made sense. 784 00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:49,724 For one thing, they had a housekeeper. 785 00:27:49,805 --> 00:27:51,440 For another, Aaron is not a psychopath, 786 00:27:51,489 --> 00:27:53,415 which you would have to be, to stab your roommate, 787 00:27:53,464 --> 00:27:55,238 for leaving dirty dishes in the sink. 788 00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:57,791 I mean, I've come close to stabbing him, 789 00:27:57,839 --> 00:27:59,806 over dirty dishes, but... 790 00:28:00,135 --> 00:28:01,451 That's different, we're married. 791 00:28:01,499 --> 00:28:02,603 Mm. 792 00:28:02,652 --> 00:28:04,092 What do you say to the theory, 793 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:06,064 that Aaron had a falling out, with his roommate? 794 00:28:06,112 --> 00:28:08,806 Aaron and Patrick, were out partying that night. 795 00:28:08,854 --> 00:28:10,503 Does that sound like a broken friendship 796 00:28:10,551 --> 00:28:11,722 careening towards murder? 797 00:28:11,771 --> 00:28:12,712 By his own admission, 798 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,333 Aaron was taking prescription drugs. 799 00:28:14,381 --> 00:28:17,205 Yeah, for a football injury he got in high school. 800 00:28:17,253 --> 00:28:18,780 They impair your ability 801 00:28:18,828 --> 00:28:21,364 to operate heavy machinery, not-not... 802 00:28:21,579 --> 00:28:23,211 Turn you into a hardened killer. 803 00:28:24,778 --> 00:28:26,519 Aaron passed out early. 804 00:28:26,872 --> 00:28:28,226 Woke up in the middle of the night. 805 00:28:28,275 --> 00:28:29,988 Went to pee, and, 806 00:28:30,458 --> 00:28:31,989 found Patrick's body. 807 00:28:40,737 --> 00:28:43,789 The French police took one look at a young Black man, 808 00:28:43,838 --> 00:28:45,495 and decided he was the killer. 809 00:28:45,543 --> 00:28:47,975 I mean, they didn't even pursue any other suspects. 810 00:28:48,023 --> 00:28:49,851 Bonjour, I appreciate you speaking with me. 811 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:51,812 Your accent is terrible. 812 00:28:52,114 --> 00:28:53,994 Um, Detective, you've been accused of leading, 813 00:28:54,042 --> 00:28:55,978 an incredibly biased investigation... 814 00:28:56,049 --> 00:28:57,767 Mais non. 815 00:28:57,835 --> 00:28:59,135 We followed the facts. 816 00:28:59,218 --> 00:29:00,939 Mm, and the fact that Patrick 817 00:29:00,987 --> 00:29:02,605 picked up a woman at the club that night? 818 00:29:02,654 --> 00:29:03,774 Collette Lavinge? 819 00:29:03,892 --> 00:29:06,420 She was seen leaving, the apartment, 820 00:29:06,476 --> 00:29:07,908 before the time of death. 821 00:29:07,956 --> 00:29:09,127 Understand? 822 00:29:09,176 --> 00:29:11,624 What about her jealous, controlling boyfriend? 823 00:29:11,673 --> 00:29:13,346 Did you interview him? 824 00:29:14,884 --> 00:29:17,491 - No. We did not. - Mm. 825 00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:20,021 But the thing that ultimately got you released from prison, 826 00:29:20,069 --> 00:29:21,518 was the identification of this man. 827 00:29:21,796 --> 00:29:23,434 Yeah. Collette's boyfriend, Julien. 828 00:29:23,483 --> 00:29:24,587 Handsome. 829 00:29:24,635 --> 00:29:25,752 French. 830 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,130 And, you know, 831 00:29:27,178 --> 00:29:28,670 let's just say it, he's super white. 