1 00:00:07,207 --> 00:00:09,720 I presume you've seen the news about the Hayley Reid case? 2 00:00:09,801 --> 00:00:12,015 The police think she may have been our cleaner. 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,400 I told them we all stayed in the house that night, 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:15,960 eating with our families. 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,968 I have a daughter Maya, 6 00:00:18,054 --> 00:00:20,360 who I last saw 17 years ago. 7 00:00:20,436 --> 00:00:21,516 Three grand. 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,320 I accidentally paid Salthouse's cheque into my personal account. 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,680 This isn't working, Pete, you and me. 10 00:00:27,852 --> 00:00:28,972 Your marriage ended when? 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,360 I haven't seen Derran for many years, 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,080 but I should just say that she's had a number of issues. 13 00:00:35,233 --> 00:00:38,193 Christmas and New Year can be quite stressful, can't it? 14 00:00:38,249 --> 00:00:39,951 Of the three of you that were married, 15 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,200 all of you were separated within the year. 16 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,320 That was nothing to do with anything that happened on that break. 17 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:46,960 No, it wasn't a pleasant evening. 18 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,040 Someone might have bought some coke. 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,720 Chris went completely nuts. 20 00:00:51,989 --> 00:00:54,749 There was another employee. She went as Madonna 21 00:00:54,813 --> 00:00:55,919 and she left around 12:10. 22 00:00:55,974 --> 00:00:58,659 So she could have actually left the pub earlier. 23 00:00:58,742 --> 00:01:02,294 We now have four men, variously pissed, drugged up, 24 00:01:02,341 --> 00:01:05,356 possibly mentally unstable, out somewhere in Middenham 25 00:01:05,435 --> 00:01:07,590 at exactly the same time as Hayley. 26 00:01:48,060 --> 00:01:54,060 *CREDITS* 27 00:01:54,349 --> 00:01:56,309 We just got the DNA swab results in 28 00:01:56,334 --> 00:01:59,028 and we've got a match to the blood on the church break-in. 29 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:00,732 Wow, who? 30 00:02:01,588 --> 00:02:03,068 Pete Carr. 31 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Bad man! Stop! 32 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,640 Oh...! Argh...! 33 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Pete, please, they're supposed to be eating breakfast! 34 00:02:16,789 --> 00:02:19,269 Oh, I'm sorry. Go on, Will, do as your mum says. 35 00:02:29,177 --> 00:02:30,199 Pete Carr. 36 00:02:30,234 --> 00:02:31,994 Mr Carr, DI Sunil Khan. 37 00:02:32,349 --> 00:02:33,853 Hi, morning. 38 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:35,966 Mr Carr, we need to speak to you again. 39 00:02:37,253 --> 00:02:38,733 Do you? About what? 40 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,160 Well, we can discuss that when we meet. 41 00:02:42,212 --> 00:02:45,344 We'd like you to be King's Lynn police station at 1:30, please. 42 00:02:45,809 --> 00:02:48,312 Do I need a... a lawyer or anything? 43 00:02:48,337 --> 00:02:50,497 I'm afraid I can't advise you on legal representation. 44 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,120 But we will be looking to interview you under caution, so... 45 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,384 Right, sure. 46 00:02:55,478 --> 00:02:58,361 - Good. See you later. Bye. - Bye. 47 00:03:01,111 --> 00:03:02,947 Do you need a lawyer for what? 48 00:03:03,663 --> 00:03:05,383 The new FSA contracts. 49 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,841 I was just asking Mark if we need to run them by a lawyer. 50 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,560 He says they're all fine. 51 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:15,440 Come on. Come and eat your breakfast. 52 00:03:17,523 --> 00:03:21,431 So DI Khan and I are heading straight up to Norfolk now, 53 00:03:21,456 --> 00:03:23,495 following on from that DNA result. 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,680 Although, obviously, there are some questions 55 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,308 for them all to answer now, 56 00:03:27,404 --> 00:03:31,680 following Melissa Hollis's ever so slightly different account 57 00:03:32,235 --> 00:03:33,307 of that evening. 58 00:03:33,444 --> 00:03:36,101 Jake, it might be worth speaking to Tim Finch's ex, 59 00:03:36,150 --> 00:03:38,350 - see how she remembers the evening. - Guv. 60 00:03:38,375 --> 00:03:41,055 And James Hollis finally came back about his car. 61 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,892 It turns out he was driving a black four-door BMW 62 00:03:44,408 --> 00:03:45,626 with a tow bar. 63 00:03:45,651 --> 00:03:47,331 Do you know if he had a trailer? 64 00:03:47,615 --> 00:03:48,660 Yeah. 65 00:03:48,685 --> 00:03:49,685 Interesting. 66 00:03:50,291 --> 00:03:53,344 And all this, it feeds into a bigger question 67 00:03:53,393 --> 00:03:55,055 that I think we need to ask now. 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,455 Because, if what Melissa Hollis said is true, 69 00:03:57,868 --> 00:04:00,788 it means that not only did all four men lie to us... 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,049 ..all four then appear to have colluded in that lie. 71 00:04:05,097 --> 00:04:08,072 And at that point, I start to ask, 72 00:04:08,291 --> 00:04:09,571 why would they do that? 73 00:04:09,705 --> 00:04:11,265 Do you think they're all involved, boss? 74 00:04:11,356 --> 00:04:14,156 I don't know. But I think it has to be one of our options. 75 00:04:14,402 --> 00:04:16,971 Or maybe it's that one of them killed her... 76 00:04:17,865 --> 00:04:20,025 ..and the other three covered up for him. 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,640 Anyway, let's let that percolate 78 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,994 and then we'll regroup once we've spoken to Mr Carr. 79 00:04:27,580 --> 00:04:28,900 Thank you, everyone. 80 00:04:29,115 --> 00:04:30,715 Are you driving or me? 81 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,500 _ 82 00:04:39,524 --> 00:04:41,024 _ 83 00:04:44,716 --> 00:04:46,036 Can we sue the site? 84 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,090 We can try, but it's registered to a 27-year-old woman 85 00:04:49,152 --> 00:04:50,830 that lives in a council flat. 86 00:04:50,855 --> 00:04:52,515 She literally has nothing to lose. 87 00:04:52,556 --> 00:04:54,276 Well, we've got to do something, Linda. 88 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,640 If you type me and Hayley Reid's name into a search engine, 89 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:59,097 those photographs come up on three other sites already. 90 00:04:59,168 --> 00:05:01,400 And I've got a guy working to get them taken down. 91 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,308 I'm doing everything I can. 92 00:05:03,333 --> 00:05:04,453 Call me back. 93 00:05:05,873 --> 00:05:06,873 Amy. 94 00:05:06,898 --> 00:05:09,840 Morning, James, do you wish to comment on your connection to...? 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Daily Mirror, Mr Hollis. 96 00:05:17,395 --> 00:05:21,155 Are there any comment you'd like to make about the Hayley Reid case? 97 00:05:21,971 --> 00:05:23,691 Did you stay long last night? 98 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,800 No. Left about half an hour after you. 99 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,080 Knackered. 100 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,440 Er, long enough for him to ask me out to dinner, though. 101 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:40,880 Don't. 102 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,760 Er, I didn't... 103 00:05:49,077 --> 00:05:51,397 - They did the same with me. - It's what they do. 104 00:05:51,541 --> 00:05:53,181 It doesn't mean anything, I promise. 