1 00:00:00,101 --> 00:00:02,179 _ 2 00:00:02,205 --> 00:00:04,210 _ 3 00:00:04,235 --> 00:00:06,312 _ 4 00:00:06,338 --> 00:00:08,406 _ 5 00:00:08,432 --> 00:00:10,485 _ 6 00:00:57,851 --> 00:01:00,992 www.subtitulamos.tv 7 00:01:51,895 --> 00:01:54,269 Prime Minister Tony Blair has led political 8 00:01:54,294 --> 00:01:56,070 tributes from a grateful nation... 9 00:01:56,095 --> 00:01:57,145 Hey, Dad. 10 00:01:57,171 --> 00:02:00,499 - Morning, sunshine. You up? - Up? I'm out and about! 11 00:02:01,574 --> 00:02:04,059 Pardon me, early riser. 12 00:02:04,101 --> 00:02:05,580 What is it, Dad? 13 00:02:05,699 --> 00:02:07,713 You said there was a match today. 14 00:02:07,739 --> 00:02:09,954 Oh, yeah. Only a crappy school thing. 15 00:02:09,980 --> 00:02:11,910 Well, I wanna come. Where is it? 16 00:02:11,935 --> 00:02:14,350 No, Dad, seriously, it's not that type of match. 17 00:02:14,375 --> 00:02:16,277 No parents are gonna be there. 18 00:02:16,340 --> 00:02:18,559 You're wrong. I'll be there. 19 00:02:23,115 --> 00:02:25,775 ... the Queen's 80th birthday celebrations. 20 00:02:25,801 --> 00:02:28,388 Her sense of duty and service, said Mr Blair... 21 00:02:31,345 --> 00:02:32,665 We set? 22 00:02:38,544 --> 00:02:40,771 - Boss. - Morning. 23 00:02:41,174 --> 00:02:44,109 - Steve. How's the report coming? - ACPO are asking. 24 00:02:44,134 --> 00:02:46,052 Yeah, should be with you by the end of play today. 25 00:02:46,078 --> 00:02:47,302 Any nasty surprises? 26 00:02:47,328 --> 00:02:50,464 I wish. It's gonna be a job for me to find something to do. 27 00:02:50,490 --> 00:02:52,423 I have a hunch you'll manage. 28 00:02:55,089 --> 00:02:56,808 What's with the TV crew, Dave? 29 00:02:57,327 --> 00:02:58,862 Old news. 30 00:03:53,676 --> 00:03:54,927 Boy... 31 00:04:00,888 --> 00:04:03,497 _ 32 00:04:21,248 --> 00:04:23,044 Hey. What's up? 33 00:04:23,209 --> 00:04:26,944 So, Jack just texted to say you're picking him up from the match. 34 00:04:26,969 --> 00:04:29,463 Yeah. Is there a problem? 35 00:04:29,489 --> 00:04:32,216 Well, back a month and you're running the show. 36 00:04:32,569 --> 00:04:33,889 Look, just... 37 00:04:33,928 --> 00:04:35,504 just make sure you're there. 38 00:04:35,529 --> 00:04:37,880 Fran, I'll be there. 39 00:04:43,048 --> 00:04:44,368 Go on, Jack. 40 00:04:55,009 --> 00:04:58,271 So, I was thinking, we could have a mid-week boys' night in. 41 00:04:58,449 --> 00:05:01,643 Take-away, DVD? 42 00:05:01,669 --> 00:05:03,424 I've cleared it with Mum. 43 00:05:03,449 --> 00:05:05,729 I said I'd stay over at Ryan's. 44 00:05:06,168 --> 00:05:08,557 Can't you stay at Ryan's another night? 45 00:05:12,168 --> 00:05:15,219 I was thinking, how about you spend one week with me, 46 00:05:15,245 --> 00:05:16,664 one week with your mum...? 47 00:05:16,690 --> 00:05:19,449 That gives Mum and Mike some space, too. 48 00:05:19,488 --> 00:05:21,103 Did Mum ask you to do this? 49 00:05:21,128 --> 00:05:22,368 No! 50 00:05:22,550 --> 00:05:24,949 But she's fine about it, if you are. 51 00:05:27,138 --> 00:05:28,818 Can I think about it? 52 00:05:30,797 --> 00:05:32,898 Absolutely. Yeah. 53 00:05:33,288 --> 00:05:36,641 Look, go and stay at Ryan's tonight and we'll chat. 54 00:05:36,946 --> 00:05:38,156 Come here. 55 00:06:00,287 --> 00:06:03,023 With so many recent successes nationwide 56 00:06:03,048 --> 00:06:07,368 where DNA has played a key role in solving cold cases, 57 00:06:07,409 --> 00:06:09,544 attention will inevitably turn to 58 00:06:09,569 --> 00:06:13,608 unsolved murders in Wales, most notably the double murders 59 00:06:13,649 --> 00:06:16,364 of Peter and Gwenda Dixon in Pembrokeshire. 60 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:17,766 Jonathan Hill reports. 61 00:06:17,792 --> 00:06:21,306 Over 17 years ago, the couple were blasted to death 62 00:06:21,332 --> 00:06:25,251 with a shotgun by an unknown killer as they walked along here 63 00:06:25,291 --> 00:06:28,159 at the Coastal Path in Little Haven in Pembrokeshire. 64 00:06:28,185 --> 00:06:30,409 Despite a huge police investigation, 65 00:06:30,435 --> 00:06:32,011 no-one was ever charged for the crime, 66 00:06:32,037 --> 00:06:35,058 and the Dixon family's long wait for justice continues. 67 00:06:35,084 --> 00:06:37,644 A lot of people have said they no longer feel comfortable 68 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:39,776 coming to this path any more. 69 00:06:40,395 --> 00:06:42,941 They say it no longer feels the same. 70 00:06:44,690 --> 00:06:46,830 We asked Dyfed Powys Police for a comment 71 00:06:46,856 --> 00:06:48,792 but were told that no-one was available. 72 00:06:49,277 --> 00:06:50,745 Old news? 73 00:06:51,232 --> 00:06:54,967 Meanwhile, the identity of John and Gwenda Dixon's vicious killer 74 00:06:54,993 --> 00:06:56,487 remains unknown. 75 00:07:03,454 --> 00:07:05,254 How you settling in, Steve? 76 00:07:05,909 --> 00:07:07,589 It's like I never left. 77 00:07:08,314 --> 00:07:10,556 I found only one area where we're exposed. 78 00:07:10,582 --> 00:07:13,248 No thorough forensic reviews of serious crimes. 79 00:07:13,273 --> 00:07:15,153 Most notably Coastal Path. 80 00:07:16,593 --> 00:07:17,953 You saw the news. 81 00:07:19,514 --> 00:07:22,361 Yeah. What's the story? 82 00:07:25,816 --> 00:07:28,658 The unlikelihood of finding anything new. 83 00:07:29,194 --> 00:07:31,749 The distress that would cause the Dixon family. 84 00:07:31,775 --> 00:07:34,368 And, if we failed, the delight the media would take 85 00:07:34,393 --> 00:07:36,248 in hauling us through the muck. 86 00:07:36,273 --> 00:07:39,288 A few years back, they branded us "institutionally incompetent", 87 00:07:39,314 --> 00:07:40,666 and it stuck. 88 00:07:42,139 --> 00:07:45,267 Well, it's about time we did something about that. 89 00:07:46,103 --> 00:07:49,124 I'd like to take a look at Coastal Path, see if there's anything there. 90 00:07:49,150 --> 00:07:51,510 - That OK with you? - You don't need my permission. 91 00:07:52,593 --> 00:07:56,194 DCI George Jones was SIO on it. Is he still about? 92 00:07:56,233 --> 00:08:00,074 - Yeah, he is. - But, Steve, go easy on the old bloke. 