1 00:00:08,956 --> 00:00:10,489 A teenager's diary. 2 00:00:10,544 --> 00:00:12,605 - It's not an easy read, is it? - No. 3 00:00:12,817 --> 00:00:13,965 We have a DNA match 4 00:00:13,997 --> 00:00:15,317 from the window that you smashed. 5 00:00:15,364 --> 00:00:18,060 I'd been in there the previous evening, seen the silverware, 6 00:00:18,122 --> 00:00:20,420 it was an utterly shameful thing to do. 7 00:00:20,460 --> 00:00:21,500 It's finished me. 8 00:00:21,590 --> 00:00:24,110 She's kicked me out, Jamie, can I kip at yours for a bit? 9 00:00:24,184 --> 00:00:25,902 Find a hotel like a normal person! 10 00:00:25,943 --> 00:00:28,078 You might want to just want consider something though, 11 00:00:28,132 --> 00:00:30,156 I know stuff about your boy. 12 00:00:30,218 --> 00:00:32,012 Eliot Hollis. He was about to turn 16. 13 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:35,460 Two arrests, and one for stealing his dad's car. 14 00:00:35,542 --> 00:00:37,702 We should prioritise Chris Lowe right now. 15 00:00:37,742 --> 00:00:40,394 He'd used his credit card to visit child abuse websites. 16 00:00:40,433 --> 00:00:43,100 Is there anywhere you and Asif can go and stay 17 00:00:43,140 --> 00:00:44,660 that Christopher doesn't know about? 18 00:00:44,913 --> 00:00:46,675 Your mum, she's now threatened 19 00:00:46,700 --> 00:00:49,310 to go to the police with evidence of some wrongdoing 20 00:00:49,335 --> 00:00:50,685 I've apparently committed. 21 00:00:50,710 --> 00:00:54,687 He abused me. Mentally, physically, sometimes even sexually. 22 00:00:54,755 --> 00:00:56,515 And that's not a violent man? 23 00:00:56,540 --> 00:00:58,900 Feel like I'm slightly losing the plot. 24 00:00:58,959 --> 00:01:01,159 You're just tired, it makes everything seem worse. 25 00:01:01,210 --> 00:01:03,772 I wish to apologise to Mr Carr, and his family, 26 00:01:03,808 --> 00:01:05,968 we will be seeking prosecution 27 00:01:06,020 --> 00:01:10,900 for any online activity that seeks to incite violence against Mr Carr. 28 00:01:11,214 --> 00:01:12,218 Peter Carr? 29 00:01:25,577 --> 00:01:27,857 ? All we do is hide away 30 00:01:29,460 --> 00:01:32,100 ? All we do is All we do is hide away 31 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:35,420 ? All we do is lie in wait 32 00:01:36,918 --> 00:01:40,238 ? All we do is All we do is lie in wait 33 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:44,014 ? I've been upside-down 34 00:01:44,552 --> 00:01:48,152 ? I don't wanna be the right way round 35 00:01:48,272 --> 00:01:51,792 ? Can't find paradise on the ground. ? 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,500 *CREDITS* 37 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:05,260 Over here! 38 00:02:12,460 --> 00:02:14,300 Well, we all mess up, we're all fallible, 39 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:16,895 we've all done things of which we are ashamed. 40 00:02:17,285 --> 00:02:19,418 The trick in life, I think... 41 00:02:19,740 --> 00:02:20,860 is knowing which things 42 00:02:20,966 --> 00:02:23,629 we should forgive ourselves for, and which not. 43 00:02:23,957 --> 00:02:26,500 Except I'm not sure it really is that. 44 00:02:26,700 --> 00:02:29,940 Suspect is a white male, mid-40s, wearing a navy top 45 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:31,420 and a grey baseball cap. 46 00:02:31,620 --> 00:02:33,140 Last seen walking toward Burleigh Road, 47 00:02:33,340 --> 00:02:35,500 witnesses said he had a knife in his hand. Over. 48 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:37,220 I think a part of me wonders 49 00:02:37,420 --> 00:02:40,580 if I'm just coming to a natural conclusion here. 50 00:02:40,740 --> 00:02:43,575 I've been doing this for... 28 years? 51 00:02:45,940 --> 00:02:47,580 There are other things to do in life. 52 00:02:49,897 --> 00:02:51,217 Not like this. 53 00:02:51,539 --> 00:02:53,659 So why did you retire? 54 00:02:53,684 --> 00:02:56,355 I didn't retire. I was A19-ed. 55 00:02:56,544 --> 00:02:58,544 - In the cutbacks. - Ah. 56 00:02:58,682 --> 00:03:01,602 The truth is, what I did, what you still do, 57 00:03:02,082 --> 00:03:05,355 when you lose it, you realise what a privilege it was. 58 00:03:05,535 --> 00:03:06,830 To be able to help people, 59 00:03:06,885 --> 00:03:09,045 often at the very worst moment of their lives, 60 00:03:09,087 --> 00:03:11,367 to find faith in the world again. 61 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:15,145 Cos I genuinely believe that's a big part of what we do. 62 00:03:15,403 --> 00:03:17,968 Restore a little shape, a little order, 63 00:03:17,993 --> 00:03:19,673 a little meaning to the world. 64 00:03:20,114 --> 00:03:23,194 I mean, not so much on traffic duty, but, erm... 65 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:32,707 - And obviously Naked Gun. - Yeah, oh, say, Naked Gun. 66 00:03:32,756 --> 00:03:33,756 Midnight Run? 67 00:03:33,792 --> 00:03:36,160 Oh, man, Midnight Run. Yep. Definitely. 68 00:03:36,258 --> 00:03:37,817 And Fargo would be on there. 69 00:03:37,841 --> 00:03:39,721 - "You're darn tootin'!" - "OK, hun!" 70 00:03:41,516 --> 00:03:44,457 His BP and stats are very low now. 71 00:03:44,852 --> 00:03:46,972 Get me four units of red cells... 72 00:03:47,660 --> 00:03:50,740 Well, that was a great evening, thank you. 73 00:03:51,838 --> 00:03:54,238 I'd really like to do it again sometime. 74 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:56,639 Yeah, me too. 75 00:03:57,271 --> 00:03:59,191 All right, this is me. 76 00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:07,700 Well, anyway... 77 00:04:08,740 --> 00:04:10,220 ..good night, then. 78 00:04:14,780 --> 00:04:15,780 Good night. 79 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:25,100 Yes, it went very well, and no, I didn't snog him. 80 00:04:25,300 --> 00:04:27,300 Sorry, boss, that's not what I was ringing about. 81 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:29,780 - What? - Pete Carr. 82 00:04:29,980 --> 00:04:32,660 He's been attacked outside his office. Stabbed. 83 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:33,980 Oh, no! 84 00:04:35,700 --> 00:04:37,620 They say he's gonna be OK, but... 85 00:04:38,860 --> 00:04:40,460 No, no! 86 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:56,180 He still had the knife on him when they nicked him. 87 00:04:56,340 --> 00:04:57,500 Who was he? 88 00:04:57,660 --> 00:04:59,180 Some local nutjob. 89 00:04:59,340 --> 00:05:00,780 Links to far-right groups, 90 00:05:00,980 --> 00:05:03,220 got geed up by all the online paedophile stuff. 91 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:06,540 - So we go after all those... fuckers. - Absolutely. 92 00:05:12,064 --> 00:05:14,664 _ 93 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:21,980 She's exaggerating. Tim and I were out for about 45 minutes, 94 00:05:22,140 --> 00:05:23,420 and Pete just went down the pub. 95 00:05:23,460 --> 00:05:24,540 And Chris Lowe? 96 00:05:24,740 --> 00:05:26,796 I don't know where Chris went, you'd have to ask him. 97 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:29,580 But you accept you were all out of the house 98 00:05:29,780 --> 00:05:32,220 at various points between 9pm and midnight? 99 00:05:32,420 --> 00:05:34,300 - Yes. - So why did you lie? 100 00:05:34,500 --> 00:05:36,980 I would have thought that had become blindingly obvious. 101 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:38,780 I thought there was a very good chance 102 00:05:38,980 --> 00:05:40,540 anything I told you would be leaked, 103 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:42,940 and given my best friend is now in intensive care, 104 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:44,300 entirely because of you, 105 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:46,380 I think I had pretty good reason to be nervous. 106 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:52,900 Can we move on to your car, Mr Hollis? 107 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:56,100 Which, in fact, matches exactly the description 108 00:05:56,300 --> 00:05:59,284 of a car seen driving erratically at approximately 12:20am 109 00:05:59,460 --> 00:06:01,300 on the morning that Hayley went missing. 110 00:06:01,500 --> 00:06:03,660 And how many dark saloons with trailer bars 111 00:06:03,700 --> 00:06:05,380 would there be in the Hardy area? 112 00:06:05,580 --> 00:06:07,100 We didn't ask your opinion, Miss Gray. 113 00:06:07,260 --> 00:06:08,660 Although she's right. 114 00:06:08,860 --> 00:06:11,660 But I suspect even my ex-wife will confirm I was in the house 115 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:13,300 in bed at 12:20am. 116 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:21,180 How old was your son... 117 00:06:22,180 --> 00:06:24,140 ..that New Year's Eve, James? 118 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:26,860 How old was Eliot? 