1 00:00:20,158 --> 00:00:21,318 Anwen. 2 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,878 - Long time. - Steve. 3 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:26,678 We've done as you asked, removed Cooper from the scene. 4 00:00:26,679 --> 00:00:30,135 He is giving a statement down at Haverfordwest Station. 5 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:39,905 The paramedics put her on the floor for CPR. 6 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:42,957 We need the Home Office pathologist on this. 7 00:00:42,959 --> 00:00:44,639 I'll call the coroner. 8 00:00:45,518 --> 00:00:46,920 And Anwen... 9 00:00:46,959 --> 00:00:49,677 make sure everyone knows it's possible there's no crime here. 10 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:51,718 Cooper should be treated as sensitively 11 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:54,319 as any husband who's just lost his wife. 12 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,600 There's no signs of a struggle. 13 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,250 No bruising on the arms or neck. 14 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:12,733 We could have prevented this. 15 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,226 We won't know if he killed her until we get the pathologist's report. 16 00:01:21,118 --> 00:01:24,399 Till then, he won't be allowed back in the house. 17 00:01:24,438 --> 00:01:26,319 He's staying with his brother. 18 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:27,837 But this is a warning. 19 00:01:27,838 --> 00:01:30,911 John Cooper is out, and no good can come of that. 20 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:33,799 And... 21 00:01:33,838 --> 00:01:35,759 we could be shut down any day. 22 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,679 So, it's not good enough for us to sit around 23 00:01:38,718 --> 00:01:41,640 waiting for forensics to save our arses. 24 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:45,000 We have to make something happen. 25 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:49,879 Those khaki shorts are out there. 26 00:01:57,399 --> 00:01:58,599 Morning. 27 00:01:59,679 --> 00:02:04,040 Ahead of you is 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Cooper's last home. 28 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:07,920 Behind you is Sardis village. 29 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:09,713 This was his hunting ground. 30 00:02:09,738 --> 00:02:12,360 Those fields were his rat runs. 31 00:02:12,399 --> 00:02:13,957 And thanks to Huntsman, we know that 32 00:02:13,959 --> 00:02:15,997 these hedgerows were his so-called "safes", 33 00:02:15,998 --> 00:02:19,679 where he hid items he'd stolen or his offending gear. 34 00:02:19,718 --> 00:02:23,038 Now, these khaki shorts worried him in the interviews. 35 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:25,306 He thinks they're out there still. 36 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:48,158 Steve Wilkins, hello. 37 00:02:48,159 --> 00:02:51,317 Hello, Mr Wilkins. It's the Home Office pathologist here. 38 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:53,079 Hello, sir. 39 00:02:53,118 --> 00:02:55,359 Thank you for getting back to me so promptly. 40 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,918 - The results of Pat Cooper's postmortem. - Yeah? 41 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:00,079 She died of natural causes. 42 00:03:00,118 --> 00:03:02,079 - Natural causes? - Yes. 43 00:03:02,118 --> 00:03:04,479 - It was clearly heart failure. - Her heart? 44 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,800 OK. 45 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,878 All right. 46 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,117 Well, thank you for getting back. We appreciate it. 47 00:03:09,118 --> 00:03:10,118 No problem. 48 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,520 She saw this coming. 49 00:03:17,239 --> 00:03:20,346 She had an ad cut out from the paper about arranging your own funeral. 50 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:22,674 She knew. 51 00:03:22,998 --> 00:03:26,582 She knew living with him again would be the death of her. 52 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:28,919 Do you think he'll try and make contact with you? 53 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:29,978 No chance. 54 00:03:31,079 --> 00:03:32,158 What about the funeral? 55 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:33,399 He won't want me there. 56 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,564 What about what you want? 57 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,861 If you want to attend your mother's funeral, we can help with that. 58 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:41,438 Too much aggro. 59 00:03:42,269 --> 00:03:44,335 I'll go see her in my own time. 60 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:46,800 Andrew... 61 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,502 on behalf of my team and myself... 62 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:51,239 I'm sorry. 63 00:03:54,118 --> 00:03:55,799 It wasn't your fault. 64 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:59,360 Bad things happen around bad men. 65 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:06,649 He's right, Steve. 66 00:04:06,674 --> 00:04:08,400 It wasn't our fault. 67 00:04:08,438 --> 00:04:11,391 If Cooper was still inside, Pat would still be alive 68 00:04:11,416 --> 00:04:13,598 and Andrew would still have a mother. 69 00:04:19,559 --> 00:04:23,206 But with Pat out of the picture, he's even more dangerous. 70 00:04:23,678 --> 00:04:25,678 It's like a ticking time bomb. 71 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:29,678 Living on his own is new territory for him. 72 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:35,932 Just him and his thoughts. 73 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,079 His fantasies, compulsions. 74 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,319 Ten years' worth. 75 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,117 We have come together to commend our sister Patricia 76 00:04:54,119 --> 00:04:57,117 into the hands of Almighty God, our heavenly father. 77 00:04:57,119 --> 00:04:58,478 In the presence of death, 78 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,920 Christians have sure grounds for hope and confidence, 79 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:05,079 and even joy, because the Lord Jesus Christ, 80 00:05:05,119 --> 00:05:10,238 who shared our human life and death, was raised again triumphant 81 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,077 and lives evermore. In this faith, we put our trust. 