105 00:05:53,207 --> 00:05:55,120 And I asked for someone to be with me. 106 00:05:55,207 --> 00:05:58,222 I told her, you know, the problem, and she just ignored me. 107 00:05:58,355 --> 00:06:00,320 You explicitly asked her for someone? 108 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,771 Yes. Yes, definitely. 109 00:06:01,842 --> 00:06:04,115 Jesus, outrageous! How dare she? 110 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,803 Listen, I have to shoot but, if you're happy for me to do it, 111 00:06:09,846 --> 00:06:12,006 I'll make a formal complaint on your behalf. 112 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,600 Well, yeah. OK, yeah. 113 00:06:14,737 --> 00:06:16,490 - Thank you. - No, I just... 114 00:06:17,798 --> 00:06:19,118 These people. 115 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,959 I've just come off the phone from an Inspector Chan in Hong Kong. 116 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,200 And it turns out he knew Peter Carr very well. 117 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,264 Tell me. 118 00:06:29,342 --> 00:06:31,480 So, in 1985, when Carr was living there... 119 00:06:31,773 --> 00:06:35,133 We've all been through some shit, Chris, all done stuff.... 120 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,080 ..we shouldn't have. 121 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,178 So I'm just saying, 122 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,240 you'll always be my friend, mate, 123 00:06:42,525 --> 00:06:44,045 no matter what. 124 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,200 - I love you, mate. - Yeah. 125 00:06:53,672 --> 00:06:55,152 Love you, too. 126 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,053 So I am going to ask you again, Mr Carr... 127 00:07:05,850 --> 00:07:08,040 ..were you in the house all evening? 128 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,880 Not all evening, no. 129 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,800 I was in the pub for a... 130 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,280 ..a fair bit. 131 00:07:16,799 --> 00:07:18,959 And that's from what time to what time? 132 00:07:19,553 --> 00:07:21,033 From about... 133 00:07:21,075 --> 00:07:24,120 - ..8:30 to just before midnight. - Mm-hm. 134 00:07:25,372 --> 00:07:28,772 So why didn't you just tell us that? I don't know, I... 135 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,560 It was stupid. 136 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,240 I just panicked, I suppose. 137 00:07:34,293 --> 00:07:38,040 I was on a bit of a pub crawl. I was on my own. 138 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,120 I guess I thought that didn't put me in a good light. 139 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,520 In relation to Hayley Reid, I mean. 140 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,560 So I... I just said I was in the house with the others. 141 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,720 You said that you were on a pub crawl. 142 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:50,920 Yes. 143 00:07:50,950 --> 00:07:53,040 Did you pass St Matthew's church on the way back? 144 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,000 - No. - Are you sure? 145 00:07:56,737 --> 00:07:57,769 Yes. 146 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,420 Are you sure you didn't, in fact, 147 00:08:01,445 --> 00:08:03,504 break into St Matthew's church 148 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,600 and steal some silverware from a cupboard in the vestry? 149 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,760 We have a DNA match to you, 150 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,600 from blood samples taken at the time 151 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,950 from the window that you smashed to get in. 152 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:19,570 Was that you? 153 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,153 Yes. 154 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:26,130 I was, er... 155 00:08:27,318 --> 00:08:30,379 My company was having some cash flow issues and, er... 156 00:08:30,692 --> 00:08:33,040 ..with all the Christmas and New Year expenditure, 157 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,800 I found I didn't have enough money 158 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,153 for my flight back to Hong Kong, so... 159 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,920 I'd been in there the previous evening... 160 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,684 ..to a service... 161 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,320 ..and seen the silverware and... 162 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,293 It was an utterly shameful thing to do and I am so sorry. 163 00:09:11,580 --> 00:09:12,820 Are you OK? 164 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,280 Yeah, fine. 165 00:09:16,145 --> 00:09:17,905 Not having second thoughts? 166 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,981 Never. 167 00:09:25,887 --> 00:09:27,588 Never. No. 168 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,000 - I'm just tired. - Good. 169 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,040 I wish to introduce evidence of bad character 170 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,320 under the Criminal Justice Act 2001. 171 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,040 See, we've been speaking to the Hong Kong police. 172 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,640 Do you want to tell us about the three-month sentence 173 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,120 that you served in 1995 in Lo Wu Correctional Facility 174 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,660 for defrauding a disability charity of $100,000, 175 00:09:57,723 --> 00:10:00,680 an amount which caused it to close down? 176 00:10:01,301 --> 00:10:02,600 I was set up. 177 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:04,422 That was all. 178 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:07,434 The system out there was corrupt. I was set up. 179 00:10:07,552 --> 00:10:10,512 - Really? - Yes, fucking really! 180 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,880 You see, I think you give a very good impression 181 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,887 of being a decent, if slightly hapless businessman, Peter. 182 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,840 But I think you have a much darker side. 183 00:10:21,379 --> 00:10:23,184 - Do you? - Yes, I do. 184 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,680 I think you have a side that thinks primarily of what you need. 185 00:10:26,777 --> 00:10:28,035 Maybe once. 186 00:10:29,121 --> 00:10:30,180 Not now. 187 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,720 Well, indeed, because I think, when you broke into that church, 188 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,000 that was exactly what you were thinking, 189 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,360 "How do I get myself out of this hole?" 190 00:10:37,560 --> 00:10:39,089 But I would never have hurt anyone. 191 00:10:39,114 --> 00:10:40,344 I'm sure you didn't plan to. 192 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,880 But then, maybe... 193 00:10:42,181 --> 00:10:43,957 ..maybe Hayley saw you go in 194 00:10:43,982 --> 00:10:45,543 and she confronted you. 195 00:10:45,568 --> 00:10:48,949 Now, you knew she could identify you from the Spinney. 196 00:10:48,996 --> 00:10:50,072 No. 197 00:10:50,097 --> 00:10:52,964 So you did what you needed to do to protect your needs. 198 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,240 Not true. 199 00:10:54,329 --> 00:10:56,589 Except you've lied to us, Peter... 200 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,880 ..from the moment we spoke to you, 201 00:10:58,905 --> 00:11:01,040 so why should we suddenly start believing you now? 202 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,440 Can I get through, please? 203 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,200 Excuse me. Out of my way, please. 204 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,720 Thank you. 205 00:11:24,733 --> 00:11:26,933 When exactly where you planning to tell me? 206 00:11:36,319 --> 00:11:38,040 What do you think? 