119 00:06:28,940 --> 00:06:30,220 15. 120 00:06:31,700 --> 00:06:34,100 Actually, only a few weeks off 16, I believe. 121 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:38,100 And sadly, quite a troubled young man, it seems. 122 00:06:38,260 --> 00:06:40,540 Already arrested twice, 123 00:06:40,700 --> 00:06:42,100 for possession of cannabis, 124 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:44,140 once for ecstasy, 125 00:06:44,340 --> 00:06:47,620 and just one month before New Year's Eve 1999, 126 00:06:47,820 --> 00:06:50,620 for stealing his dad's car and driving it whilst drunk. 127 00:06:50,820 --> 00:06:52,980 Which is why I have to ask you, James... 128 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:56,780 ..did Eliot take your car that night? 129 00:06:56,940 --> 00:06:58,300 No. 130 00:06:58,460 --> 00:07:00,580 Maybe he came across Hayley, 131 00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:03,620 maybe hitch-hiking somewhere, picked her up? 132 00:07:03,820 --> 00:07:07,100 Something happened between them, something went wrong... 133 00:07:07,260 --> 00:07:08,780 Eliot's never hurt a fly. 134 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:10,300 Maybe it was an accident. 135 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:12,660 The car was seen to be driving erratically. 136 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:14,320 Maybe he was drunk, maybe he knocked 137 00:07:14,345 --> 00:07:15,964 her down, it was a dark, wet night. 138 00:07:16,100 --> 00:07:17,940 But in either instance, 139 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:19,220 you found out. 140 00:07:19,420 --> 00:07:21,580 And agreed to drive the body back up to London 141 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:23,900 to obscure your son's involvement. 142 00:07:24,100 --> 00:07:26,060 The idea that I would drive the dead body 143 00:07:26,260 --> 00:07:28,420 of a young girl my son had killed, to London, 144 00:07:28,460 --> 00:07:30,100 is... 145 00:07:30,260 --> 00:07:34,020 as absurd as it is abhorrent. 146 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:36,700 Then can we ask you why, when we first interviewed you, 147 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:39,260 you referred to your son as a "little boy"? 148 00:07:40,780 --> 00:07:43,020 - A turn of phrase. - Really? 149 00:07:43,180 --> 00:07:44,420 We think it was deliberate. 150 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:47,500 We think that you didn't want us to even consider the idea 151 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:50,260 that there was effectively another adult in the house that night. 152 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:51,340 I don't want my client 153 00:07:51,540 --> 00:07:53,900 answering any more questions about his son. 154 00:07:54,100 --> 00:07:56,100 So unless you have any actual evidence, 155 00:07:56,300 --> 00:07:58,940 rather than shot-in-the-dark theories, I think we're done here. 156 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:02,100 OK. 157 00:08:07,660 --> 00:08:08,940 Henry. 158 00:08:10,220 --> 00:08:14,860 We spoke to Maria. Pete's conscious and talking. 159 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:19,820 - Stay strong, fella, stay strong. - Yeah, you too. 160 00:08:23,220 --> 00:08:25,940 It was stupid, and I apologise. 161 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:28,500 A case of misguided loyalty. 162 00:08:28,660 --> 00:08:30,540 Misguided loyalty to who? 163 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:33,220 Jamie. 164 00:08:33,420 --> 00:08:37,060 He rang us all after he'd first been interviewed by you, 165 00:08:37,260 --> 00:08:41,220 and he said he told you that we all stayed in that night. 166 00:08:42,740 --> 00:08:45,860 The inference I took was that we should all say the same. 167 00:08:46,060 --> 00:08:48,020 Why do you think he wanted you to lie? 168 00:08:49,220 --> 00:08:51,980 At first I thought it was because of his profile 169 00:08:52,180 --> 00:08:54,500 that he didn't want the press latching onto him. 170 00:08:55,860 --> 00:08:58,020 And, yeah, I was happy to go along with that, 171 00:08:58,060 --> 00:09:00,660 because I didn't for a nanosecond believe there was any... 172 00:09:02,380 --> 00:09:04,180 ..darker motive. 173 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:08,620 Except then yesterday Pete rang me. 174 00:09:08,780 --> 00:09:10,140 Pete Carr. 175 00:09:11,940 --> 00:09:14,580 And he told me something about Jamie's son. 176 00:09:14,740 --> 00:09:16,450 Told you what? 177 00:09:17,140 --> 00:09:20,940 He said he'd seen Eliot climbing into the house 178 00:09:21,497 --> 00:09:23,220 through a first-floor window 179 00:09:23,260 --> 00:09:25,940 at around two in the morning on New Year's Day. 180 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:41,837 OK, so where are we with Eliot Hollis? 181 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:43,340 Still looking for him. 182 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:44,620 But for what it's worth, 183 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:46,700 I just pulled this off an online employment site 184 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:48,180 which he signed up to in 2007, 185 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:50,837 when he was living in the States with his dad. 186 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:54,376 It details holiday work on a building site in the UK, so... 187 00:09:54,845 --> 00:09:58,220 OK. Let's check James Hollis's car, 188 00:09:58,420 --> 00:10:00,420 the BMW, I wanna see its service history. 189 00:10:00,446 --> 00:10:02,813 Maybe speak to the ex again, check their bank statements, 190 00:10:02,838 --> 00:10:03,918 insurance companies. 191 00:10:03,965 --> 00:10:06,365 I want to know if the car had any bodywork repairs done 192 00:10:06,397 --> 00:10:08,717 in the months immediately after Hayley died. 193 00:10:13,335 --> 00:10:15,560 I just wanna say I'm sorry, Pete. 194 00:10:16,940 --> 00:10:19,740 I was angry, and... shocked... 195 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:23,940 ..but I also know in my heart you're a good man. 196 00:10:25,340 --> 00:10:28,724 Yeah, you've done some silly things, we both know that, but... 197 00:10:31,140 --> 00:10:32,300 ..you're a good man. 198 00:10:33,380 --> 00:10:35,740 And I want you to hear that I know that. 199 00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:42,020 Basically, I think Hayley used a sort of code, 200 00:10:42,180 --> 00:10:43,620 in her diary, 201 00:10:43,820 --> 00:10:45,460 I'm guessing for if her mum read it, 202 00:10:45,660 --> 00:10:47,620 so she wouldn't know what she was referring to. 203 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:49,900 So, first up, 204 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:52,820 when she has sex, I think she calls it "tea". 205 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:55,300 And then, and I think this is actually more important, 206 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:56,888 when she says she had some cake, 207 00:10:56,913 --> 00:10:58,604 I think she's saying she took drugs. 208 00:10:58,740 --> 00:11:00,740 So this is just a small selection 209 00:11:00,940 --> 00:11:03,860 of the times these words appear, but you can see a clear pattern. 210 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:06,500 "Great cake at Marly's, then went shopping, a very nice trip." 211 00:11:06,580 --> 00:11:09,740 "Went clubbing in Portsmouth, ate cake, up till six." 212 00:11:09,940 --> 00:11:12,700 "Had tea and cake with Ade, his birthday present to me, 213 00:11:12,860 --> 00:11:14,620 "just what I always wanted." 214 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:17,260 The reason I think this is significant 215 00:11:17,420 --> 00:11:18,420 is this reference here. 216 00:11:18,580 --> 00:11:21,940 This is dated two days before she disappeared. 217 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:24,620 And here, she says, "G's gonna get us some cake 218 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:27,020 "for the New Year party." 219 00:11:27,220 --> 00:11:31,020 I think this is why she left work earlier, 220 00:11:31,180 --> 00:11:32,580 I think G's is where she was going. 221 00:11:32,740 --> 00:11:36,740 Dealer, maybe? Or friend who was selling her some gear. 222 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:38,300 Erm... 223 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:40,940 I mean, it might explain how she could have been 224 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:42,700 in the vicinity of the Spinney, 225 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:45,460 which from the pub, is the opposite direction to the party. 