1 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:55,062 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com - 2 00:00:56,449 --> 00:00:58,090 Joseph, what's the latest on IS? 3 00:00:58,129 --> 00:00:59,370 Do we have any matches? 4 00:00:59,410 --> 00:01:00,970 Yeah, kind of. I'm having 5 00:01:01,010 --> 00:01:02,730 a little bit of trouble trying to get our software 6 00:01:02,769 --> 00:01:04,650 to distinguish between times when someone has referred 7 00:01:04,689 --> 00:01:06,570 to IS, as in the Islamic State, 8 00:01:06,609 --> 00:01:08,570 which is what I presume we need to keep a record of, 9 00:01:08,609 --> 00:01:11,529 versus times when they'd simply used the word "is." 10 00:01:13,049 --> 00:01:14,730 You've spent the best part of a week 11 00:01:14,770 --> 00:01:16,930 looking into all nationwide communication 12 00:01:16,969 --> 00:01:18,370 containing the word "is"? 13 00:01:18,409 --> 00:01:19,409 Yeah. I mean, you'd be surprised 14 00:01:19,410 --> 00:01:20,609 how much it comes up. 15 00:01:21,770 --> 00:01:23,249 Jerry, have you been able to get 16 00:01:23,290 --> 00:01:24,370 a cybertrace on where the Russians 17 00:01:24,409 --> 00:01:25,490 might be operating from? 18 00:01:25,529 --> 00:01:26,770 Uh, well, first of all, 19 00:01:26,809 --> 00:01:28,329 good morning, Chris, 20 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:29,770 uh, and no, 21 00:01:29,809 --> 00:01:31,449 my only guess is that 22 00:01:31,490 --> 00:01:32,770 somehow they're able to operate 23 00:01:32,809 --> 00:01:34,730 even when their main server is asleep. 24 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:36,290 - I'm a bit like that. - By the way, 25 00:01:36,329 --> 00:01:37,730 has the NSA reached out 26 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:39,958 to see how I'm getting on with all of this? 27 00:01:39,983 --> 00:01:42,254 Yes, of course. If word gets out 28 00:01:42,279 --> 00:01:44,372 that a weapon designed by the NSA 29 00:01:44,397 --> 00:01:46,129 is now in the hands of terrorists, 30 00:01:46,154 --> 00:01:47,997 it's gonna be the biggest humiliation since Snowden. 31 00:01:48,022 --> 00:01:49,689 Yeah, I was asking more about, like, 32 00:01:49,730 --> 00:01:52,490 did they reach out to say hi, or... but what you said 33 00:01:52,529 --> 00:01:54,210 was also super important. 34 00:01:54,249 --> 00:01:55,329 Right. No. 35 00:01:55,370 --> 00:01:57,090 Also, just so that you know. 36 00:01:57,130 --> 00:01:58,650 as part of GCHQ's commitment 37 00:01:58,689 --> 00:02:00,689 to tackling sexual harassment and discrimination 38 00:02:00,730 --> 00:02:02,609 in the workplace, SciSec has been assigned 39 00:02:02,650 --> 00:02:04,290 Hilary Bowden, who will be leading 40 00:02:04,329 --> 00:02:05,770 some workshops during the day. 41 00:02:05,809 --> 00:02:07,210 Is she GCHQ? 42 00:02:07,249 --> 00:02:08,373 No, but she comes recommended 43 00:02:08,398 --> 00:02:10,046 by Rupert and Downing Street and she's also 44 00:02:10,071 --> 00:02:11,704 worked closely with Prince Andrew. 45 00:02:11,729 --> 00:02:13,490 Not too closely, I hope. 46 00:02:13,726 --> 00:02:16,007 And one final thing. 47 00:02:17,170 --> 00:02:20,650 One final thing. I'm delighted to announce 48 00:02:20,689 --> 00:02:25,481 that SciSec's new fire marshal will be Evelyn. 49 00:02:26,834 --> 00:02:28,051 - Uhh! Was it close? - No. 50 00:02:28,076 --> 00:02:29,287 - What do you mean? - Well done. 51 00:02:29,312 --> 00:02:31,066 Wait a minute. You didn't even apply for the role? 52 00:02:31,091 --> 00:02:32,645 - Well, no. - Does HR know? 53 00:02:32,670 --> 00:02:34,763 It's fine. It's just something to keep her active 54 00:02:34,788 --> 00:02:36,188 and get her out of my office. 55 00:02:36,213 --> 00:02:37,944 Chris, you can't just give that role 56 00:02:37,969 --> 00:02:39,209 to your own daughter. 57 00:02:39,234 --> 00:02:40,420 - Why not? - Well, isn't that... 58 00:02:40,445 --> 00:02:43,174 what's it called when you favor a relative? 59 00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:44,405 Incest? 60 00:02:44,937 --> 00:02:47,310 If you're accusing me of nepotism 61 00:02:47,335 --> 00:02:49,482 within GCHQ, it's probably my grandmother 62 00:02:49,507 --> 00:02:50,716 you need to speak to first. 63 00:02:50,741 --> 00:02:51,749 Right. Where is she at? 64 00:02:51,774 --> 00:02:53,704 Cheltenham Cemetery. 