82 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:15,920 Help us, we humbly beseech thee, Lord. 83 00:05:17,079 --> 00:05:19,839 Amen. 84 00:06:02,535 --> 00:06:03,736 Fuck! 85 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,199 Glyn... 86 00:06:06,238 --> 00:06:09,997 Huntsman recovered all the items of clothing from the house, correct? 87 00:06:09,999 --> 00:06:12,160 Yeah, they did, yeah. 88 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:15,865 - And they photographed every item? - Yeah. 89 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:18,519 Khaki shorts. 90 00:06:18,559 --> 00:06:20,079 They're the same. 91 00:06:20,119 --> 00:06:22,478 There's something wrong with this picture. 92 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,877 Could the colour be affected by the processing? The flash? 93 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:28,612 Yeah, I guess so. And it's an old picture. 94 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,423 We need to see what these shorts actually look like. 95 00:06:58,269 --> 00:06:59,750 Jesus Christ... 96 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:02,360 They are khaki. 97 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:04,759 But they do look a lot shorter. 98 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,920 Maybe he had them altered. 99 00:07:07,203 --> 00:07:08,722 Pat was a seamstress. 100 00:07:08,747 --> 00:07:09,678 May I? 101 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,197 Oh, Steve, elasticated waistband. No fly. 102 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:17,519 They... 103 00:07:17,559 --> 00:07:19,559 They look like women's shorts. 104 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:25,225 Yeah, well, they're all we've got. 105 00:07:26,838 --> 00:07:29,105 We're sending them in for testing. 106 00:07:40,435 --> 00:07:45,740 CREDITS 107 00:07:47,673 --> 00:07:49,194 Steve Wilkins. 108 00:07:49,235 --> 00:07:50,874 Steve, it's Angela Gallop. 109 00:07:50,875 --> 00:07:53,115 Are you driving, by any chance? 110 00:07:53,153 --> 00:07:55,274 It's OK, you're on speaker. 111 00:07:55,314 --> 00:07:57,380 I think you'd better pull over. 112 00:08:06,875 --> 00:08:08,074 OK. 113 00:08:08,115 --> 00:08:09,913 - What is it? - Right... 114 00:08:09,954 --> 00:08:12,394 So, we unpicked the hem of the shorts, like you asked, 115 00:08:12,395 --> 00:08:15,475 and we taped the uncovered area for fibres 116 00:08:15,514 --> 00:08:18,514 and noticed there is a faint stain. 117 00:08:18,553 --> 00:08:20,473 So, we went back to the exact same spot 118 00:08:20,475 --> 00:08:22,634 on the shorts and... 119 00:08:22,673 --> 00:08:25,074 found a tiny flake of blood. 120 00:08:27,052 --> 00:08:29,172 It's Peter Dixon's. 121 00:08:32,514 --> 00:08:34,913 - How sure are you? - Full profile. 122 00:08:34,953 --> 00:08:38,552 The probability of that blood having come from anybody else 123 00:08:38,553 --> 00:08:39,913 is a billion to one. 124 00:08:39,914 --> 00:08:41,980 It's your golden nugget, Steve. 125 00:08:44,321 --> 00:08:45,523 Steve? 126 00:08:47,394 --> 00:08:48,995 Are you still there? 127 00:08:51,913 --> 00:08:54,514 Please, don't take this the wrong way... 128 00:08:55,274 --> 00:08:58,834 but I bloody love you! 129 00:09:22,887 --> 00:09:24,958 Charge him with the lot. 130 00:09:27,995 --> 00:09:29,833 Including Nolton Hill? 131 00:09:29,875 --> 00:09:32,099 - The lot. - Yes! 132 00:09:34,875 --> 00:09:35,995 Thank you. 133 00:09:39,995 --> 00:09:41,193 Thank you. 134 00:09:43,754 --> 00:09:45,195 Check the vehicle. 135 00:09:46,445 --> 00:09:47,883 We're going in. 136 00:09:59,634 --> 00:10:00,913 Morning, John. 137 00:10:02,595 --> 00:10:03,994 John William Cooper, 138 00:10:03,995 --> 00:10:06,793 you're under arrest for the murders of Helen and Richard Thomas... 139 00:10:06,794 --> 00:10:09,577 - Fuck off! Get off me! Fuck off! - ...and Peter and Gwenda Dixon. 140 00:10:09,578 --> 00:10:10,714 You are also under arrest 141 00:10:10,715 --> 00:10:13,394 for attempted armed robbery, rape and sexual assault 142 00:10:13,395 --> 00:10:18,115 during an attack on five teenagers in Milford Haven in 1996. 143 00:10:21,634 --> 00:10:23,193 Boss... 144 00:10:24,833 --> 00:10:26,274 Jesus... 145 00:10:26,313 --> 00:10:29,047 And I found this in the glove compartment. 146 00:10:29,068 --> 00:10:30,570 _ 147 00:10:30,595 --> 00:10:33,193 We got him just in time. 148 00:10:40,661 --> 00:10:41,793 Right, John. 149 00:10:42,715 --> 00:10:44,713 You know Detective Inspector Richards. 150 00:10:44,715 --> 00:10:48,033 I am Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins. 151 00:10:48,073 --> 00:10:49,913 I know who you are. 152 00:10:54,715 --> 00:10:56,595 Can you see OK, John? 153 00:10:56,634 --> 00:10:58,622 I've got a spare pair of glasses if you need them. 154 00:11:01,553 --> 00:11:02,793 That's me. 155 00:11:02,833 --> 00:11:03,995 That isn't. 156 00:11:04,033 --> 00:11:06,716 The last time we met, you said you'd never had collar-length hair. 157 00:11:07,888 --> 00:11:10,949 Oh, so I forgot that I had collar-length hair 20 years ago. 158 00:11:10,974 --> 00:11:12,097 It's not a crime, is it? 159 00:11:12,122 --> 00:11:15,354 Let's talk about the shorts the man in the drawing's wearing, John. 160 00:11:15,355 --> 00:11:20,913 Mr Cooper is being shown a photo of item AJM/165. 161 00:11:20,953 --> 00:11:24,474 The khaki shorts recovered by Huntsman from 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 162 00:11:24,475 --> 00:11:26,312 Now, the last time you spoke to us, John, 163 00:11:26,313 --> 00:11:28,552 you said that you'd once owned a pair of 164 00:11:28,553 --> 00:11:30,394 what you described as khaki bathers. 165 00:11:30,395 --> 00:11:31,375 Is that them? 166 00:11:32,033 --> 00:11:33,475 Well... 167 00:11:33,514 --> 00:11:35,234 if they're from my home, maybe. 168 00:11:35,235 --> 00:11:37,192 Strictly speaking, they're not bathers, John. 169 00:11:37,193 --> 00:11:38,047 The fabric's too heavy. 170 00:11:38,072 --> 00:11:40,754 I used them as bathers. So, to me, that's what they are. 171 00:11:40,755 --> 00:11:42,913 During the interview in July 2008, 172 00:11:42,914 --> 00:11:45,673 you said that the shorts worn by the man in the drawing 173 00:11:45,674 --> 00:11:49,114 couldn't possibly be yours as your bathers were much shorter. 174 00:11:49,115 --> 00:11:51,433 See for yourself. 175 00:11:51,475 --> 00:11:56,475 For the tape, I'm showing Mr Cooper item AJM/165/B. 176 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:57,913 We unpicked the hem, John. 177 00:11:57,914 --> 00:12:00,832 So, do you see how, with the excess fabric turned down, 178 00:12:00,833 --> 00:12:04,234 the difference in length between the two pairs of shorts is reduced? 179 00:12:04,235 --> 00:12:06,432 If you do that to any garment, that's what'll happen. 180 00:12:06,433 --> 00:12:08,570 Yeah, we know your wife used to work as a seamstress. 181 00:12:08,595 --> 00:12:10,354 Did she alter these shorts? 