1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:02,015 _ 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,046 _ 3 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:06,078 _ 4 00:00:06,117 --> 00:00:08,085 _ 5 00:00:08,110 --> 00:00:09,830 _ 6 00:00:09,855 --> 00:00:11,632 ...two, one. 7 00:00:12,558 --> 00:00:14,797 Good evening. We are live in Pembrokeshire, 8 00:00:14,798 --> 00:00:17,516 where there have been dramatic developments 9 00:00:17,517 --> 00:00:19,437 involving two of Wales' most baffling crimes. 10 00:00:19,438 --> 00:00:23,317 Decades on, these two double murders are being reinvestigated. 11 00:00:23,318 --> 00:00:25,076 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins 12 00:00:25,077 --> 00:00:28,037 is the man leading this reinvestigation. 13 00:00:28,077 --> 00:00:31,877 Developments in DNA analysis have revolutionised 14 00:00:31,917 --> 00:00:33,678 cold case reviews. 15 00:00:33,718 --> 00:00:36,596 As a team, we have brought these processes to bear on these 16 00:00:36,597 --> 00:00:39,357 two investigations, and they have had a significant impact. 17 00:00:39,358 --> 00:00:42,622 And do you think it's the same local man responsible 18 00:00:42,637 --> 00:00:44,837 - for all four murders? - I do believe that, Jonathan. 19 00:00:44,838 --> 00:00:47,636 Thanks to the advances in DNA forensic science, 20 00:00:47,637 --> 00:00:49,276 we are now in a much stronger position 21 00:00:49,277 --> 00:00:52,158 to catch the person responsible. 22 00:00:54,478 --> 00:00:56,196 - Happy? - That went quick. 23 00:00:56,197 --> 00:00:58,663 - Not so bad, was it? - No. Thank you. 24 00:01:17,921 --> 00:01:21,398 CREDITS 25 00:01:43,324 --> 00:01:44,886 _ 26 00:01:52,277 --> 00:01:55,117 Prisoner Intelligence say that Cooper's new favourite place 27 00:01:55,118 --> 00:01:56,357 is the library. 28 00:01:56,398 --> 00:01:58,331 His specialist subject... DNA. 29 00:01:59,357 --> 00:02:00,597 The news item worked. 30 00:02:00,598 --> 00:02:02,997 He's worried we've found something. 31 00:02:03,038 --> 00:02:05,557 Oh, a date for the diary. 32 00:02:05,598 --> 00:02:08,476 Dyffryn Prison's governor has given us our dates for the interviews. 33 00:02:08,477 --> 00:02:10,078 A month from now. 34 00:02:10,118 --> 00:02:13,157 Monday, June 30th to Wednesday, July 2nd. 35 00:02:13,198 --> 00:02:15,756 We've got three days to get inside his head, 36 00:02:15,757 --> 00:02:18,877 find out the exhibits that give him night sweats. 37 00:02:18,918 --> 00:02:22,036 Rambo, we should find out if there are any psychologists out there 38 00:02:22,037 --> 00:02:24,237 who have interviewed him. We want their insights. 39 00:02:24,238 --> 00:02:25,477 Right you are. 40 00:02:25,518 --> 00:02:28,437 Boss, that was Pembroke Dock Police Station. 41 00:02:28,477 --> 00:02:29,957 Andrew Cooper was found collapsed 42 00:02:29,958 --> 00:02:32,756 by the railway tracks last night outside Fishguard. 43 00:02:32,757 --> 00:02:34,316 He was taken to Withybush Hospital. 44 00:02:34,341 --> 00:02:37,081 He claimed he overdid it on his pain medication. 45 00:02:37,106 --> 00:02:38,425 By the railway tracks? 46 00:02:38,450 --> 00:02:41,597 Apparently, he's adamant he wasn't trying to kill himself. 47 00:02:41,638 --> 00:02:43,935 He checked out of the hospital this morning. 48 00:02:47,678 --> 00:02:49,237 Tried to kill himself? 49 00:02:49,238 --> 00:02:51,436 Didn't try very hard, did he? He's still breathing. 50 00:02:51,437 --> 00:02:52,493 John... 51 00:02:52,518 --> 00:02:54,038 Anyway, guess what? 52 00:02:55,437 --> 00:02:57,570 The police want to interview me. 53 00:02:57,597 --> 00:03:00,669 That stuff on the news. I'm their bloody suspect. 54 00:03:02,078 --> 00:03:04,957 - Why you? - Well, it's the same as before, hm? 55 00:03:04,958 --> 00:03:07,156 Cos it's easier to frame an innocent man 56 00:03:07,157 --> 00:03:09,197 than it is for them to do their job. 57 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,957 Now, you'd better be on your toes. They might wanna talk to you. 58 00:03:12,168 --> 00:03:13,527 Talk to me? 59 00:03:14,678 --> 00:03:16,876 What about? I don't know anything. 60 00:03:16,877 --> 00:03:19,237 When they come knocking, that's exactly what you tell them. 61 00:03:19,238 --> 00:03:22,935 And don't go running off to Adrian cos you feel sorry him. He's a rat. 62 00:03:23,477 --> 00:03:26,872 And anything you say to him will go directly back to the police. 63 00:03:33,118 --> 00:03:34,477 I'm coming! 64 00:03:38,597 --> 00:03:39,958 Hello, Andrew. 65 00:03:40,997 --> 00:03:42,118 Hello. 66 00:03:43,157 --> 00:03:46,285 Sorry to bother you. I heard you'd been in hospital. 67 00:03:46,310 --> 00:03:47,798 How are you doing? 68 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,200 I'm fine. 69 00:03:53,067 --> 00:03:54,417 Well, I just wanted you to know 70 00:03:54,442 --> 00:03:56,357 that if you feel like you need some support, 71 00:03:56,358 --> 00:03:58,358 we can sort something for you. 72 00:03:59,597 --> 00:04:01,730 I don't need anything like that. 73 00:04:03,037 --> 00:04:04,802 You don't have to worry about me. 74 00:04:21,878 --> 00:04:23,437 Dr Harry Stephens... 75 00:04:23,438 --> 00:04:26,676 ...is a forensic psychologist from Liverpool University. 76 00:04:26,677 --> 00:04:31,037 Now, he interviewed Cooper for a book about violent offenders. 77 00:04:31,078 --> 00:04:33,837 He's the only person to have gone on record 78 00:04:33,838 --> 00:04:36,316 as saying that Cooper is a psychopath. 79 00:04:36,341 --> 00:04:38,214 He also told us that, 80 00:04:38,239 --> 00:04:41,097 like most psychopaths, Cooper is a narcissist 81 00:04:41,122 --> 00:04:43,597 and we should treat him accordingly. 82 00:04:43,638 --> 00:04:45,477 Like royalty. 83 00:04:45,518 --> 00:04:49,037 Er, pamper him into a false sense of security. 84 00:04:49,078 --> 00:04:53,117 Nige, we need you to find a suitable station for the interviews. 85 00:04:53,157 --> 00:04:55,878 Sterile, clean, quiet holding cells. 86 00:04:55,917 --> 00:04:58,683 And make sure the custody sergeant is very charming. 87 00:04:58,708 --> 00:04:59,739 Yes, boss. 88 00:05:00,106 --> 00:05:02,637 Dr Stephens also recommended that one of the interview team 89 00:05:02,638 --> 00:05:03,677 be a woman. 90 00:05:03,717 --> 00:05:07,824 Yeah, apparently, Cooper has a very low opinion of female intelligence. 91 00:05:07,849 --> 00:05:12,117 And a woman opposite him might make him drop his guard. 