12 across, 4 down. 65 00:02:53,729 --> 00:02:55,698 Oh, it's lovely around there. 66 00:02:55,723 --> 00:02:58,883 - It's bullshit. - If only it wasn't so obvious that 67 00:02:58,908 --> 00:03:01,308 Evelyn has got the role purely on merit. 68 00:03:02,677 --> 00:03:04,038 Sorry, got what on merit? 69 00:03:11,050 --> 00:03:12,569 Any update from the Russians on how 70 00:03:12,610 --> 00:03:14,050 your mum's getting on there? 71 00:03:14,090 --> 00:03:15,805 Oh, they won't let me speak to her. 72 00:03:15,830 --> 00:03:17,289 She's very strong-willed. 73 00:03:17,330 --> 00:03:19,409 She once ate a glass vase. 74 00:03:33,090 --> 00:03:34,689 Come along. Let's get this over with. 75 00:03:34,729 --> 00:03:36,090 Yep. 76 00:03:36,129 --> 00:03:37,339 Uh, yeah, hi. 77 00:03:37,364 --> 00:03:39,087 I just wanted to make sure you received 78 00:03:39,112 --> 00:03:41,712 my, uh, my donation to the Women's 79 00:03:41,737 --> 00:03:44,610 Progressive Liberal Library Fund. 80 00:03:44,714 --> 00:03:47,784 Yes, $10,000. Great. Thank you. 81 00:03:48,345 --> 00:03:49,905 I'm so sorry. How can I help you? 82 00:03:49,930 --> 00:03:51,650 Hilary Bowden. I'll be leading 83 00:03:51,689 --> 00:03:54,490 the harassment and discrimination sessions today. 84 00:03:54,693 --> 00:03:56,614 Oh, right, right. 85 00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:58,689 Jerry Bernstein, NSA. 86 00:03:58,729 --> 00:04:01,969 Well, are you a breath of fresh air. 87 00:04:01,994 --> 00:04:03,154 Oh, really? Why? 88 00:04:03,179 --> 00:04:04,701 Oh, just that you're a very... 89 00:04:08,247 --> 00:04:10,264 um... um... red. You're very red. 90 00:04:10,289 --> 00:04:11,458 Heh. 91 00:04:11,483 --> 00:04:13,129 Were you about to say I was attractive? 92 00:04:13,170 --> 00:04:16,289 Maybe. Would that have been ok? 93 00:04:16,330 --> 00:04:17,982 Of course. Why not? 94 00:04:18,154 --> 00:04:20,019 Well, it's just that, you know, 95 00:04:20,044 --> 00:04:22,653 men like me are often... ah, never mind. 96 00:04:22,678 --> 00:04:23,958 No, go on. 97 00:04:23,983 --> 00:04:25,543 No, it's just that, you know, 98 00:04:25,568 --> 00:04:29,039 being a good-looking straight white male these days 99 00:04:29,064 --> 00:04:31,985 is kind of like having a target on your back, you know? 100 00:04:39,213 --> 00:04:41,922 Anyway, um, if you need anything at all 101 00:04:41,947 --> 00:04:43,344 while... while you're here, you just, 102 00:04:43,369 --> 00:04:44,849 you know, give me a nudge. 103 00:04:44,890 --> 00:04:47,210 I'm a big fan of your... of your harassment... 104 00:04:47,250 --> 00:04:50,330 of... anti-harass... and... your work, 105 00:04:50,369 --> 00:04:51,969 and... and discrimination. 106 00:04:52,010 --> 00:04:53,408 Very important. 107 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:55,330 Well, then. Shall we? 108 00:04:55,369 --> 00:04:57,289 - No, please. - No, please. 109 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:58,868 OK. 110 00:05:00,303 --> 00:05:01,573 Oh! Hello. 111 00:05:01,598 --> 00:05:02,799 After you. 112 00:05:05,330 --> 00:05:08,409 How do you feel about sharing the fire marshal position? 113 00:05:08,450 --> 00:05:09,849 - There's only one tabard. - Yeah, I know, 114 00:05:09,890 --> 00:05:11,461 but I can always give it a rinse in between. 115 00:05:11,486 --> 00:05:13,289 Aren't you already health and safety officer? 116 00:05:13,330 --> 00:05:14,450 Oh, yeah, I know, but ever since Elaine 117 00:05:14,451 --> 00:05:15,529 walked into that sheet of glass, 118 00:05:15,570 --> 00:05:16,806 there's been nothing to do. 119 00:05:16,831 --> 00:05:17,911 Well, what do you want me to do? 120 00:05:17,936 --> 00:05:19,015 Start a fire? 121 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,800 That's not really necessary. 122 00:05:21,049 --> 00:05:22,489 Good morning, everyone. 123 00:05:22,514 --> 00:05:23,689 - Good morning. - Good morning. 124 00:05:23,714 --> 00:05:25,711 As you know, my name is Hilary Bowden. 125 00:05:25,736 --> 00:05:28,417 I'm an ambassador for CBT in the workplace. 126 00:05:28,442 --> 00:05:30,810 I have experience with animals. 127 00:05:30,849 --> 00:05:34,609 And I am co-creator of the biodegradable coil. 128 00:05:34,650 --> 00:05:36,489 We are stretched for time, so, 129 00:05:36,529 --> 00:05:38,182 just to get the ball rolling, 130 00:05:38,207 --> 00:05:40,450 I'd like to start with a general chat 131 00:05:40,489 --> 00:05:44,222 about our own personal experiences of harassment. 