93 00:08:21,274 --> 00:08:23,169 Thank you for seeing me, sir. 94 00:08:23,554 --> 00:08:24,768 A police dog found them. 95 00:08:24,793 --> 00:08:27,152 Six days after they were reported missing. 96 00:08:28,782 --> 00:08:31,249 The maggots gave us the time of death. 97 00:08:32,385 --> 00:08:36,049 After he murdered them, the attacker stole Peter Dixon's wallet 98 00:08:36,075 --> 00:08:37,996 and wedding ring. 99 00:08:38,434 --> 00:08:40,808 It's not much of a reason to end two lives, is it? 100 00:08:40,833 --> 00:08:43,088 Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 101 00:08:43,113 --> 00:08:45,929 with her husband lying dead not six feet away. 102 00:08:46,094 --> 00:08:48,474 He was a sick, sadistic bastard. 103 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:50,299 He didn't need a reason. 104 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:54,874 We did the best we could. 105 00:09:00,098 --> 00:09:02,447 I won't be made a scapegoat. 106 00:09:03,131 --> 00:09:05,064 That's not why I'm here, sir. 107 00:09:08,781 --> 00:09:12,177 So, four days after the murders, a man walked into 108 00:09:12,203 --> 00:09:16,394 Pembroke Bespoke Jewellers and sold a 22-carat gold band. 109 00:09:16,434 --> 00:09:20,249 The band matched the description of Peter Dixon's stolen wedding ring. 110 00:09:20,274 --> 00:09:23,672 And the seller of the ring had signed the receipt J Cooper. 111 00:09:23,883 --> 00:09:26,288 Now, on the basis of this information, 112 00:09:26,314 --> 00:09:28,753 one of your team, a DC Dylan Rees? 113 00:09:29,789 --> 00:09:34,938 He questioned a John William Cooper of 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Birchmede. 114 00:09:36,124 --> 00:09:39,520 Cooper said that the ring was his own and that he sold it because he needed the cash, 115 00:09:39,546 --> 00:09:41,617 and then his wife confirmed the story. 116 00:09:41,643 --> 00:09:44,109 And then no further action was taken. 117 00:09:45,844 --> 00:09:48,753 I'm curious to hear your view on this. 118 00:09:48,794 --> 00:09:51,211 I sent a DC to do a DCI's job. 119 00:09:51,513 --> 00:09:53,862 I should've questioned Cooper myself, but... 120 00:09:54,323 --> 00:09:56,305 we were swamped. 121 00:09:56,855 --> 00:09:59,808 After the case was closed, I learnt that Rees 122 00:09:59,833 --> 00:10:02,675 drank in the same pub as Cooper, together. 123 00:10:03,288 --> 00:10:05,503 My view is that Cooper... 124 00:10:06,132 --> 00:10:08,769 used the fact they knew each other. 125 00:10:08,795 --> 00:10:10,354 That Rees... 126 00:10:10,611 --> 00:10:12,222 was manipulated. 127 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:16,612 - Where's Cooper now? - Dyffryn Prison. 128 00:10:16,694 --> 00:10:20,406 He was sentenced to 16 years in 1998 for a string of... 129 00:10:21,194 --> 00:10:23,346 burglaries and robberies. 130 00:10:23,372 --> 00:10:26,034 The investigation was codenamed Huntsman. 131 00:10:26,380 --> 00:10:29,169 They interviewed Cooper, but didn't get anything. 132 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,958 16 years in 1998... 133 00:10:33,473 --> 00:10:36,481 If he's behaved himself, he'll be up for parole. 134 00:10:41,353 --> 00:10:44,688 Where it happened is just below Talbenny church. 135 00:10:45,415 --> 00:10:47,988 The spot is marked by a plaque. 136 00:10:48,860 --> 00:10:52,247 The Dixons' son and daughter leave a wreath every year. 137 00:11:35,050 --> 00:11:38,105 _ 138 00:11:58,481 --> 00:11:59,873 You found us, then. 139 00:12:01,593 --> 00:12:04,208 So, you're doing a bit of digging on John William Cooper? 140 00:12:04,233 --> 00:12:05,753 I am. 141 00:12:05,794 --> 00:12:08,661 Let's hope you have better luck than we did. 142 00:12:14,194 --> 00:12:16,196 Operation Huntsman. 143 00:12:16,703 --> 00:12:18,142 This was us. 144 00:12:18,290 --> 00:12:21,329 There's a few odds and sods stored elsewhere, 145 00:12:21,368 --> 00:12:24,353 but most of this was confiscated from Cooper's home. 146 00:12:24,511 --> 00:12:26,191 The place was a pigsty. 147 00:12:27,821 --> 00:12:31,056 You arrested him for a string of burglaries and robberies, 148 00:12:31,082 --> 00:12:34,289 but you also questioned him about the murders at Coastal Path. 149 00:12:34,314 --> 00:12:36,061 - Why? - His MO, sir. 150 00:12:36,087 --> 00:12:39,649 We did him for a robbery that was a carbon copy of the Coastal Path. 151 00:12:39,674 --> 00:12:42,178 Robbery, tied-up victim, a shotgun. 152 00:12:42,405 --> 00:12:45,030 That's why we also questioned him about Scoveston Park. 153 00:12:46,713 --> 00:12:48,529 20 years ago, Scoveston Park? 154 00:12:48,554 --> 00:12:51,420 21 years ago now. December, '85. 155 00:12:52,365 --> 00:12:55,125 Theft, arson and double murder. 156 00:12:57,113 --> 00:13:00,185 - Brother and sister. - Richard and Helen Thomas. 157 00:13:01,074 --> 00:13:03,756 The difference was that the killer resorted to arson 158 00:13:03,782 --> 00:13:06,406 to cover his tracks. He started a fire. 159 00:13:07,194 --> 00:13:09,674 He completely destroyed the place. 160 00:13:09,713 --> 00:13:11,436 Tough on evidence gathering. 161 00:13:11,462 --> 00:13:14,186 Yeah. And even tougher on forensics. 162 00:13:15,499 --> 00:13:17,568 Did Cooper tell you anything in the interviews? 163 00:13:17,593 --> 00:13:20,410 Nothing. When we mentioned the murders, he just shut down. 164 00:13:20,436 --> 00:13:21,889 We had to move on. 165 00:13:22,154 --> 00:13:23,366 With all the lesser offences, 166 00:13:23,392 --> 00:13:26,833 we found almost every single stolen item in his home. 167 00:13:27,047 --> 00:13:29,366 You charge them with what you can prove. 168 00:13:30,553 --> 00:13:32,762 - Did you speak to the family? - We did. 169 00:13:32,788 --> 00:13:34,369 Yeah, the wife gave us nothing. 170 00:13:34,394 --> 00:13:36,327 She was more frightened of him than us. 171 00:13:36,522 --> 00:13:38,881 The son was useful. 172 00:13:38,913 --> 00:13:40,819 Yeah, he hated his dad, though. 