92 00:05:12,157 --> 00:05:14,517 - Are you up for that, missus? - Let me at him. 93 00:05:14,518 --> 00:05:17,156 That's settled, then. You and Rambo in the room. 94 00:05:17,157 --> 00:05:19,942 - What about you, boss? - I don't think it's clever. 95 00:05:20,198 --> 00:05:23,917 We know he's seen me on TV. I'm the face of the investigation. 96 00:05:23,942 --> 00:05:25,357 That could rattle him. 97 00:05:25,398 --> 00:05:28,997 No, I shall sit in the cheap seats with you lot on video link. 98 00:05:28,998 --> 00:05:31,958 Hey, here's to our interview team, then. 99 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:34,438 Rambo and Bimbo. 100 00:05:34,477 --> 00:05:36,277 Oh...! 101 00:05:37,917 --> 00:05:39,356 I'll ask you again, John. 102 00:05:39,357 --> 00:05:42,535 Regarding the murders of Peter and Gwenda Dixon, 103 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,755 were you the person responsible? 104 00:05:46,263 --> 00:05:47,886 He starts off cooperative. 105 00:05:47,911 --> 00:05:49,716 Then, when your man gets heavy-handed, 106 00:05:49,717 --> 00:05:51,276 down comes the portcullis. 107 00:05:51,277 --> 00:05:53,677 So, we keep it non-confrontational. 108 00:05:53,717 --> 00:05:57,917 Er, maybe even avoid any direct questions about the murders. 109 00:05:58,356 --> 00:06:00,152 If we can't talk about the murders, 110 00:06:00,177 --> 00:06:02,035 how are we supposed to get anything useful out of him? 111 00:06:02,060 --> 00:06:03,758 You talk about the exhibits. 112 00:06:04,497 --> 00:06:05,730 That's what this is all about, 113 00:06:05,755 --> 00:06:07,981 trying to draw out which ones he's worried about, 114 00:06:08,006 --> 00:06:12,052 which ones he thinks might bear a trace of his or his victims' DNA. 115 00:06:19,117 --> 00:06:20,597 Jack? 116 00:06:31,117 --> 00:06:32,597 Someone's keen. 117 00:06:33,838 --> 00:06:35,971 I've got a trial for the county. 118 00:06:36,318 --> 00:06:37,998 No way! 119 00:06:38,037 --> 00:06:39,717 Ah, that's great. 120 00:06:39,758 --> 00:06:41,717 Well done, Wilkins Junior! 121 00:06:41,758 --> 00:06:43,891 Do you think you can come along? 122 00:06:46,717 --> 00:06:48,197 - No, it's OK. - No, no, no. 123 00:06:48,198 --> 00:06:50,825 Bollocks. I'll be there. 124 00:06:50,998 --> 00:06:52,198 Well done, son! 125 00:06:53,157 --> 00:06:54,878 - Food? - Aye. 126 00:07:28,917 --> 00:07:29,917 All right? 127 00:07:31,078 --> 00:07:32,078 Yeah. 128 00:07:34,597 --> 00:07:36,730 I'll see you in sunny Ammanford. 129 00:07:36,758 --> 00:07:38,438 Steve Wilkins. 130 00:07:38,477 --> 00:07:40,597 Hello, boss, this is Control. 131 00:07:40,638 --> 00:07:44,998 Cooper has left Dyffryn Prison. ETA Ammanford 09:00. 132 00:07:45,037 --> 00:07:46,998 They're all set up for you. 133 00:08:09,797 --> 00:08:11,558 I found the kitchen, boss. 134 00:08:12,065 --> 00:08:13,346 Thanks. 135 00:08:17,677 --> 00:08:18,958 Yep? 136 00:08:19,998 --> 00:08:21,677 He's here. 137 00:08:28,717 --> 00:08:30,518 Good morning, John. 138 00:08:30,558 --> 00:08:32,605 I hope you had a comfortable journey. 139 00:08:32,630 --> 00:08:33,757 Oh, yes. 140 00:08:33,798 --> 00:08:35,198 Business class. 141 00:08:36,517 --> 00:08:38,903 See, it doesn't cost anything to be polite. 142 00:08:43,318 --> 00:08:44,918 He takes the bait. 143 00:08:45,114 --> 00:08:46,513 He's old. 144 00:08:51,481 --> 00:08:53,481 He still looks strong, though. 145 00:09:01,038 --> 00:09:02,318 All right, boss. 146 00:09:04,517 --> 00:09:05,637 Morning. 147 00:09:05,678 --> 00:09:07,198 Good morning, John. 148 00:09:08,198 --> 00:09:10,106 Where's the big cheese, then, the one off the telly? 149 00:09:10,131 --> 00:09:14,429 Detective Superintendent Wilkins won't be joining us, John. 150 00:09:16,226 --> 00:09:18,292 Oh, he likes to watch, does he? 151 00:09:20,434 --> 00:09:21,593 OK, John... 152 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,363 ...1978. 153 00:09:23,388 --> 00:09:26,237 The year you won Spot The Ball. 154 00:09:26,278 --> 00:09:28,038 £94,000 155 00:09:28,078 --> 00:09:30,958 That's about £800,000 in today's money. 156 00:09:30,997 --> 00:09:32,596 Your life was good at the time. 157 00:09:32,597 --> 00:09:35,958 You bought Big House Farm at Rosemarket. 158 00:09:35,997 --> 00:09:37,717 Your wife told Huntsman 159 00:09:37,757 --> 00:09:40,794 you also took your brothers and their families to Spain. 160 00:09:41,449 --> 00:09:43,647 - I certainly did. - You didn't take Adrian. 161 00:09:43,672 --> 00:09:45,312 Why was that, John? 162 00:09:49,477 --> 00:09:50,997 I don't know. 163 00:09:51,637 --> 00:09:53,797 Maybe he was ill with his asthma. 164 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:55,756 You've been talking to him, have you? 165 00:09:55,757 --> 00:09:57,278 No, John. 166 00:09:57,318 --> 00:09:59,718 We have his statements from Huntsman. 167 00:10:01,838 --> 00:10:03,477 So, John... 168 00:10:03,517 --> 00:10:04,756 ...things were going well. 169 00:10:04,757 --> 00:10:07,318 You were buying and selling properties. 170 00:10:07,357 --> 00:10:09,690 But then the money worries started. 171 00:10:11,838 --> 00:10:14,116 Well, an estate agent tricked me out of a lot of money. 172 00:10:14,117 --> 00:10:15,877 My solicitor lied to me. 173 00:10:15,918 --> 00:10:17,995 When you come into a bit of money, 174 00:10:18,020 --> 00:10:19,677 well, the cockroaches come out of the woodwork. 175 00:10:19,678 --> 00:10:21,277 It can't have been easy, 176 00:10:21,278 --> 00:10:23,797 moving from Big House Farm, making the adjustment 177 00:10:23,798 --> 00:10:28,517 from owning your own place to renting at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 178 00:10:28,558 --> 00:10:30,396 A man doesn't sit around moping. 179 00:10:30,397 --> 00:10:32,437 He's got to get out there, got to get grafting. 180 00:10:32,438 --> 00:10:37,357 Between 1978 and 1983, you spent over £125,000. 181 00:10:37,397 --> 00:10:41,489 That's £35,000 more than your winnings on Spot The Ball. 182 00:10:41,918 --> 00:10:43,917 Well, you've got to speculate to accumulate. 183 00:10:43,918 --> 00:10:45,516 Is that when you started gambling? 184 00:10:45,517 --> 00:10:47,503 What, £3 or £4 a week? 185 00:10:47,528 --> 00:10:48,798 A 50p round robin? 186 00:10:48,823 --> 00:10:50,325 I'd hardly call that gambling. 187 00:10:50,350 --> 00:10:54,117 Adrian told Huntsman you bet £1,000 on one race. 188 00:10:57,228 --> 00:10:58,868 He misremembered. 189 00:11:01,903 --> 00:11:04,117 April 20th, 1983. 