1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:03,238 It was just an accident. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:04,878 Charge him. 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,718 - With? - Murder. 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:07,838 What about her? 5 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,638 We've got enough. 6 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,678 We'll get more. 7 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,398 He's cutting your throat. 8 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,638 It's not uncommon this kind of defence. 9 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,278 And this is not the first complaint made against Dhillon as it goes. 10 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,798 - It was the first. - Some girl called Lucinda Bright. 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,236 Case was heard by a panel 12 00:00:24,261 --> 00:00:26,878 chaired by a geezer called Stephen Vendler, 13 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,398 who also happens to be an old pal of the Harwoods. 14 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,518 You have to shift the focus onto Vendler's affair with Talitha. 15 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,040 The eagle has landed. 16 00:00:36,064 --> 00:00:37,599 _ 17 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,318 They're all calling me Lady Tease. 18 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,438 - _ - So she was sleeping with Vendler. 19 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,838 I told Talitha that Hannah had 20 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,998 complained to me about Dhillon Harwood. 21 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,178 Talitha is a liar. She'll say or do anything to get attention. 22 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:54,798 If you're going to be put on show to a bunch of pervy men, 23 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,358 you may as well get paid for it. 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,318 Your mother put you on show? 25 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,078 This is a moment where Dhillon has the scarf in his possession. 26 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,838 Stick it with the rest of the... 27 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,598 The police don't like you. 28 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,678 You need to tell me anything that can help your defence. 29 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,598 And we don't have to show exactly what happened in the room, 30 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,118 but they both went there, and a few hours later, Hannah is in the river. 31 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,478 Yes, and we're not going to let Dhillon's defence say it was only 32 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,638 Talitha, because who the hell doesn't notice that a girl 33 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,238 is being strangled to death? 34 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,578 - Get in! - Is it a match? 35 00:01:23,580 --> 00:01:27,880 The micro fragment from Talitha's bracelet matches the rucksack. 36 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,120 That's it. We got her. 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,198 Dhillon Harwood and Tabitha Campbell arrived at court this morning, 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,918 escorted by police from their respective prisons, 39 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:01,238 where they're currently held... 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,301 Considerable interest given the backgrounds 41 00:02:03,326 --> 00:02:04,988 of both defendants and protests... 42 00:02:05,013 --> 00:02:08,017 There have beenreports of traffic chaos in Bristol today 43 00:02:08,042 --> 00:02:10,758 as campaigners surrounded the Central Crown Court. 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,318 Delays are expected... 45 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,558 The much anticipated trial of Talitha Campbell and Dillon Harwood. 46 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,893 Both defendants entered not guilty pleas 47 00:02:18,918 --> 00:02:21,396 to the charge of murder earlier this year. 48 00:02:21,421 --> 00:02:23,838 Speculation about his daughter, the so-called 49 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,678 Lady Tease, the Crown Prosecution Service reminds all concerned... 50 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,278 An inquiry into leaks to the media has today been launched, 51 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,878 amidst claims that the ensuing social media speculation 52 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,238 may have compromised... 53 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,638 The murder of Hannah Ellis in June 54 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:39,438 this year has continued to draw interest. 55 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,638 Now, the jury will hear the evidence that led to two establishment 56 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:45,680 figures charged with murder. 57 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:01,500 _ 58 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:06,959 Dhillon Harwood and Talitha Campbell attended the university 59 00:03:06,984 --> 00:03:10,624 summer ball together on the night of Hannah's murder. 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,998 Later, you, the jury, will hear about an argument at the ball 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,878 about Hannah's threats to call the police 62 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,598 and her subsequent distress. 63 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,358 The threats before the ball and the argument at the ball give us 64 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,878 a vital clue as to the motives of the defendants, 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,960 which revolved around the complaints made against Dhillon Harwood. 66 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,478 We know that Dhillon Harwood and Talitha Campbell left the ball 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,638 some time after Hannah had finished her shift. 68 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,478 Dhillon Harwood does not deny that they formed the intent 69 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:57,558 to visit her and indeed did so, but claims her death was an accident 70 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,678 in which he played no part. 71 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:06,280 This can be rejected for the cynical falsehood it so plainly is. 72 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,088 We do not know what they really discussed 73 00:04:11,113 --> 00:04:13,738 on their fateful journey to the house 74 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:17,831 or when they formed the intent to assault and kill her. 75 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,438 We do know that they had consumed a lot of illegal drugs 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:31,078 and that not more than an hour after Talitha Campbell and Dhillon Harwood 77 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:37,118 entered her room, Hannah was strangled with the scarf worn 78 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,440 by Talitha Campbell to the ball that night. 79 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,840 And then her body was disposed of with cruel indifference. 80 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,918 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that is the case which the Crown 81 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,398 will prove to you. It can leave no doubt in your mind that both 82 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,358 Dhillon Harwood and Talitha Campbell are guilty of the cruel murder 83 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,000 of a young woman with everything to look forward to in life. 84 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,400 Thank you, Mr Reynolds. 85 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,958 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 86 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,600 - _ - you have now heard the opening speech for the prosecution. 87 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,684 Both defence teams have indicated that 88 00:05:38,709 --> 00:05:41,624 they also wish to make an opening speech. 89 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,496 Miss Hemmings is representing Talitha Campbell 90 00:05:46,521 --> 00:05:49,664 and Miss Barie is representing Dhillon Harwood. 91 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,440 Dhillon did not send threatening texts. 92 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,398 It was not his scarf that caused Hannah's death. 93 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,760 Dhillon Harwood accepts that he was there. 94 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,318 But blames Talitha for the actual death. 95 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,358 He is guilty of terrible judgment and of being unduly influenced. 96 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,318 He is not guilty of murder. 97 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,280 He and his defence will do everything 98 00:06:22,305 --> 00:06:26,264 to attack the character of my client. 99 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,686 But it's not Talitha's character 100 00:06:30,211 --> 00:06:31,844 that is on trial here. 101 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:37,558 The dysfunction and unequal friendship 102 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,358 fully explain why he colluded with her disastrous decisions 103 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,078 on that tragic night. 104 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,238 The only thing you have to ask yourself at the end 105 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,880 of this trial is this. 106 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,478 Do you have any doubt? 107 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,238 I am sure that after we have reviewed all of the evidence, 108 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:03,518 you will have a great deal of doubt as to the guilt of Talitha Campbell. 109 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,560 And if you do... 110 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,120 you must acquit her. 111 00:07:14,500 --> 00:07:20,500 *CREDITS* 112 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,878 Damian Campbell, the controversial property magnate at the end 113 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,038 of the first day of the trial of his daughter Talitha. 