173 00:13:40,845 --> 00:13:42,569 He wanted nothing to do with him. 174 00:13:43,993 --> 00:13:46,968 The reason your Disability Allowance payment has been delayed 175 00:13:46,993 --> 00:13:48,506 is because you changed your first name. 176 00:13:48,532 --> 00:13:51,249 Yeah, eight years ago, by statutory declaration. 177 00:13:51,274 --> 00:13:53,649 I gave you people a copy of the certificate! 178 00:13:53,674 --> 00:13:54,905 Look... 179 00:13:55,113 --> 00:13:58,369 I've had enough of this. Can you get a manager on the line, please? 180 00:13:58,394 --> 00:14:00,702 I'm not authorised to do that, sir. 181 00:14:00,912 --> 00:14:03,447 - What's your first name, Mr Cooper? - Andrew. 182 00:14:03,473 --> 00:14:05,394 Not Adrian, Andrew. 183 00:14:05,434 --> 00:14:07,622 Andrew Cooper. And... 184 00:14:08,341 --> 00:14:10,237 don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. 185 00:14:10,263 --> 00:14:12,778 - Hold the line, please, sir. - No, please don't... 186 00:14:13,284 --> 00:14:16,747 Please continue to hold. Your call is important to us. 187 00:14:31,955 --> 00:14:33,955 - Hi, Dad. - Hello! 188 00:14:35,424 --> 00:14:36,463 Laundry. 189 00:14:36,504 --> 00:14:40,318 The machine at the salon's on the blink and you're closer than Mum's. 190 00:14:40,608 --> 00:14:41,929 Well... 191 00:14:42,299 --> 00:14:44,807 good to know I'm useful for something. 192 00:14:44,901 --> 00:14:46,627 _ 193 00:15:09,815 --> 00:15:11,175 Payment. 194 00:15:13,297 --> 00:15:14,995 "Maximum hold." 195 00:15:15,473 --> 00:15:17,063 Thank you, love. 196 00:15:17,103 --> 00:15:19,223 The place is looking nice now. 197 00:15:19,264 --> 00:15:20,285 Very tidy. 198 00:15:20,311 --> 00:15:23,488 It'll do, until I find something a bit more permanent. 199 00:15:24,293 --> 00:15:27,790 Do you want to stay, have a bite to eat? 200 00:15:27,816 --> 00:15:29,551 Sorry. Late for the cinema. 201 00:15:29,577 --> 00:15:31,257 OK, love, enjoy yourself. 202 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,599 Jack's really chuffed that you're back. 203 00:15:38,910 --> 00:15:39,983 Is he? 204 00:15:40,024 --> 00:15:41,784 Don't try too hard. 205 00:15:42,635 --> 00:15:44,515 Just give him a bit of time. 206 00:15:45,605 --> 00:15:47,473 Right, OK. 207 00:15:47,504 --> 00:15:49,465 I'll pick up the stuff tomorrow. 208 00:15:50,094 --> 00:15:51,134 Hey... 209 00:15:52,223 --> 00:15:53,999 When did you become so mature? 210 00:15:54,488 --> 00:15:55,846 Ages ago. 211 00:15:56,370 --> 00:15:57,785 I'm a girl. 212 00:16:25,304 --> 00:16:27,823 John William Cooper. Do you know him? 213 00:16:27,863 --> 00:16:30,986 Yeah, I've heard of him. And Operation Huntsman, obviously. 214 00:16:31,025 --> 00:16:33,526 What would you say if I told you his offending kit for the robberies 215 00:16:33,552 --> 00:16:36,772 was black gloves, balaclava and shotgun? 216 00:16:36,798 --> 00:16:38,717 I'd say Nolton Hill Estate. 217 00:16:41,703 --> 00:16:43,158 The shotgun he used, 218 00:16:43,183 --> 00:16:46,487 recovered from a robbery gone wrong in the village of Sardis. 219 00:16:46,664 --> 00:16:49,143 It was the customised shoulder strap which got my attention. 220 00:16:49,169 --> 00:16:51,479 Sawn-off, modified stock. 221 00:16:52,104 --> 00:16:53,704 Jesus, Steve, is it him? 222 00:16:53,730 --> 00:16:55,041 Him who? 223 00:16:55,823 --> 00:16:56,943 What's going on? 224 00:16:57,272 --> 00:16:59,272 Do you remember Nolton Hill? 225 00:17:00,183 --> 00:17:02,558 Ten years ago. A few months before I left. 226 00:17:02,583 --> 00:17:05,279 A masked man with a shotgun attacked five teenagers 227 00:17:05,304 --> 00:17:06,828 near the Nolton Hill Estate. 228 00:17:06,854 --> 00:17:09,358 One of the girls was raped. Another sexually assaulted. 229 00:17:09,383 --> 00:17:11,625 - It was never solved. - I remember. 230 00:17:11,651 --> 00:17:13,930 DI Richards and myself were called in to assist. 231 00:17:13,956 --> 00:17:15,448 The two boys knew about guns. 232 00:17:15,474 --> 00:17:17,090 Yeah, they used to do a bit of rabbiting. 233 00:17:17,116 --> 00:17:19,893 Their description of the shotgun that the attacker used 234 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:21,893 exactly matched that gun. 235 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:24,050 Hang on. Back up a bit, Steve. 236 00:17:24,304 --> 00:17:26,788 The last I heard, you were looking at Coastal Path. 237 00:17:26,814 --> 00:17:28,133 I was. 238 00:17:28,159 --> 00:17:29,276 I am. 239 00:17:29,967 --> 00:17:31,925 And that led me to this. 240 00:17:33,984 --> 00:17:35,956 I'll ask you again, John, 241 00:17:36,143 --> 00:17:38,838 regarding the murders of Peter and Gwenda Dixon 242 00:17:38,863 --> 00:17:42,331 on the morning of Thursday 29th June, 1989, 243 00:17:42,357 --> 00:17:44,490 were you the person responsible? 244 00:17:45,143 --> 00:17:47,663 I am not a murderer. 245 00:17:47,704 --> 00:17:49,878 - Strong accent. - South Pembrokeshire. 246 00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:51,143 Watch this... 247 00:17:51,184 --> 00:17:53,704 John, what about Scoveston Park? 248 00:17:53,744 --> 00:17:56,722 We have witnesses who say that you knew Richard and Helen Thomas. 249 00:17:56,748 --> 00:17:59,239 My client is exercising his right to silence. 250 00:17:59,264 --> 00:18:01,997 John... Come on, John, don't be like that. 251 00:18:03,464 --> 00:18:04,504 John. 252 00:18:04,817 --> 00:18:05,936 John! 253 00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:09,102 Steve, ever since Huntsman, 254 00:18:09,128 --> 00:18:11,946 gossip has put Cooper in the frame for 101 offences. 255 00:18:11,972 --> 00:18:13,664 I'm talking about just three. 256 00:18:13,690 --> 00:18:17,103 Coastal Path, Scoveston Park, Nolton Hill. 257 00:18:19,504 --> 00:18:21,159 I think he did them all. 258 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,746 Not now, Jack. 259 00:19:02,426 --> 00:19:03,784 Here they come. 260 00:19:06,544 --> 00:19:09,012 How did Operation Huntsman miss all this? 261 00:19:09,098 --> 00:19:10,272 They didn't, ma'am. 262 00:19:10,383 --> 00:19:12,356 They questioned Cooper on all three cases 263 00:19:12,382 --> 00:19:14,182 and he just stayed mute. 264 00:19:14,325 --> 00:19:18,153 Plus, as I touched on earlier, there was no hard evidence. 