132 00:05:44,247 --> 00:05:45,687 Would anyone like to go first? 133 00:05:48,890 --> 00:05:50,090 Well... 134 00:05:50,130 --> 00:05:51,253 - oh, no. - No. 135 00:05:51,278 --> 00:05:52,718 - You sure? - Yeah. you go. 136 00:05:52,743 --> 00:05:54,175 So, I often get teased quite a lot 137 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,745 because of my height. I don't know if 138 00:05:55,770 --> 00:05:57,250 that counts as harassment per se. 139 00:05:57,289 --> 00:05:58,849 I see. And from a psychological 140 00:05:58,890 --> 00:06:00,876 point of view, does that get you down? 141 00:06:00,901 --> 00:06:02,690 Well, I'm a lot closer to the ground, 142 00:06:02,729 --> 00:06:04,529 if that's what... is that what you meant? 143 00:06:04,585 --> 00:06:06,384 But do you ever find it restricting? 144 00:06:06,409 --> 00:06:07,890 Oh, no. No, not... I mean, 145 00:06:07,929 --> 00:06:10,258 within reason, I can fit into any size space, so. 146 00:06:10,283 --> 00:06:12,024 - Like a squid. - Or a gas. 147 00:06:12,049 --> 00:06:14,409 And Jerry, as the alpha of the pack, 148 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:15,890 have you always been this tall? 149 00:06:15,929 --> 00:06:19,169 Yeah, since birth. I'm... I'm tall everywhere. 150 00:06:19,210 --> 00:06:21,570 And are you now at your maximum height, do you think? 151 00:06:21,718 --> 00:06:23,999 Actually, I can feel myself growing right now. 152 00:06:25,182 --> 00:06:29,650 Lovely. Ok. So, I would like to try a little bit of role play. 153 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:31,517 Mary and Joseph. 154 00:06:31,542 --> 00:06:33,901 Come help me at the front here. 155 00:06:33,926 --> 00:06:35,453 Um, Jerry, could you please, 156 00:06:35,478 --> 00:06:37,338 chair for me, please. 157 00:06:37,570 --> 00:06:39,169 Oh! 158 00:06:39,210 --> 00:06:41,489 OK, so, I want you to imagine 159 00:06:41,529 --> 00:06:43,489 that Mary has been bullying Joseph 160 00:06:43,625 --> 00:06:45,546 - for his height, say, and... - Why? 161 00:06:45,571 --> 00:06:46,529 Well, actually, that's a good point. 162 00:06:46,530 --> 00:06:49,570 In theory, why else might we want to make fun of Joseph? 163 00:06:49,609 --> 00:06:50,810 I don't know the best way to say this. 164 00:06:50,849 --> 00:06:52,695 The color of his skin? 165 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,600 - Yes, thank you. - His intellect. 166 00:06:54,625 --> 00:06:56,289 - Size of his nose. - The way he dresses. 167 00:06:56,330 --> 00:06:57,330 I think that's probably enough. 168 00:06:57,331 --> 00:06:58,321 His one brow? 169 00:06:58,346 --> 00:06:59,649 Jerry, I think that... 170 00:06:59,674 --> 00:07:01,250 Yes, that's a good amount of variables. 171 00:07:01,275 --> 00:07:02,515 And which one of these are you 172 00:07:02,570 --> 00:07:04,330 most comfortable talking about, Mary? 173 00:07:04,355 --> 00:07:07,078 Oh. Probably, um... uh... 174 00:07:08,346 --> 00:07:09,745 the color of his skin? 175 00:07:09,770 --> 00:07:11,729 Yes. I agree. At least in theory, 176 00:07:11,770 --> 00:07:13,330 that's certainly the most obvious. 177 00:07:13,369 --> 00:07:15,250 I don't know. That nose is pretty big. 178 00:07:15,289 --> 00:07:16,359 Jerry. 179 00:07:16,384 --> 00:07:17,601 So, I want you to imagine 180 00:07:17,626 --> 00:07:19,335 that you've had a run-in with Joseph 181 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,865 and you've ended up saying something racist. 182 00:07:21,890 --> 00:07:24,770 Do you want me to actually say the word out loud? 183 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:26,890 Well, do you have a particular word in mind? 184 00:07:26,929 --> 00:07:28,330 A few, yes. 185 00:07:28,369 --> 00:07:31,450 Oh, but only because Mum used to talk in her sleep. 186 00:07:31,489 --> 00:07:33,049 - Right. - Just for my write-up, 187 00:07:33,090 --> 00:07:35,169 Christine, what proportion of the office is black? 188 00:07:35,194 --> 00:07:38,770 Sorry. I believe the correct term is African-American. 189 00:07:38,810 --> 00:07:41,130 I think quite a lot of the furniture is black. 190 00:07:41,155 --> 00:07:42,963 Sorry. African-American. 191 00:07:42,988 --> 00:07:44,811 Of course, we have very few, if any, 192 00:07:44,836 --> 00:07:46,596 African-Americans working here. 193 00:07:46,621 --> 00:07:48,848 What? How do you get away with that? 194 00:07:55,330 --> 00:07:56,770 OK. I think that's enough. 