1 00:00:00,475 --> 00:00:02,314 Five years ago I was... 2 00:00:02,355 --> 00:00:05,714 convicted of a dreadful crime that I did not commit. 3 00:00:05,754 --> 00:00:08,634 Don't touch me! The whole town's going to know! 4 00:00:08,675 --> 00:00:10,234 You're saying that there's no way... 5 00:00:10,275 --> 00:00:12,835 ..that Matthew Taylor could have been his biological son. 6 00:00:15,154 --> 00:00:18,754 'You spread lies which grew, ' 7 00:00:18,795 --> 00:00:21,754 and ultimately landed Sally Wright in the dock 8 00:00:21,795 --> 00:00:23,234 and you in the witness box. 9 00:00:23,274 --> 00:00:25,274 They were together. I still believe that. 10 00:00:25,315 --> 00:00:27,114 You got the job. 11 00:00:27,155 --> 00:00:30,155 I let them wear me down, I let them convince me. 12 00:00:30,195 --> 00:00:32,954 But wasn't our fault. We never asked for any of this. 13 00:00:32,994 --> 00:00:35,554 You seem very concerned about her all of a sudden. 14 00:00:35,594 --> 00:00:37,755 But what about us? What about your own step daughter? 15 00:00:38,835 --> 00:00:40,954 Don't throw away the past. 16 00:00:40,994 --> 00:00:44,155 I was with a probationer, a lad called Aaron Holmes. 17 00:00:44,195 --> 00:00:45,515 And he'll confirm that? 18 00:00:46,835 --> 00:00:50,034 He's not yours. He never was. 19 00:00:51,354 --> 00:00:54,674 You come near Sam or my family again, 20 00:00:54,715 --> 00:00:56,594 I will destroy you! 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:04,074 www.OpenSubtitles.org 22 00:01:15,715 --> 00:01:19,075 A few weeks ago, we had a bust-up over a bill. 23 00:01:19,114 --> 00:01:22,635 He's come in tonight, I've lost my temper... 24 00:01:22,674 --> 00:01:24,635 we've had a bit of a ding-dong, that's it, really. 25 00:01:25,754 --> 00:01:27,355 So we have two other witnesses 26 00:01:27,394 --> 00:01:29,594 who say it was a completely unprovoked attack by him. 27 00:01:29,635 --> 00:01:31,594 Well, obviously, they didn't see the whole thing 28 00:01:31,635 --> 00:01:33,875 because that's not what happened. 29 00:01:33,915 --> 00:01:36,674 Look, like I said, I'm happy to leave it there. 30 00:01:42,754 --> 00:01:45,474 So, are you going to tell him? 31 00:01:45,515 --> 00:01:47,355 Sam? 32 00:01:47,394 --> 00:01:49,394 Cos this is scary, Sal. 33 00:01:49,435 --> 00:01:51,275 Doesn't matter if the back door was unlocked, 34 00:01:51,314 --> 00:01:53,875 to walk in to someone else's house and attack them... 35 00:01:53,915 --> 00:01:56,075 Right, yeah... So you either tell him, 36 00:01:56,114 --> 00:01:57,754 and get her to back the fuck off, 37 00:01:57,795 --> 00:02:00,275 or we go to the police. 38 00:02:02,594 --> 00:02:04,875 OK. 39 00:02:04,915 --> 00:02:07,795 Are you saying he hasn't been back at all in the last few hours? 40 00:02:07,834 --> 00:02:09,634 No. 41 00:02:09,675 --> 00:02:12,715 So, any idea why he would have done this? 42 00:02:14,514 --> 00:02:16,675 Mrs Taylor? No. 43 00:02:16,715 --> 00:02:18,715 No idea why he walks out of your house, 44 00:02:18,754 --> 00:02:20,474 just a few hours after we've interviewed him 45 00:02:20,514 --> 00:02:21,955 about Matthew's paternity, 46 00:02:21,995 --> 00:02:24,594 and seeks out and assaults a local publican? 47 00:02:27,875 --> 00:02:29,474 No. 48 00:02:29,514 --> 00:02:31,474 'Hi, this is Sam Wright. Please leave a message.' 49 00:02:32,794 --> 00:02:35,275 Hey, Sam, it's me. 50 00:02:35,314 --> 00:02:37,715 Can we meet? 51 00:02:42,074 --> 00:02:44,754 You've done your duty as a mate. 52 00:02:44,794 --> 00:02:45,794 We both have. 53 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:49,194 She needs to go. 54 00:02:50,474 --> 00:02:52,395 Today. 55 00:02:53,955 --> 00:02:56,594 OK. I am off. 56 00:02:56,634 --> 00:02:58,354 Have a good one. 57 00:02:58,395 --> 00:03:00,155 You too. And, Beth? 58 00:03:00,194 --> 00:03:02,354 Try and have a normal day today, please. 59 00:03:06,115 --> 00:03:09,995 Er... Yeah, Mum, I'd love to have normal day. 60 00:03:10,034 --> 00:03:13,194 It's hard when you have the amount of shit in your head that I do. 61 00:03:13,235 --> 00:03:15,555 Most of it put there by you! 62 00:03:23,395 --> 00:03:25,715 Hi. Oh, hi. 63 00:03:25,754 --> 00:03:27,634 Oh. 64 00:03:28,754 --> 00:03:30,875 Yeah. Well, erm... 65 00:03:32,435 --> 00:03:35,074 It's wooden floors so... 66 00:03:35,115 --> 00:03:36,875 Oh, Sal, I'm so sorry. It's OK. 67 00:03:36,914 --> 00:03:38,594 I mean, you don't have to go today. 68 00:03:38,634 --> 00:03:41,314 Jen, honestly, it's fine. 69 00:03:44,514 --> 00:03:46,354 Yeah, all very odd. 70 00:03:46,395 --> 00:03:48,131 My guess is it was about what we think it was. 71 00:03:48,155 --> 00:03:50,074 What, that Gary Walker is Matthew's father? 72 00:03:50,115 --> 00:03:52,634 And that he's never told his missus. 73 00:03:52,675 --> 00:03:55,314 Which obviously offers up some interesting possible motives 74 00:03:55,354 --> 00:03:57,955 for Walker too. Cos a lad turning up on the doorstep 75 00:03:57,995 --> 00:04:00,490 of your marital home one day and saying he's your long lost son, 76 00:04:00,514 --> 00:04:02,914 it's not exactly Davina McCall territory, is it? 77 00:04:03,995 --> 00:04:05,754 Has he got any form? First thing I checked, 78 00:04:05,794 --> 00:04:07,474 for a DNA match against Matty primarily, 79 00:04:07,514 --> 00:04:09,794 but no, sorry, nothing on PNC. 80 00:04:09,835 --> 00:04:12,194 OK, well, pull him in anyway. 81 00:04:12,235 --> 00:04:14,675 If you're right and he never told his missus, we can use that. 82 00:04:15,715 --> 00:04:19,595 Right, the gifts and presents found in Matthew's bedroom. 83 00:04:19,634 --> 00:04:22,394 These were all originally ascribed to Sally Wright. 84 00:04:22,435 --> 00:04:24,754 She always said she bought him the books but nothing else, 85 00:04:24,795 --> 00:04:26,514 so who was the rest of the stuff from? 86 00:04:26,555 --> 00:04:28,754 Obviously, a trawl was done in the first investigation 87 00:04:28,795 --> 00:04:31,634 to see if the item's purchaser could be identified, 88 00:04:31,675 --> 00:04:33,795 but give it another sweep, Mia, 89 00:04:33,834 --> 00:04:35,475 see what was missed. Guv. 90 00:04:35,514 --> 00:04:38,035 Er, Sam Wright's alibi, where are we on that? 91 00:04:38,074 --> 00:04:41,754 So, too long ago for any CCTV of his car being where he says it was, 92 00:04:41,795 --> 00:04:43,435 which was heading to see Aaron Holmes, 93 00:04:43,475 --> 00:04:46,714 and unfortunately, there's no phone mast records either. 94 00:04:46,754 --> 00:04:48,514 So it's going to be down to Holmes confirming 95 00:04:48,555 --> 00:04:50,314 he was definitely with him. Basically, yeah, 96 00:04:50,355 --> 00:04:52,675 I'm trying to arrange a time to see Aaron later this week. 97 00:04:52,714 --> 00:04:54,394 Good stuff. 98 00:04:54,435 --> 00:04:57,634 Lastly, John Taylor is still AWOL. 99 00:04:57,675 --> 00:04:59,555 I want him found, please. 100 00:05:05,915 --> 00:05:08,795 Oh, my God, Sal. That is awful. 101 00:05:08,834 --> 00:05:12,115 Yeah, and so they basically asked me to leave because of her. 102 00:05:12,154 --> 00:05:15,555 So can you speak to her? Tell her to calm down, 103 00:05:15,595 --> 00:05:19,274 reassure her that I'm not back here to "steal her man"? 104 00:05:19,314 --> 00:05:22,035 For what it's worth, and this is absolutely not 105 00:05:22,074 --> 00:05:24,595 any kind of an excuse, but... 106 00:05:24,634 --> 00:05:26,514 she is under a lot of pressure at the moment. 107 00:05:28,595 --> 00:05:31,194 I mean, Beth's not an easy child, never has been, 108 00:05:31,235 --> 00:05:34,995 and things have seriously... flared up again the last few months. 109 00:05:35,035 --> 00:05:36,875 This re-trial... 110 00:05:38,714 --> 00:05:41,514 ..seems to have really affected her and just, erm, 111 00:05:41,555 --> 00:05:46,514 well, it's caused Karen a huge amount of worry and... 112 00:05:46,555 --> 00:05:50,314 As I say, I'm not excusing her behaviour at all, 113 00:05:50,355 --> 00:05:53,435 I'm... I'm just saying, it's very out of character. 