114 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,398 He's in court with her legal team. 115 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,958 Much of the first day has been taken up by legal arguments 116 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,958 and the opening statements for the prosecution 117 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,598 and both defendants. 118 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,638 Dhillon Harwood has already pleaded guilty to the lesser charge 119 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,318 of preventing a lawful burial and perverting the course of justice, 120 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,118 but he denies murder. 121 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,520 Meanwhile, Talitha Campbell denies all the charges against her. 122 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,158 What can I expect if I'm only 123 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,838 sentenced to the unlawful burial charge? 124 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,198 Maximum is still life, but it can be as low as a fine. 125 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,518 Average, five to eight years, so... 126 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,480 There's also perverting the course of justice, remember. 127 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,278 I deserve punishment for all of that. 128 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,638 That's not the important thing. 129 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,078 What's the important thing? 130 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,160 The truth, Mum. 131 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,896 I don't mind what I'm known for, 132 00:08:24,921 --> 00:08:26,678 being on the spectrum, 133 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,238 being an idiot, being Talitha's Chihuahua. 134 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,880 That's what they used to call me in school. But not a murderer. 135 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,440 OK, can we talk a little about Lucinda Bright? 136 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,158 Yeah. She's completely nuts. 137 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,478 Anybody will tell you. 138 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,120 God, I wish I'd never even heard her name. 139 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,240 It'll be OK, sweetheart. 140 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,880 Just try and stay calm and tell the truth. 141 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,720 That's all you can do. 142 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,158 Mrs Campbell wasn't in court. 143 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,518 She couldn't face it. It's for the best, really. 144 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,318 I don't think her presence would have been a big comfort to Tali. 145 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,318 Has it ever been? 146 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,598 Is this relevant to anything? 147 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,318 I don't know. Is it? 148 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,238 Well, I'm no lawyer, but my hunch would be that providing 149 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,038 an explanation of their new forensic evidence would be higher 150 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,171 on your to-do list than raking 151 00:09:35,196 --> 00:09:37,824 through my wife's parenting skills. 152 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,240 - Got it. - Good. 153 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,158 Oh, surf's up. Is this DI Cassidy in the morning? 154 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,280 I know, I'll be handling that. 155 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,358 - Well, I thought solicitors didn't speak... - Solicitor advocate. 156 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,858 I'll do some cross-examination of police 157 00:09:54,883 --> 00:09:57,478 witnesses, and I know Paula Cassidy well. 158 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,851 What about Talitha? 159 00:09:58,876 --> 00:10:00,890 That'll obviously be my silk, 160 00:10:00,915 --> 00:10:03,598 but nothing's decided on that anyway. 161 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,198 You're going to put her in the box, though. 162 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,238 It's still all under discussion. 163 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,518 There are some issues. 164 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,918 There's only one issue. 165 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,518 This is a show trial. 166 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,843 It won't be decided on the evidence, 167 00:10:17,868 --> 00:10:21,464 but on her and on us, and on this. 168 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,918 By the media, sure. But the jury decide. 169 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,518 Well, if 99% of humanity is anything to go by, 170 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,118 the jury will absolutely hate her. 171 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,360 I don't hate her. 172 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,718 - I know. - You need to push her on that rucksack fragment 173 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,518 they found on the bracelet. 174 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,478 Or she's in big trouble. 175 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,640 Talking to her in the morning. 176 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:56,000 _ 177 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,438 I bet they planted it. 178 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,198 I bet it was that Cassidy, that stupid, ugly, evil bitch. 179 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,000 Hey, stop. Stop it. 180 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,284 How else could a fragment from Hannah's 181 00:11:07,309 --> 00:11:09,904 rucksack have gotten snagged on your bracelet? 182 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,198 Oh, what, I can talk now? 183 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,078 I haven't got a clue. 184 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,918 Then try and wrack your brains because it might make a significant 185 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,520 difference to the rest of your life. 186 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,318 - I made you cross. - You often make me cross, Talitha. 187 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,598 And think hard because I am really not messing around here. 188 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,118 Everything depends on this. 189 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,808 This is the only piece of forensic evidence 190 00:11:41,833 --> 00:11:44,558 that directly ties you to the murder scene. 191 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:45,960 Wait. 192 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,200 She lent it to me once to go to Paris. 193 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,398 - Did she? - Course she fucking didn't! 194 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,358 Could you imagine me walking around the Marais with that piece 195 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,530 of high street nylon crap? 196 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,800 They are ready. 197 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,320 Thank you. 198 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,120 Let's go. 199 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,758 I do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that the evidence 200 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,598 I shall give shall be the truth, 201 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,320 the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 202 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:41,200 If I could ask the jury to please look at photograph 7C? 203 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,758 Could you describe the photo, Detective Inspector? 204 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,838 Yes, it's the fireplace at Dhillon Harwood's cottage. 205 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,238 - Is that where he burned the evidence? - Yes. 206 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,638 He was also burning some of his own clothes. 207 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,238 Does that appear strange to you? 208 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,438 That's not an appropriate question, Mr Reynolds. 209 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,438 DI Cassidy is here to give evidence, not opinion, 210 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,358 as you know perfectly well. 211 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:03,840 Apologies, My Lady. 212 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,718 Were the clothes very burned? 213 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:08,590 Yes. 214 00:13:08,615 --> 00:13:11,198 - All the clothes, including a scarf? - Yes. 215 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,278 And where else were fibres from that scarf found? 216 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,638 On Hannah's body and also a single 217 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,878 fibre found in Talitha's drawer at home? 218 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,158 Were the fibres all from the same scarf? 219 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,400 All the same scarf. 220 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,558 Do you have any doubt that Talitha Campbell's scarf 221 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:40,038 was the murder weapon? 222 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,438 None whatsoever. 223 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,278 And does the evidence show Talitha Campbell wearing the scarf 224 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,998 - throughout the entire ball? - Yes. 225 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,798 We scrutinised all the mobile and photographic footage, 226 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,558 and in every single piece of evidence, 227 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:00,000 Talitha is shown to be wearing the scarf. 228 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,799 In the CCTV footage of Miss Campbell 229 00:14:10,824 --> 00:14:13,038 walking home from the ball, 230 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,958 is she wearing the green scarf? 