265 00:19:18,889 --> 00:19:20,743 Where's your hard evidence, Steve? 266 00:19:21,255 --> 00:19:23,216 It's waiting for us to find, ma'am. 267 00:19:23,623 --> 00:19:26,199 Thanks to Huntsman and the original investigations, 268 00:19:26,224 --> 00:19:29,619 we have access to over 3,000 exhibits in storage. 269 00:19:29,645 --> 00:19:33,239 That's a potential treasure trove of victim and perpetrator DNA. 270 00:19:33,264 --> 00:19:35,583 At the time of Huntsman, the science wasn't up to scratch 271 00:19:35,609 --> 00:19:37,051 on age-degraded trace DNA. 272 00:19:37,077 --> 00:19:39,997 But as we know, things have come a long way since. 273 00:19:41,024 --> 00:19:42,759 Say you get enough to charge him. 274 00:19:42,784 --> 00:19:46,317 Charging a man with the murders of four adults is clear, simple. 275 00:19:46,343 --> 00:19:50,190 But you add five minors, rape, sexual assault, 276 00:19:50,216 --> 00:19:52,213 the Crown's case could seem muddled. 277 00:19:52,239 --> 00:19:53,781 The CPS won't like that. 278 00:19:54,101 --> 00:19:57,414 Perhaps it would be wiser to confine the review to the two murders. 279 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,133 With respect, ma'am, I interviewed the five victims as a WDC. 280 00:20:02,273 --> 00:20:04,744 And it made quite an impression on me. 281 00:20:04,784 --> 00:20:07,125 So much so, I've kept tabs on them over the years. 282 00:20:07,151 --> 00:20:09,558 Now, some are doing better than others, but... 283 00:20:09,583 --> 00:20:12,264 all of them have been scarred for life. 284 00:20:12,304 --> 00:20:14,763 They had their childhood stolen from them that night. 285 00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:17,078 They deserve another chance at justice. 286 00:20:17,704 --> 00:20:19,959 As do all the victims and their families. 287 00:20:19,984 --> 00:20:21,999 All I'm saying is, if you try to prove too much, 288 00:20:22,024 --> 00:20:23,922 you could lose everything. 289 00:20:24,224 --> 00:20:28,865 The killings at Scoveston Park and Coastal Path are like two bricks. 290 00:20:28,891 --> 00:20:31,953 And the attacks on the kids is the mortar that holds them together. 291 00:20:31,979 --> 00:20:34,758 It has elements of both cases. 292 00:20:34,836 --> 00:20:36,445 And, ma'am... 293 00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:38,169 what are the odds that offences, 294 00:20:38,195 --> 00:20:41,103 which share so much similar fact evidence, 295 00:20:41,143 --> 00:20:44,791 in such a small area, were committed by more than one man? 296 00:20:47,898 --> 00:20:51,159 You know, if we reinvestigate and it doesn't go our way, 297 00:20:51,184 --> 00:20:55,258 the media, the public, the families, they'll crucify us. 298 00:20:55,284 --> 00:20:58,203 And if we don't go ahead, it could be far worse. 299 00:20:58,863 --> 00:21:00,357 We've put a call into MAPPA. 300 00:21:00,383 --> 00:21:02,519 A date's been set for his parole hearing. 301 00:21:02,544 --> 00:21:04,117 He could be out in three months. 302 00:21:04,264 --> 00:21:06,273 If he did do these murders, 303 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,070 he is, by definition, a serial killer. 304 00:21:09,586 --> 00:21:12,430 And given the opportunity, men like him... 305 00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:15,117 they always kill again. 306 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:29,733 Next. 307 00:21:54,585 --> 00:21:57,508 The next time you visit, make an effort, will you? 308 00:21:59,704 --> 00:22:01,703 You look like an old woman. 309 00:22:02,009 --> 00:22:03,609 Adrian's back. 310 00:22:04,414 --> 00:22:07,038 - What? - I saw Shirley from Birchmede. 311 00:22:07,063 --> 00:22:09,687 Her daughter's a receptionist in the hospital. 312 00:22:09,944 --> 00:22:12,226 Apparently, he was walking with a stick. 313 00:22:12,252 --> 00:22:13,572 A stick? 314 00:22:13,598 --> 00:22:16,133 - Well, that's gotta be a scam. - Well, that's what she said. 315 00:22:16,272 --> 00:22:19,367 Anyway, Adrian wasn't like that. He was a worker. 316 00:22:19,393 --> 00:22:21,519 What, you're defending him now, are you, hm? 317 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,789 He's dead to us. 318 00:22:38,187 --> 00:22:40,788 Sorry, Andrew. Did I hurt you? 319 00:22:41,664 --> 00:22:43,368 It wasn't you. 320 00:22:43,521 --> 00:22:46,165 It's all right, just relax, I've got you. 321 00:23:17,344 --> 00:23:19,994 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 322 00:23:20,184 --> 00:23:22,851 Cooper's last home before he went inside. 323 00:23:23,863 --> 00:23:26,217 Walk in any direction from this point 324 00:23:26,243 --> 00:23:29,595 and you'll hit a home he targeted between '83 and '96. 325 00:23:29,621 --> 00:23:31,118 It's the hub of the wheel. 326 00:23:31,143 --> 00:23:32,823 In this tiny area, 327 00:23:32,863 --> 00:23:36,521 34 burglaries and robberies, one rape of a minor, 328 00:23:36,547 --> 00:23:38,814 one indecent assault of a minor... 329 00:23:39,122 --> 00:23:40,642 and two murders. 330 00:23:43,381 --> 00:23:45,191 If walls could talk. 331 00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:53,551 Been back since? 332 00:23:53,577 --> 00:23:56,097 A few times to see how the kids were doing. 333 00:24:01,583 --> 00:24:05,095 So, I was thinking a start-up team of six, including us, 334 00:24:05,121 --> 00:24:06,790 cherry-picked from division. 335 00:24:06,816 --> 00:24:08,926 That way, we can keep things covert 336 00:24:08,952 --> 00:24:10,933 and it should be easier on our budget. 337 00:24:11,371 --> 00:24:12,938 Sounds like a plan. 338 00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:16,173 I really appreciate you bringing me in on this, Steve. 339 00:24:16,199 --> 00:24:18,191 Your reputation brought you in. 340 00:24:18,434 --> 00:24:20,875 WDC to DI in ten years. 341 00:24:21,063 --> 00:24:23,301 Says Mr DS to Superintendent. 342 00:24:23,443 --> 00:24:24,884 London. 343 00:24:24,910 --> 00:24:26,710 The worst years of my life. 344 00:24:29,583 --> 00:24:32,847 Yeah, I was sorry to hear about you and your missus. 