832 00:29:28,718 --> 00:29:30,908 You know? Uh, what is... 833 00:29:30,986 --> 00:29:33,107 What is "Finance Bro", in French? 834 00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:35,427 Shouldn't you know that? You spent years in France. 835 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,785 Yeah, but I didn't... 836 00:29:36,833 --> 00:29:37,895 I didn't retain it. 837 00:29:38,071 --> 00:29:39,619 It was actually, 838 00:29:39,667 --> 00:29:41,228 a group of Internet sleuths, 839 00:29:41,276 --> 00:29:42,813 who found Collette's boyfriend. 840 00:29:42,861 --> 00:29:44,967 They spent countless hours, 841 00:29:45,015 --> 00:29:46,292 investigating Aaron's case. 842 00:29:46,341 --> 00:29:47,905 They also pointed the finger at dozens 843 00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:49,602 of innocent people, ruining their lives. 844 00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:52,265 Yes. Some members of the group took it a little too far. 845 00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:53,780 We've been looking at 846 00:29:53,828 --> 00:29:55,098 the Internet sleuths, actually. 847 00:29:55,308 --> 00:29:57,957 Any chance you post under the title 848 00:29:58,114 --> 00:29:59,534 "truecrimejunkie"? 849 00:30:00,271 --> 00:30:01,578 I... 850 00:30:02,564 --> 00:30:03,736 That-That... 851 00:30:03,784 --> 00:30:05,314 That doesn't s... 852 00:30:05,392 --> 00:30:07,049 I might have logged on once... 853 00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:09,167 - Once or twice, yeah. - Seriously? 854 00:30:09,583 --> 00:30:10,874 I mean, can you not see, 855 00:30:10,922 --> 00:30:12,930 how people would take that as a clear sign of bias? 856 00:30:12,978 --> 00:30:14,353 I categorically deny, 857 00:30:14,401 --> 00:30:16,692 any preferential treatment, okay? 858 00:30:16,775 --> 00:30:18,321 How can you say that with a straight face, 859 00:30:18,369 --> 00:30:19,373 when it was revealed that Julien, 860 00:30:19,421 --> 00:30:21,329 was the son of the French Finance Minister? 861 00:30:21,377 --> 00:30:22,457 Are you telling me you didn't get 862 00:30:22,505 --> 00:30:24,106 a phone call asking you... 863 00:30:24,154 --> 00:30:25,010 Merci beaucoup. 864 00:30:25,092 --> 00:30:26,350 C'est terminé. 865 00:30:26,408 --> 00:30:27,466 Merci. 866 00:30:27,514 --> 00:30:29,484 Oh, come on, don't do that. Come back. 867 00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:30,877 So, it must've been so frustrating, 868 00:30:30,925 --> 00:30:32,259 to learn that the French police 869 00:30:32,307 --> 00:30:34,370 knew his identity, before your first trial, and, 870 00:30:34,418 --> 00:30:35,692 didn't say anything. 871 00:30:35,740 --> 00:30:38,145 I mean, yeah. The-the good news was that, 872 00:30:38,193 --> 00:30:40,569 the fact that they ignored Julien... 873 00:30:40,618 --> 00:30:42,699 Uh, it got me my retrial. 874 00:30:42,747 --> 00:30:45,273 But, the bad news was, 875 00:30:45,321 --> 00:30:47,728 the unidentified DNA on the knife, it... 876 00:30:47,776 --> 00:30:49,663 It didn't belong to Julien, so he... 877 00:30:49,711 --> 00:30:51,136 You know, he had an alibi. 878 00:30:51,185 --> 00:30:52,648 As horrible as the experience was, 879 00:30:52,697 --> 00:30:54,150 is there anything that you actually miss, 880 00:30:54,198 --> 00:30:55,722 - from that time? - I miss? 881 00:30:56,064 --> 00:30:57,306 God, no. 882 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,685 W... 883 00:30:59,198 --> 00:31:00,578 Well, Carlos. 