231 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,078 We... couldn't tell. 232 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:23,120 Let me rephrase that so you can give the jury a yes or no answer. 233 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,598 Does your last sighting of Miss Campbell on the night 234 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,400 of the ball show her wearing the scarf used to kill Hannah Ellis? 235 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,838 No. 236 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,960 Who was the last person to have possession of the scarf? 237 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,398 Well, if you mean... 238 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,878 The CCTV didn't show... 239 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,640 I mean precisely what I said. 240 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,598 Who was the last person to have possession of the scarf used 241 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,198 to murder Hannah Ellis? 242 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,478 Dhillon Harwood at the cottage, obviously, but on the night 243 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,878 of the ball itself... 244 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,320 Thank you, DI Cassidy, you've already answered my question. 245 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,160 Who is Troy Manners? 246 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,038 An individual we eliminated from our inquiries. 247 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,318 Ah, yes. Yeah. 248 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,518 Your original line of inquiry was that Miss Campbell had hired him 249 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,558 to murder Hannah Ellis. 250 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,158 That was one line of inquiry. 251 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,318 A false one. 252 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,598 He provided an alibi. 253 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,158 Hannah Ellis' bank card was used almost immediately 254 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,638 after her disappearance. 255 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,758 - Is that correct? - Yes. 256 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,878 - In the West Midlands area? - Yes. 257 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,478 Does Miss Campbell have any connection to the West Midlands, 258 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,278 to the best of your knowledge? 259 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,880 No, not to the best of my knowledge. 260 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,998 - Does Troy Manners have connections to the West Midlands? - Yes. 261 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,998 - Was Troy Manners at the ball at any time? - Yes. 262 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,118 Is it the case that Hannah Ellis' bank card was discovered at the home 263 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,960 of someone who does have connections to Troy Manners? 264 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,238 Yes. 265 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,038 But you ruled him out. 266 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,638 Who? 267 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,878 - Troy Manners. - Yes. 268 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,960 Are you familiar with the term confirmation bias, DI Cassidy? 269 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,586 I didn't expect her to motor on Troy. 270 00:16:33,611 --> 00:16:36,600 Threw down a sudden googly when you weren't expecting it. 271 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,078 Yeah. Well, it made the jury frown, though. 272 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,198 Who is Troy Manners? Why isn't he here? 273 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,958 Are they just trying to cover something up? 274 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,118 - Talitha could have given him the card. - And so could Dhillon. 275 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,438 And so could any number of the students, and that was the point. 276 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,518 But you didn't want to consider that 277 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,623 cos you'd made your mind up from the get go. 278 00:16:56,648 --> 00:16:58,278 Uh, wait a sec, Sooty. 279 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,118 Can I just check you haven't got a defence hand up your jacksie moving your mouth? 280 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,198 You should be more worried about the noise in the jury room 281 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,518 because they're going to be discussing Troy Manners right now. 282 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,880 - I guarantee it. - No. 283 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,958 It'll be fine. 284 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,158 I have been sent a note from the jury asking for more information 285 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,760 about Troy Manners, specifically asking to hear his evidence. 286 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,478 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I should remind you that only 287 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,280 the prosecution and defence decide who gives evidence. 288 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,840 And on that evidence alone, will you be asked to reach your verdicts. 289 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,040 We'll adjourn for lunch. 290 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,280 All rise. 291 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,700 _ 292 00:18:06,724 --> 00:18:08,424 _ 293 00:18:08,448 --> 00:18:10,000 _ 294 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,520 Brian. 295 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,838 The bracelet. 296 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,038 This again. 297 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,480 Green Man. 298 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,918 - What about it? - What can you tell me about it? 299 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,478 It's a music festival in Cornwall. 300 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,958 It's a music festival in Wales. 301 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,758 - Oh, yeah. - Who did you go with? 302 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,718 - Dhillon. - And...? 303 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,198 Man, I don't know. 304 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,838 There was a bunch of us, really. 305 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,638 It was absolutely shit. 306 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,718 I never wanted to go because I hate festivals. 307 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,868 You'll never guess what, though. 308 00:18:57,893 --> 00:18:59,278 - What? - It was sunny. 309 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,638 I know, in Wales. 310 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,478 I do know because there's a photo of you in the paper 311 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,720 with Hannah at the festival. 312 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,078 Is there, really? How do I look? 313 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,838 Brian has found out who took the photo. 314 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,000 It's from the Facebook page of Amber Morton. 315 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,610 Never met her. 316 00:19:19,635 --> 00:19:23,478 Yes, you have. You've just got a sieve-shaped brain. 317 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,838 Oh, wait. Red hair, eyes. 318 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,598 Yes, yes, she does have red hair and eyes. 319 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,158 No, but they're those really close together eyes, and quite a big nose. 320 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,758 I quite like that look, to be fair. 321 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,040 In fact, I may have snogged her. 322 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,720 So, question one, did you all take rucksacks? 323 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,040 - Probably. - And question two... 324 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,000 did you wear the bracelet? 325 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,440 I don't know. 326 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:59,160 Great. 327 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:04,478 - Why don't you check the photo? - We have. It's not clear. 328 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,440 Get Brian to hunt down Amber. 329 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,760 I should change to a law degree when this is all over, I'm good at this. 330 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,360 If I'm found guilty, though, I'll kill myself. 331 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,398 I'm not being melodramatic, Cleo. 332 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,720 I definitely will. 333 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:26,800 OK. 334 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:36,760 OK. 335 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,320 Take a breath. 336 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,480 We have to nullify that bracelet. 337 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,118 So who are the big fish for us? 338 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,318 Well, there's forensics still to come, the bracelet. 339 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,678 That looks like a slam dunk, 340 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,718 - and then there's the whole Vendler thing. - Yeah. 341 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,758 And how many sleeps till Talitha? 342 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,958 Well, all the Vendler stuff comes with a big warning sign 343 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,398 marked admissibility. 344 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,678 Especially the widow. 345 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,478 Hopefully, it'll just be the cherry on top of the forensics cake. 346 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,558 I thought I might go an see Mrs Vendler. 347 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,521 Just to warn her that the judge 348 00:21:21,546 --> 00:21:23,798 might bar her evidence as hearsay. 