114 00:05:54,514 --> 00:05:55,915 Sure. 115 00:05:56,954 --> 00:06:00,035 Just so you know, actually, you might want to tell her this. 116 00:06:01,115 --> 00:06:03,314 Jen and Alf wanted to call the police. 117 00:06:03,355 --> 00:06:05,074 And I persuaded them not to. 118 00:06:06,555 --> 00:06:09,314 Right. Yeah. Wow. 119 00:06:09,355 --> 00:06:13,035 Well, on her behalf, thank you. 120 00:06:13,074 --> 00:06:16,074 PHONE CHIMES Oh, sorry. 121 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,700 _ 122 00:06:20,875 --> 00:06:23,115 Er... I've got to go. 123 00:06:25,035 --> 00:06:27,154 Right. 124 00:06:33,915 --> 00:06:37,675 Is there anything I can do, Sal? Oh, don't worry about me, 125 00:06:37,714 --> 00:06:39,954 I've got unlimited hot water between six and eight. 126 00:06:39,995 --> 00:06:41,514 I'm serious. 127 00:06:43,514 --> 00:06:46,394 Yeah, well, what do you think, Sam? 128 00:06:46,435 --> 00:06:49,154 Turn back time so it's me you're coming back to, 129 00:06:49,194 --> 00:06:51,314 to our lovely family home? 130 00:07:09,314 --> 00:07:11,475 I'm all right. 131 00:07:46,834 --> 00:07:48,954 They said you were like a mad man. 132 00:07:50,154 --> 00:07:53,355 Broke a bottle, had to be stopped from stabbing him wi' it. 133 00:07:55,394 --> 00:07:59,915 You know, even... even when you were at your most troubled, John, 134 00:07:59,954 --> 00:08:02,954 I stayed with you, because I thought that deep down, you were a good man. 135 00:08:04,915 --> 00:08:06,595 Decent, loving. 136 00:08:07,954 --> 00:08:09,394 Kind. 137 00:08:11,555 --> 00:08:13,675 Well, maybe I never really knew you. 138 00:08:17,394 --> 00:08:20,194 So, let me tell you where we are, Gary. 139 00:08:20,235 --> 00:08:24,154 We think that John Taylor's assault on you 140 00:08:24,194 --> 00:08:28,074 was almost certainly connected to the fact that Matthew Taylor... 141 00:08:28,115 --> 00:08:30,115 was your son. 142 00:08:30,154 --> 00:08:34,715 HE SCOFFS No, that's... Well, I... 143 00:08:34,754 --> 00:08:36,514 I don't know where you've got that from, 144 00:08:36,554 --> 00:08:38,715 but that's not true. No-one... 145 00:08:39,634 --> 00:08:40,995 ..not your wife... 146 00:08:43,154 --> 00:08:44,595 ..not your kids, 147 00:08:44,634 --> 00:08:46,955 need know what we've discussed here today, 148 00:08:46,995 --> 00:08:48,955 as long as we feel you're being straight with us. 149 00:08:49,995 --> 00:08:52,115 So I'm going to ask you again. 150 00:08:53,794 --> 00:08:56,235 Was Matthew Taylor your son? 151 00:08:58,475 --> 00:09:00,154 No, he wasn't. 152 00:09:00,195 --> 00:09:02,794 This is a murder investigation, Gary. 153 00:09:02,835 --> 00:09:05,475 Which means if he was your son, it's pertinent to our inquiry 154 00:09:05,514 --> 00:09:08,554 and that means we'll do everything in our power to prove that. 155 00:09:10,554 --> 00:09:13,794 We will pull... your house apart. 156 00:09:16,115 --> 00:09:18,274 We will pull your life apart, 157 00:09:18,315 --> 00:09:22,034 and every single person in this town will end up knowing why. 158 00:09:23,995 --> 00:09:25,914 But if you cooperate, we will do our best 159 00:09:25,955 --> 00:09:27,914 to keep it contained. 160 00:09:31,434 --> 00:09:33,434 Was he your son? 161 00:09:36,914 --> 00:09:38,835 Yeah. 162 00:09:41,434 --> 00:09:43,634 Thank you. 163 00:09:48,235 --> 00:09:50,715 Ow! 164 00:09:50,754 --> 00:09:52,754 Don't say anything, OK? 165 00:09:57,715 --> 00:09:59,674 What was that all about? 166 00:09:59,715 --> 00:10:01,875 Nothing. Was that Bethany Moss? 167 00:10:01,914 --> 00:10:05,115 I actually only found out a few months before Matty died. 168 00:10:05,154 --> 00:10:07,514 And how did you find out? 169 00:10:07,554 --> 00:10:10,514 Maria told me. Just came in the pub one day. 170 00:10:10,554 --> 00:10:13,715 Sorry, just going back, the original relationship with her, 171 00:10:13,754 --> 00:10:15,754 that was a serious thing, or...? 172 00:10:17,634 --> 00:10:20,115 A few weeks. 173 00:10:20,154 --> 00:10:21,715 A month at the most. 174 00:10:21,754 --> 00:10:23,955 And you were both married at that time? 175 00:10:25,914 --> 00:10:28,115 Her husband was away a lot, he was in the army. 176 00:10:30,634 --> 00:10:33,034 We had two little'uns 177 00:10:33,075 --> 00:10:35,794 so my missus would often go and stay at her mum's. 178 00:10:35,835 --> 00:10:37,835 It was the only time I ever... 179 00:10:39,634 --> 00:10:43,514 It's not who I am. OK, so scroll forward 16 years 180 00:10:43,554 --> 00:10:45,434 and Maria walks in to your pub and...? 181 00:10:45,475 --> 00:10:50,154 Apparently, John had found out and, God knows why, told the boy. 182 00:10:51,955 --> 00:10:53,914 So she felt that she had to tell me. 183 00:10:57,115 --> 00:11:00,674 And I was, erm... in shock. 184 00:11:00,715 --> 00:11:02,875 Obviously, I wanted to be decent about it all, 185 00:11:02,914 --> 00:11:05,754 to do the right thing by the boy, whatever that was, 186 00:11:05,794 --> 00:11:08,115 but I was also happily married. 187 00:11:08,154 --> 00:11:11,434 I knew that if I told her the truth, it would have messed all that up. 188 00:11:11,475 --> 00:11:12,995 And what happened then? 189 00:11:13,034 --> 00:11:15,875 Then Matty came by one night, just as I was locking up. 190 00:11:17,355 --> 00:11:21,235 And thank God Alison was away on a university trip with our eldest 191 00:11:21,274 --> 00:11:24,955 but... it was... awful. 192 00:11:24,995 --> 00:11:26,875 Why awful? 193 00:11:26,914 --> 00:11:28,835 This was my boy. 194 00:11:30,434 --> 00:11:33,195 And he was so upset and confused and... 195 00:11:37,154 --> 00:11:39,154 Just wanted to wrap my arms around him. 196 00:11:41,514 --> 00:11:43,394 Say sorry. 197 00:11:44,715 --> 00:11:48,034 What did he want? I think he was as confused as me. 198 00:11:50,195 --> 00:11:52,674 I mean, his dad had tried to stop him seeing me. 199 00:11:52,715 --> 00:11:55,115 Matthew told you that? Yeah. 200 00:11:55,154 --> 00:11:57,995 For a few weeks, I tried to meet up with him, 201 00:11:58,034 --> 00:12:00,355 to talk to him, help him through it all. 202 00:12:05,075 --> 00:12:07,315 Then it all got too much for me. 203 00:12:09,154 --> 00:12:12,034 Alison started to ask questions cos I kept disappearing. 204 00:12:13,634 --> 00:12:16,794 So I'm ashamed to say I told him that I couldn't see him any more. 205 00:12:18,274 --> 00:12:20,394 And how did he take that? 206 00:12:20,434 --> 00:12:22,235 Better than I thought. 207 00:12:24,434 --> 00:12:26,794 I told him that his real dad was the man that had raised 208 00:12:26,835 --> 00:12:28,514 and loved him for 16 years. 209 00:12:29,595 --> 00:12:31,595 Not me. 210 00:12:32,634 --> 00:12:34,315 OK. 211 00:12:35,355 --> 00:12:37,835 One last question, Gary. 212 00:12:39,475 --> 00:12:42,875 Where were you on the day your son was murdered? 213 00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:55,919 She said you gave her a dead arm. 214 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,200 Well, she was in my way, I asked her to move and she didn't, 215 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,360 so I pushed past her. 216 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:04,080 So she's lying, then? 217 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,039 It happens. 218 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,799 I had a look at your report card, Beth, 219 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,879 it's not the first incident like this in the last few months, is it? 220 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,360 And yet sitting here now, you don't seem like that sort of girl to me, 221 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:18,000 not really. 222 00:13:19,919 --> 00:13:22,279 Look, sometimes when we lash out about things, 223 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,799 it's actually because we're upset about something else. 224 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,480 What I'm saying is, I can arrange for you to speak with someone 225 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,720 from pastoral support, if you like. 226 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:39,600 I'm fine. Really? 