190 00:11:04,158 --> 00:11:05,831 Clareston Hall, Freystrop. 191 00:11:05,856 --> 00:11:09,239 Your first conviction for burglary. Is that your idea of grafting, John? 192 00:11:17,717 --> 00:11:19,397 I don't like your tone. 193 00:11:25,158 --> 00:11:27,158 Oh, don't shut down, John boy. 194 00:11:32,678 --> 00:11:33,838 John... 195 00:11:35,078 --> 00:11:38,534 if you don't want to talk to us, we'll respect that. 196 00:11:38,918 --> 00:11:41,518 You can go back to Dyffryn Prison today. 197 00:11:50,318 --> 00:11:52,278 I'm not a thief. 198 00:11:56,158 --> 00:11:57,685 Well done, Rambo. 199 00:11:58,038 --> 00:12:00,214 OK. You told Huntsman 200 00:12:00,239 --> 00:12:05,316 that you visited Scoveston Park for the first time in August 1984, 201 00:12:05,341 --> 00:12:07,516 when you went to meet Richard and Helen Thomas 202 00:12:07,517 --> 00:12:09,716 about working on their land. Is that correct, John? 203 00:12:09,717 --> 00:12:13,011 I know what Adrian told Huntsman about Scoveston Park. 204 00:12:13,036 --> 00:12:15,837 About me telling him and his mother to lie to the police 205 00:12:15,838 --> 00:12:18,756 about us all being in that night, the night of the fire. 206 00:12:18,757 --> 00:12:21,714 That the truth was, according to him, 207 00:12:21,739 --> 00:12:24,060 that I came home late smelling of a bonfire. 208 00:12:24,895 --> 00:12:27,942 Now, you say you haven't spoken to him. Fair enough. 209 00:12:28,278 --> 00:12:30,630 But there's something I want to get off my chest. 210 00:12:31,717 --> 00:12:33,317 Everything that comes out 211 00:12:33,318 --> 00:12:35,597 of that boy's mouth is lies. 212 00:12:35,637 --> 00:12:39,122 Has been ever since we didn't take him to Spain. 213 00:12:40,597 --> 00:12:43,158 When me and Pat got back... 214 00:12:43,596 --> 00:12:45,316 he was a different boy. 215 00:12:46,038 --> 00:12:48,013 He was surly. 216 00:12:48,757 --> 00:12:50,157 He was disobedient. 217 00:12:50,158 --> 00:12:51,596 Bunking off school. 218 00:12:51,597 --> 00:12:53,197 Smoking wacky baccy. 219 00:12:54,318 --> 00:12:58,231 Forging cheques. Stealing money... off us. 220 00:12:58,757 --> 00:13:00,935 And all because we didn't take him on holiday. 221 00:13:02,739 --> 00:13:04,294 As a father... 222 00:13:04,678 --> 00:13:06,944 I take no pleasure in saying this. 223 00:13:06,958 --> 00:13:10,606 But the truth is, the real truth, the night of the fire... 224 00:13:10,833 --> 00:13:12,231 the murders... 225 00:13:12,838 --> 00:13:15,517 Adrian was the one who came home late. 226 00:13:17,958 --> 00:13:20,130 He's pointing the finger at his own son? 227 00:13:20,155 --> 00:13:21,685 Piece of filth. 228 00:13:32,347 --> 00:13:34,866 You know, I've been across the table from wife-beaters, 229 00:13:34,867 --> 00:13:36,668 rapists, paedophiles. 230 00:13:36,707 --> 00:13:39,787 - And I let him get to me. - And you made something happen. 231 00:13:39,788 --> 00:13:42,410 When he feels under threat, he blames Adrian. 232 00:13:42,435 --> 00:13:44,020 That's something to keep an eye on. 233 00:13:44,278 --> 00:13:45,188 So... 234 00:13:45,227 --> 00:13:47,435 - tomorrow... - Huntsman. 235 00:13:47,460 --> 00:13:50,187 With particular emphasis on our prime exhibits. 236 00:13:50,188 --> 00:13:52,497 There you go, look at that. 237 00:14:17,668 --> 00:14:22,081 Now, John, I want to ask you about some exhibits 238 00:14:22,106 --> 00:14:24,628 found by Operation Huntsman. 239 00:14:24,668 --> 00:14:27,827 Some of them pertain to one particular robbery, 240 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:31,307 the so-called Sardis robbery, for which you were convicted. 241 00:14:31,308 --> 00:14:32,748 Wrongly convicted. 242 00:14:33,895 --> 00:14:37,106 For the tape, I am showing Mr Cooper a photograph 243 00:14:37,107 --> 00:14:41,148 of Huntsman exhibit BB/109, a black glove. 244 00:14:41,188 --> 00:14:43,508 Do you recognise this glove, John? 245 00:14:43,825 --> 00:14:45,348 I haven't got the foggiest. 246 00:14:46,947 --> 00:14:49,508 I had a bit of an accident last night. 247 00:14:50,508 --> 00:14:52,226 I can't see a thing without them. Sorry. 248 00:14:52,227 --> 00:14:54,286 I know you're on a tight schedule. 249 00:14:54,311 --> 00:14:57,706 We know you had a problem with your glasses during Huntsman. 250 00:14:57,707 --> 00:14:59,907 We got your prescription from Dyffryn Prison. 251 00:14:59,908 --> 00:15:01,587 Just in case. 252 00:15:03,587 --> 00:15:04,946 I don't actually wear gloves. 253 00:15:04,947 --> 00:15:07,547 Adrian's the glove-wearer in the family. 254 00:15:08,628 --> 00:15:13,833 For the tape, evidence photo of Huntsman exhibit MTJ/14. 255 00:15:13,858 --> 00:15:15,307 Black balaclava. 256 00:15:15,308 --> 00:15:17,774 Do you recognise this balaclava, John? 257 00:15:18,947 --> 00:15:23,214 Do you remember that Huntsman found head hairs inside it 258 00:15:23,239 --> 00:15:25,050 that were forensically tested 259 00:15:25,075 --> 00:15:26,872 and confirmed to be yours? 260 00:15:33,552 --> 00:15:34,770 Yes. 261 00:15:35,067 --> 00:15:36,950 And yet you said it wasn't yours. 262 00:15:39,548 --> 00:15:41,147 That... was a mistake. 263 00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:43,810 I was wrong. I think that was mine. 264 00:15:50,908 --> 00:15:54,364 Ten years in prison, a man gets into a lot of thinking. 265 00:15:54,628 --> 00:15:57,706 He remembers things that he hasn't thought about for ages. 266 00:15:57,707 --> 00:15:59,907 And one of the things I do remember, 267 00:15:59,908 --> 00:16:02,268 and it was about 20 years ago, 268 00:16:02,308 --> 00:16:03,986 was I did used to have a black balaclava 269 00:16:03,987 --> 00:16:05,708 just like that one that I used to wear 270 00:16:05,733 --> 00:16:08,027 when I went fishing with a boat that I had. 271 00:16:08,028 --> 00:16:11,520 Well, remembering that, everything slotted into place. 272 00:16:12,849 --> 00:16:15,985 There's only one explanation that makes any sense. 273 00:16:16,388 --> 00:16:18,308 I didn't lose the balaclava. 274 00:16:18,347 --> 00:16:20,668 It was stolen. 275 00:16:20,707 --> 00:16:23,066 By the same individual who did the robbery 276 00:16:23,067 --> 00:16:25,308 that I was wrongly convicted of. 277 00:16:27,947 --> 00:16:29,107 OK, John. 278 00:16:29,148 --> 00:16:30,347 On we go. 279 00:16:30,388 --> 00:16:31,986 Huntsman exhibits... 280 00:16:31,987 --> 00:16:34,467 PAS/1, a sawn-off shotgun, 281 00:16:34,508 --> 00:16:36,388 and PH/2, 282 00:16:36,428 --> 00:16:39,745 a sawn-off shotgun with customised shoulder strap. 