182 00:12:10,355 --> 00:12:11,945 You leave my wife out of this. 183 00:12:11,970 --> 00:12:14,474 Since the July 2008 interviews, 184 00:12:14,475 --> 00:12:16,394 certain forensic discoveries have been made 185 00:12:16,395 --> 00:12:18,114 which we would like to discuss with you 186 00:12:18,115 --> 00:12:20,552 so that you can have an opportunity to comment. 187 00:12:20,553 --> 00:12:23,793 In reference to AJM/165/B, 188 00:12:23,833 --> 00:12:26,153 this white circle indicates an area 189 00:12:26,154 --> 00:12:28,351 where an amount of Peter Dixon's blood was found. 190 00:12:28,833 --> 00:12:32,514 Can you give us an explanation as to how that might be? 191 00:12:40,834 --> 00:12:45,304 Pat got most of my clothes from the Oxfam and Army Surplus. 192 00:12:47,033 --> 00:12:49,274 Oh, and you should also be talking to my son. 193 00:12:49,275 --> 00:12:52,432 As I told you all before, he was in the habit of borrowing my clothes. 194 00:12:52,433 --> 00:12:53,514 John... 195 00:12:54,687 --> 00:12:56,248 was Peter Dixon's blood 196 00:12:56,273 --> 00:12:58,842 deposited on the khaki shorts when you shot him? 197 00:12:59,995 --> 00:13:01,797 I've never killed anybody in my life. These shorts... 198 00:13:01,822 --> 00:13:04,148 sorry, bathers... 199 00:13:04,173 --> 00:13:08,649 were something of a treasure trove, John. Especially the pockets. 200 00:13:09,313 --> 00:13:12,193 Photo AJM/166. 201 00:13:12,235 --> 00:13:15,514 What this photo shows us, John, is a microscopic image 202 00:13:15,515 --> 00:13:18,354 of the fluff found in the pockets of your khaki bathers. 203 00:13:18,355 --> 00:13:20,552 Fluff that consisted of human hair. 204 00:13:20,553 --> 00:13:23,764 Yours. Skin cells. Also yours. 205 00:13:23,789 --> 00:13:25,875 But nothing of your son, though. 206 00:13:25,913 --> 00:13:29,531 Certain fabric fibres were also found in the fluff. 207 00:13:30,355 --> 00:13:33,634 For the tape, glove BB/109, 208 00:13:33,673 --> 00:13:37,913 found under the hedgerow near your home at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 209 00:13:37,953 --> 00:13:42,913 MTJ/5 and 7 recovered by Huntsman from the Sardis trail. 210 00:13:42,953 --> 00:13:44,673 John, are these three gloves yours? 211 00:13:44,674 --> 00:13:47,148 Absolutely not. 212 00:13:47,715 --> 00:13:51,432 As I told you before, Adrian was the glove-wearer in our family. 213 00:13:51,433 --> 00:13:54,274 I never wore gloves. I found them too cumbersome. 214 00:13:54,275 --> 00:13:56,867 What about the new pair we found in the boot of your car? 215 00:13:58,475 --> 00:13:59,793 Well... 216 00:13:59,834 --> 00:14:01,354 obviously, I wear gloves now. 217 00:14:01,355 --> 00:14:03,312 Now I'm older, I feel the cold more. 218 00:14:03,313 --> 00:14:05,514 Fibres exactly matching the constituent fibres 219 00:14:05,515 --> 00:14:08,433 of these three gloves were found in the fluff 220 00:14:08,475 --> 00:14:10,192 from the pockets of your khaki bathers. 221 00:14:10,193 --> 00:14:12,429 - How do you account for that? - Are you deaf? 222 00:14:16,394 --> 00:14:19,466 I told you, Adrian wore the bathers more than me. 223 00:14:20,195 --> 00:14:23,913 When two articles of clothing come into contact with each other, 224 00:14:23,914 --> 00:14:26,045 there is always an exchange of fibres. 225 00:14:26,070 --> 00:14:27,673 On glove BB/109, 226 00:14:27,715 --> 00:14:30,274 our team found fibres from another source. 227 00:14:30,275 --> 00:14:32,793 For the tape, BM/1, 228 00:14:32,834 --> 00:14:35,274 a sock belonging to Richard Thomas. 229 00:14:35,313 --> 00:14:38,033 The only item of clothing recovered from his body 230 00:14:38,034 --> 00:14:42,033 after it was destroyed in the fire at Scoveston Park in 1985. 231 00:14:42,073 --> 00:14:46,274 Fibres from this sock were found on glove BB/109. 232 00:14:46,313 --> 00:14:49,514 And fibres from this glove were found on this sock. 233 00:14:49,797 --> 00:14:52,429 - Are you with me so far, John? - Oh, keep talking, yeah. 234 00:14:52,454 --> 00:14:53,273 I know you want to. 235 00:14:53,298 --> 00:14:56,072 These discoveries are consistent with the accepted view 236 00:14:56,073 --> 00:14:58,394 that Richard Thomas' killer wore gloves 237 00:14:58,395 --> 00:15:00,714 when he dragged his body from the outbuilding 238 00:15:00,715 --> 00:15:03,033 into the main house at Scoveston. 239 00:15:03,073 --> 00:15:04,952 Are you listening to this, huh? 240 00:15:04,953 --> 00:15:07,274 - This is Fantasy Island. - John... 241 00:15:07,313 --> 00:15:08,754 are you the person responsible 242 00:15:08,755 --> 00:15:10,514 for the murder of Richard and Helen Thomas 243 00:15:10,515 --> 00:15:12,847 at Scoveston Park in December 1985? 244 00:15:14,514 --> 00:15:15,833 No. 245 00:15:15,875 --> 00:15:17,235 I was not. 246 00:15:17,274 --> 00:15:19,274 Fibres are the gifts that keep on giving, John. 247 00:15:19,275 --> 00:15:21,033 Other fibres, from a different source, 248 00:15:21,034 --> 00:15:23,553 were found on gloves MTJ/5 and 7. 249 00:15:25,086 --> 00:15:27,715 For the tape, BKG/9. 250 00:15:27,754 --> 00:15:30,193 Those fibres were an exact match 251 00:15:30,235 --> 00:15:33,354 with constituent fibres found in the underwear of a young female 252 00:15:33,355 --> 00:15:37,874 who was raped on the evening of the 6th March 1996 253 00:15:37,914 --> 00:15:40,832 in a field by the Nolton Hill Estate, Milford Haven. 254 00:15:40,834 --> 00:15:44,274 John, are you the person who, on 6th March 1996, 255 00:15:44,313 --> 00:15:46,113 pointed a gun at five young people, 256 00:15:46,114 --> 00:15:49,033 three females and two males, on Nolton Hill 257 00:15:49,073 --> 00:15:50,941 and searched them for money? 258 00:15:52,313 --> 00:15:54,114 Mr Cooper has not answered. 259 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:57,931 John, are you the person who raped one of the young females? 260 00:16:00,154 --> 00:16:01,913 Mr Cooper has not answered. 261 00:16:01,914 --> 00:16:03,953 John, are you the person who indecently assaulted 262 00:16:03,955 --> 00:16:06,073 one of the other young females? 263 00:16:14,914 --> 00:16:16,113 For the tape... 264 00:16:16,114 --> 00:16:20,544 PH/2, the sawn-off shotgun found on the Sardis trail, 265 00:16:20,569 --> 00:16:21,873 which matches the description 266 00:16:21,874 --> 00:16:24,793 given by two of the victims of the Nolton Hill attack, 267 00:16:24,794 --> 00:16:27,033 and the victim in the Sardis robbery, 268 00:16:27,034 --> 00:16:30,594 a crime we know you were convicted of in 1998. 269 00:16:30,634 --> 00:16:32,312 If you're gonna say that you found my DNA 270 00:16:32,313 --> 00:16:34,274 on that, I told her... 271 00:16:34,313 --> 00:16:36,754 about the prosecution making me handle it during the trial. 272 00:16:36,755 --> 00:16:40,274 Well, we did find DNA on the gun, John. 273 00:16:40,313 --> 00:16:41,715 But not yours. 274 00:16:41,754 --> 00:16:44,955 You see the black finish on the barrel and stock? 