884 00:31:00,963 --> 00:31:02,851 - Carlos? - Yeah. 885 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,036 Uh, Carlos the Jackal. 886 00:31:05,092 --> 00:31:06,481 He-he, was my cellmate. 887 00:31:06,661 --> 00:31:08,271 And, uh, man, pbht, 888 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:09,593 he has some stories. 889 00:31:09,642 --> 00:31:11,052 So you're saying the Jackal, 890 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:13,239 got you through your year and a half of incarceration? 891 00:31:13,288 --> 00:31:14,458 No. 892 00:31:14,513 --> 00:31:15,563 My mom did. 893 00:31:15,611 --> 00:31:16,982 Yeah, I don't... 894 00:31:17,122 --> 00:31:19,119 I don't think I would have got through it, without her. 895 00:31:19,221 --> 00:31:20,566 Um... 896 00:31:20,654 --> 00:31:24,349 She actually leased an apartment in Paris, 897 00:31:24,397 --> 00:31:25,829 until I was released. 898 00:31:25,877 --> 00:31:28,010 And, uh, she visited me every week. 899 00:31:28,059 --> 00:31:30,007 And I'll tell you what. If they would have let her, 900 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:31,415 she would have been over there every day. 901 00:31:31,463 --> 00:31:32,882 Of course I moved to Paris. 902 00:31:32,931 --> 00:31:34,185 I'm his mother. 903 00:31:34,233 --> 00:31:36,970 I would have served the prison time for him, if I could. 904 00:31:37,049 --> 00:31:39,064 - You're a close family. - We are. 905 00:31:39,135 --> 00:31:40,452 We've been tested. 906 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,193 Were you close with Patrick? 907 00:31:42,509 --> 00:31:43,636 Yes. 908 00:31:43,685 --> 00:31:44,843 I adored him. 909 00:31:44,892 --> 00:31:46,284 He was a wonderful boy. 910 00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:47,383 According to your friends, 911 00:31:47,432 --> 00:31:48,793 you thought Patrick was a troublemaker, 912 00:31:48,841 --> 00:31:49,899 and a bad influence on Aaron. 913 00:31:49,948 --> 00:31:52,072 Anyone who said that, was lying. 914 00:31:52,197 --> 00:31:53,370 Yvonne... 915 00:31:53,418 --> 00:31:55,860 Were you in Paris, the day Patrick was murdered? 916 00:31:56,646 --> 00:31:59,132 Of course not. I was here in LA. 917 00:31:59,706 --> 00:32:01,007 How do you explain this footage, 918 00:32:01,056 --> 00:32:02,994 taken the day of Patrick's murder? 919 00:32:10,922 --> 00:32:12,410 Oh, hell, no. 920 00:32:12,459 --> 00:32:13,666 This interview is over. 921 00:32:13,744 --> 00:32:15,400 - Yvonne. - No. No. 922 00:32:15,448 --> 00:32:17,572 We did not okay this question. 923 00:32:17,660 --> 00:32:19,186 Who do you think you are? 924 00:32:19,493 --> 00:32:21,712 - Fired! - I actually don't work for you. 925 00:32:21,825 --> 00:32:24,080 You need to kiss my ass. 926 00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:27,179 Did you know that your mother was in Paris, 927 00:32:27,227 --> 00:32:28,806 the day that Patrick was killed? 928 00:32:29,027 --> 00:32:30,368 What? 929 00:32:30,556 --> 00:32:31,795 No, she was... 930 00:32:31,953 --> 00:32:33,166 She was home in LA. 931 00:32:33,301 --> 00:32:34,654 Mm, we have footage of her, 932 00:32:34,702 --> 00:32:35,994 shopping on the Champs-Elysées, 933 00:32:36,042 --> 00:32:38,003 - the night of the murder. - Okay, well, that... 934 00:32:38,051 --> 00:32:39,337 That's impossible. 