283 00:16:39,770 --> 00:16:41,867 Do you recognise these shotguns, John? 284 00:16:41,908 --> 00:16:43,641 You're trying to trick me. 285 00:16:44,867 --> 00:16:46,388 This gun is mine. 286 00:16:46,428 --> 00:16:48,106 This one is not. 287 00:16:48,153 --> 00:16:51,707 Huntsman found this gun, wrapped in oilcloth, 288 00:16:51,747 --> 00:16:54,106 buried underneath the duck run at your home. 289 00:16:54,107 --> 00:16:55,627 Why did you bury it, John? 290 00:16:55,628 --> 00:16:58,226 I didn't want Adrian to find it. Didn't want him hurting himself. 291 00:16:58,227 --> 00:17:00,199 And this gun, PH/2, 292 00:17:00,224 --> 00:17:04,081 was found with the glove and balaclava under the hedge 293 00:17:04,106 --> 00:17:06,107 close to the scene of the Sardis robbery. 294 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:08,827 I'm aware. Huntsman must have told me about a hundred times. 295 00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:10,347 If you look closely, John, 296 00:17:10,348 --> 00:17:14,188 you will see that both guns have the same modifications. 297 00:17:14,227 --> 00:17:17,348 Sawn-off barrels and sawn-down stocks. 298 00:17:17,388 --> 00:17:19,668 Screws in both barrels and stocks 299 00:17:19,707 --> 00:17:21,387 for a shoulder strap. 300 00:17:22,148 --> 00:17:24,372 John, how do you account for the fact that 301 00:17:24,411 --> 00:17:28,200 the very same distinctive DIY modifications 302 00:17:28,225 --> 00:17:30,706 - were made to both shotguns? - Coincidence. 303 00:17:30,707 --> 00:17:33,026 Stranger things have happened, right? 304 00:17:33,417 --> 00:17:35,617 And while we're on the subject... 305 00:17:36,467 --> 00:17:40,706 I want to talk about the gun that Huntsman found under the hedge. 306 00:17:40,707 --> 00:17:41,947 For the tape. 307 00:17:41,987 --> 00:17:43,388 Here we go again. 308 00:17:43,428 --> 00:17:46,427 During the Huntsman trial, and I remember this very clearly 309 00:17:46,428 --> 00:17:48,986 because I thought it was very strange at the time, 310 00:17:48,987 --> 00:17:52,950 the prosecution barrister handed me the gun on more than one occasion. 311 00:17:54,507 --> 00:17:58,120 Well, what I'm saying is, if my DNA is on that, 312 00:17:58,145 --> 00:17:59,786 that's the reason why. 313 00:18:05,267 --> 00:18:07,746 His time in the library was well-spent. 314 00:18:07,747 --> 00:18:09,724 He's digging his own grave. 315 00:18:10,188 --> 00:18:12,185 Today was a result for us. 316 00:18:12,467 --> 00:18:13,660 The lengths he went to 317 00:18:13,685 --> 00:18:17,653 to distance himself from the Sardis exhibits means we are bang-on. 318 00:18:18,227 --> 00:18:21,364 His story about the gun being handled in the trial. 319 00:18:21,588 --> 00:18:25,148 The balaclava being stolen 20 years before, in 1988, 320 00:18:25,461 --> 00:18:27,394 the year before Coastal Path. 321 00:18:28,188 --> 00:18:30,911 He wasn't just telling us the man who stole the balaclava 322 00:18:30,936 --> 00:18:32,627 did the Sardis robbery, 323 00:18:32,628 --> 00:18:35,013 he was saying the man murdered the Dixons. 324 00:18:35,325 --> 00:18:37,785 Today, he confirmed what we'd always suspected. 325 00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:39,946 And he gave us something new into the bargain. 326 00:18:39,947 --> 00:18:42,668 When he killed Peter and Gwenda Dixon... 327 00:18:42,707 --> 00:18:44,388 he wore that balaclava. 328 00:18:44,428 --> 00:18:47,226 And PH/2 is, without a doubt, the murder weapon. 329 00:18:48,005 --> 00:18:50,269 What exhibits shall we send back for re-testing, then, boss? 330 00:18:50,294 --> 00:18:51,746 The Sardis robbery gun and the balaclava. 331 00:18:51,747 --> 00:18:53,187 Don't bother with the duck run gun. 332 00:18:53,188 --> 00:18:55,667 - Save that money for something else. - What about the glove? 333 00:18:55,668 --> 00:18:59,036 He said Adrian was the glove-wearer. That's got to mean something. 334 00:18:59,868 --> 00:19:01,388 Put it in. 335 00:19:01,428 --> 00:19:02,867 Don't all call me a twat at once... 336 00:19:02,868 --> 00:19:04,747 Twat! 337 00:19:04,787 --> 00:19:06,387 ...but what's the point in re-testing 338 00:19:06,388 --> 00:19:08,310 when we already know they'll come back negative? 339 00:19:08,335 --> 00:19:11,903 Testing for trace DNA is like battleships. It's a guessing game. 340 00:19:12,547 --> 00:19:14,933 The boffins can't see what they're looking for. 341 00:19:14,958 --> 00:19:16,546 They test small areas they think are most likely 342 00:19:16,547 --> 00:19:18,227 and hope for the best. 343 00:19:19,036 --> 00:19:21,106 But there's always bits that haven't been tested. 344 00:19:21,588 --> 00:19:22,587 So... 345 00:19:22,588 --> 00:19:25,054 tomorrow is our last day with him. 346 00:19:25,828 --> 00:19:28,547 I'm happy to risk a bit of confrontation. 347 00:19:28,588 --> 00:19:30,939 Rambo, I want Ella to lead. 348 00:19:30,964 --> 00:19:32,323 Right. 349 00:19:33,903 --> 00:19:35,769 Hey, don't leave me hanging! 350 00:19:43,747 --> 00:19:45,946 John, do you think the man in the drawing 351 00:19:45,947 --> 00:19:50,148 bears any resemblance to yourself as you were in July 1989? 352 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,786 No, not at all. 353 00:19:56,547 --> 00:19:59,306 Even the detective who came round the house said as much at the time. 354 00:19:59,307 --> 00:20:02,507 Detective Rees. The one who used to drink with you? 355 00:20:02,787 --> 00:20:04,547 Yeah. 356 00:20:04,588 --> 00:20:07,488 So, John, how did you look in July 1989? 357 00:20:07,513 --> 00:20:09,652 - Haven't you got any photographs? - No, John. 358 00:20:09,677 --> 00:20:11,075 Which is why we'd appreciate your help. 359 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:14,435 - I don't remember. It was 20 years ago. - 19, actually. 360 00:20:15,403 --> 00:20:17,067 Sorry, John, let me get this straight. 361 00:20:17,068 --> 00:20:19,331 You can't remember how you looked back then, 362 00:20:19,356 --> 00:20:23,003 but you're confident that this sketch, made at that time, 363 00:20:23,028 --> 00:20:24,581 doesn't resemble you at all. 364 00:20:24,606 --> 00:20:25,714 I'm sure. 365 00:20:25,739 --> 00:20:27,867 Because I know I didn't have hair that long. 366 00:20:27,868 --> 00:20:30,546 - You never had collar-length hair? - I don't like it on my neck. 367 00:20:30,547 --> 00:20:34,067 What about the clothes the man in the drawing's wearing, John? 368 00:20:34,068 --> 00:20:35,506 I don't go in for shorts. 