345 00:24:33,103 --> 00:24:34,784 It is what it is. 346 00:24:51,271 --> 00:24:54,238 They were so close to home when he attacked them. 347 00:24:55,449 --> 00:24:57,551 It looks so bloody ordinary. 348 00:25:01,858 --> 00:25:03,977 To Operation Ottawa. 349 00:25:07,004 --> 00:25:08,980 To Operation Ottawa. 350 00:26:11,271 --> 00:26:12,471 It's all right. 351 00:26:13,828 --> 00:26:15,398 This is home. 352 00:26:15,562 --> 00:26:17,516 The first rule of Operation Ottawa 353 00:26:17,542 --> 00:26:20,237 is you do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 354 00:26:20,429 --> 00:26:22,719 The second rule of Operation Ottawa is...? 355 00:26:22,745 --> 00:26:25,278 You do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 356 00:26:25,429 --> 00:26:27,906 It's from Fight Club. It's a film. 357 00:26:28,383 --> 00:26:30,273 Thank you, Barry Norman. 358 00:26:30,629 --> 00:26:35,060 We don't say a word to friends, colleagues or family. 359 00:26:35,086 --> 00:26:37,383 Yeah, they'll get narky with us, but it's the way it has to be. 360 00:26:37,409 --> 00:26:40,423 We don't want Cooper, or the media, seeing us coming. 361 00:26:40,587 --> 00:26:41,812 Boss... 362 00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:44,788 Cold cases are 99% forensics. 363 00:26:44,828 --> 00:26:47,161 So, we need to do everything we can 364 00:26:47,189 --> 00:26:51,389 to help the scientists find that DNA golden nugget, 365 00:26:51,429 --> 00:26:56,149 the DNA hit that unites culprit and victim in the same time and place. 366 00:26:56,189 --> 00:26:57,568 Now, our forensics 367 00:26:57,594 --> 00:27:00,352 mustn't be tainted by any of the work that's gone before. 368 00:27:00,539 --> 00:27:03,963 Previous investigations had all their testing done in-house 369 00:27:03,988 --> 00:27:05,781 by the Forensic Science Service. 370 00:27:05,807 --> 00:27:08,068 But the science has moved on. 371 00:27:08,109 --> 00:27:10,323 We need a fresh pair of eyes on this. 372 00:27:10,465 --> 00:27:11,789 Angela Gallop. 373 00:27:13,047 --> 00:27:15,773 She has been involved in some of the highest profile cases 374 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:17,060 of the last ten years. 375 00:27:17,086 --> 00:27:20,648 Lynette White, Stephen Lawrence, Damilola Taylor. 376 00:27:20,674 --> 00:27:23,124 Dr Gallop and her team are the best in the business. 377 00:27:23,150 --> 00:27:25,703 But they can only find what they're looking for if they look in the right place. 378 00:27:25,729 --> 00:27:27,180 And that's where we come in. 379 00:27:27,206 --> 00:27:29,273 We need to identify which items of evidence 380 00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:33,406 are most likely to carry Cooper and/or victim DNA in whatever form. 381 00:27:33,539 --> 00:27:36,328 Skin, hair, saliva, semen, blood. 382 00:27:36,354 --> 00:27:38,255 Now, in an ideal world, there'd be no limit 383 00:27:38,281 --> 00:27:41,461 to the amount of exhibits we could send for analysis. But... 384 00:27:41,988 --> 00:27:43,943 forensic work is not cheap. 385 00:27:43,969 --> 00:27:46,117 And our budget is finite. 386 00:27:46,308 --> 00:27:47,497 In short, 387 00:27:47,523 --> 00:27:51,281 whatever we send needs to be chosen very fucking carefully. 388 00:27:56,445 --> 00:27:57,867 Our first case tonight 389 00:27:57,893 --> 00:28:00,684 is an extraordinary double murder in South Wales. 390 00:28:00,709 --> 00:28:03,615 On the evening of 22nd December, 1985, 391 00:28:03,641 --> 00:28:05,803 Richard Thomas and his sister, Helen Thomas, 392 00:28:05,828 --> 00:28:09,289 were attacked in their home at Scoveston Park, three miles outside Milford. 393 00:28:09,315 --> 00:28:11,591 She was shot, probably in her bedroom. 394 00:28:11,616 --> 00:28:13,732 And it was in that room at about ten o'clock 395 00:28:13,758 --> 00:28:15,124 that the fire was started. 396 00:28:15,149 --> 00:28:18,935 Richard Thomas died of shotgun wounds to the stomach and the head. 397 00:28:18,961 --> 00:28:23,094 Emergency services were called at 1:15 am on 23rd of December. 398 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,203 Scene of Crime Officers entered the property the following morning 399 00:28:26,229 --> 00:28:27,943 and found Helen Thomas' body on a bed. 400 00:28:27,969 --> 00:28:29,810 It's believed she was sexually assaulted. 401 00:28:29,836 --> 00:28:32,818 On the morning of June 29th, 1989, 402 00:28:32,844 --> 00:28:36,865 Peter and Gwenda Dixon were murdered on the Pembrokeshire Coastal Path 403 00:28:36,891 --> 00:28:38,349 near Little Haven. 404 00:28:38,375 --> 00:28:41,216 The couple from Oxford decided to take a short walk 405 00:28:41,242 --> 00:28:43,794 while they waited for their tent to dry. 406 00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:47,193 Their bodies were found six days later on the cliffs at Little Haven. 407 00:28:47,219 --> 00:28:49,805 Now, one of Wales most spectacular beauty spots... 408 00:28:49,831 --> 00:28:52,896 Between 7:45pm and 8:45pm 409 00:28:52,922 --> 00:28:56,013 on Wednesday 6th March, 1996, 410 00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,312 five children, aged between 15 and 16, were attacked in a field 411 00:29:00,338 --> 00:29:02,130 next to the Norton Hill Estate. 412 00:29:02,156 --> 00:29:05,357 On the evening of November 22nd, 1996, 413 00:29:05,383 --> 00:29:09,177 a bungalow in Sardis, six miles from Milford, was burgled. 414 00:29:09,203 --> 00:29:12,141 The victim was confronted by a man in a balaclava. 415 00:29:12,167 --> 00:29:14,123 They were approached by a masked man. 416 00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:16,583 The children were threatened, told to lie on the ground. 417 00:29:16,609 --> 00:29:19,404 One of the girls was raped, another indecently assaulted. 418 00:29:19,429 --> 00:29:22,963 The victim managed to press a panic alarm, causing the offender to flee, 419 00:29:22,988 --> 00:29:25,013 depositing personal items as he ran. 420 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:29,411 These included stolen jewellery, items of clothing, a balaclava, 421 00:29:29,437 --> 00:29:33,138 some black gloves and his double-barrel shotgun. 