275 00:16:45,955 --> 00:16:48,434 Anvileen satin black metal paint. 276 00:16:48,475 --> 00:16:52,955 For the tape, JAW/100, 277 00:16:52,995 --> 00:16:56,995 recovered by Huntsman from the shed at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 278 00:16:57,033 --> 00:16:59,195 John... 279 00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:01,873 were you the one who applied this paint to the barrel of the gun? 280 00:17:01,874 --> 00:17:04,434 That is not... 281 00:17:04,474 --> 00:17:07,755 my gun. 282 00:17:07,794 --> 00:17:09,393 We had the paint removed. 283 00:17:09,394 --> 00:17:12,874 On some of the flakes, our forensic scientists 284 00:17:12,914 --> 00:17:16,307 noticed a reddish cast that tested positive for blood. 285 00:17:16,994 --> 00:17:18,994 Peter Dixon's blood. 286 00:17:19,034 --> 00:17:20,954 John... 287 00:17:20,994 --> 00:17:25,594 did you shoot Peter and Gwenda Dixon with this gun? 288 00:17:31,755 --> 00:17:34,762 - What are you doing, John? - John... 289 00:17:35,674 --> 00:17:38,154 Sit down, John. 290 00:18:09,449 --> 00:18:11,249 Erin James? 291 00:18:11,289 --> 00:18:13,790 Erin Davies. I'm married. 292 00:18:14,489 --> 00:18:16,209 Hi, Erin. 293 00:18:16,249 --> 00:18:18,648 I'm Detective Inspector Ella Richards. 294 00:18:18,650 --> 00:18:21,048 This is Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins. 295 00:18:21,049 --> 00:18:22,569 Mm, I remember you. 296 00:18:31,929 --> 00:18:34,449 Erin, we've recently arrested a man 297 00:18:34,489 --> 00:18:37,130 on suspicion of committing four murders. 298 00:18:37,169 --> 00:18:39,688 We also believe he was the man who attacked you 299 00:18:39,689 --> 00:18:41,368 and your friends in 1996. 300 00:18:42,769 --> 00:18:44,449 After all this time? 301 00:18:44,489 --> 00:18:47,449 I'm so sorry. I realise this must be a shock. 302 00:18:47,489 --> 00:18:50,388 Why couldn't you have done this 13 years ago? 303 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,449 Erin... 304 00:18:52,489 --> 00:18:54,088 may I say something? 305 00:18:58,289 --> 00:19:00,089 We know we let you down. 306 00:19:01,609 --> 00:19:04,688 All we want is to see to it the man who hurt you and your friends 307 00:19:04,689 --> 00:19:06,888 never gets to hurt anyone else ever again. 308 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:09,156 And you can help make that happen. 309 00:19:11,009 --> 00:19:13,288 All of you will be assigned Family Liaison Officers 310 00:19:13,289 --> 00:19:15,488 to support you and your family through the process. 311 00:19:15,489 --> 00:19:17,208 The trial won't be for weeks yet. 312 00:19:17,209 --> 00:19:19,729 I won't be taking part in any trial. 313 00:19:19,769 --> 00:19:22,048 None of you will be required to appear in court. 314 00:19:22,049 --> 00:19:24,583 Everything will be done via video link. 315 00:19:25,609 --> 00:19:28,328 You won't have to be in the same room as him. 316 00:19:28,329 --> 00:19:31,209 My husband doesn't know I was raped. 317 00:19:43,866 --> 00:19:44,744 How was it? 318 00:19:44,769 --> 00:19:47,409 Leanne Dauncey will testify. 319 00:19:47,449 --> 00:19:50,407 Erin's angry, but Leanne thinks she can talk her round. 320 00:19:50,409 --> 00:19:53,608 Karen Joseph's out of the question. She's practically housebound. 321 00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:56,593 She's had mental health issues ever since the attack. 322 00:19:57,169 --> 00:19:59,368 The two boys won't cooperate, either. 323 00:19:59,369 --> 00:20:02,585 Not after everything that happened with the original investigation. 324 00:20:03,569 --> 00:20:06,448 The trial begins at Swansea Crown Court tomorrow 325 00:20:06,449 --> 00:20:10,969 of 65-year-old John William Cooper of Letterston, Pembrokeshire. 326 00:20:11,009 --> 00:20:13,768 Cooper has been charged with the four murders 327 00:20:13,769 --> 00:20:15,728 and with the rape and indecent assault 328 00:20:15,729 --> 00:20:19,929 of two teenage girls at Milford Haven in 1996. 329 00:20:29,929 --> 00:20:32,888 The defence will make much of the fact that the khaki shorts 330 00:20:32,890 --> 00:20:35,009 are indeed women's shorts. 331 00:20:35,049 --> 00:20:38,368 That it makes no sense that the defendant was wearing them 332 00:20:38,369 --> 00:20:41,170 when he brutally murdered Mr and Mrs Dixon. 333 00:20:41,650 --> 00:20:46,257 But murder cases have a habit of defying common sense. 334 00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:49,450 According to the son of Mr and Mrs Dixon... 335 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:53,648 whenever his parents went walking and his mother was wearing 336 00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:56,728 long trousers, she would always put a pair of shorts 337 00:20:56,729 --> 00:21:00,650 in her backpack in case the weather turned warm. 338 00:21:00,689 --> 00:21:03,747 But no shorts of any description were found 339 00:21:03,772 --> 00:21:05,663 at the Coastal Path crime scene. 340 00:21:06,209 --> 00:21:08,009 Why? 341 00:21:09,689 --> 00:21:12,768 Imagine the sequence of events, ladies and gentlemen. 342 00:21:12,769 --> 00:21:17,049 The defendant shoots the Dixons at close range. 343 00:21:17,089 --> 00:21:20,147 He then moves their bodies and covers them with branches. 344 00:21:20,849 --> 00:21:23,444 In the process, some of their blood... 345 00:21:23,469 --> 00:21:27,968 judging by these distressing images, probably a lot of their blood - 346 00:21:27,969 --> 00:21:30,022 gets onto his trousers. 347 00:21:30,374 --> 00:21:34,991 In a panic, he goes through his victims' backpacks and finds... 348 00:21:36,249 --> 00:21:39,489 Mrs Dixon's khaki shorts. 349 00:21:39,529 --> 00:21:41,768 He removes his own blood-stained trousers 350 00:21:41,769 --> 00:21:45,194 and puts on Mrs Dixon's shorts and quits the scene, 351 00:21:45,219 --> 00:21:50,255 taking his trousers with him, unaware that a single spot 352 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,905 of Peter Dixon's blood had found its way onto the shorts. 353 00:22:00,929 --> 00:22:02,849 How come you're not inside? 354 00:22:04,809 --> 00:22:07,624 The SIO is the last Crown witness. 355 00:22:08,289 --> 00:22:10,848 I'm not allowed in until I give my evidence. 356 00:22:10,849 --> 00:22:12,450 How are you feeling? 357 00:22:13,769 --> 00:22:15,489 Ready as I'll ever be. 358 00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:18,130 Come on. 359 00:22:21,449 --> 00:22:24,968 This police artist's impression was based on 360 00:22:24,993 --> 00:22:28,128 a witness sighting of the defendant as he withdrew cash 361 00:22:28,130 --> 00:22:33,409 from a NatWest ATM in Haverfordwest using Peter Dixon's bank card. 362 00:22:33,449 --> 00:22:38,329 The sighting was made two days after the murder and yet, incredibly, 363 00:22:38,369 --> 00:22:42,249 the defendant was still wearing Mrs Dixon's khaki shorts. 