207 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,120 He's clearly a fraud. 208 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,720 And weak. 209 00:11:42,239 --> 00:11:43,879 And a liar. 210 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,960 The question is, do I sense violence? 211 00:11:47,573 --> 00:11:48,724 I don't know. 212 00:11:49,673 --> 00:11:52,537 I wouldn't want to see him backed into a corner, though. 213 00:12:09,436 --> 00:12:11,000 Tell me what's going on, 214 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,483 or I swear I will go in there right now and ask them myself. 215 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 NORTH WALES 216 00:12:32,170 --> 00:12:34,410 OK, right, well, that seems to chime 217 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:37,810 pretty much with what Melissa Hollis told us. 218 00:12:37,970 --> 00:12:40,570 And, erm... what's my ex said, 219 00:12:40,770 --> 00:12:43,090 what's Timothy said about the evening? 220 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:46,850 I'm afraid I can't really go into too many details about that. 221 00:12:48,090 --> 00:12:50,930 It's just, when you rang, it wasn't a complete shock. 222 00:12:52,410 --> 00:12:53,485 I'm sorry? 223 00:12:53,510 --> 00:12:55,730 I think, on some subconscious level... 224 00:12:56,597 --> 00:12:59,017 ..I had always wondered. Well, wondered what? 225 00:12:59,090 --> 00:13:00,930 If he could have been involved. 226 00:13:01,997 --> 00:13:04,637 I mean, I'm sure he's told you I'm delusional... 227 00:13:05,663 --> 00:13:07,063 ..and a fantasist. 228 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,062 Mad. 229 00:13:10,130 --> 00:13:11,550 And maybe I have had periods 230 00:13:11,575 --> 00:13:13,754 when I've not acted entirely rationally. 231 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:16,900 I know I've alienated my daughters and... 232 00:13:19,810 --> 00:13:22,970 ..and I'm incredibly sad about that, but... 233 00:13:24,525 --> 00:13:27,370 ..the way I've been, what I became, 234 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:29,799 that was actually entirely because of him. 235 00:13:29,879 --> 00:13:31,837 - Dr Finch? - Yes. 236 00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:33,892 - How do you mean? - I mean... 237 00:13:34,705 --> 00:13:37,570 ..to talk to, on the face of it, in public... 238 00:13:38,885 --> 00:13:41,925 ..you would think he was such a lovely man, wouldn't you? 239 00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:45,159 Kind and gentle... 240 00:13:45,530 --> 00:13:46,791 ..and good. 241 00:13:46,869 --> 00:13:51,236 "A good man" was how people always described him in our village. 242 00:13:53,410 --> 00:13:54,589 But behind closed doors, 243 00:13:54,614 --> 00:13:56,850 he's the most manipulative, calculating man 244 00:13:56,877 --> 00:13:59,588 I've ever met and he made my life a complete misery. 245 00:14:01,326 --> 00:14:02,446 How so? 246 00:14:03,267 --> 00:14:05,205 For the 13 years that we were married, 247 00:14:05,230 --> 00:14:07,886 he tried to control every single aspect of it. 248 00:14:09,317 --> 00:14:11,557 He stopped me from working. 249 00:14:11,677 --> 00:14:13,666 He cut me off from my friends. 250 00:14:14,487 --> 00:14:17,378 He stopped me going out at all by the end. 251 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:22,824 Well, he abused me mentally, physically... 252 00:14:24,930 --> 00:14:27,090 ..sometimes even sexually. 253 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:30,929 And if I hadn't managed to escaped when I did... 254 00:14:32,167 --> 00:14:35,047 ..who knows what he might have ended up doing? 255 00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:42,749 Four days ago? 256 00:14:42,796 --> 00:14:45,050 Obviously, just as a witness, so... 257 00:14:45,326 --> 00:14:46,446 So...? 258 00:14:46,530 --> 00:14:49,370 So, what? So that means you didn't need to mention it to me. 259 00:14:49,530 --> 00:14:51,210 I'm sorry, I should have. 260 00:14:51,510 --> 00:14:53,270 How do you even do that? 261 00:14:53,330 --> 00:14:57,010 We've been out to dinner, we've had a million conversations, 262 00:14:57,170 --> 00:14:59,530 we've had sex, and I... 263 00:14:59,730 --> 00:15:02,610 ..never once had an inkling that you were lying to me. 264 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:05,330 - I never lied. - Oh, please, by omission, yes, you lied. 265 00:15:05,530 --> 00:15:08,330 Just leave the phone, Jamie.... 266 00:15:08,530 --> 00:15:10,730 It's my agent. She's rung three times already. 267 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:12,170 Sue... 268 00:15:18,970 --> 00:15:20,730 I'll call you back. 269 00:15:23,730 --> 00:15:25,890 They're suspending recordings for a month. 270 00:15:31,090 --> 00:15:33,250 So, is there anything else you haven't told me? 271 00:15:37,570 --> 00:15:39,130 Jesus, you're... 272 00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:41,210 ..you're meant to say no really quickly. 273 00:15:41,410 --> 00:15:43,137 You're meant to get really cross and say, 274 00:15:43,162 --> 00:15:44,394 "No, of course there isn't!" 275 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:47,170 No, of course there isn't. I need to speak to my solicitor. 276 00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:48,650 Well, don't just walk out now! 277 00:15:52,050 --> 00:15:53,610 Oh, hi, Usha. It's me. 278 00:15:53,810 --> 00:15:57,290 Sunil, I can't really talk right now. I'm at work. 279 00:15:57,490 --> 00:15:59,650 But I was wondering, could we meet up? 280 00:16:00,770 --> 00:16:02,250 Er, why? 281 00:16:03,290 --> 00:16:05,570 I'd really prefer not to say over the phone. 282 00:16:05,730 --> 00:16:07,850 I'd prefer to see you in person. 283 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:09,690 Right. 284 00:16:09,850 --> 00:16:11,650 I really wouldn't. 285 00:16:12,930 --> 00:16:16,330 Look, I know you have every right to be angry with me, Sunny. 286 00:16:16,490 --> 00:16:18,170 I know how much I hurt you. 287 00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:22,290 But I've been doing a lot of soul searching recently. 288 00:16:23,930 --> 00:16:25,370 And I've realised... 289 00:16:26,410 --> 00:16:27,810 ..I made a terrible mistake. 290 00:16:27,970 --> 00:16:30,290 I miss you and the girls. 291 00:16:30,450 --> 00:16:32,570 I miss us all living together. 292 00:16:34,650 --> 00:16:36,370 I want to come back. 293 00:16:40,690 --> 00:16:42,410 And has she got any proof of anything? 294 00:16:42,570 --> 00:16:43,770 Oh, I asked her exactly that. 295 00:16:43,930 --> 00:16:45,650 Which didn't go down very well. 296 00:16:45,850 --> 00:16:48,530 She got slightly defensive and asked me to leave. 297 00:16:48,730 --> 00:16:51,210 But what was your general sense of her, as a person? 298 00:16:51,370 --> 00:16:53,490 Did she...? Did she feel credible? 299 00:16:54,810 --> 00:16:57,810 It's hard to say. She certainly felt like a very damaged woman. 300 00:16:58,010 --> 00:17:02,010 If that makes her more or less credible, I don't know, Guv. 301 00:17:03,130 --> 00:17:05,970 OK, let's go for a Section 23 for her medical records, 302 00:17:06,170 --> 00:17:09,450 see if what Finch said about her mental health was true. Speak later. 303 00:17:09,610 --> 00:17:10,650 Guv. 304 00:17:16,970 --> 00:17:18,130 Are you all right? 305 00:17:20,290 --> 00:17:22,450 Not really, no. 306 00:17:22,610 --> 00:17:23,850 Talk to me. 307 00:17:32,610 --> 00:17:36,090 It was a day centre for adults with learning difficulties. 308 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:38,810 I met the team who ran it at a charity function 309 00:17:39,010 --> 00:17:42,050 and it turns out they needed someone to restructure their finances, 310 00:17:42,210 --> 00:17:44,130 so I offered my services. 311 00:17:44,290 --> 00:17:46,450 I genuinely wanted to help them. 312 00:17:47,490 --> 00:17:49,090 And then... 313 00:17:49,290 --> 00:17:52,690 ..my business started having some cash flow issues and, er... 314 00:17:54,690 --> 00:17:57,450 I only ever intended to borrow the money, Maria. 315 00:17:57,610 --> 00:17:59,170 I was always going to pay it back. 316 00:18:00,650 --> 00:18:04,010 Then a tax demand came in earlier than expected and... 317 00:18:06,330 --> 00:18:08,330 It was all just bad timing. 