935 00:32:39,486 --> 00:32:40,926 Isn't this her? 936 00:32:50,508 --> 00:32:51,833 Okay. 937 00:32:53,312 --> 00:32:55,005 Officer Thorsen, come back. 938 00:32:55,242 --> 00:32:57,215 Come on. Let's finish this interview. 939 00:32:57,446 --> 00:32:59,290 Hey, there he is. 940 00:32:59,449 --> 00:33:00,809 - You lied to me. - Jimmy, get down. 941 00:33:00,858 --> 00:33:02,144 You lied to everyone. 942 00:33:02,224 --> 00:33:04,224 I didn't want all my private business out there, 943 00:33:04,273 --> 00:33:05,334 for all the world to see. 944 00:33:05,383 --> 00:33:06,886 Mom, you are literally producing 945 00:33:06,934 --> 00:33:08,554 a reality show about our lives. 946 00:33:08,603 --> 00:33:09,929 That's different. 947 00:33:10,024 --> 00:33:11,469 I was on trial for murder, 948 00:33:11,517 --> 00:33:13,407 - fighting for my life. - Exactly. 949 00:33:13,475 --> 00:33:16,013 The fact that I was even in Paris, on that night... 950 00:33:16,062 --> 00:33:17,193 how does that help you? 951 00:33:17,242 --> 00:33:18,266 And what was your reaction, 952 00:33:18,314 --> 00:33:19,594 to the revelation that Aaron's mother 953 00:33:19,642 --> 00:33:21,045 was in Paris at the time of the murder? 954 00:33:21,094 --> 00:33:22,156 Like, bombshell. 955 00:33:22,205 --> 00:33:23,226 Game changer. I mean, 956 00:33:23,274 --> 00:33:25,252 none of this stuff came out at the time of the trial. 957 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:26,601 This is... 958 00:33:26,649 --> 00:33:28,603 It's so exciting, what it means for the case... 959 00:33:28,651 --> 00:33:30,547 Not for Aaron. His mom lied to him. 960 00:33:30,946 --> 00:33:32,297 Y-Yes, that... 961 00:33:32,345 --> 00:33:34,027 Well, that is true. 962 00:33:36,355 --> 00:33:37,656 Thanks for coming back in. 963 00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:39,188 We just need to clear something up, 964 00:33:39,236 --> 00:33:40,441 about the night Patrick was killed. 965 00:33:40,489 --> 00:33:41,531 Patrick? 966 00:33:41,579 --> 00:33:43,366 I thought this was about Morris's murder. 967 00:33:43,415 --> 00:33:44,887 Oh, it's about both. 968 00:33:45,099 --> 00:33:48,467 See, you felt Patrick was a bad influence on your son. 969 00:33:48,628 --> 00:33:50,883 So you flew Aaron to Paris, to separate them. 970 00:33:50,992 --> 00:33:53,086 Only Patrick, followed Aaron there, 971 00:33:53,241 --> 00:33:55,369 so, you took matters into your own hands. 972 00:33:55,472 --> 00:33:56,753 You flew to Paris, 973 00:33:56,811 --> 00:33:57,863 you killed Patrick. 974 00:33:57,912 --> 00:33:59,779 But somehow, Morris found out, 975 00:33:59,937 --> 00:34:02,112 so, to keep your deadly secret, 976 00:34:02,337 --> 00:34:03,919 you killed him too. 977 00:34:05,253 --> 00:34:08,664 Yeah, that's a fun theory... 978 00:34:08,866 --> 00:34:11,194 A good story, but you're wrong. 979 00:34:11,346 --> 00:34:13,039 Then explain why you went to Paris, 980 00:34:13,087 --> 00:34:14,852 and, why you kept it a secret. 981 00:34:14,928 --> 00:34:18,328 Because, I was with Jean-Pierre Darby. 982 00:34:18,377 --> 00:34:19,741 - Who? - The footballer? 983 00:34:19,789 --> 00:34:21,275 Yes, we met a month before, 984 00:34:21,323 --> 00:34:22,988 at a fashion show in Milan. 985 00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:24,144 I'm... 986 00:34:24,192 --> 00:34:25,473 I'm sorry, you went to Paris, 987 00:34:25,521 --> 00:34:27,088 for an international bootie call? 988 00:34:27,137 --> 00:34:28,190 Yes. 989 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,868 And we were in bed all night. 