422 00:29:33,164 --> 00:29:35,326 One of the boys was struck in the head 423 00:29:35,352 --> 00:29:37,444 with a sawn-off double-barrel shotgun. 424 00:29:37,469 --> 00:29:41,974 Then husband and wife were shot at point-blank range. 425 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,243 Forensic evidence suggests Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 426 00:29:45,268 --> 00:29:47,302 at this location here. 427 00:29:47,336 --> 00:29:49,684 Most of the evidence was destroyed in the fire. 428 00:29:49,709 --> 00:29:52,684 They did manage to retrieve a sock belonging to Mr Thomas 429 00:29:52,709 --> 00:29:54,684 and a few other items, but that's it. 430 00:29:54,709 --> 00:29:57,523 - No DNA would have survived a fire like that. - No. 431 00:29:57,549 --> 00:30:00,479 Just save our money for items more likely to yield a hit. 432 00:30:00,505 --> 00:30:02,331 Coastal Path, Nolton Hill. 433 00:30:02,357 --> 00:30:05,978 Agreed. But we still need to recover any Scoveston Park exhibits 434 00:30:06,004 --> 00:30:08,630 that would support our take on his MO. 435 00:30:09,068 --> 00:30:10,154 Exactly. 436 00:30:10,180 --> 00:30:11,563 Tied-up victims. 437 00:30:11,588 --> 00:30:14,043 The rope used to bind Helen Thomas' hands. 438 00:30:14,068 --> 00:30:16,370 Helen Thomas' bra was torn. 439 00:30:16,396 --> 00:30:18,263 That's sexual assault. 440 00:30:25,459 --> 00:30:27,201 _ 441 00:30:36,748 --> 00:30:38,052 MTJ/29. 442 00:30:38,346 --> 00:30:40,076 - Clothing. - Yeah. 443 00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:42,373 CJE/2. 444 00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:43,763 Nolton Hill rainbow T-shirt. 445 00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:46,534 Yeah. Give me ten patch tests on that 446 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,810 corresponding with the victim's bruising. 447 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,308 - CJE/16. - Coastal Path rope. 448 00:30:51,348 --> 00:30:53,021 Despite a massive search 449 00:30:53,047 --> 00:30:55,232 for a suspect seen using the Dixons' cash card... 450 00:30:55,258 --> 00:30:57,844 Peter Dixon's bank card was used to withdraw cash 451 00:30:57,869 --> 00:31:00,015 from NatWest cashpoint machines 452 00:31:00,041 --> 00:31:03,162 at Pembroke, Haverfordwest and Carmarthen. 453 00:31:03,188 --> 00:31:05,772 A man wearing shorts was seen by a member of the public 454 00:31:05,798 --> 00:31:07,785 making one of these withdrawals. 455 00:31:07,811 --> 00:31:11,546 From this siting, police made this artist's impression. 456 00:31:17,351 --> 00:31:21,629 Exhibit reference number MTJ/14, black balaclava. 457 00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:25,109 Exhibit reference PH/2, double-barrel shotgun. 458 00:31:25,135 --> 00:31:27,135 - The Sardis gun, yeah? - Yeah. 459 00:31:28,226 --> 00:31:31,364 12 patches tested. Six on the barrel, six on the stock. 460 00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:36,294 In total, officers recovered 66 items in a fairly straight line 461 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,909 from the bungalow in Sardis to 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 462 00:31:42,469 --> 00:31:44,949 The home of John William Cooper. 463 00:32:01,804 --> 00:32:02,855 Dad? 464 00:32:03,298 --> 00:32:04,605 Hiya, Jack. 465 00:32:06,068 --> 00:32:09,709 - Have I come at a bad time? - No, no, of course not. 466 00:32:10,325 --> 00:32:13,378 Well, let the male bonding commence. 467 00:32:14,068 --> 00:32:15,831 Does your mother know you're here? 468 00:32:16,199 --> 00:32:17,199 Yeah. 469 00:32:17,417 --> 00:32:19,402 You don't need to check, Dad, she knows. 470 00:32:19,886 --> 00:32:22,074 You two haven't had a fight, by any chance? 471 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:23,738 Nothing major. 472 00:32:24,308 --> 00:32:25,519 All right. 473 00:32:25,857 --> 00:32:26,857 OK. 474 00:32:28,189 --> 00:32:30,847 Well, you know where it is. Go and unpack. 475 00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:49,240 - Morning. - Yeah, Steve. 476 00:32:49,475 --> 00:32:51,747 You need to re-route to HQ. 477 00:32:52,022 --> 00:32:53,974 We've got a fly in the ointment. 478 00:33:06,313 --> 00:33:07,754 Morning. 479 00:33:07,780 --> 00:33:09,521 Jonathan Hill for Steve Wilkins. 480 00:33:09,547 --> 00:33:11,496 - Just a moment. - Thank you. 481 00:33:25,258 --> 00:33:26,698 Mr Hill. 482 00:33:27,166 --> 00:33:30,661 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins, Deputy Head of CID. 483 00:33:31,377 --> 00:33:33,617 Comms referred your query to me. 484 00:33:33,643 --> 00:33:35,527 I understand you want to make a programme 485 00:33:35,553 --> 00:33:37,620 about the Coastal Path murders. 486 00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:41,243 Actually, it's a bit more specific than that. 487 00:33:41,267 --> 00:33:42,962 I would like to make a documentary 488 00:33:42,988 --> 00:33:45,557 exploring the possibility that... 489 00:33:45,949 --> 00:33:48,080 the double murders at Coastal Path might be linked 490 00:33:48,106 --> 00:33:50,931 to the ones at Scoveston Park in 1985. 491 00:33:51,788 --> 00:33:53,916 That would be a problem for us. 492 00:33:54,788 --> 00:33:55,885 How do you mean? 493 00:33:55,911 --> 00:33:59,623 Mr Hill, what I'm about to tell you cannot leave this room. 494 00:34:01,817 --> 00:34:05,252 I'm not in the habit of agreeing to things before I know what they are. 495 00:34:06,669 --> 00:34:09,760 We are re-investigating the two offences. 496 00:34:12,268 --> 00:34:15,838 Right, and how would a documentary about the murders interfere with that? 497 00:34:15,864 --> 00:34:19,416 The killer, or killers, think they've got away with murder. 498 00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:22,499 A news piece would rattle them, make them vigilant. 499 00:34:22,525 --> 00:34:25,852 And that would be weeks of covert police work down the toilet. 