369 00:20:35,974 --> 00:20:37,828 Shorts were more Adrian's thing. 370 00:20:40,139 --> 00:20:42,270 Stick with the shorts, Ella. 371 00:20:42,295 --> 00:20:45,667 The witness who saw this man using Peter Dixon's stolen cash card 372 00:20:45,668 --> 00:20:49,188 said that the shorts he was wearing were khaki coloured. 373 00:20:49,428 --> 00:20:52,328 Did you ever own a pair of khaki shorts, John? 374 00:20:52,628 --> 00:20:53,628 Yes. 375 00:20:54,908 --> 00:20:56,466 But they were more bathers 376 00:20:56,467 --> 00:20:58,307 than shorts. 377 00:20:58,348 --> 00:21:00,546 They were shorter. Those are long shorts. 378 00:21:00,547 --> 00:21:02,387 Mine were short shorts, more like bathers. 379 00:21:02,388 --> 00:21:05,267 Adrian used to wear them more than I did. 380 00:21:05,307 --> 00:21:08,669 He was always borrowing my clothes. 381 00:21:21,668 --> 00:21:23,867 These are the only shorts that Huntsman found 382 00:21:23,868 --> 00:21:26,507 at 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 383 00:21:26,547 --> 00:21:28,147 No khaki, and they're all a lot shorter 384 00:21:28,148 --> 00:21:29,587 than the ones in the wanted photo. 385 00:21:29,588 --> 00:21:30,907 What about bathers? 386 00:21:30,908 --> 00:21:33,363 - He said that more than once. - Bathers. 387 00:21:33,388 --> 00:21:35,786 Shorts. Swimming trucks. Trousers. We did the lot. 388 00:21:35,787 --> 00:21:37,147 He said Andrew wore them. 389 00:21:37,148 --> 00:21:39,267 That's his tell. 390 00:21:39,307 --> 00:21:42,588 Something about those shorts worries him. 391 00:21:42,628 --> 00:21:43,987 Why? 392 00:21:45,227 --> 00:21:47,093 And where the hell are they? 393 00:21:53,571 --> 00:21:55,171 Mrs Patricia Cooper? 394 00:21:55,947 --> 00:21:57,907 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins. 395 00:21:57,908 --> 00:21:59,730 This is DI Ella Richards. 396 00:21:59,755 --> 00:22:01,622 Can we come in for a minute, please? 397 00:22:02,207 --> 00:22:02,988 Come in. 398 00:22:13,707 --> 00:22:15,387 You won't find anything. 399 00:22:17,467 --> 00:22:19,867 Well, you lot took everything of John's nine years ago. 400 00:22:20,196 --> 00:22:21,716 Not us, Mrs Cooper. 401 00:22:22,588 --> 00:22:25,506 You used to work at Ocky White's, didn't you, Mrs Cooper? 402 00:22:25,507 --> 00:22:27,840 I was the best seamstress they had. 403 00:22:34,027 --> 00:22:37,706 These were taken the year your husband won on Spot The Ball? 404 00:22:37,707 --> 00:22:39,108 1978? 405 00:22:39,148 --> 00:22:41,216 - Yes? - Yes. 406 00:22:43,427 --> 00:22:45,987 A professional photographer came to the house. 407 00:22:46,027 --> 00:22:49,138 Do you have any later photographs of the two of you, Mrs Cooper? 408 00:22:49,787 --> 00:22:50,947 No. 409 00:22:52,068 --> 00:22:54,201 We weren't big on family photos. 410 00:22:57,307 --> 00:23:01,267 1978, that was the year you went on holiday to Spain, right? 411 00:23:02,588 --> 00:23:03,747 Yes. 412 00:23:03,787 --> 00:23:07,387 Do you mind me asking, why didn't you take Adrian with you? 413 00:23:07,388 --> 00:23:08,787 I don't remember. 414 00:23:12,348 --> 00:23:13,708 Are you finished? 415 00:23:16,547 --> 00:23:17,747 Thank you. 416 00:24:10,682 --> 00:24:12,031 What's wrong with you? 417 00:24:13,122 --> 00:24:14,803 I had the police round. 418 00:24:16,162 --> 00:24:19,803 Asking about an old khaki pair of bathers of yours. 419 00:24:19,842 --> 00:24:20,843 What's that about? 420 00:24:20,868 --> 00:24:23,082 - Did they find them? - No. 421 00:24:23,122 --> 00:24:25,962 They took all your clothes when you were arrested. You know that. 422 00:24:25,963 --> 00:24:29,476 I want you to get hold of Adrian. Find out if he's got them. 423 00:24:30,304 --> 00:24:32,161 I don't have a number for him. 424 00:24:32,162 --> 00:24:34,881 Well, Shirley's daughter, she's a receptionist in the hospital. 425 00:24:34,882 --> 00:24:37,225 She'll give it to you. You're his mother. 426 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:38,922 You're telling me... 427 00:24:38,963 --> 00:24:40,321 to get in touch with Adrian? 428 00:24:40,322 --> 00:24:41,803 Yes! 429 00:24:47,642 --> 00:24:50,681 Forensics said they took it apart, tested every nook and cranny, 430 00:24:50,682 --> 00:24:52,442 every millimetre of the shoulder strap. 431 00:24:52,443 --> 00:24:55,002 Yeah, they also said re-testing it for DNA 432 00:24:55,003 --> 00:24:57,641 would be a complete waste of Ottawa's money and their time. 433 00:24:57,642 --> 00:24:59,781 That's not their call to make. 434 00:25:00,539 --> 00:25:02,398 Where are we with the forensics budget? 435 00:25:02,423 --> 00:25:04,283 17,000 left. 436 00:25:04,322 --> 00:25:05,842 Out of 350,000. 437 00:25:05,882 --> 00:25:07,203 Jesus... 438 00:25:07,243 --> 00:25:09,121 Honestly, boss, I'm not convinced we're getting 439 00:25:09,122 --> 00:25:11,522 the best possible bang for our buck here. 440 00:25:11,523 --> 00:25:14,042 I think we should have a sit-down with Dr Gallop. 441 00:25:14,043 --> 00:25:17,539 Make sure we're not getting sidelined by some big London job. 442 00:25:18,602 --> 00:25:20,906 Is that metal I can see through the paint? 443 00:25:21,082 --> 00:25:24,081 It's where the finish has worn off. That thing was made in the 1940s. 444 00:25:24,082 --> 00:25:27,161 - And that's the manufacturer's finish? - Yeah, we assumed. 445 00:25:27,162 --> 00:25:28,961 Obviously, we've not seen the thing in the flesh. 446 00:25:28,986 --> 00:25:29,886 Assumed? 447 00:25:31,283 --> 00:25:33,122 Really, Lynne? Glyn? 448 00:25:35,563 --> 00:25:38,699 Did Huntsman recover any paint from Cooper's home? 449 00:25:39,642 --> 00:25:41,600 Yeah, six pots in the shed. 450 00:25:41,625 --> 00:25:43,475 Nige, get the Huntsman shed file. 451 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:44,602 Any of them black? 452 00:25:46,122 --> 00:25:47,203 Yeah. 453 00:25:47,243 --> 00:25:48,723 JAW/100. 454 00:25:49,803 --> 00:25:51,162 JAW/100... 455 00:26:00,283 --> 00:26:03,289 I want that taken out of storage. 456 00:26:12,682 --> 00:26:15,678 Your team have been on this case for 18 months now 457 00:26:15,703 --> 00:26:16,921 and all we've got to show for it is 458 00:26:16,922 --> 00:26:20,122 a partial for Peter Dixon's DNA on a piece of rope. 459 00:26:20,162 --> 00:26:22,922 With respect, we're seeing this a lot. 460 00:26:22,963 --> 00:26:26,476 This obsession with DNA at the expense of... 461 00:26:26,922 --> 00:26:30,382 ...well, other, less fashionable avenues of analysis. 