349 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,878 - Good idea. - No coaching, obviously. 350 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:32,598 Oh, don't worry, I understand James is really good with widows. 351 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,518 Behave! 352 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,648 I'm only teasing. 353 00:21:35,673 --> 00:21:38,158 And you'd be making that joke if I was a woman, right? 354 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,318 Ooh, men have feelings, too. 355 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,998 Let me know how it goes, will you? 356 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,358 No, I won't actually, Paula, 357 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:46,278 because you've actually hurt my feelings. 358 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,838 - Aw! - So I'm going to be mansplaining this to Jenny later. 359 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,800 Oh, right. Well, see you. Good luck. 360 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:58,758 - So you're an academic too? - Sort of. 361 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,478 I teach part time on a creative writing course, and I also 362 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,597 have a writer's grant. 363 00:22:03,622 --> 00:22:05,678 - Really? What do you write? - I'm a poet. 364 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,478 - Great. - Why? 365 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,438 - Sorry? - Why is it great? 366 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,398 Well, just, it sounds better than Crown prosecutor, I guess. 367 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,078 Do you like poetry, Mr Thornley? 368 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,438 Jeez, I don't really read a lot any more, to be honest. 369 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,878 Most people don't. 370 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,558 That's why I also have to teach. 371 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,198 There was a poem I liked when I was a kid, though. I think 372 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,078 it's called Flannen Isle. 373 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,478 While three men dwell on Flannan Isle... 374 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,038 That's it. 375 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,800 The over-toppled chair. Spooky. 376 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,878 We still don't know if the judge will admit your evidence. 377 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,958 Both defences will argue that it's hearsay 378 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,760 and shouldn't be heard by the jury. 379 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,200 She sounds like quite a girl, this Talitha Campbell. 380 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,918 Looks ghastly in the newspapers. 381 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,318 In fairness, they are emphasising the particular side to her. 382 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,118 I suppose so. 383 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:08,638 - Lady Tease. - Yeah. 384 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,160 Poor little rich girl. Is she beautiful? 385 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,080 - I guess. I mean, she wouldn't be my type, essentially. - Why not? 386 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,080 - I'm not sure. - What is your type? 387 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,640 I'm not sure about that, either. 388 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,520 Are you a good husband? 389 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,118 I think you should ask my wife. 390 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:34,440 Could you resist her? 391 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:36,838 Yes. 392 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,518 Stephen said to me once there is no man who does not 393 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,472 immediately evaluate a woman in terms of 394 00:23:41,497 --> 00:23:43,544 whether he would like to fuck her or not. 395 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,438 Maybe that's true, but... normal life 396 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,520 like happiness, society... 397 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,638 luckily, they're not really 398 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,520 dependent on people's thoughts, so... 399 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,360 it's not a very interesting or useful thing to say, really. 400 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,160 That's a good answer. 401 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:11,298 Stephen didn't kill himself because I found out 402 00:24:11,323 --> 00:24:13,464 he'd slept with another student. 403 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,678 He killed himself because he had a conscience 404 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,318 and he was convinced he had caused those two narcissistic monsters 405 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,120 to murder that poor girl. 406 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,899 - _ - Justice for Hannah! 407 00:24:33,924 --> 00:24:37,358 Justice for Hannah! Justice for Hannah! 408 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:41,798 So there are many small diamonds and emeralds 409 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,984 arranged in 12 larger clusters of stones 410 00:24:45,009 --> 00:24:47,158 and 11 links between them. 411 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,200 OK. 412 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,358 With My Lady's permission? 413 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,400 Go ahead. 414 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,398 So you can see, it is a perfectly normal rucksack. 415 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,598 This is a replica of the one that Hannah kept in her cupboard, 416 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,560 along with the sleeping bag used to dispose of her body in the river. 417 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,030 Dr English. 418 00:25:12,055 --> 00:25:16,318 We found a nylon fibre matching the constituent fibres 419 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,878 of the rucksack in colour and composition 420 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,598 caught in the bracelet Talitha Campbell was wearing to the ball. 421 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,958 How did it get there? 422 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,078 So we think when shouldering the rucksack, 423 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,678 this part snagged in one of the casings holding the diamonds, 424 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,438 which have tiny claws. 425 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,878 So let me be very clear. 426 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,758 A fragment from the rucksack used to dispose of the body 427 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,438 was found on a bracelet worn by Talitha Campbell? 428 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,918 Yes. 429 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,598 And what is your conclusion based on that? 430 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,198 Well, given that the rucksack was used to weight the body, 431 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,518 it strongly supports the idea that Talitha Campbell was involved 432 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,078 in the disposing of the body of the deceased. 433 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,800 No more questions. 434 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,998 The rucksack used to weight the body, 435 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,478 that was Hannah Ellis' rucksack, am I correct? 436 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,118 - Yes. - A rucksack she would have used on other occasions. 437 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,158 I have no knowledge of that. 438 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,158 The jury will hear she was given the rucksack along with the 439 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,478 sleeping bag by her mother on her 19th birthday. 440 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,278 I'll take your word for it. 441 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,958 Do you know how long a micro fragment could remain trapped 442 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,678 like that in a bracelet? 443 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,118 I don't have an estimate for that. 444 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,798 Wouldn't have come loose any time soon? 445 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,798 I don't really understand your question. 446 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:55,118 If Talitha Campbell had handled the rucksack at any point in the year 447 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,398 that Hannah Ellis had owned it, 448 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,078 could the nylon fragment have become snagged then? 449 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,238 It grows increasingly unlikely that 450 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,638 it would stay there over time, of course. 451 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,038 Well, would it amaze you, Dr English? 452 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,026 Would it be like seeing rain falling upwards 453 00:27:12,351 --> 00:27:14,646 or Rovers winning at home? 454 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,438 Not everybody understands a football joke, Miss Hemmings, but I assume 455 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,318 you want us to consider this event is at the 456 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,758 outer limits of plausibility? 457 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,038 I do, My Lady, and please excuse the levity. 458 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,438 This is a most serious matter. 459 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,838 As I say, I don't like to speculate. 460 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,518 I'm not asking you to speculate. 461 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,998 Could the nylon fragment have remained trapped 462 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,680 for as long as a year? 463 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,800 Yes, it is possible. 