227 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:40,639 Yeah. 228 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,440 We done? 229 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,120 Sure. 230 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,039 How long till he's sober? I think we can write off tonight. 231 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,360 Right, first thing, then. 232 00:13:59,399 --> 00:14:01,759 In the meantime, let's start chasing down Walker's alibi, 233 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,559 and let's get him printed. OK. 234 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,159 'I've Beth in tears upstairs.' 235 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,039 Why? Your ex. 236 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,200 What d'you mean "my ex"? She threatened her at school today, 237 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,600 apparently, with expulsion. What?! 238 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:17,279 Some kid lied that Beth had tried to hurt her. 239 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,120 And we're sure it couldn't be Beth lying? 240 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:23,919 Oh, here we go. Listen, I'm just saying... 241 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,440 You're always defending her. Er, she does have a bit of history 242 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,639 on that front. And of course, this is what she wants, 243 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:30,159 you and I at each other's throats. 244 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,679 What does that mean? 245 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,639 She wants to break up our family, Sam, 246 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:36,200 so she can get you back, she's obsessed with us. 247 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,279 Says the woman who broke into her house and attacked her. 248 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:42,879 Well, that was stupid... It was more than fucking stupid, 249 00:14:42,919 --> 00:14:45,919 Karen, it's actually scary. You stood in front of me yesterday 250 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,600 and lied, very convincingly, 251 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:50,279 about bloody Sal coming to the front door. 252 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,840 Look, look, we shouldn't be rowing. 253 00:14:59,879 --> 00:15:02,799 This is a really difficult situation for both of us. 254 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:06,120 But we can get through it, Sam, I know we can, 255 00:15:06,159 --> 00:15:09,360 if we just agree to be honest with each other. 256 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,919 Yeah. Yeah, you're right. 257 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,200 No more lies, from either of us. 258 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:48,500 _ 259 00:15:48,525 --> 00:15:50,600 _ 260 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,399 I'd done two tours in Kosovo. 261 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,759 When I came back from the second... 262 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:08,159 I wasn't in a good place. 263 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,960 I was drinking too much, 264 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,039 me and Maz were rowing all the time. 265 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,759 So when I left for a third tour... 266 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:20,919 ..I think she just needed someone to talk to, really. 267 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,759 Cut to 16 years later... 268 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,080 ..I'm at the doc's for a check-up on a cyst. 269 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:34,480 Yeah... 270 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,440 I learned I've been infertile all my life. 271 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,240 Which wasn't so good... 272 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:43,720 to find out everything you thought you knew about your family 273 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:45,159 was a lie. 274 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,320 Anyway... 275 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,320 she said the relationship had been brief. 276 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,720 A few weeks at the most. 277 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,960 She also swore she'd never told Walker that Matty was his, so... 278 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,360 really, if we kept it secret, it was like it never happened. 279 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:03,000 Which is easier to say than do. 280 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:04,960 Cos I was angry. 281 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,920 With her, obviously, with Walker, myself... 282 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,160 ..maybe even with Matty. 283 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,519 And it all came at the absolute worst time. 284 00:17:17,559 --> 00:17:19,519 Me and him had started arguing a lot. 285 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:23,559 He was going through a phase, I suppose, 286 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,000 trying to work out who he was. And then one day... 287 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000 ..after a particularly nasty row... 288 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:36,240 ..I told him that he wasn't mine. 289 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:41,279 Which is without question the worst thing I've ever done. 290 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:15,759 I mean, the second I said it I... 291 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,359 wished I could've taken it back, but I couldn't. 292 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,240 Did he get angry with you? With both of us. 293 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,119 And how did you respond? 294 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:28,480 Just... tried to calm him down, I suppose. 295 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:30,359 I mean... 296 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,400 I apologised repeatedly for telling him but... 297 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,119 I was pissed and in pieces myself, 298 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,440 I wasn't best placed to deal with it all. 299 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,000 Did it ever get physical? No. 300 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,680 Even though, as you said, you were both angry? 301 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:47,279 Before I said it, I was angry. 302 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:49,000 After, I was just ashamed. 303 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:52,519 Over the next few days... 304 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:55,519 ..things seemed to calm down a bit. 305 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:57,359 Talked about it all more. 306 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,640 Rationally, all three of us. 307 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,480 And in the end, he said he wanted to meet him. 308 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:06,599 How did that make you feel? Well, I'd created the situation, 309 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,559 so I wasn't going to stop him doing what he felt 310 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:10,319 he needed to do at that point. 