462 00:26:30,882 --> 00:26:34,748 Ottawa's insistence that we focus solely on DNA 463 00:26:34,773 --> 00:26:36,641 has put my team in a straitjacket. 464 00:26:36,642 --> 00:26:39,586 No. No, no, no. We asked you to prioritise DNA, 465 00:26:39,602 --> 00:26:41,881 but not to the exclusion of everything else. 466 00:26:41,906 --> 00:26:44,521 But that's the impression you gave my colleague. 467 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,780 Dr Gallop... 468 00:26:46,402 --> 00:26:48,975 ...let's say we remove the straitjacket. 469 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,682 How would that change things? 470 00:26:50,723 --> 00:26:53,412 Well, it would allow us to widen our search, 471 00:26:53,437 --> 00:26:55,642 look for other types of evidence. 472 00:26:55,682 --> 00:26:59,043 Now, we're agreed that the killer wore gloves, yes? 473 00:26:59,082 --> 00:27:00,881 We look for textile fibres. 474 00:27:00,882 --> 00:27:02,361 Fibres are circumstantial. 475 00:27:02,362 --> 00:27:05,295 - We need hard proof. - Yes, but... 476 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,803 if we can find enough fibres linking culprit to victim, 477 00:27:08,842 --> 00:27:11,642 it could tell an equally compelling story 478 00:27:11,682 --> 00:27:13,850 about the circumstances of the crimes. 479 00:27:13,875 --> 00:27:17,010 Maybe even get you over the charge threshold with the CPS. 480 00:27:20,043 --> 00:27:21,122 OK. 481 00:27:21,162 --> 00:27:22,826 Let's go for it. 482 00:27:22,851 --> 00:27:24,082 All right. 483 00:27:24,122 --> 00:27:26,642 We have one other request. 484 00:27:26,682 --> 00:27:28,322 We believe... 485 00:27:28,362 --> 00:27:31,002 that this is the Coastal Path murder weapon. 486 00:27:31,003 --> 00:27:32,568 Yeah, PH/2. 487 00:27:32,593 --> 00:27:34,382 I heard you'd asked the team to have another look. 488 00:27:34,407 --> 00:27:36,296 Yes, but this is a different request. 489 00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:38,282 Among the items recovered by Huntsman 490 00:27:38,283 --> 00:27:39,522 from the shed at Cooper's home 491 00:27:39,523 --> 00:27:43,563 was this 750ml tin of Anvileen satin black metal paint. 492 00:27:46,483 --> 00:27:50,459 I think Cooper painted the barrels of the gun 493 00:27:50,484 --> 00:27:51,912 to make it less visible at night. 494 00:27:51,937 --> 00:27:52,723 Hm. 495 00:27:52,763 --> 00:27:54,553 The murders were in 1989. 496 00:27:54,578 --> 00:27:58,362 Anvileen didn't manufacture this particular paint until 1995. 497 00:27:58,402 --> 00:28:00,922 So, if PH/2 is the murder weapon, 498 00:28:00,963 --> 00:28:04,023 there could still be trace DNA under the paint. 499 00:28:04,748 --> 00:28:07,362 Well, that's more than six years. 500 00:28:07,402 --> 00:28:09,601 During which the gun would've been cleaned, 501 00:28:09,602 --> 00:28:12,492 rained on, exposed to the elements. 502 00:28:13,003 --> 00:28:16,187 Are you sure this is the best use of what's left of your budget? 503 00:28:18,602 --> 00:28:19,882 I'm sure. 504 00:28:21,007 --> 00:28:22,247 All right. 505 00:28:36,656 --> 00:28:39,289 _ 506 00:28:54,184 --> 00:28:55,464 Hello? 507 00:28:57,229 --> 00:28:58,709 Hello, Adrian. 508 00:29:32,963 --> 00:29:35,161 - Hello? - How did you get my number? 509 00:29:35,756 --> 00:29:37,597 Nice to hear from you, too! 510 00:29:40,082 --> 00:29:41,642 What do you want? 511 00:29:41,682 --> 00:29:44,046 Just to find out how you are. 512 00:29:46,095 --> 00:29:48,028 I heard you were in hospital. 513 00:29:50,043 --> 00:29:52,943 Why did you go and do a silly thing like that? 514 00:29:56,003 --> 00:29:57,483 It was nothing. 515 00:29:57,523 --> 00:29:58,963 A mistake. 516 00:30:00,563 --> 00:30:02,896 I thought I could come and see you. 517 00:30:05,003 --> 00:30:07,122 It's not a good time. 518 00:30:07,162 --> 00:30:09,100 I'm doing the place up. 519 00:30:09,125 --> 00:30:10,515 It's a bombsite. 520 00:30:11,203 --> 00:30:13,523 So, come to mine, then. 521 00:30:22,243 --> 00:30:24,881 Ah, boss. Ollie Wakefield from the CPS called you. 522 00:30:24,882 --> 00:30:26,122 Great. 523 00:30:27,203 --> 00:30:28,959 Ollie, Steve Wilkins. 524 00:30:28,984 --> 00:30:29,803 Listen... 525 00:30:29,842 --> 00:30:31,563 Ottawa needs a favour. 526 00:30:31,602 --> 00:30:33,537 The governor at Dyffryn Prison 527 00:30:33,562 --> 00:30:35,654 refuses to delay Cooper's second parole hearing. 528 00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:38,282 And I think a word from the CPS might persuade the man 529 00:30:38,283 --> 00:30:39,522 to see some sense. 530 00:30:39,523 --> 00:30:41,882 The case, it isn't there, Steve. 531 00:30:41,922 --> 00:30:44,601 You know what the prison services will say. No hard evidence. 532 00:30:44,602 --> 00:30:47,042 - I'm sorry. - Ollie, if he is released 533 00:30:47,043 --> 00:30:49,522 back into the community and he hurts someone, 534 00:30:49,523 --> 00:30:52,459 "institutionally incompetent" will be a happy memory 535 00:30:52,484 --> 00:30:54,742 when we are up to our necks in public inquiries. 536 00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:58,100 You're that convinced he'll kill again? 537 00:30:58,842 --> 00:31:00,682 He's a serial killer. 538 00:31:00,723 --> 00:31:02,483 Serial killers don't... 539 00:31:02,523 --> 00:31:04,162 They can't stop. 540 00:31:04,203 --> 00:31:06,722 Steve, inevitable mutterings have started. 541 00:31:06,723 --> 00:31:09,617 There's talk of shutting Ottawa down. 542 00:31:45,595 --> 00:31:46,875 Hi, Ma. 543 00:31:49,525 --> 00:31:51,205 What happened to you? 544 00:31:52,402 --> 00:31:54,003 An accident at work. 545 00:32:02,376 --> 00:32:06,539 _ 546 00:32:13,082 --> 00:32:15,148 I thought you might be peckish. 547 00:32:22,922 --> 00:32:24,718 Are you still visiting him? 548 00:32:25,203 --> 00:32:26,763 Every week. 549 00:32:28,642 --> 00:32:30,843 Is he gonna live here with you when he gets out? 550 00:32:31,828 --> 00:32:33,563 I'm his wife. 551 00:32:33,602 --> 00:32:35,468 Where else is he gonna live? 552 00:32:41,043 --> 00:32:43,282 He's a bit worked up at the moment. 553 00:32:43,765 --> 00:32:45,678 The police are bothering him again. 554 00:32:46,963 --> 00:32:48,122 Oh, yeah? 555 00:32:50,443 --> 00:32:51,723 Actually... 556 00:32:53,243 --> 00:32:54,763 it's a silly thing. 557 00:32:56,283 --> 00:32:59,995 You don't have an old pair of khaki bathers of his, do you? 558 00:33:04,523 --> 00:33:07,256 Still running things, even from in prison. 