464 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,478 They're obviously going to suggest that Talitha plus bracelet plus 465 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,489 rucksack came together on a previous date. 466 00:27:59,514 --> 00:28:01,518 - When? - No idea, but I'm sure 467 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,358 we'll find out when they bring in their forensics and-or Talitha. 468 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:07,998 Maybe they're bluffing and haven't got anything. 469 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,198 Do you think Talitha will give evidence? 470 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,360 I imagine that's a question giving them a few sleepless nights. 471 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,278 My guess, they're still working on the bracelet. 472 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,638 Either way, they've got a massive accumulation problem. 473 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,678 You can get away with one possible but unlikely. 474 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,358 I still think with a scarf as well, we're ahead. 475 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,398 What's happening with Talitha's porn history and the femdom stuff? 476 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,794 Judge is giving her decision Monday morning. 477 00:28:37,819 --> 00:28:39,318 Can't see her allowing it. 478 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,198 We don't need it. 479 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,198 Lydia Vendler is the game changer. 480 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,078 Agreed. 481 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,718 She is compelling. 482 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,318 But both defences will be preying it's ruled as hearsay, 483 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,038 given the real witness took a header off the towel 484 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,920 - and was clearly not in his right mind. - Hm. 485 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,718 - What does that mean? - Incoming coming metaphor. 486 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,278 Don't bet the ranch on it. 487 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,198 Which defence team will be most scared of Lydia Vendler, 488 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,720 - do you reckon? - Talitha's. 489 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:10,880 Good. 490 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,040 That lot think they can buy their way out of anything. 491 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,838 - So what happens next on the rucksack? - We fired our gun 492 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,878 and there are no more bullets left in the chamber. 493 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,158 Amber Mortman is proving a bit elusive, 494 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,518 disabled her social media and gone to ground. 495 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,158 Well, find her. It's what I pay you for. 496 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,518 Don't talk to me like that. 497 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,718 But, yeah, we're on it. 498 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,398 Which means they will only have our word for the idea 499 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,678 that Talitha wore the bracelet to the festival. 500 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,718 Did she say she did? 501 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,198 It's Talitha. 502 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,358 OK. 503 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,838 The helicopter's here. 504 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,198 - I heard. - Going anywhere nice? 505 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,680 Scotland. 506 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,758 - Oh. - Not your thing, I imagine, Cleo. 507 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,838 - Not really. - You disapprove. 508 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,798 - A bit, yes. - Thought you might? 509 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,878 - Well, largely on aesthetic grounds. - Oh, aesthetic grounds. 510 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,398 That's right. 511 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,278 Care to elaborate. I'm intrigued. 512 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,478 OK. 513 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,038 I don't care for the whole look, 514 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,478 from the Balmoral clothes to the Land Rovers. 515 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,158 - It's just not me. - No. 516 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,038 And while I'm not especially right-on, 517 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,398 there is something deeply stupid to me 518 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,478 about blasting delicate creatures out of the sky 519 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,755 just because you have the means to do so. 520 00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:33,838 Deeply stupid. 521 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,878 - Do you hear what your lawyer thinks about us, darling? - I did. 522 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,958 But she's quite right. 523 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,198 It is stupidly satisfying to blast something smaller than oneself 524 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,440 into a mass of blood and feathers. 525 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,640 Have a nice weekend, everyone, and we'll reconvene Sunday evening. 526 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,040 Spam! 527 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,040 Hey, look! 528 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,080 I can't do it. 529 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,718 I can't get up in that dock, not with them looking at me. 530 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,598 Andrea, they're going to be in the docks, 531 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,478 you're going to be in the witness stand. 532 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,518 I won't be able to breathe. 533 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,478 Or I'll scream 534 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,118 or I'll be sick or worse. 535 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,998 The questions will be very quick and easy. 536 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,400 Did you see Vendler? What did he say? 537 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,680 It's not about the questions. 538 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,558 I'm scared. 539 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,238 I'm scared that I'll... 540 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,518 I'll let her down. 541 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,200 I get it, Andrea. I understand. 542 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,118 For whatever it's worth, 543 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600 I don't think you've ever let her down. 544 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,880 What do you think Hannah would say? 545 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,720 She's not here, is she? 546 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,000 She can't say anything. 547 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,918 Spam! 548 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,638 Oh, she always does this. Spam! 549 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,680 Spam! 550 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,558 Come on. 551 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,558 Right, one, two three. 552 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,080 Ready. Go. 553 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,078 Thank you very much. 554 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,398 Oh, sweet baby James! 555 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,118 All right? 556 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,658 I bet you didn't know that was your nickname. 557 00:34:21,660 --> 00:34:23,198 Yes, I did, actually. 558 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,358 Oh, you going to be going round to see and seeing Andrea? 559 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,518 Andy, knock it off. 560 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,518 - What? Your special grief counsellor. - Andy, I said, knock it off. 561 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,638 Come on, Andy, that's not really on, mate. That's not really on, mate. 562 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,878 I'm joking! Let me get you a drink, come on. 563 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,878 I'm just going to say happy birthday to Paula. 564 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,318 Have you heard the latest odds on a double conviction? 565 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,958 What was it? Five to 11? You fancy a bit of that? 566 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,278 Well, I'm flattered you're so confident, but not on my salary. 567 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,998 I'd put all that ball footage back in the schedule. 568 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,478 Might improve it for him. Get him involved a bit. 569 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,558 Yeah, very funny. 570 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,838 What ball footage is that, then? 571 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,878 Oh, what is it? It's evens on just Talitha, isn't it? 572 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,478 Yeah, but who gives a fuck, eh? 573 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,040 - I'll just go say hi to Paula. - Yeah. 574 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,078 See you in a bit. 575 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,518 - James! - How are you doing? 576 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,278 - Happy birthday. - Thanks. 577 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,998 - You absolute plonker. - Oh, we didn't know... 578 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,440 Of course he did. 579 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,398 Two beers. 