311 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:16,119 So why d'you think that Matty might have told Gary Walker 312 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,160 that you did try to stop him going? 313 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,960 He's lying, I never stopped him. 314 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,000 D'you know how Walker reacted? He wasn't interested, apparently. 315 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:30,759 Saw Matt maybe a couple of times and then basically told him to fuck off. 316 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,559 How did Matty take that? He got pretty cross. 317 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:35,759 And then told me later that he threatened him. 318 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:38,799 Threatened him how? Telling his wife who he was. 319 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:42,519 And you never thought to mention that before? 320 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,720 Well, we all thought we knew who'd done it by then, didn't we? 321 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,696 John Taylor always said he was working at the time of the murder, 322 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,519 and his foreman confirmed that, but, I just... 323 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:57,279 Double check it, yeah? Yeah, will do. 324 00:19:57,319 --> 00:19:59,039 Oh, boss? Yeah? 325 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:01,640 A message from Sally Wright to call. OK. 326 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:09,480 Back in a bit. 327 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,400 So this is dated just four months before Matthew's murder. 328 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,279 And I'm guessing it got missed originally 329 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:33,319 because it's in Beth's files and not Matty's 330 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,000 and there was no obvious connection between the two, 331 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:38,279 but, my God, it should have been spotted. 332 00:20:38,319 --> 00:20:41,240 So how old would Beth have been at the time? 333 00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:42,799 14? 334 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:46,200 Sorry, but are you suggesting that a 14-year-old...? 335 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,400 Oh, look, I'm not suggesting anything, 336 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,880 I just wanted to give you the information. OK. 337 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,240 You will see from the file, Beth Moss had a lot 338 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:57,000 of pastoral input in the months, years after this. 339 00:20:57,039 --> 00:20:59,200 She's got a lot of behavioural issues. 340 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:03,400 Some of the notes suggest her mum was a piece of work too. 341 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:06,960 Karen Moss. 342 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,559 I think it said in the original file 343 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:10,920 that she was actually Matthew's social worker. 344 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,799 Really? Yeah. 345 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:14,480 Wow. 346 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,480 OK, er... I'll look into all this, 347 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:21,319 and I'll try and track down the teacher, 348 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,000 see if he can remember anything. OK. 349 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:26,559 And thank you for coming over, it make a real difference 350 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,799 having a human connection to the case, I appreciate it. 351 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,599 So... how are you doing? 352 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,599 Hm. 353 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:42,000 It's a journey. 354 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:45,920 Well, look, if you ever fancy a cry-off or... 355 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,759 tragedy top trumps, give me a shout, 356 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,960 we could grab a pizza maybe. I mean, 357 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,559 not as a... you know... just as... Thank you. 358 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,480 I probably need to get my head into a slightly better place 359 00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:00,480 to be even half decent company, 360 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:02,959 but when I feel a bit more sorted, yeah, I'd really like that. 361 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,039 Right, great. Erm... 362 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,680 I'll, er, I'll call you on this. Yeah. 363 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,680 Thanks, Sally. 364 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,680 Suzy. 'We've checked Walkers fingerprints 365 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,559 'against the bottle that killed Matty.' 366 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:29,039 And? We've got a match. 367 00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:31,200 I'll be right there. 368 00:22:34,879 --> 00:22:37,919 I sell Buckworth, I often stack the shelves myself 369 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,936 so if my prints were on the bottle that killed him, 370 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,599 all it means is... is that someone bought it from my pub. 371 00:22:42,639 --> 00:22:44,559 And by "someone" you mean? Anyone! Matthew? 372 00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:46,559 Look, how would I know? I've already said, 373 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:48,200 I was in London on the day that he died. 374 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,879 Yeah, we're still checking your alibi, 375 00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:52,216 but I want to go back over something you told us yesterday. 376 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,559 When you told Matthew you couldn't see him anymore, 377 00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:56,760 you said he was fine with that? Yes. 378 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,319 I mean, he was upset, of course, but he said that he understood. 379 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:01,879 So he didn't get angry with you? No. 380 00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:03,639 Didn't threaten you at all? No! 381 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,520 Didn't threaten to tell your wife who he was? 382 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:08,680 No. We have evidence to suggest that he did. 383 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200 Well, he didn't. Look, he... He didn't! 384 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:15,399 Look, I have let the boy down appallingly, 385 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,200 I've had endless sleepless nights wondering if my behaviour 386 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,399 in any way contributed to how his life ended, 387 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,639 but I swear, I didn't kill him! 388 00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:26,440 Yeah, yeah, I can hold, no problem. 