318 00:18:09,450 --> 00:18:11,690 No-one was more upset than me 319 00:18:11,890 --> 00:18:13,850 when they were evicted, I promise you. 320 00:18:16,050 --> 00:18:17,330 And the church thing... 321 00:18:19,810 --> 00:18:21,210 No excuses. 322 00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:24,970 Which is what I told the police. 323 00:18:25,170 --> 00:18:27,890 I deserve to be charged. I deserve to be punished. 324 00:18:28,050 --> 00:18:30,170 It was a terrible thing to do. 325 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:31,890 But that is it, Maria. 326 00:18:32,050 --> 00:18:33,930 That is everything. 327 00:18:34,090 --> 00:18:35,410 I promise. 328 00:18:36,930 --> 00:18:40,610 I had nothing to do with that poor girl's death. 329 00:18:42,010 --> 00:18:44,890 And I'm telling you all of this because 330 00:18:45,090 --> 00:18:49,010 I want you to know the very worst things that I've done... 331 00:18:50,330 --> 00:18:53,210 ..and to assure you that I have changed. 332 00:18:54,570 --> 00:18:57,690 You and the boys have changed me, Maria. 333 00:18:59,050 --> 00:19:00,810 I'm not that man any more. 334 00:19:05,010 --> 00:19:07,370 Thank you for finally being honest with me, Pete. 335 00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:11,050 I appreciate that. I really do. 336 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:15,490 And I accept you never meant to do any harm. 337 00:19:15,690 --> 00:19:18,530 I don't think you ever set out to harm. 338 00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:22,850 But let's just be clear... 339 00:19:24,530 --> 00:19:26,930 ..you only told me because I made you. 340 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:33,010 And you are deluded if you think this ushers in 341 00:19:33,170 --> 00:19:35,130 some new chapter in our lives. 342 00:19:35,330 --> 00:19:37,490 - Maz... - And more importantly, 343 00:19:37,530 --> 00:19:41,810 if you think I will allow my children 344 00:19:41,970 --> 00:19:44,090 to be brought up by a man like you, 345 00:19:44,250 --> 00:19:47,810 who steals from the disabled 346 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:49,450 and from old men... 347 00:19:51,450 --> 00:19:53,210 ..and worse. 348 00:19:53,410 --> 00:19:57,250 A man who's been lying to himself for so many years, 349 00:19:57,450 --> 00:20:00,050 he doesn't even know what the truth is any more. 350 00:20:01,290 --> 00:20:04,850 I think you could have killed that poor girl... 351 00:20:06,570 --> 00:20:10,290 ..and you could still sit here opposite me 352 00:20:10,450 --> 00:20:12,770 swearing it wasn't you, 353 00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:15,210 and actually believe it yourself. 354 00:20:15,370 --> 00:20:18,170 Maria, I did not kill her. 355 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:21,170 It's finished, Pete. 356 00:20:24,850 --> 00:20:26,210 Maria... 357 00:20:26,370 --> 00:20:28,170 Get your fucking hand off me! 358 00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:29,810 I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt you. 359 00:20:29,850 --> 00:20:31,090 I'm sorry. 360 00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:55,130 I'm not saying that. 361 00:20:55,290 --> 00:20:57,090 You literally just did. 362 00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:59,850 What I said was you've been... 363 00:21:01,930 --> 00:21:04,490 ..forgetting lots of things recently. 364 00:21:04,650 --> 00:21:06,770 And why not have a test, 365 00:21:06,810 --> 00:21:08,210 put your mind at rest? 366 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:10,210 My mind is at rest. 367 00:21:10,370 --> 00:21:11,490 OK, mine, then. 368 00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:13,850 Because it's not that relaxing wondering if... 369 00:21:13,890 --> 00:21:16,130 ..if today's the day you're going to burn the house down. 370 00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:19,330 Sorry, I meant... 371 00:21:21,330 --> 00:21:24,290 I think you need to take a bit of a look at yourself, Cass. 372 00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:26,970 Oh, really, is that a dad lecture coming up, is it? 373 00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:29,690 - Well, you clearly don't want me to be with Jenny. - Not true. 374 00:21:29,890 --> 00:21:32,730 - You clearly think she's trying to fleece me. - Er, a little bit. 375 00:21:32,930 --> 00:21:36,090 And I'm guessing suggesting that I have dementia 376 00:21:36,290 --> 00:21:38,730 is just another way of trying to scupper the relationship. 377 00:21:38,890 --> 00:21:41,210 But actually... the problem is you. 378 00:21:41,370 --> 00:21:43,570 Is it? How's that, then? 379 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:46,690 Well, you don't want me to leave, my love, because you're lonely. 380 00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:48,690 And I understand that. I really do. 381 00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:50,970 But I probably am going. 382 00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:54,050 And I probably am going to marry her. 383 00:21:54,210 --> 00:21:55,210 Hm... 384 00:21:57,010 --> 00:21:58,890 And you need to accept that. 385 00:22:06,810 --> 00:22:10,010 And of course Robert, the central male character of your first novel, 386 00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:13,370 was a working-class grammar school boy, 387 00:22:13,570 --> 00:22:15,490 who became a very successful journalist. 388 00:22:15,690 --> 00:22:17,850 This felt like a very personal story. 389 00:22:19,090 --> 00:22:20,690 Well, er... 390 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:23,330 ..the pain that the character of Annie goes through, 391 00:22:23,530 --> 00:22:26,210 as she discovers her husband has been serially unfaithful, 392 00:22:26,410 --> 00:22:29,050 was something I did feel I understood. 393 00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:32,730 But what I wanted to try and explore, 394 00:22:32,770 --> 00:22:34,570 through his multiple liaisons, 395 00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:36,610 was what it was in the male psyche 396 00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:41,770 that needed this constant sexual validation. 397 00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:43,850 I mean, was this, in fact, 398 00:22:44,050 --> 00:22:46,210 just a normal extension of male sexual identity 399 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:49,330 or did it suggest something darker, 400 00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:51,410 something more aberrant? 401 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:21,410 Who got her this? 402 00:23:21,570 --> 00:23:23,330 We had a collection, my team. 403 00:23:24,410 --> 00:23:25,930 Obviously, you'll want to, erm... 404 00:23:27,530 --> 00:23:29,690 ..choose your own for the funeral, but... 405 00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:34,370 ..bring her here, we all wanted something nice for her. 406 00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:35,610 Thank you. 407 00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:38,090 Thank all your team, please. 408 00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:52,970 I've asked, when we bury her, for them to arrange her... 409 00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:56,570 ..her bones, properly. 410 00:23:58,090 --> 00:24:01,330 And they're not to leave her anywhere in the dark before then. 411 00:24:02,530 --> 00:24:04,210 She didn't like the dark. 412 00:24:11,730 --> 00:24:14,130 I miss you, my darling sister. 413 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:17,930 I love you. 414 00:24:44,130 --> 00:24:47,890 I paid you your settlement, Derran, in full, 15 years ago. 415 00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:50,690 - So you say. -No, so the court says. 416 00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:53,770 I want the rest of it. 417 00:24:55,090 --> 00:24:56,490 Or you will regret it. 418 00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,450 And why will I regret it? 419 00:24:59,650 --> 00:25:01,970 Because I have evidence of what you did to me 420 00:25:02,170 --> 00:25:05,050 and I don't think you want them to see that, do you, the police? 