500 00:34:26,494 --> 00:34:29,018 So I'll tell you what. 501 00:34:29,428 --> 00:34:31,869 If you agree to shelve your proposed documentary, 502 00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:33,918 maintain a news blackout, 503 00:34:33,948 --> 00:34:36,149 when we're ready to go public, 504 00:34:36,579 --> 00:34:39,174 I will see to it that you get the exclusive. 505 00:34:43,433 --> 00:34:44,634 OK. 506 00:34:45,723 --> 00:34:47,182 OK, it's a deal. 507 00:34:49,828 --> 00:34:51,443 I want Dyfed Powys Police 508 00:34:51,468 --> 00:34:54,604 and the media to stop fighting and start collaborating. 509 00:34:54,734 --> 00:34:56,214 But... 510 00:34:56,811 --> 00:34:58,762 if you fuck me on this, 511 00:34:58,788 --> 00:35:02,989 I will see to it that every officer from CID to peach-fuzz PC 512 00:35:03,029 --> 00:35:06,252 knows that Jonathan Hill is not a man to be trusted. 513 00:35:13,339 --> 00:35:14,643 Boss... 514 00:35:17,627 --> 00:35:19,621 What the fuck are those? 515 00:35:19,669 --> 00:35:21,588 Professional portrait photos. 516 00:35:21,846 --> 00:35:23,486 They had them done in 1978 517 00:35:23,512 --> 00:35:26,104 after he won all that money on the Spot The Ball. 518 00:35:28,989 --> 00:35:30,718 Those teeth don't look real. 519 00:35:30,744 --> 00:35:33,359 They're the only two photographs Huntsman found in the whole house. 520 00:35:33,385 --> 00:35:35,492 I've done a lot of evidence recovery in my time. 521 00:35:35,518 --> 00:35:37,156 Two photos in a family home? 522 00:35:37,182 --> 00:35:38,479 It's not right. 523 00:35:38,781 --> 00:35:42,096 - Together, but apart. - And their son nowhere to be seen. 524 00:35:59,748 --> 00:36:02,369 You've been the model prisoner, Mr Cooper. 525 00:36:02,549 --> 00:36:04,945 How confident are you that you can maintain 526 00:36:04,971 --> 00:36:08,088 this change for the better in the outside world? 527 00:36:08,268 --> 00:36:09,955 100%, your honour. 528 00:36:09,981 --> 00:36:13,315 One of the offences involved violence towards a woman. 529 00:36:13,748 --> 00:36:15,486 What can you say to reassure us 530 00:36:15,512 --> 00:36:19,002 that you no longer pose a threat to the female members of the community? 531 00:36:19,229 --> 00:36:21,213 I'm not the same man that I was. 532 00:36:21,388 --> 00:36:23,924 The love and the loyalty of my wife... 533 00:36:25,322 --> 00:36:27,111 has helped me with that. 534 00:36:28,072 --> 00:36:30,472 Your wife has been a regular visitor. 535 00:36:30,709 --> 00:36:34,447 But your son, Adrian, hasn't visited you once. 536 00:36:35,948 --> 00:36:38,424 I haven't been the best father, I'll admit that. 537 00:36:38,885 --> 00:36:41,971 Although, I do plan to make it up to him, if he'll let me. 538 00:36:42,388 --> 00:36:45,714 I'm 62, Adrian is nearly 40, so... 539 00:36:47,011 --> 00:36:50,855 Craig says that a man is never too old to want his dad. 540 00:36:53,372 --> 00:36:55,372 AGJ/28. 541 00:36:55,468 --> 00:36:58,136 "AGJ/28"... 542 00:36:59,629 --> 00:37:02,348 - That's rejected. - Negative for DNA. 543 00:37:02,388 --> 00:37:04,167 AGJ/39. 544 00:37:04,193 --> 00:37:06,284 "AGJ/39"... 545 00:37:08,509 --> 00:37:10,763 - That's rejected, too. - Negative for DNA. 546 00:37:10,788 --> 00:37:14,034 Is it just me, or is this beginning to look a bit bloody hopeless? 547 00:37:14,189 --> 00:37:15,542 DC Rowe... 548 00:37:15,995 --> 00:37:17,604 if we can't keep the faith, 549 00:37:17,629 --> 00:37:20,597 we have no right representing the victims or their families. 550 00:37:20,709 --> 00:37:21,933 Sorry, boss. 551 00:37:21,959 --> 00:37:23,856 - Momentary lapse. - All right. 552 00:37:23,882 --> 00:37:25,762 Yeah, thanks. 553 00:37:26,792 --> 00:37:28,620 - Boss... - Yeah? 554 00:37:29,284 --> 00:37:31,074 Cooper's been granted parole. 555 00:37:31,167 --> 00:37:32,855 That was Dyffryn Prison. 556 00:37:32,881 --> 00:37:35,066 They've no idea who they're dealing with. 557 00:37:35,092 --> 00:37:36,378 He's played them. 558 00:37:42,798 --> 00:37:48,359 John Cooper is the prime suspect in a major crime review. 559 00:37:48,898 --> 00:37:53,615 I am requesting his release on parole be revoked. 560 00:37:55,841 --> 00:37:58,041 Well, what's the crime? 561 00:37:58,067 --> 00:38:00,319 I can't share that information. 562 00:38:00,492 --> 00:38:03,843 Well, clearly, you don't have a case, or you'd be charging him. 563 00:38:04,795 --> 00:38:08,380 Cooper is a dangerous man. That is a matter of public record. 564 00:38:08,406 --> 00:38:10,194 People change. 565 00:38:10,351 --> 00:38:12,374 That's a matter of rehabilitation. 566 00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:16,243 I'm sure your client can be very agreeable when it suits him. 567 00:38:17,132 --> 00:38:20,147 Your timing is not convenient, Superintendent Wilkins. 568 00:38:20,173 --> 00:38:23,202 Can you at least give us a date when you expect to charge him? 569 00:38:24,023 --> 00:38:25,335 Not at present. 570 00:38:25,483 --> 00:38:29,226 But in the meantime, John's rights can just go hang? 571 00:38:29,327 --> 00:38:31,844 The safety of the public comes first. 572 00:38:32,577 --> 00:38:34,624 I think we all agree on that. 573 00:38:59,076 --> 00:39:01,331 Although we've got a stay of execution, 574 00:39:01,357 --> 00:39:04,701 he's guaranteed another parole hearing within 3-6 months. 575 00:39:04,727 --> 00:39:07,579 If, by then, Dr Gallop and her team still haven't found 576 00:39:07,604 --> 00:39:10,310 our golden nugget, he'll be released. 577 00:39:11,201 --> 00:39:13,162 But we're not gonna let that happen. 578 00:39:13,188 --> 00:39:15,427 It's time to send Cooper a message. 579 00:39:19,052 --> 00:39:20,005 Good evening. 580 00:39:20,031 --> 00:39:23,339 Organisers say we're on the eve of the biggest industrial dispute 581 00:39:23,364 --> 00:39:26,084 since the national strike of 1926. 582 00:39:26,123 --> 00:39:27,302 So, what's it all about, 583 00:39:27,328 --> 00:39:30,302 and how will it affect you and your family? 584 00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:37,169 - Cheers. - Cheers. 