389 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,680 And I wondered if I could ask you about a gift card purchase 390 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,480 made in a Keswick shop in 2015. 391 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,280 Yeah, that's right. 392 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:38,520 So we understand you taught in St Luke's school in Keswick in 2015, 393 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,575 and we just wanted to ask if we could have a brief chat 394 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:42,280 with you at some point... Hello, there. 395 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:44,079 Yeah, Mr Walker said he was in London, 396 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,040 in a meeting with your brewery, however, so far, 397 00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:48,240 he's been unable to find any emails confirming that. 398 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,176 So I was just wondering if there was any other way 399 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,559 of confirming his presence there? Any internal mails... 400 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,960 ..or old desk diaries, that kind of thing. 401 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,520 I'm sorry, can I call you back in two minutes? 402 00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,680 Right, thanks, bye. 403 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,040 I'm so sorry, it was a genuine mistake, 404 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:10,559 I had two guys with the surname Taylor. 405 00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:13,919 working on that job. John Taylor, obviously... 406 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,800 ..but also a Thomas Taylor. 407 00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:20,319 And looking back at it, on that specific day, 408 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,879 what I thought then was a J, for John... 409 00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:28,599 I now think... might be a T. You think? 410 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,639 It is. Right, so... 411 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,559 you can actually provide no definite alibi 412 00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:37,480 for John Taylor on the day of the murder? 413 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,159 Well, when you asked first time round, he wasn't a suspect, so... 414 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,960 I never really double checked. 415 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,639 But what I do know, is he adored that boy. 416 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,720 And I can't believe for a minute 417 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,919 he would ever have hurt a hair on his head. 418 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:12,800 Where were you actually? Around town. 419 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,359 After I ran out of money, 420 00:25:15,399 --> 00:25:18,040 wherever I've thought I could scrounge a can. 421 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:19,879 Were you ever in Clement Park? 422 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Yes. Which we know from the original investigation, 423 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,559 Matty was seen walking through, just an hour 424 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,280 before his estimated time of death. 425 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,000 So did you see him? Yes. 426 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,159 Did you talk to him? 427 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:38,760 Yes. 428 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,079 Did you row? 429 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,000 Yes. Did you then follow him? 430 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,720 Why don't you just ask me? Did I kill him? 431 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,879 Did you? 432 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,319 Well, it was my defect that meant we couldn't have a child. 433 00:25:58,399 --> 00:26:01,280 My drinking that caused Maria's infidelity. 434 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,359 My weakness that made me tell Matty he wasn't my boy. 435 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,559 Now I don't know how exactly all that led to his death... 436 00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,359 ..but I'm pretty sure in some way it did. 437 00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:18,599 So, no, I didn't follow him, 438 00:26:18,639 --> 00:26:21,440 and I never laid a hand on him that day. 439 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,839 But, yeah, I think in some way, with my failings... 440 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,200 ..I did kill him. 441 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,639 So you just describe a bullying incident involving Matty and Beth, 442 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,839 do you remember any more detail, or...? 443 00:26:34,879 --> 00:26:39,760 Er, it was to do with him having stayed at her house once. 444 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,399 Her mum was a duty social worker. Er, this was Karen Moss? 445 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,200 Mm-hm, and she'd had him stay over for a couple of nights 446 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,839 after he'd had a row with his dad. 447 00:26:48,879 --> 00:26:50,680 From what I could glean from him, 448 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,079 he'd then seen Beth talking to some friends at school about it. 449 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,319 OK, and he didn't like that? 450 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,800 I think basically he felt that Beth had seen him 451 00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:02,000 at his most vulnerable, so, no, he didn't like it at all. 452 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,280 And Matty Taylor was not a boy you wanted to cross. 453 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,639 He was whip smart, super articulate, and he could be cruel, 454 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,639 verbally, I mean. 455 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,879 Very cruel. Right. 456 00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:15,639 And did you get the impression this was an isolated incident 457 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,919 or do you think that...? Well, they were both 458 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,919 pretty reluctant to discuss it, particularly her. 459 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960 But if I had to put money on it, I would say no, 460 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,639 no, it wasn't. 461 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,000 Loads on the school system about Bethany Moss 462 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,760 over the last five years. 463 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,520 Depression issues, anxiety issues, and then I found this. 464 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:39,919 On the 8th June 2015, just two days before Matty's murder, 465 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,639 she's admitted to St Mary's General, having taken, 466 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,040 an accidental overdose of her mum's codeine. 