195 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:58,929 - Yeah. - Now we can all relax. 196 00:07:58,969 --> 00:08:00,489 How did that make you feel, Joseph? 197 00:08:01,304 --> 00:08:04,325 Uh... I guess it made me feel a bit more white. 198 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:08,250 Hilary, given that I hang out with Joseph so much, 199 00:08:08,289 --> 00:08:10,810 does that mean I can never be accused of being a racist? 200 00:08:10,849 --> 00:08:13,010 OK, well, let's break that down, shall we? 201 00:08:13,049 --> 00:08:14,369 Does your friendship with Joseph 202 00:08:14,409 --> 00:08:16,409 ever feel like a conscious decision? 203 00:08:16,450 --> 00:08:17,529 - Absolutely. - Never. 204 00:08:17,570 --> 00:08:19,177 - Oh. - I mean, a little bit of both. 205 00:08:19,202 --> 00:08:21,435 It's not an act of pity or self-defense? 206 00:08:21,460 --> 00:08:22,966 How would it be an act of self-defense? 207 00:08:22,991 --> 00:08:24,470 Well, perhaps it makes Jerry feel 208 00:08:24,495 --> 00:08:26,014 more powerful, surrounding himself 209 00:08:26,039 --> 00:08:27,592 - with people of color. - Like in "Moana." 210 00:08:27,617 --> 00:08:29,224 - Yeah. - No, I'd never do that. 211 00:08:29,249 --> 00:08:31,824 That's not to say I don't feel powerful around you, buddy, 212 00:08:31,849 --> 00:08:33,104 but I think anyone would. 213 00:08:33,129 --> 00:08:35,170 Hmm. 214 00:08:38,330 --> 00:08:41,090 Ok, so, this next bit's actually taken from my latest book. 215 00:08:41,129 --> 00:08:43,930 It's just a scenario that I'd like you to mull over 216 00:08:43,969 --> 00:08:45,249 before we break for lunch. 217 00:08:45,290 --> 00:08:49,290 Now, what if Jerry invited Joseph over to his house? 218 00:08:49,330 --> 00:08:50,887 He's staying in a hotel. 219 00:08:50,912 --> 00:08:53,210 OK, so, imagine he invites him over to his hotel 220 00:08:53,249 --> 00:08:55,222 - and cooks him a delicious... - Doesn't have a kitchen. 221 00:08:55,247 --> 00:08:56,649 Well, let's just assume it's a suite. 222 00:08:56,690 --> 00:08:58,489 I'm sure they'd upgrade me if I asked. 223 00:08:58,530 --> 00:08:59,930 Couldn't you just use the hotel kitchen? 224 00:08:59,969 --> 00:09:01,530 That was going to be my question. 225 00:09:01,570 --> 00:09:02,830 - Jesus. - No, I don't want 226 00:09:02,869 --> 00:09:04,396 to hang out with those guys. 227 00:09:04,421 --> 00:09:07,435 I'm trying to cook Joseph a nice, romantic children's meal. 228 00:09:07,460 --> 00:09:10,091 The point is, Jerry ends up cooking Joseph 229 00:09:10,116 --> 00:09:12,489 a really big, vibrant curry. 230 00:09:12,530 --> 00:09:14,249 You wrote a book about this? 231 00:09:14,290 --> 00:09:17,009 - I quite like curry. - Oh, there you go. See? 232 00:09:17,050 --> 00:09:18,810 The question is, though, is that racist? 233 00:09:18,849 --> 00:09:20,489 No way. I'm just using up 234 00:09:20,530 --> 00:09:22,410 all the ingredients I had left over. 235 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:24,290 I thought that was pancake day. 236 00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:25,570 But is this a sign that we have 237 00:09:25,609 --> 00:09:27,690 preconceived ideas of people? 238 00:09:27,729 --> 00:09:30,210 No. I'm just trying to cook my best friend in London... 239 00:09:30,249 --> 00:09:32,649 - Cheltenham. - Cheltenham his favorite meal. 240 00:09:32,690 --> 00:09:34,369 - I never said it was my favorite. - See? 241 00:09:34,410 --> 00:09:36,930 Yeah, but I'd do the same for... for anyone. 242 00:09:36,969 --> 00:09:38,649 I mean, apart from Tuva, maybe. 243 00:09:38,690 --> 00:09:40,563 Why? What would you cook for me? 244 00:09:40,588 --> 00:09:43,450 I'm imagining a more fragrant, spicy, 245 00:09:43,489 --> 00:09:44,570 kind of noodle thing. 246 00:09:44,609 --> 00:09:46,129 Surely that's time. 247 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:48,164 - With a side of crickets. - The fuck? 248 00:09:48,189 --> 00:09:49,810 Are we not doing the bit in the role play 249 00:09:49,849 --> 00:09:51,330 where I call Joseph a... 250 00:09:56,450 --> 00:09:57,729 Wow. 251 00:10:02,649 --> 00:10:03,930 Phones off. 252 00:10:03,969 --> 00:10:07,657 - Up. Move. - Oh, what? God. 253 00:10:08,008 --> 00:10:09,626 - _ - Look at you. 254 00:10:09,650 --> 00:10:11,836 _ 255 00:10:12,810 --> 00:10:14,570 - Move up. - Yeah. 256 00:10:15,969 --> 00:10:18,666 Hilary just grabbed my junk again. 