580 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,160 Do you thank he did? 581 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,000 _ 582 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,160 The session is now resuming in Court Two. Courtroom Two. 583 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,158 First, 584 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,758 the pornographic history. 585 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,318 I'm certainly not going to allow 586 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,838 witnesses discussing Talitha's sexual behaviour in pornography 587 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,638 to be taken as evidence of her own preferences. 588 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,118 From a question of Lydia Vendler, 589 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,118 I have given this very careful thought 590 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,998 and I am going to allow her evidence. 591 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,158 - My Lady, if I might... - Conserve your energy, Miss Hemmings, 592 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,598 that is my decision having carefully considered the pros and cons, 593 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,878 but I should warn the prosecution 594 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,758 I will be watching very carefully for anything I think 595 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,918 is leading the witness. 596 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,038 Now, I understand the first witness today is... 597 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,078 Lucinda Imogen Bright. 598 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,678 Thank you, Miss Bright. 599 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,198 Mr Reynolds? 600 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,758 Miss Bright, I'd like to start just by taking you through the reasons 601 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,158 behind your complaint to the college authorities about Dhillon Harwood. 602 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,118 It was very hard to describe. 603 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,240 Of course. 604 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,118 Did he ever take any photos and videos of you without consent? 605 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,680 Yes. 606 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,238 And did he ever turn up at inappropriate times 607 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,838 - when you were not expecting him? - Yes. 608 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,238 And he would leave me with presents, like those French China clowns. 609 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,758 - You mean Pierrot? - Yeah, and it weirded me out. 610 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,238 Sometimes he said that he hated possessions and that he wanted 611 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,040 to, like, leave me all of his. 612 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:03,320 Was there any... sexually inappropriate behaviour? 613 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,080 No. 614 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,358 Yes. 615 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,878 But that wasn't part of my complaint. 616 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,358 My Lady... 617 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,598 Stop there, please, Mr Reynolds. 618 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,238 Members of the jury, 619 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,598 a matter of law has arisen and we will now ask you 620 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,800 to return to your room. 621 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,720 I didn't. It wasn't like that at all. 622 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,238 He started having sex with her while she was still sleeping. 623 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,518 I didn't know that, though. 624 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:39,838 We'd already had sex. 625 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,798 - Look, she's a nutter, everybody know that... - She's a woman! 626 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,158 Any woman can be sexually assaulted, including the nutters! 627 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,678 I'd just assumed because we were already in bed together 628 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,118 - and she was letting me... - And the lie about the condom? 629 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,638 I misunderstood. 630 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,998 Misunderstood? 631 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,038 How the hell do you misunderstand "Are you wearing a condom?" 632 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,878 OK, let's not get too emotional. 633 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,758 The judge has ruled it inadmissible as it didn't form part 634 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,638 of the complaint at the time. 635 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,638 The jury will be suspicious, though. 636 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,598 Oh, she's a complete liar. 637 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,478 - I'm going to have to go hard at her. - Really? 638 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,958 She's bad for Dhillon. 639 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,278 Sit it out if you're faint-hearted, Meera, 640 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,120 but we have no choice here. 641 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,558 Miss Bright, I think it's correct to say that you've had your fair 642 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,878 share of internet conflicts. 643 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,078 Please be more specific with your question, Miss Baria. 644 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,438 How are we supposed to evaluate a "fair share" in this day and age? 645 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,718 You're quite right, My Lady. That was too vague. 646 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,718 You once, for example, gave the personal details 647 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,238 of an adversary online in a practice known as 'doxing'. 648 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:54,718 I deleted it. 649 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,958 Could you tell the court what that was about? 650 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,078 So at the time, I was pretty into witchcraft. 651 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,638 I'm sorry, could you just speak up a tiny bit for the jury? 652 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,158 - You were quite into..? - Witchcraft. 653 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,118 It's a thing, you know? But, like... 654 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,918 But there was a dispute where you claimed another student 655 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,038 was "negatively affecting the energy of the full moon". 656 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,438 Well, yeah, because he was. 657 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,918 Where's all this going? 658 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,878 That student, also Asian, made a complaint against you 659 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,838 that included an allegation of racial harassment. 660 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,958 Am I correct? 661 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,878 - He was half-Malaysian, but... - And that was upheld. Am I correct? 662 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,480 Yes. 663 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,640 Do you still consider yourself to be a witch? 664 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,598 I consider it to be a legitimate identity, yeah. 665 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,558 You believe being a racist witch a legitimate identity? 666 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,118 - What? No, I didn't... - My Lady... 667 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,278 Miss Baria, please. 668 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,918 Let's just leave it as somebody who enjoys a complete fantasy, then, 669 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,558 as the college disciplinary panel concluded 670 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,680 in the case of Dhillon Harwood. 671 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,480 Thank you, Miss Bright. 672 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,878 Wow! 673 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,958 I just can't believe he had sex with Lucinda Bright! 674 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,358 Not quite sure that's the big picture here. 675 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,038 No, you're right. 676 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,080 I can't believe he never told me about it. 677 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,278 Can you believe this sexual assault? 678 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,118 Why it's not, really. 679 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,718 I mean, yes, I suppose you could say, 680 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,718 but there's a lot worse than that. 681 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,240 That's a debate for another time, but... 682 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,640 Do you consider what happened to you to be worse than that? 683 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,320 Orange. 684 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,758 I've been thinking about the festival 685 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,638 - and I was definitely wearing orange top. - Right. 686 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,878 We already know that. 687 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,758 Which means I would have worn the bracelet because I liked it 688 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,798 - with that top. - OK, good. 689 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,558 Keep thinking. 690 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,840 And also, anyone else who might have photos? 691 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,440 I'm OK until Jackson Browne. 692 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,278 I remember him doing Stay, which was amazing. 693 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,198 Maurice Williams and The Zodiacs did the original. 