226 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:49,660 Nice work, Fran. 227 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:52,020 OK, can we liaise with Hampshire Police 228 00:11:52,180 --> 00:11:53,420 on local drug dealers, 229 00:11:53,580 --> 00:11:55,260 then and now? 230 00:11:55,420 --> 00:11:57,300 But really good work, Fran. 231 00:11:58,740 --> 00:12:00,340 Thanks, guys. 232 00:12:01,340 --> 00:12:02,780 Shall we? 233 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:04,860 Miller, hi, it's me. 234 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:08,820 Erm... I'm sorry I haven't rung before, 235 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:11,900 but I just needed some time on my own to think things through. 236 00:12:13,060 --> 00:12:14,780 And I wanted to say... 237 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:20,660 ..don't believe what you might hear about me from the police. 238 00:12:20,820 --> 00:12:22,380 I'm not a bad man. 239 00:12:22,580 --> 00:12:24,860 I made some mistakes but I'm not a bad man. 240 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:43,340 So, why did you lie, Christopher? 241 00:12:44,740 --> 00:12:48,500 I lied, erm... because from the moment Hayley Reid went missing 242 00:12:48,700 --> 00:12:50,260 I sort of believed that at some point 243 00:12:50,460 --> 00:12:52,780 someone would knock on my door wanting to blame me. 244 00:12:54,620 --> 00:12:57,580 Which... I believed for a number of reasons. 245 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:00,220 None of which include me having anything to do with her death. 246 00:13:00,340 --> 00:13:04,980 Erm... in late December 1999... 247 00:13:06,580 --> 00:13:08,820 ..I was in a bad way, mentally. 248 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:12,580 I was in the manic phase, I know now, of a bipolar episode. 249 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:16,660 Exacerbated by over-work, and by a personal event 250 00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:18,220 that had... 251 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:20,300 profoundly traumatised me. 252 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:23,180 And on New Year's Eve, 253 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:26,260 in addition to me idiotically taking some cocaine, 254 00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:28,380 it overwhelmed me. 255 00:13:28,540 --> 00:13:30,260 And I became very unwell. 256 00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:36,020 I think I ended up leaving the house, and just, just walking, 257 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:38,540 eh, I dunno where, 258 00:13:38,700 --> 00:13:40,500 for a couple of hours. 259 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:43,380 And then finally, when I returned, I was exhausted 260 00:13:43,580 --> 00:13:45,060 and I fell asleep almost immediately, 261 00:13:45,220 --> 00:13:46,380 and then the next day... 262 00:13:47,740 --> 00:13:49,860 ..news started to filter through 263 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:52,220 about this missing local girl, and... 264 00:13:53,820 --> 00:13:57,140 ..because of this personal thing that had happened, 265 00:13:57,340 --> 00:13:59,900 and I suppose to a degree because of my poor mental health, 266 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:04,340 I became... obsessed that the police would come for me, 267 00:14:04,540 --> 00:14:06,500 that a knock on the door was imminent. 268 00:14:06,660 --> 00:14:09,140 But it-it-it didn't actually come. 269 00:14:09,340 --> 00:14:12,380 Not that day, nor the next, or the day after. It didn't come. 270 00:14:12,580 --> 00:14:14,740 But, erm... I never stopped waiting for it. 271 00:14:16,460 --> 00:14:18,980 So, when you finally showed up, DCI Stuart, 272 00:14:19,180 --> 00:14:21,460 in my head I went straight back to those first days 273 00:14:21,620 --> 00:14:23,180 after Hayley Reid went missing, 274 00:14:23,380 --> 00:14:25,340 I felt the same fear, the same panic, 275 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:26,580 and yeah, I lied. 276 00:14:26,740 --> 00:14:28,500 I lied about where I was that night. 277 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:32,540 That is all that I lied about, because I swear, I-I... 278 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:34,540 I didn't hurt Hayley Reid. 279 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:36,900 I never even met her. 280 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:40,820 And this event, that fed into your paranoia... 281 00:14:42,340 --> 00:14:43,980 ..what was that? 282 00:14:44,140 --> 00:14:45,980 Yeah, so, uh... 283 00:14:46,180 --> 00:14:50,380 On October 12th 1999 I was arrested for credit card payments 284 00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:52,780 to online child sex abuse sites. 285 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:57,140 The card was a business one, which meant I was arrested at the office, 286 00:14:57,340 --> 00:15:00,020 and the police told my business partner, Helen, 287 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:01,860 because I sometimes visited 288 00:15:02,060 --> 00:15:04,540 commercial shoots involving children. 289 00:15:06,580 --> 00:15:08,380 She then told the board, 290 00:15:08,580 --> 00:15:11,220 and in January 2000, she told my wife. 291 00:15:12,540 --> 00:15:15,100 Two months later, when I was charged, the board sacked me. 292 00:15:15,260 --> 00:15:17,100 Then my wife filed for divorce. 293 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:20,860 So, within four months of my arrest... 294 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:24,740 ..yeah, I lost, erm... 295 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:27,060 I lost everything. 296 00:15:27,220 --> 00:15:28,740 Everything I loved. 297 00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:33,180 My wife, Laura, and my career. 298 00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:37,100 My... 299 00:15:39,820 --> 00:15:41,740 My beautiful daughter. 300 00:15:44,180 --> 00:15:47,260 Yeah. Yeah, my life just pretty much collapsed. 301 00:15:49,660 --> 00:15:51,780 But here's the thing, 302 00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:53,140 it wasn't me. 303 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:56,900 The credit card payments, I didn't make them. 304 00:15:58,580 --> 00:16:01,980 My life had been ruined, and I was completely, 100% innocent. 305 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:10,740 And do you happen to remember who packed the trailer? 306 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:14,060 - Jesus! You don't think...? - Do you? 307 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:19,060 I always used to pack the bags, and... 308 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:21,540 James always used to put them in the trailer. 309 00:16:21,740 --> 00:16:25,300 OK. And your car, a BMW 3 series, I believe? 310 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:28,300 - Yeah. - Do you recall if it sustained any damage over that break? 311 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:31,900 - You think it was a car accident? - Do you? 312 00:16:43,140 --> 00:16:45,020 Mrs Hollis? 313 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:47,540 He said he'd hit a deer. 314 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:51,620 - Your husband? - Yes, my husband. Who else? 315 00:16:53,420 --> 00:16:56,500 Why don't you take a look at these photos, and this floor plan... 316 00:17:00,580 --> 00:17:03,460 ..and tell me if you can remember which bedroom 317 00:17:03,620 --> 00:17:05,620 you and your husband slept in, 318 00:17:05,780 --> 00:17:07,620 which bedroom your friends slept in, 319 00:17:07,780 --> 00:17:08,900 and which your son. 320 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:11,980 No. 321 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:16,620 My card details, like those 322 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:19,500 of hundreds of other completely innocent people 323 00:17:19,660 --> 00:17:20,740 were cloned. 324 00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:25,140 Of course, I protested my innocence, I told them, "This is crazy. 325 00:17:25,180 --> 00:17:28,620 "I've never visited these sites, it's absurd, a mistake." 326 00:17:29,980 --> 00:17:31,940 But I was charged. 327 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:33,460 And then... 328 00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:38,700 ..then suddenly I was living alone in a depressing flat in Acton. 