421 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:06,210 Not right now. 422 00:25:07,210 --> 00:25:10,330 Oh, right, so you're blackmailing me now, are you? 423 00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:13,730 I just want what you owe me. 424 00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:16,970 OK. And how much do we think that is, then? 425 00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:19,850 50,000. 426 00:25:23,890 --> 00:25:27,370 You see, if you'd pitched it a little more realistically, 427 00:25:27,570 --> 00:25:29,730 you might have got ten grand out of me, 428 00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:30,810 just to be rid of you. 429 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:34,250 But you always were a bit dim. 430 00:25:35,770 --> 00:25:39,170 OK, go to the police, tell them what the fuck you like, 431 00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:41,330 but you're not getting anything out of me. 432 00:25:41,490 --> 00:25:43,490 And if you come back here again, 433 00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:45,250 I'll call the police for you. 434 00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:03,650 Carol, call me when you get this, please. 435 00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:05,530 I need to talk to you about something. 436 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:07,010 It's fairly urgent. 437 00:26:15,570 --> 00:26:18,130 And when did you last speak to your father, Miss Lowe? 438 00:26:18,330 --> 00:26:20,890 The last contact I had with him was when Mum died, six years ago. 439 00:26:21,010 --> 00:26:22,530 I wrote to him via his friend Tim. 440 00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:24,890 So you haven't actually spoken since...? 441 00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:26,610 The day Mum threw him out. 442 00:26:26,770 --> 00:26:27,970 Right. 443 00:26:29,050 --> 00:26:31,810 So, we spoke to your father 444 00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:33,970 and we spoke to his ex-business partner. 445 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:35,370 Helen. 446 00:26:35,530 --> 00:26:36,690 Yes. 447 00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:38,290 And they both offered a slight... 448 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:43,370 ..lack of clarity as to why he stood down from his own company 449 00:26:43,530 --> 00:26:45,650 and why the marriage then failed. 450 00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:48,250 We wondered if maybe... 451 00:26:48,410 --> 00:26:50,370 ..you could clarify anything. 452 00:26:50,530 --> 00:26:52,410 The two things were connected. 453 00:26:52,570 --> 00:26:54,970 They split because, in October 1999, 454 00:26:55,170 --> 00:26:57,330 police officers arrested him at his office 455 00:26:57,370 --> 00:26:59,370 as an early part of the Landmark case. 456 00:26:59,570 --> 00:27:01,224 Basically, he'd used his credit card 457 00:27:01,249 --> 00:27:02,634 to visit child abuse websites. 458 00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:06,450 A couple of months later, despite him begging her not to, 459 00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:08,450 Helen told Mum. 460 00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:10,010 Is that enough detail? 461 00:27:11,050 --> 00:27:12,050 Yes. 462 00:27:12,170 --> 00:27:13,930 Thank you. 463 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:38,494 Mel! 464 00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:40,110 Why would you do that? 465 00:27:40,208 --> 00:27:42,728 Why would you go on national radio and talk about him like that? 466 00:27:42,753 --> 00:27:45,132 - I think you know why. - Because you're lonely and bitter? 467 00:27:45,188 --> 00:27:48,190 - Because you can't bear to see him happy? - I've always liked you, Amy. 468 00:27:48,459 --> 00:27:50,739 I've always thought you were smart, ballsy. 469 00:27:52,046 --> 00:27:54,524 I even admire the fact that you're here right now. 470 00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:56,892 But that interview went out under 24 hours ago 471 00:27:56,917 --> 00:27:58,390 and already I have five e-mails 472 00:27:58,415 --> 00:28:00,005 from women I knew nothing about, 473 00:28:00,030 --> 00:28:01,580 and I knew about a lot, 474 00:28:01,963 --> 00:28:03,971 talking about his sexual tastes, 475 00:28:04,085 --> 00:28:07,525 his voracious appetite, the things he used to ask them to do. 476 00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:11,094 That stuff online about him and that poor girl scared them. 477 00:28:11,712 --> 00:28:12,952 And it scared me. 478 00:28:12,977 --> 00:28:16,291 And I'm sorry but... it should scare you. 479 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:19,830 What are you going to do with them, the e-mails? 480 00:28:19,858 --> 00:28:21,738 Send them to the police, of course. What else? 481 00:28:21,788 --> 00:28:23,455 That's why I did the interview. 482 00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:36,990 So, I've just re-checked and we have no record 483 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:39,190 of a Christopher Lowe on our systems at all. 484 00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:41,750 Could he have changed his name? 485 00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:43,389 Well, we know his surname was Lowe 486 00:28:43,414 --> 00:28:44,894 because it was in the company name. 487 00:28:45,030 --> 00:28:46,830 But maybe his first name? 488 00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:49,110 OK, we'll check. In the meantime... 489 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:52,590 ..Melissa Hollis forwarded these on to me. 490 00:28:52,790 --> 00:28:55,830 They're from various women James Hollis had relationships with 491 00:28:56,030 --> 00:28:58,280 whilst married to her and to his current wife. 492 00:28:58,305 --> 00:28:59,054 Nice. 493 00:28:59,230 --> 00:29:02,470 They detail some of his more... exotic exploits. 494 00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:05,150 A penchant for outdoor sex. 495 00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:08,710 One woman talks about a rape fantasy he asked her play out. 496 00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:11,070 - Anything illegal? - Not so far. 497 00:29:11,270 --> 00:29:14,870 Jake, did you manage to access Derran Finch's medical records? 498 00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:16,910 Er, yeah, I did. 499 00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:19,270 And, basically, her ex-husband was telling the truth. 500 00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:20,860 She has been treated for various 501 00:29:20,885 --> 00:29:22,774 mental health issues over the years. 502 00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:25,830 Though, I'm not sure if they tip over into the delusional, but... 503 00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:28,950 OK. Well, given what we've just learned about Chris Lowe, 504 00:29:29,150 --> 00:29:32,310 I think we should prioritise him right now. Let's get him down here. 505 00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:36,350 Can you tell me why you need to speak to me again? 506 00:29:36,550 --> 00:29:38,270 Because I told you everything I know. 507 00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:39,950 Some new information has come to light 508 00:29:40,150 --> 00:29:42,870 - which we'd like to go over with you. - What new information? 509 00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:45,350 Or I can get officers from our Bristol police station 510 00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:46,830 to arrest you and bring you down. 511 00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:49,150 You know, my friend made a complaint about your colleague 512 00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:50,750 and I just might make one about you. 513 00:29:50,910 --> 00:29:51,950 DI Sunil Khan. 514 00:29:52,150 --> 00:29:54,550 S-U-N-I-L K-H-A-N, Bishop's Street Police Station. 