694 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,158 I did not know that. 695 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,920 Well, now you do. 696 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,800 With what happened to me, by the way. 697 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,560 Stealth was never the issue. 698 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,720 Talitha was abused as a child. 699 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,000 - By her mother's friends. - Shit! 700 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,240 - Has Talitha..? - Sort of. 701 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,320 We're getting there. 702 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,118 OK, so what's the issue here? 703 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,118 - The issue is the case against Talitha is very strong. - Um. 704 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,838 The scarf, the bracelet, the history. 705 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,398 And you're thinking of using her abuse 706 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,598 to change the jury's perception of her. 707 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,478 Risky. 708 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,398 Damian Campbell won't let me. 709 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,838 You do not want a big falling out with Damian. 710 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,438 Uh... Bite the hand that feeds us, you mean? 711 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,560 Yeah, I do mean exactly that. 712 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,078 So Lucinda was a bit of a let-down. 713 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,158 Yeah, Dhillon's defence battered her. It wasn't pretty. 714 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,798 The Establishment Gets Ruthless Lawyers Shocker. 715 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,558 Aye. I don't think Meera Harwood enjoyed it very much. 716 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,118 If her son gets away with this, she'll learn to live with it. 717 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,838 He won't. 718 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,838 Unlike Cassidy, I don't just want Talitha. 719 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,038 She needs to get that prejudice out of sight. 720 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,840 - On that note, Jenny, I heard something a bit disturbing. - Mm-hm? 721 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,638 So Andy Lowell was shit-faced at Cassidy's birthday party. 722 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,398 At a cops' piss up? Surely not?! 723 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,278 I get the impression that some of the 'not relevant' material 724 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,080 could stand another look. 725 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,520 It could always stand another look. 726 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,758 The establishment has got good lawyers, James, 727 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,440 so let them request it. 728 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,558 Concentrate on what we want. 729 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,160 A double conviction. 730 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,200 Yeah. 731 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,038 How are you feeling today? 732 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,280 Do you have any comments? 733 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,118 The mother of Hannah Ellis 734 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,078 arrived at Bristol Central Crown Court today 735 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,078 to testify in the case against Talitha Campbell 736 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,678 and Dhillon Harwood. 737 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,198 She's expected to reveal the details of a visit 738 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,320 she received from Dr Stephen Vendler on the day he died. 739 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,998 I'm going to be billing you by the minute, Cleo. 740 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,118 Cash monies up front. 741 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,720 I'm on legal aid. 742 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,638 You're a hard man to track down, Troy. 743 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,658 Yeah, I've been sorting out some business in Cannock. 744 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,840 Um! I'll start preparing the mitigation plea. 745 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,958 - So you came up with the name Lady Tease? - Right. 746 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,158 How come? 747 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,078 Well, Lady T at first 748 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,760 because her name's Talitha and she's posh. 749 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,198 Lady Tease when she wouldn't let me fuck her. 750 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,438 OK, I see the progression. 751 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,998 Hey, them papers making her out to be some kind of slag, 752 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,438 but actually she could be pretty picky. 753 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,640 So you and Talitha were kind of friends? 754 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,838 - Are we friends, Cleo? - No. 755 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,480 No, see? 756 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,598 I bet you're pretty picky as well, aren't you? 757 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,518 Rein it in, Troy. 758 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,398 Look, some punters can tolerate more than others, do you get me? 759 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,198 Did you? 760 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,638 I'd more time for Talitha than most of them students. 761 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,678 Why? Because she didn't try and go all street on me, 762 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,198 like some of them. 763 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,478 It's downright embarrassing the way they talk, 764 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,040 as if they didn't grow up in Custard-upon-Thames. 765 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,758 You admired that about her. 766 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,198 Yeah, I did. 767 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,478 It's why I won't go to them scum from the papers, 768 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,358 tell them all what Tals was like in bed and that. 769 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,078 Fair play. 770 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,078 You can't, though, can you? 771 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,240 Oh, more's the pity, Cleo! 772 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,440 But I've got an eye for a bull-shitter. 773 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,478 Can spot them from a distance. 774 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,640 And Tal, she is what she is and she made me laugh, but... 775 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,640 She ain't no bull-shitter. 776 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,120 So what about the credit cards? 777 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,198 What about them? 778 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,118 Did Talitha give them to you? 779 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,518 Nah. 780 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,240 - Did Dhillon? - No. 781 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,598 You land me with a witness summons, I blame everything on Talitha, 782 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,080 let's get that clear for a start. 783 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,000 Go on. 784 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,958 - Troy Manor's sister. - Mm-hm. 785 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,878 She was helping him sell drugs at the ball, but at some point Jodie 786 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,558 makes her way to the cloakroom... 787 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,918 Saw the bags and spotted an opportunity. 788 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,358 Got interrupted when she had nicked just one or two. 789 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,238 Hannah probably didn't even notice, 790 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,718 although these days you can just stop your card through an app, 791 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,918 which is what the others probably did. 792 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,638 Hannah's was passed to a contact in the West Midlands, 793 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,718 where it was mainly used at stations. 794 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,038 We can check out any others, but there's no point 795 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,238 in him giving evidence. 796 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,878 Complete waste of time. 797 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,038 Not at all. 798 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,998 One, the card issue was bugging me, 799 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,718 so now we know. 800 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:43,838 And two, 801 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,278 he likes Talitha. 802 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,398 Oh, fantastic 803 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,758 A reference from some drug-dealing scummer. 804 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,598 Not all drug-dealers are scummers and he likes Talitha 805 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,240 because "she's not a bull-shitter". 806 00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,478 And "funny". 807 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,358 - Funny. - She can be quite funny, actually. 808 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,838 And it made me realise there's a Talitha the jury might respond to. 809 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,238 Risky. 810 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,358 We're past the point of non-risky options a long time ago. 811 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,678 So she gets up on stage. 