329 00:17:40,380 --> 00:17:42,340 And my trial date had not been set. 330 00:17:44,180 --> 00:17:46,120 I managed to salvage some money from 331 00:17:46,145 --> 00:17:48,084 my separation, and I found a lawyer, 332 00:17:48,220 --> 00:17:49,660 and we hired a team of investigators 333 00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:52,140 to prove that the sites paid for were never actually visited, 334 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:54,780 they proved that when the payments were made, 335 00:17:54,980 --> 00:17:57,700 allegedly from my work computer, I was abroad. 336 00:17:57,860 --> 00:18:01,060 And so in 2003, finally, 337 00:18:01,220 --> 00:18:02,220 the charges were dropped 338 00:18:02,380 --> 00:18:04,380 and I was granted a record deletion application 339 00:18:04,540 --> 00:18:06,420 in 2004. 340 00:18:06,580 --> 00:18:08,700 By this time Laura had remarried, 341 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:09,780 and I hadn't seen her, 342 00:18:09,980 --> 00:18:12,540 or been allowed to see my daughter, for three years. 343 00:18:12,740 --> 00:18:15,460 I was living in shelters, or on the streets, 344 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:18,940 without access to the medication I needed. 345 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:22,540 The idea of just turning up, 346 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:25,940 and persuading them I hadn't somehow bought my innocence... 347 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:30,940 ..yeah, that was beyond me. 348 00:18:32,860 --> 00:18:35,700 So I had to try and begin to accept what had happened to me, 349 00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:36,940 this awful injustice, 350 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:40,180 this catastrophic unfairness. 351 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:42,220 To try... to try and... 352 00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:43,660 rebuild a life. 353 00:18:44,900 --> 00:18:48,380 You know, which sounds simpler than it actually was, 354 00:18:48,540 --> 00:18:49,540 because I was homeless, 355 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:52,340 in and out of temporary accommodation for six more years... 356 00:18:55,820 --> 00:18:58,340 ..before Tim... 357 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:00,820 ..my friend, Tim, 358 00:19:00,980 --> 00:19:03,100 he finally tracked me down, 359 00:19:03,140 --> 00:19:06,300 bought me my first van, in 2010, 360 00:19:06,500 --> 00:19:09,460 then I began to live again, rather than just exist. 361 00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:12,620 Then one week ago, you turn up, and ask a man who has lost everything, 362 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:15,700 through, what, just simple bad luck, 363 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:19,540 someone... someone who knows what can happen, 364 00:19:19,740 --> 00:19:21,540 and you ask him where he was that night. 365 00:19:25,220 --> 00:19:27,100 Yeah, so, that's why I lied. 366 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:29,380 That. 367 00:19:30,420 --> 00:19:32,420 That. 368 00:19:32,620 --> 00:19:36,060 James Hollis's ex remembers his son slept in a box room. 369 00:19:36,220 --> 00:19:38,380 The only box room in the house 370 00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:40,740 has a window that goes out onto a flat roof. 371 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:42,300 Which supports Tim Finch's claim 372 00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:44,380 that Pete Carr saw him seen climbing in at 2am. 373 00:19:44,540 --> 00:19:46,020 Exactly. 374 00:19:46,820 --> 00:19:48,200 Yeah. 375 00:19:49,860 --> 00:19:50,980 Jake Collier. 376 00:19:52,020 --> 00:19:55,260 She's in an interview at the moment, can I pass on a message? 377 00:19:58,580 --> 00:20:00,700 Hello, is it Maria? 378 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:02,940 Yeah. 379 00:20:02,941 --> 00:20:05,260 Sorry, I was just having a quick nap. 380 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:09,020 I'm Dr Walsh. I'm one of the doctors who's been looking after Peter. 381 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:11,740 Oh, right. Yes. How's he doing? 382 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:22,060 Shit. 383 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:26,100 - D'you believe him? - I dunno. 384 00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:28,540 Maybe. 385 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:30,180 You speak to the legal firm, 386 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:33,140 - I'll try and track down the unit that investigated him. - OK. 387 00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:35,140 Guv? 388 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,720 King's Lynn nick just rang. Peter Carr's died. 389 00:20:39,365 --> 00:20:41,205 Heart attack. 390 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,560 'Please leave your message after the tone.' 391 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,120 Mrs Carr, it's DCI Cassie Stuart. 392 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,480 I just wanted to ring and say... how.. 393 00:21:24,010 --> 00:21:25,930 ..desperately sad I was... 394 00:21:28,212 --> 00:21:30,532 ..to hear about your husband's death. 395 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,440 DCI Stuart? DCI Stuart, have you got anything to say? 396 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,440 What will you say to his family? 397 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,280 D'you blame yourself, DCI Stuart? 398 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,160 '..and as his wife comforts their two young sons tonight, 399 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,741 'I think the death of Mr Carr raises 400 00:21:52,766 --> 00:21:54,888 a number of important questions. 401 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,520 'Firstly, what new laws, if any, do we need, 402 00:21:58,844 --> 00:22:00,604 'in order to better restrict 403 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,145 'the sort of hateful social media campaign 404 00:22:03,184 --> 00:22:06,840 'that undoubtedly contributed towards his murder? 405 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,720 'And secondly, I think we need to ask how problematic it is 406 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,600 'that such major criminal investigations 407 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:19,070 'as this one, are increasingly being held under such a public gaze. 408 00:22:19,688 --> 00:22:22,760 'With police so far refusing to confirm 409 00:22:22,874 --> 00:22:25,834 'whether Peter Carr remained a suspect, 410 00:22:25,883 --> 00:22:28,828 'the parents of Hayley Reid must be asking themselves 411 00:22:28,930 --> 00:22:31,320 'the most painful question. 412 00:22:31,707 --> 00:22:34,559 'Has the killer of their beloved daughter 413 00:22:34,675 --> 00:22:38,995 'taken the secret of her final moments to his grave? 414 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,320 "This is Rohit Katru, outside Bishop's..." 415 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,720 Hey. 416 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,200 I just went out to grab a bag. I didn't forget to turn it off. 417 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,240 - Dad... - I just want to say that I've been... 418 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,880 ..thinking about what we were discussing the other day. 419 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,240 And I am genuinely sorry about what you are going through. 420 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,480 - I'm fine. - The problems at work 421 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,000 or whatever it is personally. 422 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,040 My personal life is fine, too. 423 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,920 Of course... I'll always be there, you know? 424 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,880 To give you whatever I can, 425 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,240 whenever you need it. 426 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,240 Wow. Well, thank you so much. 427 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,000 It's just that, erm... 428 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,120 ..well, at the moment I think it would be better for both of us 429 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,560 if I were to give you a bit of space. 430 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,920 So I think it's best if I move in with Jenny for a bit. 431 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,520 All right. 432 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,440 Anyway... 433 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,840 it'll be a rehearsal for us, you know? 434 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,800 "Rehearsal." 