515 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,550 I can send you the right form, if you like. 516 00:29:58,990 --> 00:30:01,830 Well, I suppose I can be there by 12 tomorrow. 517 00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:03,430 See you at midday, Mr Lowe. 518 00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:13,830 Then, unfortunately, the police also then spoke to your mum, 519 00:30:14,030 --> 00:30:17,030 because she was obviously at the holiday house as well. 520 00:30:17,230 --> 00:30:19,630 - As were we, having a lovely time. - Indeed. 521 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:23,270 Anyway, I don't know specifically what she might have said to them, 522 00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:25,830 although I can imagine it was fairly negative about me. 523 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:28,230 But more importantly, 524 00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:31,350 she's now threatened to go to the police with evidence 525 00:30:31,550 --> 00:30:33,990 of some wrongdoing I've apparently committed against her... 526 00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:37,630 ..unless I give her £50,000. 527 00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:38,990 What? No way! 528 00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:41,350 - Oh, my God, that woman! - Dad, I'm so sorry. 529 00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:45,150 And you really don't need this after everything else. 530 00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:48,270 I doubt very much whether she'll go through with it. 531 00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:50,630 Not least because there is nothing, but... 532 00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:52,910 Yeah, I'll be honest, it's pretty tedious. 533 00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:56,735 And I'm afraid I did rather lose my temper with her. 534 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,894 I don't blame you. 535 00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:59,790 - So she drove down today? - Yeah. 536 00:30:59,990 --> 00:31:02,790 I pretty much came straight here from talking to her in my surgery. 537 00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:05,590 - Jesus... - And when did they first speak to you, then, the police? 538 00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:09,190 Er... Monday, I think it was. 539 00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:10,670 Monday? 540 00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:13,310 - Wow, that was three days ago. - Yeah, I know. 541 00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:15,470 I should have told you before, but... 542 00:31:15,670 --> 00:31:18,150 to be honest, the whole thing only took a couple of minutes. 543 00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:20,750 And if it hadn't have been for your mother ramping things up, 544 00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:23,110 I probably would have forgotten all about it. 545 00:31:23,150 --> 00:31:26,430 And I'm sure they're speaking to hundreds of potential witnesses. 546 00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:29,230 Basically, they're speaking to anyone and everyone 547 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:31,830 who was resident in the town that week. 548 00:31:32,030 --> 00:31:34,510 - That poor girl's parents. - I know. 549 00:31:34,670 --> 00:31:36,230 It's just brutal for them. 550 00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:38,230 I can't even begin to imagine. 551 00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:41,870 Right, well, I think a cup of tea is in order. 552 00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:43,150 Good idea. I'll help you. 553 00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:52,190 - You all right, love? - Yeah, yeah. All good. 554 00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:59,150 Is Jake around? 555 00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:00,830 Left already, I think. 556 00:32:01,030 --> 00:32:03,470 There's a lady downstairs, says she's Tim Finch's ex-wife 557 00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:05,910 and has some photos she would like to show him. 558 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:08,310 Guv... 559 00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:10,270 And when were these taken? 560 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:13,310 Mid-to late-'90s. 561 00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:15,150 And who took them? 562 00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:17,470 My friend Keera. 563 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:19,310 She used to live a few doors down from us. 564 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:21,430 Can we speak to Keera? 565 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:23,710 She died in 2003. 566 00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:24,750 Right. 567 00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:27,430 And she never suggested you speak to the police at the time? 568 00:32:27,630 --> 00:32:30,830 She did, but she also knew how scared I was of him... 569 00:32:31,870 --> 00:32:33,830 ..of what he might do if I did, 570 00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:36,190 so she knew it had to be my decision. 571 00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:38,190 Did you ever speak to a doctor about the injuries? 572 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:39,830 I was too scared he'd find out. 573 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:43,550 I have to say, Mrs Finch, 574 00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:46,390 we can't really see your face in these pictures 575 00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:50,830 and it could be quite hard to prove that this is actually you 576 00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:52,590 from over 20 years ago. 577 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:56,590 Who else would it be? 578 00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:57,830 Well, I don't know, but.... 579 00:32:57,950 --> 00:33:00,270 Why else would I drive all the way down here? 580 00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:03,870 I have nothing to gain from doing this. 581 00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:08,270 I just want to help you catch that poor little girl's killer. 582 00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:13,270 And I want you to understand what he is capable of. 583 00:33:16,790 --> 00:33:18,470 What do you think? 584 00:33:19,670 --> 00:33:23,230 I think this was a house fucking full of secrets and lies. 585 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:27,150 And I think it might be worth speaking to the kids 586 00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:29,710 to see what their experience of this marriage was. 587 00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:33,550 Maybe check his professional history. 588 00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:37,030 And then I think I want to sleep for a year. 589 00:33:42,390 --> 00:33:44,710 I have never lied to you, Amy. 590 00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:47,830 I always told you there would be other women that I.... 591 00:33:48,030 --> 00:33:50,390 Oh, come on, don't get coy now, other women that you fucked. 592 00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:51,750 But only one I loved. 593 00:33:52,990 --> 00:33:55,390 And liking a shag in the woods doesn't make me a murderer. 594 00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:57,870 Jesus! 595 00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:00,670 These journalists...! 596 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:07,110 - Pete! - She's kicked me out, Jamie. 597 00:34:07,270 --> 00:34:08,550 Can I kip at yours for a bit? 598 00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:13,310 I'm sorry you feel let down, mate, 599 00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:15,670 but I have issues of my own at the moment 600 00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:17,710 and I need to spend some time alone with Amy. 601 00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:19,270 Mate, I've nowhere to stay tonight. 