257 00:10:18,691 --> 00:10:20,530 What? Why? 258 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:22,009 Maybe it's some kind of game, 259 00:10:22,050 --> 00:10:24,806 like a perverted version of Bop It. 260 00:10:24,831 --> 00:10:26,690 Whatever it is, I think she's winning. 261 00:10:26,729 --> 00:10:27,930 Are you gonna say something? 262 00:10:27,969 --> 00:10:29,290 I don't know. I mean, 263 00:10:29,330 --> 00:10:30,769 what if she's just really into me? 264 00:10:30,810 --> 00:10:32,129 What if she's not? 265 00:10:32,170 --> 00:10:33,530 Well, then I'm gonna tell on her. 266 00:10:33,570 --> 00:10:34,769 To Chris? 267 00:10:34,810 --> 00:10:36,272 What's going on? 268 00:10:36,297 --> 00:10:38,369 Oh, just tell her Hilary grabbed Jerry's crotch 269 00:10:38,410 --> 00:10:39,570 and he wants to tell Chris. 270 00:10:39,609 --> 00:10:41,795 - Oh. - Pass it on. 271 00:10:42,129 --> 00:10:45,290 Something about Jerry and Chris's crotch. 272 00:10:45,330 --> 00:10:46,889 I didn't really catch it. 273 00:10:46,930 --> 00:10:48,729 - You caught something? - I don't know, 274 00:10:48,769 --> 00:10:50,748 but we all have to pass it on. 275 00:10:51,690 --> 00:10:53,849 - Jerry's got an STD. - What? 276 00:10:53,889 --> 00:10:56,170 - Pass it on. - Ew. No. Gross. 277 00:10:58,849 --> 00:11:00,729 Jerry's got syphilis again. 278 00:11:07,729 --> 00:11:10,231 It's sexual harassment time. 279 00:11:10,369 --> 00:11:14,450 What I want to examine is what's acceptable in the workplace, 280 00:11:14,504 --> 00:11:18,624 what's unacceptable, and ultimately, what's illegal. 281 00:11:18,649 --> 00:11:20,450 - Yeah, me, too. - Can anyone give me 282 00:11:20,489 --> 00:11:23,517 an example of something that's illegal in the workplace? 283 00:11:23,542 --> 00:11:24,542 Homicide. 284 00:11:24,567 --> 00:11:29,575 Yes, but I'm particularly interested in those muddier areas. 285 00:11:29,889 --> 00:11:33,318 Who uses kisses at the end of their emails? 286 00:11:33,889 --> 00:11:35,545 And how does everyone else feel about that? 287 00:11:35,570 --> 00:11:38,346 - How do you think? - The only thing that bothers me 288 00:11:38,371 --> 00:11:40,410 is when the whole email is just a kiss. 289 00:11:40,450 --> 00:11:43,530 - Even the subject line? - Yeah, there's like kisses just everywhere. 290 00:11:43,570 --> 00:11:44,801 Yeah, in my defense 291 00:11:44,826 --> 00:11:46,530 I think a lot of those were group emails. 292 00:11:46,570 --> 00:11:48,009 They were. Joseph: Yeah. 293 00:11:48,050 --> 00:11:49,050 Why haven't I received one of them? 294 00:11:49,090 --> 00:11:51,099 I don't know. You'd have to check your mailbox settings. 295 00:11:51,124 --> 00:11:55,249 - OK. - I sometimes use hugs at the end of my emails. 296 00:11:55,290 --> 00:11:56,769 - What's a hug? - Kind of like... 297 00:11:56,810 --> 00:11:58,849 No. Get off. No, I mean 298 00:11:58,889 --> 00:12:01,074 how do you write a hug in email? 299 00:12:01,099 --> 00:12:03,060 Oh. Well, I type a big capital "O," 300 00:12:03,085 --> 00:12:05,639 or I use open and closed brackets. 301 00:12:05,664 --> 00:12:07,864 Just to offer you my professional opinion, 302 00:12:07,889 --> 00:12:09,934 and I'd say the same to the royals, 303 00:12:09,959 --> 00:12:12,720 I'd worry that might look a little like an entranceway. 304 00:12:12,745 --> 00:12:15,729 Oh. What, like I'm inviting someone in? 305 00:12:15,769 --> 00:12:17,849 - Yeah, baby. - That's not allowed. 306 00:12:17,889 --> 00:12:19,210 - What? "Yeah, baby"? - Yeah. 307 00:12:19,249 --> 00:12:21,129 Oh, come on. It's harmless, isn't it? 308 00:12:21,170 --> 00:12:22,369 It's just like two words. 309 00:12:22,410 --> 00:12:23,889 So is "sugar tits." 310 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:25,210 - Thank you. - Christine, how do you 311 00:12:25,249 --> 00:12:26,649 usually sign off your emails? 312 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:28,361 - Would you ever use a kiss? - No. 313 00:12:28,489 --> 00:12:31,274 I only ever sign off with an "X" if I want that person killed. 314 00:12:31,299 --> 00:12:32,769 Hmm. Tony Blair does that. 315 00:12:32,810 --> 00:12:34,170 Is that why you keep doing that to me? 316 00:12:34,210 --> 00:12:35,810 No. If I wanted you killed, 317 00:12:35,849 --> 00:12:38,954 I'd probably just do it in your sleep. 