364 00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:46,851 A hugely incriminating piece of evidence linking him to two murders. 365 00:22:46,876 --> 00:22:52,209 Why on earth had he not disposed of them at the earliest opportunity? 366 00:22:52,249 --> 00:22:56,489 Think about what that says about the mind of John William Cooper. 367 00:22:57,335 --> 00:22:59,443 Was he thumbing his nose at the world, 368 00:22:59,468 --> 00:23:04,089 convinced that he was too clever to be caught for his horrific crime? 369 00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:08,369 Or was his motivation darker, stranger? 370 00:23:08,409 --> 00:23:14,476 Did he regard Mrs Dixon's shorts as a trophy to be worn with pride... 371 00:23:15,489 --> 00:23:19,769 and perhaps just a touch of sexual gratification? 372 00:23:19,809 --> 00:23:23,529 Whatever the explanation, this drawing shows a killer 373 00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:26,625 wearing an item of clothing stolen from a woman 374 00:23:26,650 --> 00:23:28,969 he has murdered in cold blood. 375 00:23:29,009 --> 00:23:31,890 The defendant has always maintained 376 00:23:31,929 --> 00:23:34,368 that this drawing bears no resemblance to himself 377 00:23:34,369 --> 00:23:36,849 as he was in the summer of 1989. 378 00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:39,929 But due to an extraordinary quirk of fate, 379 00:23:39,969 --> 00:23:42,568 one month before the Coastal Path murders, 380 00:23:42,569 --> 00:23:45,289 his likeness was captured on video 381 00:23:45,329 --> 00:23:49,105 during his appearance on a game show on national television. 382 00:23:49,969 --> 00:23:52,301 The resulting image speaks volumes. 383 00:24:00,650 --> 00:24:02,409 This is you. 384 00:24:02,449 --> 00:24:05,249 Now, he can see you. But you can't see him. 385 00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:08,769 And, er... be warned. 386 00:24:08,809 --> 00:24:11,488 His defence barrister will be rough with you. 387 00:24:11,489 --> 00:24:13,848 He'll try and paint you as the unreliable witness 388 00:24:13,849 --> 00:24:15,248 with an axe to grind. 389 00:24:15,249 --> 00:24:17,009 No worries, Steve. 390 00:24:17,049 --> 00:24:18,808 I've got my dragon scales for protection. 391 00:24:18,809 --> 00:24:21,609 Let's have the jury back in, please. 392 00:24:28,009 --> 00:24:30,608 Both the barristers will refer to you as Adrian. 393 00:24:30,609 --> 00:24:32,968 That's just so the jury doesn't get confused. 394 00:24:32,969 --> 00:24:34,209 No problem. 395 00:24:34,249 --> 00:24:37,528 Mr Evans, are you content to begin your cross-examination...? 396 00:24:37,529 --> 00:24:39,462 Why did you change your name? 397 00:24:41,689 --> 00:24:44,355 Cos he was the one that called me Adrian. 398 00:24:45,489 --> 00:24:48,021 It was more of a girl's name back then. 399 00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:52,866 You know that Johnny Cash song, A Boy Named Sue? 400 00:24:53,650 --> 00:24:55,329 He played it constantly. 401 00:24:56,890 --> 00:24:59,289 "Adrian, they're playing your song." 402 00:25:01,049 --> 00:25:02,410 He said he called me a girl's name 403 00:25:02,411 --> 00:25:04,671 for the same reason as the father in the song. 404 00:25:05,929 --> 00:25:07,449 To toughen me up... 405 00:25:08,249 --> 00:25:09,929 cos I'd have to fight. 406 00:25:10,849 --> 00:25:13,317 Maybe it's the one thing he got right. 407 00:25:14,650 --> 00:25:16,329 I'm a stubborn bastard. 408 00:25:17,929 --> 00:25:19,568 Isn't it true, Adrian, 409 00:25:19,569 --> 00:25:23,449 that when you were living at 28 Rose Meadow Lane 410 00:25:23,489 --> 00:25:26,167 you often used to wear your father's clothes? 411 00:25:26,585 --> 00:25:28,289 No, I never wore his clothes. 412 00:25:28,329 --> 00:25:30,449 What about gloves, Adrian? 413 00:25:30,489 --> 00:25:33,030 Isn't it true that you were the glove-wearer of the family? 414 00:25:33,929 --> 00:25:36,249 I used to wear gloves. But so did he. 415 00:25:36,921 --> 00:25:39,161 And who do you mean by "he"? 416 00:25:41,049 --> 00:25:42,491 John Cooper. 417 00:25:43,369 --> 00:25:45,329 Your father? 418 00:25:47,209 --> 00:25:48,733 Yes, sir. 419 00:25:49,449 --> 00:25:53,650 Isn't it true, Adrian, that from the age of 11 420 00:25:53,689 --> 00:25:57,368 you started to become disobedient both at home and at school? 421 00:25:57,369 --> 00:25:58,905 Yes, a bit, maybe. 422 00:25:58,930 --> 00:26:01,407 Your disobedience developed into theft, did it not, 423 00:26:01,409 --> 00:26:03,288 stealing money from your mother and father? 424 00:26:03,289 --> 00:26:04,329 No! 425 00:26:05,374 --> 00:26:06,688 I never stole any money from my parents. 426 00:26:06,689 --> 00:26:08,209 I'm not a thief. 427 00:26:10,374 --> 00:26:13,357 A few days after the murders of Mr and Mrs Dixon, 428 00:26:13,382 --> 00:26:16,249 a gold band was sold to a jewellers in Pembroke Dock, 429 00:26:16,289 --> 00:26:18,515 which the prosecution claim 430 00:26:18,969 --> 00:26:23,396 was the wedding ring the killer removed from Peter Dixon's corpse. 431 00:26:23,421 --> 00:26:26,288 The transaction was recorded by the jeweller on a receipt 432 00:26:26,289 --> 00:26:29,729 bearing the signature J Cooper. 433 00:26:29,769 --> 00:26:31,528 The court has heard that your father, 434 00:26:31,529 --> 00:26:33,927 John William Cooper, stated that the sig... 435 00:26:35,466 --> 00:26:36,945 ...jeweller's receipt was not... 436 00:26:37,769 --> 00:26:41,650 and that the usual form of his signature is JW Cooper. 437 00:26:41,689 --> 00:26:44,208 Isn't it true, Adrian, that when you lived at... 438 00:26:44,209 --> 00:26:46,927 28 Rose Meadow Lane, you were in 439 00:26:46,929 --> 00:26:49,648 the habit of forging the signatures of both your mother and father 440 00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:52,608 for the purpose of fraudulently cashing cheques in their names? 441 00:26:52,609 --> 00:26:53,848 No, that's totally untrue. 442 00:26:53,849 --> 00:26:55,768 You deny that you were an accomplished forger 443 00:26:55,769 --> 00:26:57,328 of both your mother... 444 00:26:57,329 --> 00:26:59,328 ...and father's signature? 445 00:26:59,329 --> 00:27:02,008 - I can't hear what you're saying. - Can't hear... 446 00:27:02,009 --> 00:27:04,130 or refuse to hear, Adrian? 447 00:27:04,169 --> 00:27:06,728 Sorry, Mr Evans, we're having a technical issue this end. 448 00:27:06,729 --> 00:27:10,248 Your voice keeps cutting out. One minute, please. 449 00:27:15,009 --> 00:27:17,608 Carry on, Mr Evans. It should be OK now. 450 00:27:19,209 --> 00:27:21,329 I put it to you, Adrian, 451 00:27:21,369 --> 00:27:24,728 that for reasons known only to yourself, you have long 452 00:27:24,729 --> 00:27:27,808 harboured a passionate vendetta against your father. 