467 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:47,240 Accidental? Her mum told the hospital 468 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,520 she'd thought they were over-the-counter herbal pills 469 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,159 she sometimes gave her for stress. And how many did she take? 470 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,359 Six. Who takes six stress pills? 471 00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:57,760 Well, the notes say on previous occasions she'd taken two. 472 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,639 Her mum told the hospital that on this occasion she'd taken four, 473 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,159 then got confused and then taken another two. 474 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,480 MUTTERING Yeah, me neither. 475 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,480 Which got me thinking. 476 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,480 If that was my kid, and I thought Matty Taylor's bullying 477 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,200 was to blame for a suicide attempt... 478 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,815 Particularly when she'd given the lad a bed for a couple of nights 479 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,159 just a few months prior. OK, great work. 480 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,680 OK, I think we need a chat with Mum. Yeah. 481 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,839 And you never heard of any bullying incident involving Matthew Taylor? 482 00:28:25,879 --> 00:28:27,720 No, sorry. 483 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,440 And Bethany would say the same, would she, if we asked her? 484 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,599 Of course. 485 00:28:32,639 --> 00:28:35,000 So... would you tell us, 486 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,879 if you don't mind, about the incident 487 00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:40,960 that led you to taking your daughter to St Mary's General, 488 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,280 two days before Matthew died? 489 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,879 Er, so, I'd been taking codeine for some back pain I'd been having, 490 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,839 and I'd very stupidly put the blister of pills 491 00:28:52,879 --> 00:28:54,599 in the same cupboard as some herbal pills 492 00:28:54,639 --> 00:28:56,879 I sometimes gave Beth for stress. 493 00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:00,440 She'd had a bad day at school, 494 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,319 and before I got home from work, 495 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,680 she'd gone to the cupboard, 496 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,240 got the wrong pills out, and taken a couple. 497 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,520 She was absolutely fine, I just took her to hospital as a precaution. 498 00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:15,240 Right. 499 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,800 According to the hospital notes, 500 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,760 she took six codeine tablets 501 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,079 totalling 180 milligrams. 502 00:29:25,159 --> 00:29:28,240 Which is a potentially fatal dose for a child. 503 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,879 Mm. 504 00:29:33,879 --> 00:29:36,079 We were very lucky. 505 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,680 So the bad day that she'd had, what was that about? 506 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,159 Oh, God, I don't remember. 507 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,559 Really? 508 00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,760 Well, she's quite an anxious child so... 509 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,559 So it was nothing to do with Matthew Taylor? 510 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,919 No. He hadn't continued to bully her? 511 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,200 No, she never mentioned anything like that to me. 512 00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:05,000 If a lad had done that to my child, bullied her to the point 513 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,200 of taking an overdose... There wasn't an overdose. 514 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,855 Especially a kid I'd let in to my own home... 515 00:30:08,879 --> 00:30:11,879 It wasn't an overdose. ..I don't know what I might do. 516 00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:16,760 I don't know, just something suggesting 517 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,159 that both Karen and Beth are now suspects. 518 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,839 I can't do that, Sally! Why not? 519 00:30:21,879 --> 00:30:24,319 Because I just... I can't just make shit up. 520 00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:25,960 But you're a journalist. 521 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,520 Funny. No, come on, 522 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,760 you saw what the tabloids wrote about me. 523 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,359 Well, exactly, it'd be a bit ironic 524 00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:36,040 if we now started to publish random, wild theories, 525 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,520 particularly about a school kid. Oh, she's 19. 526 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,720 Sal... All I'm asking you to do, Jen, 527 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,456 is put their names out there and see what comes back from your readers, 528 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,159 and that's exactly what you did with me... 529 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,520 Even if I agreed with you, that is not how you do things! 530 00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,040 You owe me, Jenny! 531 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,919 You owe me. 532 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,879 In fact, this whole fucking town owes me. 533 00:30:54,919 --> 00:30:57,919 Sal, what you went through, 534 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,359 that anger you must feel, every day, for what you lost... 535 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:02,680 I didn't lose any thing! 536 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,919 I lost nothing! 537 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,200 It was taken away from me, it was fucking... 538 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,359 stolen from me! 539 00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:14,800 I completely get it, OK. But this? 540 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,839 This is not the way forward. 541 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,119 This is not going to make you feel any better. 542 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,480 Then what is then, Jen?! 543 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,040 I mean it. 544 00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,240 You need to be honest with me, Karen, you really do. 545 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,960 He had been so horrible to her. 546 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,280 For nearly four months, she told me afterwards. 