318 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:40,330 Oh, my gosh. 319 00:12:40,369 --> 00:12:42,086 So, one additional thing I'm keen 320 00:12:42,111 --> 00:12:44,129 to examine within these sessions 321 00:12:44,170 --> 00:12:45,530 is the degree to which 322 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:47,210 our decisions are affected 323 00:12:47,249 --> 00:12:48,905 by unconscious bias. 324 00:12:48,930 --> 00:12:49,960 I wouldn't know. 325 00:12:49,985 --> 00:12:51,249 Exactly. So, 326 00:12:51,290 --> 00:12:52,849 the best way I like to test this 327 00:12:52,889 --> 00:12:55,280 is by imagining that the building is on fire 328 00:12:55,305 --> 00:12:57,983 and working out who you would save first. 329 00:12:58,008 --> 00:12:59,649 - Jerry. - Quentin. 330 00:12:59,690 --> 00:13:01,351 - Joseph. - Mum. 331 00:13:01,570 --> 00:13:02,867 - Mary. - Oh! 332 00:13:02,892 --> 00:13:04,573 - You're the lightest. - Hmm. 333 00:13:04,598 --> 00:13:06,399 Well, no, try and ignore all other factors. 334 00:13:06,424 --> 00:13:08,545 So, let's pretend that you're Superman 335 00:13:08,570 --> 00:13:10,609 and therefore, the size and weight 336 00:13:10,649 --> 00:13:12,769 of an individual isn't important. 337 00:13:12,810 --> 00:13:14,969 So, assuming you're Superman, Jerry, 338 00:13:15,009 --> 00:13:17,210 would Mary be your first choice as well? 339 00:13:17,249 --> 00:13:19,290 Uh, I'm not sure. 340 00:13:19,330 --> 00:13:20,769 I'd be worried about her wig 341 00:13:20,810 --> 00:13:22,849 catching fire and damaging my cape. 342 00:13:23,031 --> 00:13:24,871 - That's not a wig. - What about me? 343 00:13:24,896 --> 00:13:26,769 Oh, well, you'd be OK for a few hours 344 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:28,871 in your mom's glass box up there. 345 00:13:28,896 --> 00:13:31,606 - Not if it melts. - Oh, Tuva. 346 00:13:31,631 --> 00:13:32,649 Chris, I'm sure you'd want 347 00:13:32,690 --> 00:13:34,210 to save Evelyn at some point. 348 00:13:34,249 --> 00:13:36,470 Well, I wouldn't want to be accused of nepotism, would I? 349 00:13:36,471 --> 00:13:37,944 So, you'd rather I burned to death? 350 00:13:37,945 --> 00:13:39,799 To be honest, I don't think any of this would have happened 351 00:13:39,824 --> 00:13:41,806 if I'd have been made fire marshal in the first place. 352 00:13:41,831 --> 00:13:43,416 So, what we actually recommend 353 00:13:43,441 --> 00:13:46,198 as a way of avoiding unconscious bias within this scenario 354 00:13:46,223 --> 00:13:47,545 is to save people, 355 00:13:47,570 --> 00:13:49,369 but in alphabetical order. 356 00:13:49,410 --> 00:13:50,456 Oh. Great. 357 00:13:50,481 --> 00:13:52,451 Starting with you, Christine. 358 00:13:52,476 --> 00:13:54,155 - What? - Followed by Evelyn. 359 00:13:54,180 --> 00:13:55,969 - Great. - And it would be me... 360 00:13:56,009 --> 00:13:58,210 Hilary... if I happened to be around. 361 00:13:58,249 --> 00:13:59,489 Yes, what a shame you're only here 362 00:13:59,530 --> 00:14:00,890 for one day of the year. 363 00:14:00,915 --> 00:14:02,665 - Like Santa Claus. - Or a smear test. 364 00:14:02,690 --> 00:14:03,889 Yes. 365 00:14:07,729 --> 00:14:09,009 What I want to look at now 366 00:14:09,050 --> 00:14:10,489 is physical interaction. 367 00:14:10,530 --> 00:14:14,769 Now, I will warn you that some of this is quite sensitive, but 368 00:14:14,810 --> 00:14:17,077 I did try some of these techniques out 369 00:14:17,102 --> 00:14:18,810 at a COBRA meeting last week, 370 00:14:18,849 --> 00:14:20,849 so, they are perfectly safe. 371 00:14:20,889 --> 00:14:23,813 Ah, Jerry, do you mind joining me at the front, please? 372 00:14:23,838 --> 00:14:26,570 So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to demonstrate 373 00:14:26,595 --> 00:14:29,102 how to hug a colleague the correct way 374 00:14:29,127 --> 00:14:31,047 from a legal point of view. 375 00:14:31,072 --> 00:14:36,087 OK, so, here we go. And 1, 2, and then off. 376 00:14:36,729 --> 00:14:38,530 Now, if you want to put a bit of force 377 00:14:38,570 --> 00:14:40,050 back into your pushback, just to prove 378 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:42,609 there's no agenda there, that's absolutely fine. 379 00:14:42,649 --> 00:14:44,210 But what if your colleague 380 00:14:44,249 --> 00:14:46,330 has just witnessed something horrendous 381 00:14:46,369 --> 00:14:48,290 on the web and you feel 382 00:14:48,330 --> 00:14:50,170 like a longer hug is necessary? 