453 00:27:27,809 --> 00:27:30,106 That, because of this vendetta, 454 00:27:30,131 --> 00:27:31,808 in your dealings with the police in both 455 00:27:31,809 --> 00:27:34,248 the Huntsman and the Ottawa investigations, 456 00:27:34,249 --> 00:27:37,009 you have done everything in your power 457 00:27:37,049 --> 00:27:39,728 to assist them in their singled-minded persecution 458 00:27:39,729 --> 00:27:40,842 of your father. 459 00:27:40,867 --> 00:27:43,888 Indeed, that you see your appearance in court today as merely 460 00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:46,248 another opportunity to spread more lies. 461 00:27:46,249 --> 00:27:48,715 Do you really think I want to be here? 462 00:28:04,689 --> 00:28:07,483 Erin, Leanne, thank you for coming. 463 00:28:08,089 --> 00:28:11,249 These are our parents and Erin's husband. 464 00:28:12,369 --> 00:28:15,328 Er, we'll show you to the room you'll be giving your evidence from. 465 00:28:15,329 --> 00:28:19,529 We've decided to give our evidence in court. 466 00:28:20,489 --> 00:28:21,529 Oh? 467 00:28:22,849 --> 00:28:24,329 Karen died. 468 00:28:25,729 --> 00:28:27,009 What happened? 469 00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:28,650 Her health... 470 00:28:28,689 --> 00:28:30,827 finally gave out. 471 00:28:31,729 --> 00:28:34,169 - We're doing this for her. - Yeah. 472 00:28:34,209 --> 00:28:36,276 - And Stephen and David. - Yeah. 473 00:28:47,969 --> 00:28:49,528 Are you OK? 474 00:28:49,529 --> 00:28:51,009 Tissues and water. 475 00:29:10,329 --> 00:29:13,249 We often played in the woods... 476 00:29:13,578 --> 00:29:15,018 by our estate. 477 00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:18,249 There was a rope swing. 478 00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:20,557 So, we were mucking about on that. 479 00:29:23,449 --> 00:29:24,969 About... 480 00:29:25,009 --> 00:29:28,009 eight o'clock it got dark, so we headed home. 481 00:29:28,049 --> 00:29:30,993 We took the shortcut across the farmer's field. 482 00:29:32,218 --> 00:29:36,178 We were about halfway along when we heard a noise. 483 00:29:37,809 --> 00:29:39,929 We all turned round... 484 00:29:39,969 --> 00:29:43,936 and saw someone coming towards us, shining a torch in our eyes. 485 00:29:45,449 --> 00:29:49,249 I thought it was a boy we knew, so I shouted at him... 486 00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:54,686 ..."Shine the light in our eyes, why don't you, Martin?" 487 00:29:57,489 --> 00:30:00,609 But the person shouted back in a man's voice... 488 00:30:01,929 --> 00:30:04,289 ..."Do I look like Martin?" 489 00:30:06,650 --> 00:30:09,116 We all thought it was the farmer then. 490 00:30:09,969 --> 00:30:11,089 But, erm... 491 00:30:11,130 --> 00:30:17,449 as he came closer, we could see he had a mask on over his head with... 492 00:30:17,489 --> 00:30:20,289 holes for the mouth and eyes... 493 00:30:20,329 --> 00:30:24,332 and er, he had a shotgun pointing at us. 494 00:30:25,849 --> 00:30:31,043 Er, David started to apologise to the man for us being on his land. 495 00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:33,715 The man told him to shut up 496 00:30:34,543 --> 00:30:36,784 and er, he... 497 00:30:36,809 --> 00:30:39,343 hit him over the head with the shotgun. 498 00:30:40,369 --> 00:30:41,409 And, erm... 499 00:30:45,329 --> 00:30:47,529 David started crying then. 500 00:30:47,569 --> 00:30:52,130 And then he told us to walk down to the lower part of the field, 501 00:30:52,169 --> 00:30:55,144 which you can't see from the estate. 502 00:30:56,769 --> 00:30:57,809 He... 503 00:30:57,849 --> 00:30:59,969 made us say our names. 504 00:31:00,009 --> 00:31:02,009 His voice was angry. 505 00:31:02,049 --> 00:31:03,782 We were all really scared. 506 00:31:04,729 --> 00:31:07,737 And then he told us to lie down on the ground... 507 00:31:08,369 --> 00:31:10,702 and keep our faces in the grass. 508 00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:13,449 And then I felt him... 509 00:31:14,409 --> 00:31:17,169 pulling my hair at the back. 510 00:31:21,849 --> 00:31:23,529 He told me to stand up... 511 00:31:28,449 --> 00:31:30,128 ...and to go with him. 512 00:31:32,729 --> 00:31:35,608 Mrs Davies, the ordeal that you and your friends suffered 513 00:31:35,609 --> 00:31:38,929 on the evening of 6th March 1996 514 00:31:38,969 --> 00:31:40,729 happened 15 years ago. 515 00:31:40,769 --> 00:31:42,449 You were a girl of 16. 516 00:31:42,489 --> 00:31:43,650 Yeah. 517 00:31:43,689 --> 00:31:46,369 You were terrified. It was dark. 518 00:31:46,409 --> 00:31:47,448 Given all that, 519 00:31:47,449 --> 00:31:49,648 how reliable do you think your memory is 520 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:51,717 of the events which took place? 521 00:31:53,253 --> 00:31:56,253 I remember every detail like it was yesterday. 522 00:31:58,329 --> 00:32:00,730 You don't forget something like that. 523 00:32:02,351 --> 00:32:03,591 You try to. 524 00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:06,650 But you can't. 525 00:32:07,267 --> 00:32:10,747 Did the man who attacked you ever remove his mask? 526 00:32:11,449 --> 00:32:12,449 No. 527 00:32:13,609 --> 00:32:15,409 So, to be clear... 528 00:32:15,894 --> 00:32:21,209 ...at no time did you, or any of your friends, see his face? 529 00:32:26,009 --> 00:32:27,329 No. 530 00:32:46,568 --> 00:32:49,048 This man in the photograph is the real John Cooper. 531 00:32:49,512 --> 00:32:52,972 A loving husband who was married to his wife for 42 years. 532 00:32:53,648 --> 00:32:56,410 We had a son who was the apple of our eye. 533 00:32:58,209 --> 00:33:01,082 An apple that went bad and broke his mother's heart. 534 00:33:02,169 --> 00:33:05,490 I believe that the heart attack that killed my wife 535 00:33:05,529 --> 00:33:07,663 was brought on because of the... 536 00:33:07,689 --> 00:33:11,529 the stress, the sadness and the shame 537 00:33:11,568 --> 00:33:14,481 because of all the time that I spent in prison as an innocent man. 538 00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:20,214 The police and Mr Elias tell you I'm a liar. 539 00:33:20,239 --> 00:33:23,169 That I'm lying when I say that most of my clothes, 540 00:33:23,194 --> 00:33:26,328 most significantly, my khaki bathers, were second-hand. 541 00:33:26,329 --> 00:33:27,529 Well... 542 00:33:27,568 --> 00:33:30,009 obviously, they don't know what it's like to be poor. 543 00:33:30,010 --> 00:33:32,848 This suit that I'm wearing today, it's second-hand. 544 00:33:32,849 --> 00:33:34,368 In my wardrobe at home, 545 00:33:34,369 --> 00:33:37,473 I've got an overcoat second-hand that I wore to my wife's funeral. 546 00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:43,449 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I spent ten years of my life 547 00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:45,768 in prison for crimes that I did not commit. 548 00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:48,495 Please... Please, do not allow 549 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,028 the police to carry out another miscarriage of justice against me. 550 00:33:53,369 --> 00:33:55,288 I am not a murderer. 