547 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,000 And for no reason. 548 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,359 He thought she'd talked about the nights he'd spent here 549 00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:49,839 but she hadn't. 550 00:31:49,879 --> 00:31:52,480 And it didn't matter how many times she told him that she hadn't, 551 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,720 he still went at her. Every day. 552 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,760 For 16 weeks solid, he made her life a complete misery. 553 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,760 And I came home late from work one day 554 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,520 and found her lying on her bed, half unconscious. 555 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,879 And at the hospital, she told me... 556 00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:16,240 that it was an accident, but I knew it wasn't. 557 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,040 And then the next morning, she finally told me... 558 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,480 what Matty had be subjecting her to. 559 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,079 The next day, I left her with my mum 560 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,800 and I went to speak to him at his house. 561 00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:37,000 But he wasn't there, it was just his mum. 562 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,399 And you spoke to her? I did, but I... 563 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,639 I said it was work related, I just wanted a general catch-up. 564 00:32:45,639 --> 00:32:46,639 And then I left. 565 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,159 And that's all that happened, I promise. 566 00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:58,520 I don't believe you. 567 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,440 I promise. 568 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,960 You need to tell me the truth, Karen, now, 569 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,159 or I swear I'm walking out that fucking door 570 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,359 and you'll never see me again. 571 00:33:17,639 --> 00:33:20,599 On my way back from his mum's, I saw him in the street. 572 00:33:20,639 --> 00:33:23,879 And? And I wanted to walk past. 573 00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:28,240 Because by this point, I'd realised that what I was doing was wrong, 574 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,440 and it could cost me my job, 575 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,879 so I went to walk past but then he saw me, 576 00:33:32,919 --> 00:33:36,480 and it was him who stopped, and it was him who started shouting at me, 577 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,240 drunk, and saying stuff about Beth, 578 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,720 laughing about what a "fat, ugly pig" she was 579 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,040 and something inside me just snapped 580 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:45,800 and I, I... I lost it a bit, I admit that. 581 00:33:50,639 --> 00:33:54,520 And so I crossed over and I shouted right back at him. 582 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,720 I might even have grabbed him, I can't remember, 583 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200 it was all a bit of a blur, and... but, but, then I realised 584 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,800 that I was being very stupid, 585 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:08,120 and I turned and walked away. And that really is it. 586 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,680 And you didn't follow him? Absolutely not. 587 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,879 OK. 588 00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:19,640 You have to tell the police, Karen. 589 00:34:20,919 --> 00:34:23,479 What? You have to tell the police. 590 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,439 I'm not telling the police. If you grabbed hold of him, 591 00:34:28,479 --> 00:34:31,160 if you had any contact with him at all, 592 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,120 they might have found some stuff on his body 593 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,439 that can connect you to him. Hairs, fibres, whatever. 594 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:44,839 So... you need to tell them what actually happened. 595 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:49,240 Because if they find all this out for themselves, 596 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,720 I mean, they could come to all the wrong conclusions. 597 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,080 No. 598 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,359 You have to tell them, love, you have to. 599 00:35:03,279 --> 00:35:05,000 There you go. Lovely, thanks. 600 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,040 Have a good day. 601 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,639 Hello. 'Hey, Sally. 602 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:20,639 'Just wondering why you didn't mention...' 603 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:22,839 Bethany's mother is with your ex-husband? 604 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520 Because I didn't think that was relevant. 'Right.' 605 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,719 'But now you mention it, I'm sorry, 606 00:35:30,759 --> 00:35:32,960 'yes, maybe I should have.' OK. 607 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,839 'Maybe, let me be the judge of what is or isn't relevant.' 608 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,080 Bye, Sally. 609 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,480 Hey. 610 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:16,880 It was never meant to end like it did. 611 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,319 And how was it meant to end? 612 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,960 Was there really nothing going on between you, ever? 613 00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,920 No, Anna, never. 614 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,360 Never. 615 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,600 The thing is, I did genuinely believe there was. 616 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,920 That's... that's the only reason I made the kiss up. 617 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,560 To get you sacked so it would stop. 618 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,199 And then he was killed. 619 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,239 And everything suddenly moved so fast. 620 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,319 So, I am... 621 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,520 ..sorry. 622 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,319 But least one of us is free now. 623 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,880 Hiya, Dave, everything OK? Yeah, sorry to call so late, boss. 624 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,360 But Mills Brewery have forwarded four emails 625 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,639 confirming Gary Walker arrived for a meeting 626 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:47,279 in their Hammersmith office at 4pm on the day of the murder. 627 00:37:47,319 --> 00:37:49,119 Now, the meeting lasts an hour, 628 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,480 and it's approximately five hours door to door 629 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,880 back to the murder scene. 