383 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:52,410 So, you might want to go for a... 384 00:14:52,450 --> 00:14:55,332 a 1, 2, 3, and then... 385 00:14:57,170 --> 00:14:58,160 Jesus. 386 00:14:58,185 --> 00:15:00,824 OK? So, why don't we all give that a go? 387 00:15:02,570 --> 00:15:03,930 Hold on to my hand. 388 00:15:03,969 --> 00:15:05,930 1... 1. 389 00:15:05,969 --> 00:15:08,489 Be careful. She's ancient. 390 00:15:08,530 --> 00:15:09,769 Give me a hug. 391 00:15:09,810 --> 00:15:11,489 OK, here? Here? 392 00:15:11,530 --> 00:15:14,129 - That was awkward, actually. - Yeah. 393 00:15:14,170 --> 00:15:16,530 On the count of 3, I want you to all 394 00:15:16,570 --> 00:15:18,349 arrange yourselves in order 395 00:15:18,374 --> 00:15:20,129 of who you feel is most likely 396 00:15:20,170 --> 00:15:21,596 to be taken advantage of. 397 00:15:21,621 --> 00:15:22,981 1, 2, 3, go. 398 00:15:31,051 --> 00:15:33,021 Fantastic. Now, please sit back down. 399 00:15:41,463 --> 00:15:43,983 - Ah, I have a question. - Sure. 400 00:15:44,249 --> 00:15:46,330 What if someone were to, 401 00:15:46,369 --> 00:15:47,930 I don't know, say, 402 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:51,249 grab your ass or your crotch. 403 00:15:51,458 --> 00:15:55,487 Would I report that as sexual harassment or... 404 00:15:55,512 --> 00:15:56,645 Or what? 405 00:15:56,934 --> 00:15:58,640 Or would I 406 00:15:58,665 --> 00:16:00,464 correctly interpret that 407 00:16:00,489 --> 00:16:02,090 as someone having 408 00:16:02,242 --> 00:16:04,883 extremely strong feelings for me? 409 00:16:04,908 --> 00:16:06,895 I wouldn't have thought so, no. 410 00:16:07,649 --> 00:16:08,769 Really? 411 00:16:08,810 --> 00:16:11,041 Then why is that person 412 00:16:11,066 --> 00:16:13,435 going around grabbing people's crotches? 413 00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:16,129 I guess because it makes them feel powerful, 414 00:16:16,170 --> 00:16:17,826 especially when they know 415 00:16:17,851 --> 00:16:20,193 that no one will ever believe the other party. 416 00:16:20,218 --> 00:16:21,849 What? Why would they do that? 417 00:16:21,889 --> 00:16:23,530 I mean, that's totally fucked up. 418 00:16:23,570 --> 00:16:24,690 I know, but sadly, 419 00:16:24,729 --> 00:16:25,930 it's what the science shows us 420 00:16:25,969 --> 00:16:27,410 again and again. 421 00:16:27,450 --> 00:16:30,969 Ok. For those of you who don't know what's going on here... 422 00:16:32,369 --> 00:16:34,610 Hilary grabbed my crotch 423 00:16:34,635 --> 00:16:38,210 and my tush earlier, multiple times. 424 00:16:38,393 --> 00:16:40,050 Ok, so, now might be a good time 425 00:16:40,090 --> 00:16:43,188 to look at how best to deal with both accusations. 426 00:16:43,213 --> 00:16:45,810 - What? - Mary, do you mind joining us, please? 427 00:16:45,849 --> 00:16:47,969 Wait, no, hold it. This is bullshit. 428 00:16:48,009 --> 00:16:49,530 - She's lying. - So, Jerry, 429 00:16:49,570 --> 00:16:51,450 what I want you to do is just demonstrate 430 00:16:51,489 --> 00:16:53,090 what you believe happened 431 00:16:53,129 --> 00:16:54,530 as part of a role play. 432 00:16:54,570 --> 00:16:57,050 Fine. On you or... or Mary? 433 00:16:57,090 --> 00:16:58,369 On Mary. 434 00:17:00,684 --> 00:17:03,090 Uh... mm. No-no. 435 00:17:03,129 --> 00:17:04,689 No-no, I... no, 436 00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:06,209 I'm not falling for this. 437 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:07,649 There might be a trap. 438 00:17:07,689 --> 00:17:08,849 Mary, is it a trap? 439 00:17:08,889 --> 00:17:10,043 I don't think so. 440 00:17:10,068 --> 00:17:12,065 No one's ever called it that before. 441 00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:13,689 And what if it were the other way around? 442 00:17:13,730 --> 00:17:15,010 What, like, I grab her ass? 443 00:17:15,050 --> 00:17:16,290 What if she were to grab you? 444 00:17:16,330 --> 00:17:17,301 - Now? - No! 445 00:17:17,326 --> 00:17:18,130 Whenever you're ready. 446 00:17:18,155 --> 00:17:19,980 Mary, what the fuck? 447 00:17:20,005 --> 00:17:21,754 Isn't someone gonna say something? 448 00:17:21,779 --> 00:17:23,609 Sorry, are we still in the role play? 449 00:17:23,649 --> 00:17:24,730 - Yes. - No! 450 00:17:24,770 --> 00:17:26,222 I'm really confused. 