435 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,920 I asked her last night if she'd marry me. 436 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,600 She said she would. 437 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,280 So, we'll probably... 438 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,040 buy somewhere together, next year. 439 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,920 Sorry, you mean, like, move in together? Cos you can't... 440 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:54,760 you can't buy somewhere together, can you? 441 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,360 Cos you're the only one with any money. 442 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,560 I never thought that we'd fall out about money. 443 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,720 I'll give you a call tomorrow. 444 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,040 I love you, sweetheart. 445 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,560 Yeah! 446 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,200 I miss... us... 447 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:23,960 as a family. 448 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,240 I miss us all being together. 449 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,960 I miss you. 450 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,000 And I missed you, Aisha. 451 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,480 When you left for your soulmate. 452 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,200 D'you remember? 453 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,040 The girls missed you so much. 454 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,520 And I'm so sorry for that. 455 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,880 For all the mistakes I made, which I want to put right. 456 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,120 Now! 457 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,720 It's too late. We've moved on. 458 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,000 I've moved on. 459 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,360 Then... 460 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,840 you... love her, do you, 461 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,600 this... Sal? 462 00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Yes, I do. 463 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,800 And the girls, I mean... 464 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,800 Surely we owe it to them to ask what they'd like? 465 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,560 "We"? 466 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,280 Surely you can't deny them that. I mean, if they want it, 467 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,840 the chance for us all to be together again. 468 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,600 A proper family. 469 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,320 You always said the girls came first. 470 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,160 But I never meant for anyone to actually DO anything! 471 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,840 OK. 472 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,080 Can I read what your last post said? 473 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,760 "For too long, paedophiles, rapists and murderers 474 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,960 "have been treated as if they were the victims. 475 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,240 "but enough is enough. 476 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,004 "If the government won't bring back 477 00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:46,704 the death penalty for such crimes, 478 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,600 "perhaps it's time for honest, law-abiding citizens, 479 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,080 "to take matters into their own hands." 480 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,520 And then you've put a picture of Peter Carr 481 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,920 with his work address, under the headline, "Monster". 482 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,560 But I never said to anyone to kill him! 483 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,960 So when you said it was time 484 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,440 for people to take matters into their own hands, 485 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,920 what did you mean, exactly? 486 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,640 I just wanted a job. 487 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,720 I'm 27, and I have a degree in journalism 488 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,800 that's cost me the best part of 50 grand. 489 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,960 And I have never 490 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,120 had proper paid work in my chosen field, 491 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,440 despite having written hundreds of job applications. 492 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,600 So I was just trying to... shock. 493 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,520 Cos... that's what you need to do these days. 494 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,000 Otherwise no-one hears you, no-one listens. 495 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,640 And if no-one listens, what are you? 496 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,360 You're no-one. 497 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,480 In terms of the IPCC it's a mandatory referral. 498 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,800 I don't really have any choice. 499 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,880 And the case? 500 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,240 The Reid family have reiterated their faith in you. 501 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,240 For now, the case remains yours. 502 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,880 Thank you. 503 00:27:14,504 --> 00:27:16,504 _ 504 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,720 Oh, just ask the actual fucking question, Em, please. 505 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,040 Look, I've got ten minutes before I'm due back, 506 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,129 and I really don't have time for 507 00:27:28,154 --> 00:27:29,864 endless, dreary euphemisms. 508 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,216 - You don't have to get so unpleasant, Dad. - Oh, you think? 509 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,800 It's just that, as your father, 510 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,280 I thought you might already know the answer. 511 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,200 I'm sorry. 512 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,640 I'm very stressed by all of this. 513 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,560 But, no. 514 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,680 I never hit your mum. 515 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,200 Apologies, but I... have a two o'clock. 516 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,440 And for the avoidance of any doubt, 517 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,960 I'm not a psychopathic murderer, either. 518 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,400 Just pull the door to, when you leave. 519 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,840 Love you. 520 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,280 Els? 521 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,520 If you don't tell me the truth, Eliot, 522 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,640 I can't continue to protect you. 523 00:28:46,665 --> 00:28:48,920 Like you have for the past 32 years? 524 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,600 Protect me from what? Have you had a good look at me recently, Dad? 525 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,960 Prison. And I will happily do that. 526 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,320 I will lie for you, and say I was driving that night. 527 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,720 But you have to tell me the truth. 528 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,400 I've already told you a million times. 