602 00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:21,110 Then find a hotel, like a normal person. 603 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:24,190 - With what? - I gave you three grand two days ago. 604 00:34:24,350 --> 00:34:25,950 Nice. 605 00:34:26,110 --> 00:34:27,590 Just throw that back in my face. 606 00:34:27,790 --> 00:34:29,390 I'm not throwing it back in your face. 607 00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:31,390 I'm just reminding you that I have helped you 608 00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:33,230 innumerable times over the years, 609 00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:35,590 and the one time I say no, you get arsy. 610 00:34:35,630 --> 00:34:36,830 Grow up. 611 00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:38,150 Fine. 612 00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:44,110 You might just want to consider something, though. 613 00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:47,670 I know stuff, Jamie, 614 00:34:47,830 --> 00:34:50,270 about your boy that night. 615 00:34:50,430 --> 00:34:52,070 Stuff I've never mentioned before. 616 00:34:52,270 --> 00:34:55,270 You might just want to bear that in mind. 617 00:34:58,230 --> 00:35:00,350 Get the fuck out of my house. 618 00:35:22,590 --> 00:35:23,590 Oh... 619 00:35:43,049 --> 00:35:46,244 Well, call data records show that James Hollis rang Tim Finch 620 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,517 - about an hour after we interviewed him. - Oh, OK. 621 00:35:48,588 --> 00:35:51,520 And he also spoke to Pete Carr, but not to Chris Lowe. 622 00:35:51,633 --> 00:35:54,431 Interesting. Did any of the others ring Lowe? 623 00:35:54,538 --> 00:35:57,181 No, but Lowe rang Finch just after I called him yesterday. 624 00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,298 But the call length suggested it went straight to voice mail. 625 00:36:00,463 --> 00:36:04,480 So the most vulnerable of the four is left the most isolated. 626 00:36:04,507 --> 00:36:06,033 Which might be coincidence. 627 00:36:06,058 --> 00:36:07,909 - Yeah, or it might not be. - Yeah. 628 00:36:08,161 --> 00:36:10,059 Dr Finch, it turns out, has just been involved 629 00:36:10,113 --> 00:36:12,280 in a professional misconduct case. 630 00:36:12,314 --> 00:36:14,554 I mean, I should point out he was completely exonerated. 631 00:36:14,579 --> 00:36:16,165 But the allegation was, 632 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,840 "He was verbally abusive to an elderly patient, 633 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,880 "including an alleged threat to overdose her on morphine." 634 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,280 Wow. 635 00:36:26,114 --> 00:36:27,594 Violent to her? 636 00:36:27,923 --> 00:36:29,212 Jesus, God, no! 637 00:36:29,274 --> 00:36:31,790 No, we never saw any evidence of that. 638 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,600 I mean, Em was 11, I was 9 when they separated. 639 00:36:35,625 --> 00:36:38,040 So we weren't babies. If there'd been anything like that, 640 00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:39,882 we'd have had some sense of it. I know we would. 641 00:36:39,953 --> 00:36:41,297 But we just didn't, did we? 642 00:36:41,322 --> 00:36:44,150 Although you, erm, said earlier... 643 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,337 ..you were both at boarding school from 7 till 18. 644 00:36:49,965 --> 00:36:52,125 Yeah, but we were home holidays, lots of weekends. 645 00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:54,560 We saw a lot of our parents. We know who our father is. 646 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,760 That's not a violent man. Not to our mother. Not to anyone. 647 00:36:58,385 --> 00:36:59,425 So... 648 00:37:00,628 --> 00:37:02,157 ..you think these are fake? 649 00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:06,530 Fake or make-up or whatever. 650 00:37:06,587 --> 00:37:07,747 I don't... 651 00:37:07,822 --> 00:37:09,840 I don't really know or care. 652 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,040 What I do know, and I very much doubt she told you, 653 00:37:12,136 --> 00:37:14,946 is that she tried to get Dad to give her 50,000 quid for them. 654 00:37:16,603 --> 00:37:17,665 Right. 655 00:37:17,916 --> 00:37:19,885 - Sorry, when was this? - Yesterday. 656 00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:22,923 - I mean, he refused, of course. - Right. 657 00:37:22,978 --> 00:37:25,400 Look, our father is not a saint. 658 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,160 He can be controlling 659 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,517 and he certainly likes to get his own way, 660 00:37:29,572 --> 00:37:32,640 but everything you're implying to do with the Hayley Reid case is... 661 00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:34,460 It's just not possible. 662 00:37:38,128 --> 00:37:39,408 Thank you. 663 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,240 50 grand...! 664 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,400 Yeah. 665 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,400 Odd the other sister hardly said a word. 666 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,560 Yeah, I clocked that. 667 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,520 Bottom line, I suspect Derran Finch is a bit bonkers, but... 668 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,480 ..bonkers people tell the truth as well. 669 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,920 Sunny, what time's Lowe here? 670 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:15,520 He should be here now. 671 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:20,760 Oh, no... 672 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,520 Shit! 673 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,760 Shit! Shit! 674 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,280 What? 675 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,480 Obviously, I went straight back to the cafe, 676 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,080 but they'd had nothing handed in. 677 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,560 I'm so sorry, sir. 678 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,120 - So, whose file? - Pete Carr's. 679 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,840 Any sensitive stuff inside? 680 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,640 Lots. 681 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000 _ 682 00:38:51,924 --> 00:38:53,924 _ 683 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,300 _ 684 00:39:02,024 --> 00:39:04,024 _ 685 00:39:08,548 --> 00:39:12,548 _ 686 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,320 I feel like I'm slightly losing the plot. Don't be daft. 687 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,480 My dad, these files... 688 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,760 They'll turn up. It'll be fine. 689 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,000 You're just tired. It just makes everything seem worse. 690 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,600 - Come on, then, let's do Chris Lowe. - Ah... 691 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,960 He didn't turn up. 692 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,280 Right. 693 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,880 - Did he call? - No. 694 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,600 Nothing. I left a message on his mobile, 695 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,240 left it at his work, nothing. 696 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,760 - Boss? Have you got two minutes? - Sure, yeah. What's up? 697 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,616 - Er, I was doing a bit of a dig on Hollis, following the e-mails. - Yep. 698 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,600 I've found something I think we've all missed. 