559 00:33:08,882 --> 00:33:12,000 It wasn't true what I said earlier about an accident at work. 560 00:33:14,003 --> 00:33:15,483 He did this to me. 561 00:33:15,523 --> 00:33:17,841 The same year you had those stupid photos done, 562 00:33:17,842 --> 00:33:19,402 he broke my back. 563 00:33:19,443 --> 00:33:20,921 He didn't break your back. 564 00:33:20,922 --> 00:33:25,490 A year ago, I was fit and strong, working in Ireland, hod-carrying. 565 00:33:25,515 --> 00:33:28,122 One morning, it was like I was struck by lightning. 566 00:33:29,095 --> 00:33:30,775 Nine hours of surgery. 567 00:33:31,602 --> 00:33:34,646 Rods and screws in my pelvis and spine. 568 00:33:34,671 --> 00:33:36,643 I thought it was the work that caused it, but the consultant 569 00:33:36,644 --> 00:33:39,285 told me it was an injury from childhood. 570 00:33:41,162 --> 00:33:44,132 Straight away, I knew it was that punch in the back. 571 00:33:44,507 --> 00:33:47,081 You knew something was seriously wrong when it happened, 572 00:33:47,082 --> 00:33:49,002 but you didn't take me to the hospital 573 00:33:49,003 --> 00:33:51,601 because he was worried someone might be suspicious. 574 00:33:51,602 --> 00:33:53,121 I never knew it was serious. 575 00:33:53,122 --> 00:33:54,804 I couldn't move! 576 00:33:56,283 --> 00:33:59,355 You left me to lie in my own urine for five days. 577 00:34:01,003 --> 00:34:03,669 You didn't even change my sopping sheets. 578 00:34:05,122 --> 00:34:08,187 You brought me plenty of toast and strawberry jam, though! 579 00:34:09,202 --> 00:34:11,442 A couple of weeks later, you left me with nan 580 00:34:11,443 --> 00:34:13,643 and all took off for sunny Spain. 581 00:34:16,883 --> 00:34:19,202 I was 12 years old. 582 00:34:20,443 --> 00:34:22,750 We thought it was better that you rested. 583 00:34:25,122 --> 00:34:26,967 What's wrong with you? 584 00:34:26,992 --> 00:34:29,563 I didn't know. 585 00:34:34,443 --> 00:34:36,003 Don't go, Adrian. 586 00:34:36,043 --> 00:34:38,042 I didn't just call you because he told me to. 587 00:34:38,043 --> 00:34:39,963 I've missed you. 588 00:34:52,403 --> 00:34:53,921 Second time lucky. 589 00:34:54,722 --> 00:34:56,162 I got it? 590 00:34:56,202 --> 00:34:57,842 Congratulations, John. 591 00:34:57,843 --> 00:35:00,043 You're gonna be out by Christmas. 592 00:35:04,642 --> 00:35:06,003 Well done. 593 00:35:29,202 --> 00:35:31,468 Yup. Well... 594 00:35:31,923 --> 00:35:33,723 thanks for letting me know. 595 00:35:39,122 --> 00:35:41,161 I can't believe they're letting him out now. 596 00:35:41,162 --> 00:35:43,323 We're so close. 597 00:35:43,363 --> 00:35:44,682 Are we, though? 598 00:35:45,762 --> 00:35:49,090 I'm gonna put that down to exhaustion and a shit day. 599 00:35:50,483 --> 00:35:52,681 Do you know what I do after a shit day? 600 00:35:52,682 --> 00:35:53,722 What? 601 00:35:53,762 --> 00:35:55,242 I go home... 602 00:35:55,282 --> 00:35:58,930 and I eat a large amount of unhealthy food with my family. 603 00:35:59,802 --> 00:36:01,682 Go home, Steve. 604 00:36:01,722 --> 00:36:03,162 Be with your boy. 605 00:36:04,761 --> 00:36:06,000 Evening! 606 00:36:06,843 --> 00:36:08,054 Jack? 607 00:36:09,082 --> 00:36:10,762 I've got fish and chips! 608 00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:25,641 Hey, it's Jack Wilkins. I'm not here at the moment. 609 00:36:25,642 --> 00:36:28,542 Just leave a message and I'll get back to you. 610 00:36:38,845 --> 00:36:40,005 Finally! 611 00:36:40,632 --> 00:36:44,298 You know, I'd appreciate it if, once in a blue moon, 612 00:36:44,323 --> 00:36:47,267 you'd answer your phone or responded to a text. 613 00:36:49,202 --> 00:36:51,601 Have you been drinking, by any chance? 614 00:36:51,602 --> 00:36:53,468 Yeah, I've been celebrating! 615 00:36:53,883 --> 00:36:55,282 Celebrating what? 616 00:36:55,323 --> 00:36:57,162 I made the county team. 617 00:36:59,476 --> 00:37:01,406 Thanks for being there for me today, Dad! 618 00:37:02,043 --> 00:37:03,403 Shit...! 619 00:37:05,003 --> 00:37:06,282 Jack! 620 00:37:06,323 --> 00:37:08,789 Jack! 621 00:37:16,523 --> 00:37:18,003 Leave me alone. 622 00:37:19,082 --> 00:37:20,762 There's no need for that. 623 00:37:22,363 --> 00:37:23,682 I'm sorry, Jack. 624 00:37:25,443 --> 00:37:29,483 You made such a big deal about us spending more time together. 625 00:37:29,523 --> 00:37:32,882 But you just can't do it. You're so fucking obsessed with your work. 626 00:37:32,883 --> 00:37:34,042 You're a shit dad. 627 00:37:34,043 --> 00:37:36,376 Hey, now, come on. That's not fair. 628 00:37:37,226 --> 00:37:39,721 Look, I'm sorry I forgot about the trial. 629 00:37:39,722 --> 00:37:41,855 I'm sorry I'm not a perfect dad. 630 00:37:44,082 --> 00:37:45,762 It's no excuse. 631 00:37:45,802 --> 00:37:47,868 I took my eye off the ball, OK? 632 00:37:52,043 --> 00:37:53,202 OK. 633 00:37:59,563 --> 00:38:00,843 Have you eaten? 634 00:38:00,883 --> 00:38:02,162 Yeah. 635 00:38:02,202 --> 00:38:03,722 Right, well... 636 00:38:03,762 --> 00:38:05,563 get some kip. 637 00:38:24,698 --> 00:38:26,496 This is last chance saloon, guys. 638 00:38:26,497 --> 00:38:28,217 Cooper will be home in a week. 639 00:38:28,218 --> 00:38:30,778 We have got to go over everything. 640 00:38:31,977 --> 00:38:34,643 I mean, not having a photograph of Cooper 641 00:38:34,657 --> 00:38:37,217 that we can compare to the artist's impression, 642 00:38:37,218 --> 00:38:39,250 it's a hole in our case. 643 00:38:39,698 --> 00:38:42,781 Nige, Glyn, doorstep his and Pat's relatives. 644 00:38:42,806 --> 00:38:45,857 Tell them that we need family photographs for our records. 645 00:38:45,858 --> 00:38:47,017 Yes, boss. 646 00:38:47,057 --> 00:38:48,418 I'll drive. 647 00:39:03,418 --> 00:39:04,778 Andrew... 648 00:39:09,296 --> 00:39:10,497 What about Pat? 649 00:39:10,537 --> 00:39:13,109 He'll be housed somewhere else, right? She can't live with him now. 650 00:39:13,134 --> 00:39:15,176 They've been married a long time, Andrew. 651 00:39:15,177 --> 00:39:17,617 If he was gonna do something to her, he'd have done it by now. 652 00:39:17,618 --> 00:39:19,218 You don't know that. 653 00:39:20,218 --> 00:39:23,086 He's been in prison ten years. Who knows what that's done to him? 654 00:39:24,605 --> 00:39:26,338 She's still scared of him. 655 00:39:27,218 --> 00:39:28,695 I went to see her. 656 00:39:29,937 --> 00:39:31,258 She called me. 657 00:39:32,298 --> 00:39:33,497 I thought... 