529 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,920 I don't think so. 530 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,600 Yes, I have. I was driving, I hit something, I don't know what. 531 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,160 I went out to look for it and couldn't find anything. That's it. 532 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:06,850 - No. - Yes! 533 00:29:06,875 --> 00:29:08,704 Because you actually went back that night. 534 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,040 - I what?! - I think you actually found her, 535 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,080 and then you hid her, 536 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,320 and then you went back to get her a few nights later. 537 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,640 - What the fuck are you talking about? - Tell me the truth, please, Eliot! 538 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,840 It's been 18 years, I need to hear it, now, I need to hear the truth! 539 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,120 - Where was she found? Oh, you KNOW where she was found! 540 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,480 I don't! I've been using since you first called me! 541 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,960 Where was she found? 542 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120 - Tell me, where was she found?! - She was buried in London. 543 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,640 What? 544 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,560 No. 545 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,720 What? 546 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,120 Come on! 547 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,080 Good boy! 548 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,160 Wooh! 549 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,520 - Boss. - Yep. 550 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,680 Uh, so, just got off the phone to Eastleigh nick, 551 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,360 which is the nearest one to Middenham, 552 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,040 so they've identified our 'G' as local drug dealer, 553 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,560 nickname 'Gandalf', 554 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,880 real name, Nigel Farndale. 555 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,440 He's got a 30-year record of drug offences, so they're gonna 556 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,680 - pull him up and bring him straight in. - OK. Thank you. 557 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600 James Hollis is downstairs, with his son. 558 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,840 For the past 18 years 559 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,520 I have believed that my son killed Hayley Reid. 560 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,960 Because he did steal my car, he was drunk, 561 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,080 and when he got back home at two in the morning 562 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,280 and I found him in his room in a terrible state, 563 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,840 he told me that he'd hit something. 564 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,600 He said that he'd got out to see what it was, 565 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,360 but couldn't find anything. 566 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,840 And although his gut instinct told him that it was just an animal... 567 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,920 ..he was also very scared... 568 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,960 ..that it might be a person. 569 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Which fear grew, when the next day 570 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,160 news that Hayley Reid was missing started to filter through. 571 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,240 And the fact they couldn't find her 572 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,000 also, uh... fitted 573 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,120 because the road he was on 574 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,480 was next to the river 575 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,200 which had burst its banks following the heavy rain. 576 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,760 Meaning we had to consider 577 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,040 the awful possibility... 578 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,040 that she had been knocked into the water, washed down the river, 579 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,680 and out to sea. 580 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,440 And for 18 years 581 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,800 he and I have hidden that, uh... 582 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,320 dreadful secret, and I'm so, so sorry for that. 583 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,280 And then she was found. 584 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,800 The nightmare should have been over. Except... 585 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,800 ..instead of finally 586 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,680 believing that he was innocent... 587 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,400 ..I started to believe that not only had he hit her, 588 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,720 but he'd actually found her, 589 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,240 and hidden her 590 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,800 to drive back down a few days later, 591 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,960 retrieve the body... and bury it in London. 592 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,920 Oh, it, erm... 593 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,520 might seem a terrible thing to believe about your son. 594 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,520 But... 595 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,560 18 years of this... 596 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,520 toxic secret between us, and... 597 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,040 ..seeing the consequences of that in everything my son has become... 598 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,800 ..has made my judgement bad. 599 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,440 And how do you know he didn't do exactly what you've described? 600 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Because when I finally found him, just a few hours ago, 601 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,640 and talked to him properly 602 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,360 for the first time since Hayley had been found... 603 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:34,520 he reminded me that we drove back early on the 2nd, 604 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,200 to put him on a flight to Switzerland 605 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,160 for a school skiing trip. 606 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,800 He was away for ten days. There will be school records. 607 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,160 He could have driven back down there once he got back. 608 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,720 By which time the police and half the world's press 609 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,360 were in Middenham, so I don't think so. 610 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,120 But, listen, we're not hiding anymore. 611 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440 He's here, to answer your questions. So ask him. 612 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,720 But... 613 00:33:59,177 --> 00:34:02,057 I think he did just hit a deer that night. 614 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,400 And by me... enabling him 615 00:34:07,997 --> 00:34:10,637 to not face up to his responsibilities... 616 00:34:14,201 --> 00:34:16,121 ..I've messed up his whole life. 617 00:34:19,505 --> 00:34:21,745 For absolutely no reason at all. 618 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,473 So, I'm gonna stay in the van tonight, 619 00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:39,174 because I want you to have the time you need, 620 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,520 you know, to absorb everything. 621 00:34:42,552 --> 00:34:45,552 And when might the police know, do you think... 622 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,800 ..that you're not a suspect anymore? 