699 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,840 OK. 700 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,320 So the way the fathers all spoke about the kids, 701 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,040 kind of days out and bedtimes, 702 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,600 I think we just assumed they were all little ones. 703 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,560 And three of the four were. 704 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,707 Emma Finch was ten, 705 00:40:02,732 --> 00:40:05,024 her sister was eight and Maya Lowe was six. 706 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,640 But Eliot Hollis, it turns out he was about to turn 16. 707 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,640 And 16 with some issues. 708 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,480 Two arrests already for possession. 709 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,320 One for drunk and disorderly. 710 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,120 And this is a real stinger... 711 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,560 Erm, one for stealing his dad's car 712 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,840 a month before the Millennium. 713 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,480 Call the father back in now. 714 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,240 Hey, Mark. 715 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,720 Where are you? 716 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,560 Yeah, erm... on my way in. 717 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,600 Sorry, I was chasing down a... 718 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,200 I've had all your stuff boxed up. I'll leave it at reception. 719 00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,880 Sorry? 720 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,264 You stole from the disabled, 721 00:41:01,289 --> 00:41:03,064 never mind the Hayley Reid connections. 722 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:04,920 I don't want you anywhere near my business. 723 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,360 Mark, listen to me. 724 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,120 No matter what Maria's told you... 725 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,680 Maria hasn't told me anything. 726 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,240 Have you not been online? 727 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,080 Online? 728 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:14,560 No, why? 729 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:16,920 Google your name. 730 00:41:25,044 --> 00:41:27,544 _ 731 00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:30,068 _ 732 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,260 Jesus, there's one site here that's found a photo of him. 733 00:41:37,284 --> 00:41:38,484 _ 734 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,640 OK, I need to make a statement. 735 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,520 And we need to shut these websites down fast. 736 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,200 The press are going to slaughter us. 737 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,080 If you need to take me off the case, I'll understand completely. 738 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,217 For the record, I very much wantto stay 739 00:41:52,242 --> 00:41:54,224 and make good my mistake. 740 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,440 I need to find Pete Carr. 741 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,360 I didn't do it, Tim. I want you to know that. 742 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,240 Pete, you really don't need to convince me. 743 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,880 I've made mistakes. 744 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,240 I've done some pretty shabby things, I'll accept that. 745 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,120 But I'd never hurt anyone. 746 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,480 I never even saw Hayley Reid that night. 747 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,080 Yeah, I believe you. 748 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:18,920 Well, the police clearly don't. 749 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,760 And I'm not sure they believe a word I say now. 750 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,080 So I want to tell you something and I want you to tell the police. 751 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,250 OK, but I'm not sure they want to speak to me again. 752 00:42:29,275 --> 00:42:30,224 But if they do... 753 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,080 It's about Jamie's boy Eliot. 754 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,480 About something I saw that night. 755 00:42:47,004 --> 00:42:49,004 _ 756 00:42:49,028 --> 00:42:50,928 _ 757 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,200 Have you tried the arts centre? 758 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,720 Yeah, but they said that he wouldn't be in today. 759 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,280 - Right, well, that's where he told me he was going. - OK. 760 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,920 Well, I'll try his mobile again. 761 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,360 Is he in trouble? 762 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,200 I can't tell you any more, I'm afraid. 763 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,360 He's a very vulnerable man, DI Khan. 764 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,360 Tell me if I should be worried. 765 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,760 You have a son, I think. 766 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,200 Er, yes. 767 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,440 Asif. 768 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,400 Jamila, is there anywhere that you and Asif can go and stay 769 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,480 for the next few days that Christopher doesn't know about? 770 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,600 On behalf of the Metropolitan Police, 771 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,200 I wish to apologise to Mr Carr and his family 772 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,280 and indeed to Hayley Reid's family 773 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,680 for any distress that has been caused by my mistake. 774 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,760 I wish to reiterate that no arrests have been made. 775 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,320 No-one has been charged with anything. 776 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,960 And that Mr Carr is just one of many people 777 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,360 who are helping us with our enquiries. 778 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,480 I would like to remind people 779 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,200 that publication of these documents online is illegal... 780 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,400 ..and we will take action against anyone who does so. 781 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,240 I would also remind members of the public 782 00:44:25,275 --> 00:44:29,075 that we will be seeking prosecution for any online activity 783 00:44:29,197 --> 00:44:32,317 that seeks to incite violence against Mr Carr. 784 00:44:33,981 --> 00:44:38,181 And lastly, I would urge whoever found this document 785 00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:40,278 to take it to their nearest police station 786 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,320 and hand it in as soon as possible. 787 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,200 Thank you. 788 00:44:44,725 --> 00:44:45,800 Peter Carr? 789 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,080 Urgh! 790 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,920 Subtitles by TVT