812 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,798 What's her opening gag? 813 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,238 The truth. 814 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:23,038 About? 815 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,440 Everything. 816 00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,240 Well, that is risky. 817 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,960 For all concerned. 818 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,960 So... 819 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:48,598 tread very carefully and always consider the wider picture. 820 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,560 My family reputation, it's very important. 821 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,238 Not to mention your business image. 822 00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:58,800 Not to mention that. 823 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,958 Can I tell you what won't be funny, though, Cleo? 824 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,318 Go on. 825 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,598 If you make me unhappy, 826 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,278 your exile after the Hargreaves case 827 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,158 will feel like a holiday in the Maldives. 828 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,000 There are definitely no third chances. 829 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,440 And I'll bear that in mind. 830 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,918 What make of scarf is it? 831 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,078 I don't know, I got it a charity shop. 832 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,078 Can't find in your flat. 833 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,278 Maybe I lost it. 834 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,160 - Where? - If I knew that, it wouldn't be lost. 835 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:15,500 _ 836 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,000 _ 837 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,478 Today, the focus of the trial shifts towards allegations 838 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,998 of harassment on the university campus 839 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,998 and the role of Dr Stephen Vendler, 840 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,558 who was responsible for hearing an earlier case 841 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,438 against Dylan Harwood. 842 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,638 The complication being, of course, that no-one can question 843 00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,800 Stephen Vendler due to the fact that he took his own life. 844 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:58,518 Mrs Vendler, you saw your husband before he left 845 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,878 for Andrea Ellis' home? 846 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:01,998 Yes. 847 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,238 And did you see him again after that? 848 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,598 No. 849 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,398 How would you describe his condition? 850 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,080 Very bad. 851 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,121 He was overcome with worry about our 852 00:51:13,146 --> 00:51:15,438 family in the wake of the press reports. 853 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,478 And he believed he had caused the death of Hannah Ellis. 854 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,638 Why? 855 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,318 Because he had told the student he was sleeping with that 856 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,558 Hannah Ellis had complained about her friend. 857 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,798 - The student being? - Talitha Campbell. 858 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,278 And her friend being? 859 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,958 The other person in the dock with her, I believe. 860 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,958 - Anyway, apparently she was angry. - Why? 861 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,158 I don't know. You would have to ask her that. 862 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,438 And you did not see him again after that? 863 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,038 No. 864 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,000 He texted shortly before he died. 865 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,638 Had he ever referred to Miss Campbell 866 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,318 before the newspapers got hold of their affair? 867 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,758 No, not really. 868 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,638 He talked about Hannah, though. 869 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,638 He liked her and was extremely impressed by her. 870 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,078 Exacerbating his remorse? 871 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,838 I don't know. 872 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,840 But that seems a fair assumption. 873 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,278 OK. 874 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,080 Thank you, Mrs Vendler. 875 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,758 He did tell me something about Talitha, though, after the news broke. 876 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,198 Ah, My Lady... 877 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,318 May I remind you that you may give evidence as to what your late 878 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,958 husband told you Talitha had said, but not... 879 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,518 He said she had no soul 880 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,760 and was preternaturally cruel. 881 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,078 He also told me Talitha had discussed her fantasies with him, 882 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,598 which involved killing another girl during sex. 883 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,678 - My Lady! - That is enough. 884 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,838 - Are you sure about this? - Mr Reynolds! 885 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,200 Quite sure. 886 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,880 No further questions. 887 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,278 Naturally, Mrs Vendler, you feel anger at Talitha Campbell. 888 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,838 I'm not sure it's natural and it's certainly not correct. 889 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,158 You don't feel anger at the person who destroyed your marriage? 890 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,280 She had no obligations to me. 891 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:27,598 And so we are just supposed to take your word for the fact 892 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,878 that your husband told you that his lover admitted 893 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,255 to fantasising about exactly 894 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,478 the crime of which she is accused? 895 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,160 Yes, I am asking you to take my word for it. 896 00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:47,518 You're a part-time poet, I believe. 897 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,958 Someone used to imaginative flights. 898 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,118 Yes. 899 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,598 And also quite capable of remembering something 900 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,178 my husband said. 901 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,238 It's part of your job to embellish things, isn't it? 902 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,598 It's part of your job, as well. 903 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,507 But I imagine you can still sustain a reasonably 904 00:54:05,532 --> 00:54:07,998 honest conversation at the dinner table. 905 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,825 What I'm getting at is... 906 00:54:09,850 --> 00:54:13,038 I'm well aware of what you're getting at. 907 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,038 It's not your everyday conversation, is it? 908 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,638 "Soulless"? 909 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,398 "Preternaturally cruel"? 910 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,198 Don't these words sound a little invented? 911 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,520 A little poetic license? 912 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,518 Mrs Vendler? 913 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,318 It wasn't a conversation. 914 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,558 Smoke signals? Sign language? 915 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,598 Miss Hemmings. 916 00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,598 I'm sorry, My Lady, but... 917 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:39,960 It was a letter. 918 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,598 Um... There is no reference to a letter... 919 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,560 From the hotel after he fled Andrea Ellis' house. 920 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,120 It arrived after his death. 921 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,758 I haven't shared it with anyone because it is deeply private. 922 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,400 And contains very intimate details of our marriage. 923 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,492 But it will substantiate all the evidence 924 00:55:08,517 --> 00:55:11,358 I have given in court today 925 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,040 and I can produce it if the court so requires. 926 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,988 My husband certainly believed that 927 00:55:19,013 --> 00:55:21,662 both of the accused killed Hannah Ellis... 928 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,320 and that he was the indirect cause. 929 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,880 Thank you, Mrs Vendler. We'll stop here. 930 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,800 Start thinking about a plea change in mitigation. 931 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,000 She's done for. 932 00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:09,500 *CREDITS*