623 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,760 I don't know. 624 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,176 But if it's worth me saying one more time, 625 00:34:56,274 --> 00:34:57,874 you know, it wasn't me. 626 00:34:58,098 --> 00:35:01,378 Not Hayley Reid, not the credit card stuff, not anything. 627 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,280 And sometimes... 628 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,560 we have to, you must know this, 629 00:35:07,998 --> 00:35:09,958 we have to accept that... 630 00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:13,329 ..that life can be just random, 631 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,080 and cruel, 632 00:35:15,535 --> 00:35:18,960 before being, in the blink of an eye, 633 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,000 just as randomly wonderful. 634 00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:50,141 Eliot? 635 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,720 D'you wanna fuck off, Dad? 636 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:03,712 He's right, I'm afraid. 637 00:36:04,404 --> 00:36:06,282 Within five days of her disappearance 638 00:36:06,369 --> 00:36:07,769 Middenham was crawling with police, 639 00:36:07,813 --> 00:36:11,063 there were search parties, choppers with cameras, road blocks, 640 00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:12,840 if she was murdered in Middenham, 641 00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:14,350 it was always my belief she had 642 00:36:14,375 --> 00:36:16,251 to have been moved within a day or so. 643 00:36:18,162 --> 00:36:19,243 Sorry. 644 00:36:19,438 --> 00:36:20,918 They're looking at their records now, 645 00:36:21,048 --> 00:36:23,328 but the teacher I spoke to remembers the skiing trip well 646 00:36:23,379 --> 00:36:24,946 and remembers Eliot being on it, 647 00:36:25,055 --> 00:36:27,015 because he was such a pain in the arse. 648 00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:28,564 Right. 649 00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:30,780 And Nigel Farndale's here. 650 00:36:31,266 --> 00:36:32,313 Thanks. 651 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,560 - Did you talk to the son? - Uh, briefly. 652 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,560 - And? - My sense was 653 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,840 he is telling the truth. 654 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,320 So for now we're letting them both go. 655 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,120 I better speak to this Farndale bloke. 656 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,800 - Yeah, I better push off. - No, thank you for coming in. 657 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,040 No worries. 658 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,920 Uh, look, I'm probably gonna head back down to Hampshire tomorrow, 659 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,680 - so... - Right. 660 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,960 But, erm... can I call you? 661 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,440 I don't know if this is a good idea, right now, John. 662 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,840 I've just got so much... 663 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,760 ..c-crap on, right now, that I need to sort out. 664 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,280 And... I'm not sure starting, uh... 665 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,480 It wouldn't be fair on you. 666 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,280 Sorry. 667 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,960 I'll call you, then. 668 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,160 I mean, we all lived together for 10, 11 years, Mum, 669 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,560 we never saw him do anything like... 670 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,880 You know, the photos, were they even you, or was it make-up, or...? 671 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,400 I dunno. 672 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,440 Help me out here, cos I'm struggling. 673 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,000 Well... 674 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,360 you're not struggling, Em, or you wouldn't be here. 675 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,800 You wouldn't have driven five hours just to ask! 676 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,480 Listen, I know I shouldn't have asked for the money, 677 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,440 it was stupid, but it was the first time in nearly 30 years 678 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,360 I felt like I had the upper hand. 679 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:39,800 And I got a little giddy. 680 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,520 Although... 681 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,880 ..for what it's worth, he never did pay the settlement. 682 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,080 These are the letters from my lawyer to his. 683 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,480 I instructed mine to stop fighting in 2005, 684 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,221 after your father put his hands 685 00:39:01,246 --> 00:39:02,984 around my neck, at our old house, 686 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,480 and threatened to kill me. 687 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,400 Of course you and Clare never saw stuff, I did everything I could 688 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,480 to keep it from you both. 689 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,120 As did he. 690 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,440 For different reasons, obviously. 691 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,440 - _ - But that takes its toll, 692 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,600 sweetheart, living that lie. 693 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,263 To keep smiling, as you told me 694 00:39:26,288 --> 00:39:28,264 about all your fun times with him. 695 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,680 The lovely holidays with him. 696 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,640 When I knew... what he really was. 697 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,920 It took its toll on me, 698 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,480 and in turn, my problems served his deception well. 699 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,360 The photos were genuine, my love. 700 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,720 And you're here now because some part of you, 701 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,680 some subconscious part, 702 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,440 has always known that something was wrong. 703 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,160 And it gives me no pleasure at all 704 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,320 to tell you that you are right. 705 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,800 Yes, she came to my house that night. 706 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,080 Mm-hm. And that was to buy? 707 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,560 In 2000, it would have been E's, I'd imagine. 708 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,880 You didn't think to mention this to the police at the time? 709 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,400 I had a house full of gear! 710 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,280 I knew I hadn't done anything wrong, so... 711 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,600 But, yeah, I'm sorry. I should have. 712 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,720 Do you remember what time she arrived? 713 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,560 Would have been about... twenty past eleven. 714 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,240 How do you remember so specifically? 715 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,720 Cos we chatted a bit, maybe ten minutes, then we left together. 716 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,360 I went to a party in Alcross, which is about half an hour aways, 717 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,720 and I remember I got there just as Big Ben was chiming. 718 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,720 And when she left, did she say where she was going? 719 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,200 She said straight to her party. 720 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,640 Erm, can you... 721 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,960 show me where you were living, in 1999? 