990 00:34:29,917 --> 00:34:31,101 Ask him. 991 00:34:31,254 --> 00:34:33,160 Hell, ask the neighbors. 992 00:34:33,526 --> 00:34:34,855 They were determined, 993 00:34:34,904 --> 00:34:35,970 to convict you. 994 00:34:36,019 --> 00:34:37,803 Had it come out, that I was in town, 995 00:34:37,851 --> 00:34:39,370 they would've used it against you, 996 00:34:39,418 --> 00:34:42,155 said that we were conspiring, to kill Patrick. 997 00:34:42,322 --> 00:34:44,168 Coming clean would've only hurt your case, 998 00:34:44,216 --> 00:34:45,415 made it worse. 999 00:34:45,464 --> 00:34:47,629 Yeah, you know what? I forgot how good you are at that. 1000 00:34:47,707 --> 00:34:48,770 At what? 1001 00:34:48,819 --> 00:34:50,272 At justifying yourself. 1002 00:34:50,659 --> 00:34:52,168 You lied in a murder trial, 1003 00:34:52,216 --> 00:34:53,697 you cheated on your husband, 1004 00:34:53,746 --> 00:34:55,255 and now you're the hero, right? 1005 00:34:55,869 --> 00:34:57,214 Yeah. Sure, Mom. 1006 00:34:57,293 --> 00:34:58,730 We'll go with that. 1007 00:35:03,746 --> 00:35:05,626 You accused Aaron's mother of the murder. 1008 00:35:05,674 --> 00:35:06,989 With almost no evidence to back it up. 1009 00:35:07,228 --> 00:35:08,442 I, I did. 1010 00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:10,399 And, uh... 1011 00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:11,750 In my defense, 1012 00:35:11,798 --> 00:35:13,883 I'd been scrubbing reality show footage, 1013 00:35:13,931 --> 00:35:15,871 for over 200 hours at that point. 1014 00:35:15,974 --> 00:35:17,364 So who broke the case? 1015 00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:18,882 Oh, that was Detective Lopez. 1016 00:35:18,980 --> 00:35:20,933 My wife is a badass. 1017 00:35:20,981 --> 00:35:22,500 We knew the murders were connected. 1018 00:35:22,548 --> 00:35:24,197 And we knew that Patrick's murder in Paris 1019 00:35:24,245 --> 00:35:26,324 was never properly investigated, so... 1020 00:35:26,372 --> 00:35:27,984 I dug back into that case. 1021 00:35:28,032 --> 00:35:30,116 Right now I'm just trying to build a timeline, 1022 00:35:30,164 --> 00:35:32,727 getting to know more about Patrick's life. 1023 00:35:32,775 --> 00:35:34,808 What did the four of you do that last month? 1024 00:35:34,952 --> 00:35:36,209 No detail is too small. 1025 00:35:36,475 --> 00:35:38,118 Um... 1026 00:35:38,346 --> 00:35:40,090 Let's ask my brain. 1027 00:35:41,188 --> 00:35:43,365 I can tell you one thing that we definitely didn't do. 1028 00:35:43,414 --> 00:35:44,565 Go to class. 1029 00:35:44,613 --> 00:35:45,909 I mean, Aaron's parents let him borrow 1030 00:35:45,957 --> 00:35:47,555 their private jet anytime he wanted, 1031 00:35:47,603 --> 00:35:49,000 so we went all around Europe. 1032 00:35:49,055 --> 00:35:51,206 I mean, Italy. 1033 00:35:51,534 --> 00:35:52,612 Greece. 1034 00:35:52,661 --> 00:35:54,377 French Riviera. 1035 00:35:54,535 --> 00:35:56,399 - Can I see? - Yeah. 1036 00:35:56,597 --> 00:35:58,018 I thought, screw school, 1037 00:35:58,067 --> 00:35:59,126 when am I ever gonna get to visit 1038 00:35:59,175 --> 00:36:00,922 planet rich again, right? So... 1039 00:36:00,970 --> 00:36:02,848 Santorini for the weekend? 1040 00:36:03,110 --> 00:36:04,237 Yes, please. 