451 00:17:26,247 --> 00:17:27,161 Great. Are we done? 452 00:17:27,186 --> 00:17:28,825 - Mary, thank you. - What... 453 00:17:29,169 --> 00:17:32,089 what... are you all just gonna sit there? Chris! 454 00:17:32,114 --> 00:17:33,465 I'm sorry. I was miles away. 455 00:17:33,490 --> 00:17:36,490 And what Jerry's doing here is pretending to object. 456 00:17:36,530 --> 00:17:38,449 - No, I'm not. - Uh, that's really clever. 457 00:17:38,490 --> 00:17:39,770 Why would I do that? 458 00:17:39,810 --> 00:17:42,330 To demonstrate what happens when someone cries wolf. 459 00:17:42,369 --> 00:17:45,129 I'm not... I'm not crying wolf, OK? 460 00:17:45,169 --> 00:17:46,328 It really happened. 461 00:17:46,353 --> 00:17:48,280 That's exactly what the boy said. 462 00:17:48,305 --> 00:17:50,178 Well, I'm being serious this time. 463 00:17:50,203 --> 00:17:51,764 - He said that, too. - Oh, I get it. 464 00:17:51,789 --> 00:17:53,810 So, you and Hilary are in cahoots. 465 00:17:53,849 --> 00:17:55,209 - Yes. - What? No! 466 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:57,139 Wonderful. A happy finish. 467 00:17:57,164 --> 00:18:00,185 And, of course, the sad thing about a false accusation is 468 00:18:00,210 --> 00:18:02,609 not only does it make the individual look stupid 469 00:18:02,649 --> 00:18:04,905 but it also undermines those cases 470 00:18:04,930 --> 00:18:07,928 where someone has genuinely been harassed. 471 00:18:07,953 --> 00:18:10,531 I have been harassed. 472 00:18:10,556 --> 00:18:12,745 Joseph, when I came back in here, 473 00:18:12,770 --> 00:18:14,730 what's the first thing I said to you? 474 00:18:14,770 --> 00:18:16,491 - Move up. - No, after that. 475 00:18:16,516 --> 00:18:18,601 Uh, that you think she's really into you. 476 00:18:18,626 --> 00:18:20,647 - No, not that. - That you've got syphilis? 477 00:18:20,672 --> 00:18:22,449 - Yeah... no. What? - Is that what you said? 478 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:23,490 I must've misheard. 479 00:18:23,530 --> 00:18:25,399 No. No. OK. 480 00:18:25,424 --> 00:18:27,305 I'm genuinely starting to think 481 00:18:27,330 --> 00:18:29,231 that you guys are all in on this. 482 00:18:29,256 --> 00:18:30,776 Well, it is common for men like you 483 00:18:30,801 --> 00:18:32,166 to try and play the victim. 484 00:18:32,191 --> 00:18:34,463 Whoa-whoa-whoa. Did you just say "men like me"? 485 00:18:34,488 --> 00:18:37,849 What, you don't think men like me can get harassed? 486 00:18:37,889 --> 00:18:39,417 Well, then you don't know about the time... 487 00:18:39,442 --> 00:18:41,128 Wonderful. And we're out of it. 488 00:18:41,153 --> 00:18:42,785 - Fantastic. - Wait... no, no. 489 00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:44,330 you can't... you can't just do that. 490 00:18:44,369 --> 00:18:45,845 And we're back in. 491 00:18:45,870 --> 00:18:47,250 Time's up, I'm afraid, Jerry. 492 00:18:47,290 --> 00:18:49,090 OK. Oh... you know what? 493 00:18:49,129 --> 00:18:50,250 No. You were right. 494 00:18:50,290 --> 00:18:51,292 You do have syphilis? 495 00:18:51,317 --> 00:18:53,182 No. I mean, we're in cahoots. 496 00:18:53,207 --> 00:18:56,806 - Oh. - Hilary and I have been in cahoots the whole time. 497 00:18:56,831 --> 00:18:59,449 I mean, this whole thing has been planned. 498 00:18:59,490 --> 00:19:01,454 Her grabbing my junk was planned. 499 00:19:01,479 --> 00:19:04,313 Her grabbing my... my back thingy was planned. 500 00:19:04,338 --> 00:19:07,530 Um, this... this was planned right there. 501 00:19:07,570 --> 00:19:09,889 That's planned. Yeah. And this. 502 00:19:09,929 --> 00:19:14,290 This was planned. And this is planned. 503 00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:16,530 And this is planned. 504 00:19:32,609 --> 00:19:34,649 And we're out of it. 505 00:19:52,305 --> 00:19:55,264 No! What? Hi. Yes. 506 00:19:56,169 --> 00:19:57,490 Just so you know, 507 00:19:57,576 --> 00:19:59,178 I won't be pressing charges. 508 00:20:00,889 --> 00:20:03,148 Thank you. Me, neither. 509 00:20:04,409 --> 00:20:08,078 I just have to attend a 3-day anti-harassment course. 510 00:20:08,409 --> 00:20:11,828 Yes, me, too. See you there. 511 00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:13,050 Oh. 512 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:21,559 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com -