658 00:39:34,898 --> 00:39:37,798 I thought she wanted a mother-and-son reunion. 659 00:39:38,418 --> 00:39:40,684 But she was just following orders. 660 00:39:42,177 --> 00:39:45,109 He wanted her to find out if I had an old pair of bathers of his. 661 00:39:45,738 --> 00:39:47,328 Does that mean anything to you? 662 00:39:48,338 --> 00:39:49,992 Do you have them? 663 00:39:50,537 --> 00:39:52,698 I wouldn't wear anything of his. 664 00:39:55,577 --> 00:39:57,257 Get down there, Jack! 665 00:39:57,258 --> 00:39:58,898 Come on! 666 00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:03,057 Corner. 667 00:40:04,338 --> 00:40:06,457 Right, on it! 668 00:40:08,657 --> 00:40:10,057 Yes! 669 00:40:10,097 --> 00:40:11,338 Go on, son! 670 00:40:12,497 --> 00:40:13,657 Yes! 671 00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:18,297 - So, the scout was there again today. - He was? Did he speak to you? 672 00:40:18,298 --> 00:40:20,015 He's gonna give me a ring after the weekend. 673 00:40:21,378 --> 00:40:24,257 - Thanks for being there today, Dad. - Oh, my pleasure, sunshine. 674 00:40:24,258 --> 00:40:27,136 - I'm sorry I've been a bit of a pain. - Oh, don't you worry about it. 675 00:40:27,137 --> 00:40:29,100 Hey, I'll see you later. 676 00:40:29,125 --> 00:40:31,297 - You're not coming in? - I'd better not. 677 00:40:31,298 --> 00:40:34,137 Is it something to do with work? 678 00:40:34,177 --> 00:40:37,592 - It's one of his old haunts. - You're joking? 679 00:40:37,617 --> 00:40:40,377 I shouldn't go in. Someone might recognise me. 680 00:40:40,378 --> 00:40:41,818 So? 681 00:40:41,858 --> 00:40:44,217 Well, I don't want you connected to me. 682 00:40:44,218 --> 00:40:45,898 It's just a precaution. 683 00:40:45,938 --> 00:40:47,976 It's fine. I'll go in ahead of you. 684 00:40:47,977 --> 00:40:50,086 Aren't you curious to see inside? 685 00:40:50,657 --> 00:40:52,657 Come on, you know you want to. 686 00:40:55,137 --> 00:40:58,037 It's fine. Go on, I'll pick you up in an hour. 687 00:41:32,097 --> 00:41:34,378 A pint of lager shandy, please. 688 00:41:42,977 --> 00:41:44,378 All right, lads? 689 00:42:01,698 --> 00:42:03,457 Excuse me. 690 00:42:03,497 --> 00:42:05,017 Dyfed Powys Police. 691 00:42:08,017 --> 00:42:10,698 Can you identify the man in the picture? 692 00:42:10,738 --> 00:42:14,338 With the 'tache? Aye, that's Johnny Cooper. 693 00:42:14,378 --> 00:42:15,777 When was the photograph taken? 694 00:42:15,778 --> 00:42:17,977 I don't know, the late '80s. 695 00:42:18,017 --> 00:42:20,217 Probably about the time he was on that... 696 00:42:20,218 --> 00:42:22,897 What do you call it? That darts quiz show on telly. 697 00:42:22,898 --> 00:42:25,875 - Bullseye? - Aye. That's the one. 698 00:42:31,031 --> 00:42:33,430 Bullseye, 1989. 699 00:42:34,338 --> 00:42:35,843 You are shitting me! 700 00:42:35,868 --> 00:42:37,429 The year he killed the Dixons, 701 00:42:37,454 --> 00:42:40,456 Cooper was throwing darts on national television. 702 00:42:40,457 --> 00:42:42,029 On ITV! 703 00:42:42,054 --> 00:42:45,033 We've been looking for a photo of the bastard from '89. 704 00:42:45,057 --> 00:42:47,923 And we might well have a whole bloody video. 705 00:42:48,738 --> 00:42:50,497 Jesus Christ...! 706 00:43:38,864 --> 00:43:40,384 Welcome home, love. 707 00:43:44,617 --> 00:43:45,738 What? 708 00:43:46,977 --> 00:43:48,338 Come here. 709 00:43:55,338 --> 00:43:59,016 So, Bullseye was produced by Central Television in Birmingham. 710 00:43:59,017 --> 00:44:02,217 But recordings of old shows are held in an archive in Leeds. 711 00:44:02,218 --> 00:44:03,656 Now, the librarian there 712 00:44:03,657 --> 00:44:05,697 has been going through lists of old contestants 713 00:44:05,698 --> 00:44:07,698 from old shows from the '80s. 714 00:44:07,738 --> 00:44:09,537 And in series nine, 715 00:44:09,577 --> 00:44:13,337 there's two contestants identified as being from South Pembrokeshire. 716 00:44:13,338 --> 00:44:17,831 Now, the episode they were in was broadcast in October '89. 717 00:44:17,856 --> 00:44:21,433 But it was recorded on 28th May. 718 00:44:22,637 --> 00:44:25,773 A month and a day before the Dixons were murdered. 719 00:44:37,898 --> 00:44:40,542 - So, you've got the tapes, then? - Yeah, they've just arrived. 720 00:44:45,057 --> 00:44:47,577 It's a bull's-eye! 721 00:44:47,617 --> 00:44:49,457 And here's your host... 722 00:44:49,497 --> 00:44:51,176 - Jim Bowen! - Good evening. 723 00:44:51,177 --> 00:44:52,818 Welcome to Bullseye. 724 00:44:52,858 --> 00:44:55,866 Can you just fast-forward it to the contestants? 725 00:44:58,298 --> 00:44:59,778 Good. 726 00:44:59,825 --> 00:45:01,697 You've got an unusual hobby, John. 727 00:45:01,698 --> 00:45:04,496 - Oh, yes, the scuba diving. - The scuba diving. 728 00:45:04,497 --> 00:45:06,777 It's the place to do it down there, isn't it? 729 00:45:06,778 --> 00:45:08,666 Well, we've got the coastline, yes. 730 00:45:08,691 --> 00:45:11,257 And there's the shoulder-length hair he never had. 731 00:45:11,258 --> 00:45:12,737 Well, we've got the deep water... 732 00:45:12,738 --> 00:45:14,937 And you can swim over mountains and all sorts. 733 00:45:14,938 --> 00:45:19,527 We hope you all have a good night. Give them a round of applause. 734 00:45:31,394 --> 00:45:32,914 Best of luck, John. 735 00:45:33,977 --> 00:45:35,378 That's five. 736 00:45:35,418 --> 00:45:36,577 '20. 737 00:45:38,738 --> 00:45:39,938 And one. 738 00:45:39,977 --> 00:45:41,258 26. 739 00:45:57,298 --> 00:45:59,136 '36, and takes the first round. 740 00:45:59,137 --> 00:46:03,041 Right, John, it's only £36, but you really could do with this. 741 00:46:03,874 --> 00:46:06,074 What are you having a bath for? 742 00:46:06,779 --> 00:46:08,259 I won't be long! 743 00:46:09,137 --> 00:46:11,347 - I could get in with you. - No, John. 744 00:46:12,218 --> 00:46:14,057 - I'm shy. - Shy? 745 00:46:14,097 --> 00:46:16,363 I've seen it all before, you know? 746 00:46:19,037 --> 00:46:21,356 Come on, missus, let me in. 747 00:46:31,097 --> 00:46:33,181 Can you pause it there, please? 748 00:46:33,206 --> 00:46:34,418 Rewind a bit. 749 00:46:34,457 --> 00:46:35,617 There. 750 00:46:42,057 --> 00:46:44,597 It may not prove he killed the Dixons. 751 00:46:44,622 --> 00:46:48,482 But it proves what he looked like four weeks before. 752 00:46:59,938 --> 00:47:02,057 999, which service? 753 00:47:03,858 --> 00:47:05,057 Hello? 754 00:47:06,531 --> 00:47:12,323 CREDITS