551 00:33:55,329 --> 00:33:57,450 I am not a rapist. 552 00:33:57,607 --> 00:34:00,527 I am an innocent man who's been wronged. 553 00:34:00,552 --> 00:34:01,809 Thank you. 554 00:34:03,696 --> 00:34:05,216 Mr Elias... 555 00:34:05,529 --> 00:34:07,087 it's a quarter to four. 556 00:34:07,088 --> 00:34:10,048 This would probably be a suitable time for me to rise. 557 00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:12,329 Are you content to begin your cross-examination 558 00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:13,849 of Mr Cooper tomorrow? 559 00:34:13,850 --> 00:34:15,288 If My Lord would permit, 560 00:34:15,289 --> 00:34:17,728 I would like to have a few minutes with Mr Cooper. 561 00:34:18,263 --> 00:34:20,889 - Very well, Mr Elias. - Thank you, My Lord. 562 00:34:20,929 --> 00:34:22,929 All right, Mr Cooper... 563 00:34:22,969 --> 00:34:25,288 I would like to ask you a few questions about 564 00:34:25,289 --> 00:34:27,088 the balaclava which was discovered 565 00:34:27,089 --> 00:34:29,688 under the hedgerow near the scene of the Sardis robbery. 566 00:34:30,231 --> 00:34:32,489 Ladies and gentlemen, you will remember 567 00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:37,369 that this is the balaclava which, in the course of the Huntsman trial, 568 00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:38,769 it was found that 569 00:34:38,809 --> 00:34:42,585 there were a number of the defendant's head hairs within it. 570 00:34:43,608 --> 00:34:47,969 Could you please give Mr Cooper exhibit MTJ/14, please? 571 00:34:50,168 --> 00:34:52,289 It's all right, Mr Cooper. 572 00:34:52,329 --> 00:34:54,248 The item has been cleared forensically. 573 00:34:54,249 --> 00:34:57,115 Touching it won't compromise you in any way. 574 00:35:02,010 --> 00:35:03,409 Mr Cooper... 575 00:35:03,683 --> 00:35:05,364 is that your balaclava? 576 00:35:06,409 --> 00:35:07,768 To the best of my knowledge. 577 00:35:07,769 --> 00:35:09,449 Yes or no, Mr Cooper? 578 00:35:11,247 --> 00:35:13,768 Yes. But I did not commit the Sardis robbery. 579 00:35:13,809 --> 00:35:16,009 Like I said, that was stolen off my boat 580 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:17,768 long before it was found under the hedgerow. 581 00:35:17,769 --> 00:35:20,568 But you accept that the balaclava is yours? 582 00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:23,208 Yes. 583 00:35:23,248 --> 00:35:28,088 Mr Cooper, that isn't what you told the jury during the Huntsman trial 584 00:35:28,128 --> 00:35:29,648 in 1998, is it? 585 00:35:30,688 --> 00:35:32,409 I know. I made a mistake. 586 00:35:32,786 --> 00:35:37,583 During that trial, under oath, you denied that the balaclava was yours. 587 00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:42,168 So, my question to you, Mr Cooper, 588 00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:45,369 is were you lying to the jury then... 589 00:35:45,409 --> 00:35:48,737 - or are you lying to the jury now? - I'm not a liar. 590 00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:51,568 - I forgot. I made a mistake. - Let me rephrase the question. 591 00:35:51,569 --> 00:35:52,849 What was the truth? 592 00:35:52,850 --> 00:35:56,728 What you told the jury in 1998 or what you've told the jury today? 593 00:35:56,729 --> 00:35:59,088 No, I didn't deliberately... 594 00:35:59,128 --> 00:36:00,248 I misremembered. 595 00:36:00,249 --> 00:36:04,449 Misremembered in 1998 or misremembered today, Mr Cooper? 596 00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:09,530 Mr Cooper... 597 00:36:09,568 --> 00:36:11,128 the question is a simple one. 598 00:36:11,129 --> 00:36:12,329 Which was it? 599 00:36:12,369 --> 00:36:16,889 What you said to the court in 1998 or what you have told us today? 600 00:36:22,969 --> 00:36:24,051 Today. 601 00:36:24,076 --> 00:36:28,128 So, you admit that in 1998 you lied to that jury? 602 00:36:28,168 --> 00:36:30,436 - Yes, but... - Thank you, My Lord. 603 00:36:36,409 --> 00:36:37,489 So... 604 00:36:38,489 --> 00:36:40,170 ...members of the jury... 605 00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:44,914 ...it is now time for you to retire to consider your verdicts. 606 00:36:45,849 --> 00:36:49,208 Remember, at all times, you must keep in mind 607 00:36:49,248 --> 00:36:53,568 that it is for the Crown to prove the guilt of John William Cooper... 608 00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:57,248 ...not for the defence to prove his innocence. 609 00:36:57,289 --> 00:37:02,010 If the Crown have failed to do that, then you must find him... 610 00:37:02,050 --> 00:37:03,568 not guilty. 611 00:37:23,608 --> 00:37:25,128 - All right? - Yeah. 612 00:37:26,289 --> 00:37:27,608 What are those? 613 00:37:27,648 --> 00:37:29,849 That's my post-verdict statements for the press. 614 00:37:29,850 --> 00:37:32,091 Guilty. Not guilty. 615 00:37:32,688 --> 00:37:35,817 Well, you can get rid of that one. 616 00:37:36,289 --> 00:37:38,449 That's my letter of resignation. 617 00:37:38,489 --> 00:37:40,050 What? 618 00:37:40,088 --> 00:37:43,032 I'd have failed the victims and their families. 619 00:37:56,449 --> 00:37:57,969 Verdict. 620 00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:59,289 All rise! 621 00:38:03,168 --> 00:38:05,449 Whatever the judgment is... 622 00:38:05,489 --> 00:38:07,489 we receive it with dignity. 623 00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:12,369 Ella, Lynne, Glyn, Nigel, Rambo, it's been an honour 624 00:38:12,409 --> 00:38:14,128 and a privilege. 625 00:38:19,248 --> 00:38:21,449 - Cheers, boss. - Cheers, boss. 626 00:38:21,489 --> 00:38:23,956 Let's have the jury in, please. 627 00:38:43,969 --> 00:38:46,369 Will the foreman please stand? 628 00:38:48,248 --> 00:38:50,449 Will the defendant please stand? 629 00:38:53,128 --> 00:38:54,889 My Lord, the jury has been in retirement 630 00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:57,833 - for eight hours and ten minutes. - Thank you. 631 00:38:59,489 --> 00:39:03,449 Mr Foreman, please answer my next question yes or no. 632 00:39:03,489 --> 00:39:06,809 Have you reached a verdict on which you are all agreed? 633 00:39:06,810 --> 00:39:08,369 Yes. 634 00:39:08,409 --> 00:39:11,329 Is that in relation to all 11 counts? 635 00:39:11,369 --> 00:39:12,608 Yes. 636 00:39:13,648 --> 00:39:17,608 On count one of the indictment, the murder of Helen Thomas, 637 00:39:17,648 --> 00:39:20,879 do you find the defendant, John William Cooper, 638 00:39:20,904 --> 00:39:22,690 guilty or not guilty? 639 00:39:26,342 --> 00:39:28,742 - Guilty. - Guilty. 640 00:39:30,168 --> 00:39:32,285 On count two of the indictment, 641 00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:36,074 the murder of Richard Thomas, guilty or not guilty? 642 00:39:36,471 --> 00:39:38,632 - Guilty. - Guilty. 