1041 00:36:04,285 --> 00:36:05,978 These photos of you guys on the tarmac, 1042 00:36:06,026 --> 00:36:07,893 you always have so much luggage. 1043 00:36:07,942 --> 00:36:08,953 I know. 1044 00:36:09,002 --> 00:36:11,666 Rowan always acted like it was the Oregon Trail. 1045 00:36:11,784 --> 00:36:13,290 Why? Every time I've seen him, 1046 00:36:13,338 --> 00:36:15,161 he was wearing a golf tee and jeans. 1047 00:36:15,209 --> 00:36:16,597 Not exactly a clotheshorse. 1048 00:36:16,832 --> 00:36:18,430 Oh, uh... 1049 00:36:19,126 --> 00:36:20,297 True. 1050 00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:21,561 I wonder what was in there. 1051 00:36:21,814 --> 00:36:23,942 Did you ever see Rowan with drugs back then? 1052 00:36:24,131 --> 00:36:25,217 I mean... 1053 00:36:25,265 --> 00:36:26,487 Yeah, he was always kind of 1054 00:36:26,535 --> 00:36:27,626 "the life of the party," 1055 00:36:27,675 --> 00:36:29,183 if you know what I mean. Why? 1056 00:36:29,231 --> 00:36:30,251 Before Paris, 1057 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:32,613 Rowan's family in Iowa, was in financial trouble. 1058 00:36:32,661 --> 00:36:33,910 He almost dropped out of school. 1059 00:36:33,959 --> 00:36:36,435 Now, he lives in Brentwood, and drives a Porsche. 1060 00:36:36,578 --> 00:36:38,018 I guess? 1061 00:36:38,406 --> 00:36:39,706 I... 1062 00:36:39,754 --> 00:36:42,195 I see you're very excited, and I love that, I... 1063 00:36:42,408 --> 00:36:43,493 I'm not really following. 1064 00:36:43,542 --> 00:36:44,592 I... 1065 00:36:45,753 --> 00:36:47,063 Hey, Nolan. 1066 00:36:47,196 --> 00:36:48,453 Where's Rowan? 1067 00:36:48,557 --> 00:36:50,079 Uh, he just left. 1068 00:36:50,128 --> 00:36:52,047 - Why? I thought you were done with him? - I was... 1069 00:36:52,095 --> 00:36:54,293 Until I realized, he's the one who killed Patrick. 1070 00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,152 Alright. Here we go. 1071 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,076 - Here we go. - Nice, nice. 1072 00:37:00,124 --> 00:37:01,251 Bro, it's been crazy. 1073 00:37:01,299 --> 00:37:02,659 I've added like half a million followers 1074 00:37:02,707 --> 00:37:03,949 from all the publicity. 1075 00:37:03,998 --> 00:37:05,167 What? You think, uh... 1076 00:37:05,215 --> 00:37:06,583 You think, uh, Aaron did it? 1077 00:37:06,695 --> 00:37:07,884 Pbht. Of course he did. 1078 00:37:07,933 --> 00:37:09,408 The guy's a total psycho. 1079 00:37:09,457 --> 00:37:10,834 Okay, watch this... 1080 00:37:14,834 --> 00:37:16,319 Aw. Fudge. 1081 00:37:16,378 --> 00:37:17,459 Hold on, I'm gonna do it again... 1082 00:37:17,507 --> 00:37:18,880 Okay, okay. 1083 00:37:19,357 --> 00:37:21,179 - Rowan. - What the hell? 1084 00:37:21,465 --> 00:37:22,924 We got a warrant for your arrest. 1085 00:37:22,973 --> 00:37:24,024 What? 1086 00:37:24,073 --> 00:37:25,553 For what? 1087 00:37:25,714 --> 00:37:27,212 For the murders of Patrick Hayes, 1088 00:37:27,267 --> 00:37:28,432 and Morris Mackey. 1089 00:37:28,481 --> 00:37:30,758 - Oh, snap. - That's crazy. 1090 00:37:30,806 --> 00:37:32,731 And wrong. I didn't... 1091 00:37:32,934 --> 00:37:34,066 Why would you even think that? 1092 00:37:34,114 --> 00:37:35,834 Because Patrick found out you were smuggling drugs 1093 00:37:35,882 --> 00:37:38,157 in Aaron's private jet, and threatened to tell the police. 