630 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,080 Right, so he's completely in the clear. 631 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,239 Yeah, looks like it. 632 00:37:57,279 --> 00:37:59,239 All right, thanks for letting me know, mate. 633 00:37:59,279 --> 00:38:01,159 All right, bye. 634 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,080 Right, so what I don't understand 635 00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,279 is how can a kid with those kind of issues 636 00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:23,480 not appear on the radar of social services? 637 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,839 Or at the very least an ed pysch department? 638 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,040 I don't know, but Karen Moss would have had access 639 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,400 to her daughter's records in her professional capacity. 640 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,360 What, you think she could have deleted them? 641 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,360 Why not, if they suggested some sort of trail back to Matty Taylor? 642 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,319 Er, sorry to interrupt, Boss. 643 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,440 Sam Wright's downstairs, says he needs to speak to you. 644 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,080 Cheers. 645 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,679 Right, see you in a bit. 646 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,839 Hey. Hi, Sam Wright. 647 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,759 DCI Braithwaite. Thanks, Grace. 648 00:39:52,799 --> 00:39:54,960 Do you want to, er... Yeah. 649 00:39:57,279 --> 00:39:59,920 OK, I know... 650 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:04,159 Unequivocally, I know that my fiancee would never hurt a fly. 651 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,560 But, er... 652 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,199 she's not been entirely honest with you. 653 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,000 For very understandable reasons, 654 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,239 she thinks you would put two and two together and make five. 655 00:40:16,279 --> 00:40:18,080 But I think she's wrong to think that. 656 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,679 So after a long discussion with her... 657 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,600 and she's across all of this... 658 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,600 ..I am here to tell you the truth. 659 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,880 So, just to confirm, 660 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,759 as per your original witness statement, Mr Holmes, 661 00:40:45,799 --> 00:40:50,960 approximately 5:35 to 5:50, 662 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,319 Mr Wright was with you in a probation meeting 663 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,639 in your flat in Castleton. Yeah. 664 00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:02,639 Are you double checking everyone or just Sam Wright? 665 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,480 Yeah, well, no, I just wanted to confirm 666 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,960 how many that you were asked to check? 667 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,480 'Four.' Definitely? Four? 668 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,279 'Yeah, yeah, I have the original notes in front of me, 669 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:21,119 'four cards, all, unfortunately for you guys, 670 00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,279 'paid for with cash.' Yeah, no, well, so, listen, 671 00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:26,480 I mean, it looks like it was a bollocks this end 672 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,040 and there were actually five cards, 673 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,719 two were stuck together. 674 00:41:30,759 --> 00:41:34,040 Erm, anyways, so if I... if I give you all five numbers now, 675 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,815 whichever one is not on your list, can you check it out for me, please? 676 00:41:36,839 --> 00:41:40,639 'Yeah, sure.' So, OK, "DF45..." 677 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,040 No. I had no encounter with him. 678 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239 Right, so, why do you think 679 00:42:02,279 --> 00:42:06,560 your fiancee... told me that you did? 680 00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:19,880 Erm... I have no idea why he'd say such a thing. 681 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,440 Well, we've also just spoken to Maria Taylor, 682 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,000 and she has now confirmed she remembers you knocking on her door 683 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,440 that day, asking after her son. 684 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,279 Despite never having mentioned this before. 685 00:42:29,319 --> 00:42:31,480 Well, she was obviously in a state of shock, 686 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,719 right after her son was brutally murdered. 687 00:42:34,799 --> 00:42:37,119 By the time she'd started to think at all rationally, 688 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,560 Sally Wright had been charged. 689 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,800 It never occurred to her to mention a 30-second exchange 690 00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:43,440 on her doorstep with his social worker. 691 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,639 Well, she's lying. Cos I didn't go looking for him. 692 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,279 It would be perfectly understandable, Karen, 693 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:55,000 for you to have been mad with Matthew. 694 00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,960 I mean, what would any of us do to protect our children? 695 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,279 Maybe this was just a moment of madness. 696 00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:07,360 No. 697 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,239 I never saw him that day. 698 00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:18,440 There are numerous fibres taken from Matthew's clothing after he died. 699 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,560 Hitherto unidentified hairs caught up in his school jumper and coat. 700 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,560 Would you be happy for us check those against you? 701 00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:26,400 Yeah. 702 00:43:30,839 --> 00:43:32,360 Right hand. 703 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,839 I don't know what to say any more, Sally. 704 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,560 I've just got so much wrong and... 705 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,560 I wonder if you can ever forgive me. 706 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,480 Come in. 707 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,199 'Hi, this is Sam Wright. Please leave a message.' 708 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,600 All right, mate? 709 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:42,279 It's Aaron... Holmes. Remember me? 710 00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,679 Listen, fella, give us a call some time, will ya? 711 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,080 I think we need to have a little chat. 712 00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:02,500 *CREDITS*