643 00:39:39,637 --> 00:39:42,208 On count three of the indictment, 644 00:39:42,248 --> 00:39:46,489 the murder of Gwenda Dixon, guilty or not guilty? 645 00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:48,409 Guilty. 646 00:39:48,449 --> 00:39:51,530 On count four of the indictment, 647 00:39:51,568 --> 00:39:54,926 the murder of Peter Dixon, guilty or not guilty? 648 00:39:55,618 --> 00:39:56,618 Guilty. 649 00:39:57,530 --> 00:40:00,329 On count five of the indictment, 650 00:40:00,369 --> 00:40:02,208 the rape of Erin Davies, 651 00:40:02,248 --> 00:40:03,688 nee James... 652 00:40:04,969 --> 00:40:06,650 ...guilty or not guilty? 653 00:40:09,688 --> 00:40:12,104 - Guilty. - Rubbish! 654 00:40:12,129 --> 00:40:13,648 That's rubbish! 655 00:40:13,688 --> 00:40:15,809 I'm not a child rapist! 656 00:40:15,849 --> 00:40:17,409 This is not justice! 657 00:40:17,410 --> 00:40:21,768 On count six of the indictment, the indecent assault of Leanne Dauncey, 658 00:40:21,769 --> 00:40:23,530 guilty or not guilty? 659 00:40:25,050 --> 00:40:26,889 - Guilty. - This is rubbish! 660 00:40:26,929 --> 00:40:28,728 You've not heard all the evidence! 661 00:40:28,729 --> 00:40:31,195 This is a fit-up! This is not justice! 662 00:40:31,208 --> 00:40:33,929 Mr Cooper, be quiet, or I will have you removed. 663 00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:35,929 We love you, John! 664 00:40:35,969 --> 00:40:40,168 On counts seven, eight, nine, ten and 11, 665 00:40:40,208 --> 00:40:44,648 the offences of attempted robbery, guilty or not guilty? 666 00:40:44,688 --> 00:40:46,010 Guilty. 667 00:40:48,208 --> 00:40:49,489 John William Cooper, 668 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:52,849 the jury have found you guilty of all 11 counts on the indictment. 669 00:40:52,850 --> 00:40:54,288 Shut up, you stupid bastard! 670 00:40:54,289 --> 00:40:57,489 I hereby sentence you to life imprisonment. 671 00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:59,969 The crimes for which you have been convicted 672 00:40:59,970 --> 00:41:04,168 are of such evil wickedness, the mandatory sentence of life... 673 00:41:04,208 --> 00:41:07,530 - This is not justice! - ..will mean just that. 674 00:41:07,568 --> 00:41:10,568 - I'm an innocent man! - Take him down. 675 00:41:10,608 --> 00:41:12,530 This is not justice! 676 00:41:12,568 --> 00:41:14,128 This is persecution! 677 00:41:14,129 --> 00:41:18,568 Persecution of John Cooper, carried out by Steve Wilkins! 678 00:41:18,608 --> 00:41:22,088 A man is gonna spend time in prison for a crime he did not commit! 679 00:41:22,089 --> 00:41:25,301 I am not a rapist! I am not a murderer! 680 00:41:25,969 --> 00:41:28,088 This is a fit-up! 681 00:41:28,128 --> 00:41:30,795 I am not a murderer! 682 00:41:38,889 --> 00:41:42,298 Today's verdicts give the families of Richard and Helen Thomas, 683 00:41:42,323 --> 00:41:44,002 Peter and Gwenda Dixon, 684 00:41:44,027 --> 00:41:46,168 and the five victims of the Nolton Hill attack 685 00:41:46,169 --> 00:41:48,728 and their families justice. 686 00:41:48,768 --> 00:41:51,528 But there is no sentence the court could have imposed 687 00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:52,688 on John William Cooper 688 00:41:52,689 --> 00:41:55,632 that could ever compensate them for their loss. 689 00:41:56,535 --> 00:41:59,648 Today's verdicts are a warning to all individuals 690 00:41:59,688 --> 00:42:01,889 who would commit such terrible crimes. 691 00:42:02,201 --> 00:42:03,882 Whatever they touch... 692 00:42:04,215 --> 00:42:06,379 ...will bear witness against them. 693 00:42:06,404 --> 00:42:08,492 Evidence lasts. 694 00:42:08,517 --> 00:42:10,198 It does not forget. 695 00:42:10,223 --> 00:42:11,489 And it cannot lie. 696 00:42:13,699 --> 00:42:17,768 And it will always be found by those with the will to find it. 697 00:42:19,489 --> 00:42:21,208 Thank you. 698 00:42:25,168 --> 00:42:27,449 On behalf of Dyfed Powys Police, 699 00:42:27,489 --> 00:42:31,168 I would like to pay tribute to the officers of Operation Ottawa 700 00:42:31,169 --> 00:42:34,728 for their diligence and their professionalism. 701 00:42:36,505 --> 00:42:39,239 Are you ready for your exclusive, Mr Hill? 702 00:42:39,969 --> 00:42:41,289 Thanks, Steve. 703 00:42:42,929 --> 00:42:44,728 - Are we good? - Yeah. 704 00:42:47,929 --> 00:42:51,684 Detective Superintendent, can I get your reaction to today's sentencing? 705 00:42:56,088 --> 00:42:58,088 Yeah, really great. Really nice. 706 00:42:58,089 --> 00:43:00,048 - Yeah? - Brilliant. Yeah, it's amazing. 707 00:43:00,050 --> 00:43:01,730 - Great. - It's all here. 708 00:43:01,768 --> 00:43:02,929 - He loves it? - Yeah. 709 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:05,088 - Awesome. - It's all yours. 710 00:43:05,128 --> 00:43:06,929 - Much appreciated. - Enjoy. 711 00:43:06,969 --> 00:43:08,969 I'll look after it, I promise. 712 00:43:09,449 --> 00:43:11,010 Thanks. 713 00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:35,409 Boss... 714 00:43:35,449 --> 00:43:37,250 Visitor for you downstairs. 715 00:43:44,088 --> 00:43:46,208 Hey, what's this? 716 00:43:46,248 --> 00:43:49,009 - I thought you were in school? - Yeah, I got the afternoon off. 717 00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:51,449 I thought I'd come and see where it all happened. 718 00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:54,578 Well, there's not much to see now. 719 00:43:56,289 --> 00:44:00,648 "There is no greater responsibility or duty placed on a human being 720 00:44:00,688 --> 00:44:03,489 "than to investigate the circumstances of the death 721 00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:05,170 "of another human being." 722 00:44:06,688 --> 00:44:08,688 Quite the job description, eh? 723 00:44:24,929 --> 00:44:27,329 I've decided sixth form's not for me. 724 00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:29,791 Are you OK with that? 725 00:44:31,584 --> 00:44:33,866 - Does your mother know? - Yeah. 726 00:44:34,618 --> 00:44:35,819 She blames you. 727 00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:38,530 Of course she does. 728 00:44:43,088 --> 00:44:45,422 I'm thinking of joining the police. 729 00:44:47,489 --> 00:44:48,849 Seriously? 730 00:44:49,969 --> 00:44:51,568 What about the football? 731 00:44:51,569 --> 00:44:53,289 Ah, come on, Dad. 732 00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:55,015 I'm good, but I'm not that good. 733 00:44:56,088 --> 00:44:58,609 What makes you think you'd be any better as a policeman? 734 00:44:58,634 --> 00:45:00,809 You made a success of it. How hard can it be? 735 00:45:00,810 --> 00:45:02,768 Watch it! 736 00:45:44,849 --> 00:45:46,809 I should've stayed. 737 00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:52,168 We should've talked. 738 00:45:56,648 --> 00:45:58,530 I'm sorry, Ma. 739 00:46:01,127 --> 00:46:06,937 CREDITS