1094 00:37:38,293 --> 00:37:40,420 Somehow Morris found out that you killed Patrick 1095 00:37:40,468 --> 00:37:41,481 to protect your secret, 1096 00:37:41,529 --> 00:37:42,727 so you killed him too. 1097 00:37:42,775 --> 00:37:43,989 - Come on. - That's, I mean. 1098 00:37:44,037 --> 00:37:45,077 That's so-so wrong... 1099 00:37:45,125 --> 00:37:46,600 - Hey! Rowan! - Rowan! 1100 00:37:48,563 --> 00:37:49,821 - Okay. - Bro, wait. 1101 00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:55,612 - Oh. - Oh, snap. 1102 00:37:58,919 --> 00:38:00,153 You okay? 1103 00:38:00,488 --> 00:38:02,007 Alright, you're fine. 1104 00:38:02,102 --> 00:38:03,362 Stand up. 1105 00:38:03,578 --> 00:38:05,141 - Put it down. - You're under arrest. 1106 00:38:05,189 --> 00:38:07,926 Rowan always had these crazy plans. 1107 00:38:07,974 --> 00:38:09,057 You know... 1108 00:38:09,106 --> 00:38:10,563 "Let's go to Morocco," or, 1109 00:38:10,611 --> 00:38:14,163 "Dude, I heard about this sick party in Ibiza...", and... 1110 00:38:14,704 --> 00:38:15,754 I-I... 1111 00:38:15,802 --> 00:38:17,448 I never thought about it, 1112 00:38:17,521 --> 00:38:18,696 but, he was the one, 1113 00:38:18,744 --> 00:38:21,260 who decided where we were flying to, always. 1114 00:38:21,379 --> 00:38:22,778 And, you know, now, 1115 00:38:22,826 --> 00:38:25,268 looking back at it, with "cop eyes," I mean... 1116 00:38:25,724 --> 00:38:27,475 It is so obvious... 1117 00:38:27,701 --> 00:38:29,878 That Rowan was up to something. 1118 00:38:30,431 --> 00:38:32,193 I just could never see it. 1119 00:38:33,608 --> 00:38:34,757 I mean, 1120 00:38:34,805 --> 00:38:36,336 Patrick did, though. 1121 00:38:37,692 --> 00:38:39,251 But, like, why, why... 1122 00:38:39,299 --> 00:38:40,872 Why didn't he tell me, you know? 1123 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,247 We talked about everything... 1124 00:38:42,296 --> 00:38:43,337 You know, why wouldn't he... 1125 00:38:43,386 --> 00:38:44,866 Why wouldn't he tell me about this? 1126 00:38:46,882 --> 00:38:48,497 You know, if he had... 1127 00:38:51,622 --> 00:38:52,971 Everything... 1128 00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:54,712 Everything would've been so different. 1129 00:39:02,898 --> 00:39:04,278 Aaron. 1130 00:39:09,733 --> 00:39:11,176 Is it true? 1131 00:39:11,603 --> 00:39:12,991 Yes, sir. 1132 00:39:14,171 --> 00:39:17,032 Rowan Clauson confessed to murdering Patrick. 1133 00:39:20,220 --> 00:39:21,924 I'm so sorry I didn't believe you. 1134 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,028 Can you ever forgive me? 1135 00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:30,123 Of course. 1136 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,134 After all this time, 1137 00:39:36,182 --> 00:39:38,190 the case of who killed Patrick Hayes, 1138 00:39:38,238 --> 00:39:39,844 was finally solved. 1139 00:39:39,966 --> 00:39:41,889 But the question that lingers is... 1140 00:39:41,937 --> 00:39:45,110 Is whether the emotional wounds will heal... 1141 00:39:46,290 --> 00:39:48,129 Feels gross, right? 1142 00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:50,892 Yeah. 1143 00:39:53,313 --> 00:39:54,728 Two people were dead. 1144 00:39:55,956 --> 00:39:58,501 Even after you catch the guy, it's still just... 1145 00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:59,758 Awful. 1146 00:39:59,806 --> 00:40:01,790 I'm just glad 1147 00:40:01,838 --> 00:40:03,259 the truth finally came out. 1148 00:40:03,307 --> 00:40:06,845 Aaron's innocence, is now proven without a doubt. 