722 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:14,280 So, if what he's saying is true, 723 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,160 then to get from the Farndales to the party house, 724 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,080 there's absolutely no reason for her to be passing the church. 725 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,120 Or where Eliot Hollis was spotted driving the car. 726 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,480 Which would seem to suggest James Hollis 727 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,640 is telling the truth, 728 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,960 as was Peter Carr. 729 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,640 Yeah. 730 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,120 As she walked from here to here, 731 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,600 if she encountered anyone, 732 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,160 the more likely it would be Chris Lowe or Tim Finch. 733 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,600 And I've just come off the phone to West End Central, 734 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,482 who have detailed records of the 735 00:41:43,507 --> 00:41:45,504 credit card investigation into Lowe, 736 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,040 which they themselves now admit, 737 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,680 with hindsight, 738 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,280 was flawed. 739 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,600 So he didn't just hire good lawyers? 740 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,120 On balance, they think not. 741 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,760 They think he should never have been charged. 742 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,960 That doesn't mean we eliminate him as a suspect, of course, 743 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,960 but for now, I think we should concentrate our fire elsewhere. 744 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,920 And some, erm, slightly better news here. 745 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,680 Yesterday we got in touch with DVLA to see if any of our 746 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,000 four main suspects had any endorsements 747 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,280 for the days after New Year. 748 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920 And my thinking was, 749 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,520 you have a dead body in your boot, 750 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:26,160 you might be driving a little faster than normal. 751 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,320 So here is a copy of Tim Finch's driving license endorsements, 752 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,000 going back 35 years. 753 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,920 There's four speeding offences on there, which is kinda normal. 754 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,280 Except for the date of the second one. 755 00:42:37,304 --> 00:42:39,304 _ 756 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,040 Shit! 757 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,120 The 3rd of January, 2000. 758 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000 That's the day after he got back to London. 759 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,920 - D'you know where he got it? - Not yet. 760 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,280 They're gonna get back to us. 761 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,280 But that... is a tickle. 762 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,680 That's definitely a tickle. 763 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,400 DI Khan. 'Have you got a pen?' 764 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,560 Yes, yes, I have, yep. 765 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,920 '6:20am, A405 South.' 766 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,840 That is so helpful, thank you so much. 767 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,715 Ticket was issued at 6:20am n the A405. 768 00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:13,808 Which is where? 769 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,800 Six miles outside of Middenham. 770 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,960 Was he heading to, or from? 771 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,600 From. 772 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,360 Timothy Finch, I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder 773 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,760 of Hayley Reid. 774 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,200 You do not have to say anything, 775 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,560 but it may harm your defence if you do not mention now 776 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,240 something you later rely on in court. 777 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,715 As you're being arrested, 778 00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:49,984 we have authority to search your premises 779 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,240 under Section 32 of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act. 780 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,880 Would you like to get dressed, please? 781 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,480 Why were you on the road out of Middenham, 782 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,520 heading to London, 783 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,640 at... 6:20am, 784 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,360 the day after you'd returned to London? 785 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,480 I'd left my laptop in the house and drove back down to pick it up. 786 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,280 I left very early because I wanted to be back in time 787 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,520 for morning surgery. 788 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,200 And you'd arranged this with the lettings agency? 789 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,080 - Yes. - They've made no mention of that. 790 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,960 Well, what d'you want me to say? I arranged it. 791 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,160 Who'd you speak to? 792 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,840 I don't remember, it's... 793 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,720 nearly 20 years ago, erm... 794 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,200 a bloke, I think. 795 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,320 And, what, he took you round there, did he? 796 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,040 At 6am? 797 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,400 No, he left the key, under a flowerpot. 798 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,600 Apparently the house was vacant that week, 799 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,760 and he said to just let myself in. 800 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,640 So why were you speeding? 801 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,896 It had taken longer that I thought to get down there. 802 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,760 I was running late. 803 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,200 For the purposes of the interview, DC Collier has entered the room. 804 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,760 Sorry to interrupt, Ma'am. Can I have a quick word? 805 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,080 Excuse me. 806 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,680 Interview suspended at 8:31. 807 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,240 In his cellar, behind a thousand boxes of junk, 808 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,360 we found one of those old, like, money box type things. 809 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,440 And when we got it open, we found these. 810 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,480 A necklace, with hair still attached to the clasp, 811 00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:05,090 a scrunchie... 812 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,280 ..and a pair of knickers. 813 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:20,000 Subtitles by TVT HI removed by WheezerTheGeezer