1149 00:40:07,441 --> 00:40:10,048 He deserves to move on with the rest of his life. 1150 00:40:10,202 --> 00:40:12,433 And we'll be here to help him do that. 1151 00:40:12,707 --> 00:40:14,183 And now that it's over, 1152 00:40:14,231 --> 00:40:15,852 what's your view of Aaron Thorsen? 1153 00:40:15,938 --> 00:40:17,160 Ah. 1154 00:40:17,209 --> 00:40:18,516 I will admit, 1155 00:40:18,564 --> 00:40:21,394 it took a minute, for Aaron to win me over, but... 1156 00:40:21,727 --> 00:40:23,454 Once he did, I knew he'd be a good cop. 1157 00:40:23,617 --> 00:40:25,672 Alright, I'm done. 1158 00:40:25,804 --> 00:40:27,099 Uh, wait. 1159 00:40:27,148 --> 00:40:28,852 This is not gonna air, 1160 00:40:29,035 --> 00:40:30,708 before his training is done, right? 1161 00:40:30,757 --> 00:40:31,765 'Cause I gotta... 1162 00:40:31,813 --> 00:40:33,087 I gotta keep him hungry. 1163 00:40:33,165 --> 00:40:35,947 I never once stopped believing in my boy. 1164 00:40:36,383 --> 00:40:38,598 Has he forgiven you, for the lie? 1165 00:40:38,903 --> 00:40:40,383 He will. 1166 00:40:40,431 --> 00:40:42,650 There's nothing our family can't get through. 1167 00:40:42,911 --> 00:40:44,300 It looks like Aaron will finally be able 1168 00:40:44,348 --> 00:40:45,692 to put all this behind him. 1169 00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:47,999 That's, that's not really how it works. 1170 00:40:48,129 --> 00:40:50,136 I mean, as someone who has, 1171 00:40:50,563 --> 00:40:52,688 had friends killed, you never really, 1172 00:40:52,736 --> 00:40:53,831 get closure. 1173 00:40:53,976 --> 00:40:55,893 All you can hope for is that, 1174 00:40:56,344 --> 00:40:57,647 the memories of them... 1175 00:40:57,696 --> 00:40:59,560 The, the, good times, 1176 00:40:59,608 --> 00:41:01,883 you had together, are what you see, 1177 00:41:01,931 --> 00:41:02,883 when you think of them. 1178 00:41:02,931 --> 00:41:04,040 How does it feel, 1179 00:41:04,088 --> 00:41:05,843 having the truth come out after all these years? 1180 00:41:07,873 --> 00:41:08,923 I-I... 1181 00:41:08,971 --> 00:41:09,993 I don't know. It's... 1182 00:41:10,041 --> 00:41:11,451 It's still sinking in. 1183 00:41:11,557 --> 00:41:13,293 This is obviously gonna make compelling episodes 1184 00:41:13,342 --> 00:41:14,405 of your reality show. 1185 00:41:14,454 --> 00:41:15,751 Oh, no. That... 1186 00:41:16,284 --> 00:41:17,746 "Every Rose Has A Thorsen" 1187 00:41:17,794 --> 00:41:19,904 is not moving forward, I mean, it was... 1188 00:41:19,952 --> 00:41:22,792 it was a mistake to do in the first place, yeah. 1189 00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:23,991 I mean, the only reason 1190 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:25,729 why I did agree to it, was to, 1191 00:41:25,777 --> 00:41:27,430 rehabilitate my image. 1192 00:41:27,604 --> 00:41:30,464 Um, but ironically, it... 1193 00:41:30,677 --> 00:41:32,389 Ended up doing something even better... 1194 00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:34,995 Which was, uncover the truth. 1195 00:41:35,312 --> 00:41:37,175 So what are you gonna do now? 1196 00:41:43,846 --> 00:41:44,896 Live. 1197 00:41:44,944 --> 00:41:47,345 For myself. 1198 00:41:47,394 --> 00:41:49,874 And for Patrick. 1199 00:41:49,923 --> 00:41:51,059 Mm-hmm. 1200 00:41:51,122 --> 00:41:53,587 synced & corrected by PopcornAWH www.addic7ed.com