585 00:39:44,478 --> 00:39:46,584 We think one man did all four murders 586 00:39:46,610 --> 00:39:48,912 and we need your help to catch him. 587 00:39:48,938 --> 00:39:50,576 I want to make a personal televised 588 00:39:50,602 --> 00:39:53,057 appeal for information on the evening news. 589 00:39:53,082 --> 00:39:54,856 Do you think you'll get anything useful? 590 00:39:54,881 --> 00:39:56,485 It's a smokescreen. 591 00:39:56,977 --> 00:39:58,697 We're going to interview the suspect. 592 00:39:58,722 --> 00:40:01,633 I want to use the appeal to send a message to him in advance. 593 00:40:01,659 --> 00:40:04,016 Plant something in his brain, make him good and paranoid. 594 00:40:04,042 --> 00:40:06,469 We're reinvestigating the cases and we... 595 00:40:06,603 --> 00:40:09,611 are confident we'll catch the culprit using DNA. 596 00:40:10,921 --> 00:40:12,435 Have you found something? 597 00:40:12,461 --> 00:40:13,383 No. 598 00:40:13,409 --> 00:40:15,094 But he doesn't know that. 599 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,047 And who better than the killer to help us refine our search? 600 00:40:18,211 --> 00:40:20,430 Handled right, liars have a way of 601 00:40:20,456 --> 00:40:22,989 telling you more than is good for them. 602 00:40:23,819 --> 00:40:26,527 OK, I'm on board, but just one thing, 603 00:40:26,553 --> 00:40:28,697 how can you be sure he'll be watching when you need him to? 604 00:40:28,722 --> 00:40:30,538 He's a creature of habit. 605 00:40:30,717 --> 00:40:34,702 I have it on good authority that he never misses Wales Tonight. 606 00:40:47,739 --> 00:40:48,944 Ta. 607 00:40:51,429 --> 00:40:53,421 About the news thing, boss. 608 00:40:53,851 --> 00:40:56,585 Are you gonna mention the kids? Nolton Hill? 609 00:40:56,907 --> 00:40:58,387 Definitely not. 610 00:40:59,214 --> 00:41:01,629 Why upset them when we don't even know if the CPS 611 00:41:01,655 --> 00:41:04,085 will include the offence on the indictment? 612 00:41:10,108 --> 00:41:13,637 There is someone who we should give a heads-up to, though. 613 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:46,026 - Who is it? - Andrew Cooper? 614 00:41:46,955 --> 00:41:49,729 - Who wants to know? - The police. 615 00:41:55,963 --> 00:41:57,310 ID. 616 00:42:02,108 --> 00:42:03,567 Thank you. 617 00:42:05,382 --> 00:42:08,103 You're not an easy man to track down. 618 00:42:08,185 --> 00:42:11,380 We were looking for an Adrian, not Andrew Cooper. 619 00:42:11,876 --> 00:42:13,427 I get that a lot. 620 00:42:13,771 --> 00:42:15,732 Why did you change your name? 621 00:42:17,784 --> 00:42:19,424 Why are you here? 622 00:42:20,625 --> 00:42:23,600 We thought we should let you know that we are... 623 00:42:23,739 --> 00:42:26,424 investigating the possibility that your father 624 00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:29,240 may have been involved in other, more serious crimes. 625 00:42:29,265 --> 00:42:31,573 We're going to make a public appeal for information. 626 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,263 I don't like people referring to him as my father. 627 00:42:36,585 --> 00:42:38,065 OK, I'm sorry. 628 00:42:38,331 --> 00:42:39,747 What would you prefer? 629 00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:41,786 His name. 630 00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:45,209 What other crimes? 631 00:42:46,745 --> 00:42:48,105 Four murders. 632 00:42:48,418 --> 00:42:51,044 Scoveston Park and Coastal Path. 633 00:42:53,857 --> 00:42:56,763 I'm not getting dragged back into all that shit again. 634 00:42:57,384 --> 00:42:59,651 I told Huntsman everything I know. 635 00:43:02,984 --> 00:43:04,439 He's got his father's eyes. 636 00:43:04,464 --> 00:43:05,839 Yeah, I clocked that. 637 00:43:05,864 --> 00:43:08,160 Why do you think he only changed his first name? 638 00:43:08,185 --> 00:43:10,302 If you wanna lie low, you change your surname. 639 00:43:10,328 --> 00:43:12,278 Maybe it wasn't about lying low. 640 00:43:12,384 --> 00:43:16,021 He changed his name in 1998, the same year Cooper was put away. 641 00:43:16,396 --> 00:43:18,319 Maybe it was about starting again. 642 00:43:18,344 --> 00:43:20,105 A new name, a new life. 643 00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:22,479 Doesn't look like that's working out too well for him. 644 00:43:22,504 --> 00:43:25,513 - The poor guy's a wreck. - And then we come along. 645 00:44:06,939 --> 00:44:09,380 - Are you OK? - Yeah. 646 00:44:11,914 --> 00:44:14,388 It's just you and me having a conversation. 647 00:44:15,842 --> 00:44:17,002 Yeah. 648 00:44:17,745 --> 00:44:20,833 In front of a few hundred thousand people, live. 649 00:44:25,661 --> 00:44:27,745 You know, in my first year at uni, 650 00:44:28,052 --> 00:44:30,680 me and some of my mates went camping near here. 651 00:44:30,705 --> 00:44:34,333 It was July 1989. It was just after the murders. 652 00:44:35,958 --> 00:44:38,072 We saw all the police activity. 653 00:44:38,098 --> 00:44:39,763 The wanted posters. 654 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,122 It was scary. 655 00:44:43,545 --> 00:44:45,145 Fascinating as well. 656 00:44:46,814 --> 00:44:49,661 It's what made me want to become a crime reporter. 657 00:44:52,341 --> 00:44:53,763 Good to go? 658 00:44:54,444 --> 00:44:56,124 - Let's do it. - Yeah. 659 00:45:16,573 --> 00:45:18,860 Good evening. We are live in Pembrokeshire, 660 00:45:18,886 --> 00:45:20,922 where there have been dramatic developments 661 00:45:20,948 --> 00:45:23,352 in two of Wales's most baffling crimes: 662 00:45:23,378 --> 00:45:25,480 the murders of Richard and Helen Thomas, 663 00:45:25,506 --> 00:45:27,359 and Peter and Gwenda Dixon. 664 00:45:27,761 --> 00:45:29,368 And now, decades on, 665 00:45:29,394 --> 00:45:31,993 these two double murders are being reinvestigated. 666 00:45:32,019 --> 00:45:34,118 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins 667 00:45:34,144 --> 00:45:36,605 is the man leading this reinvestigation. 668 00:45:36,964 --> 00:45:40,792 Developments in DNA analysis have revolutionised cold case reviews. 669 00:45:40,964 --> 00:45:43,579 As a team, we have brought these processes to bear 670 00:45:43,605 --> 00:45:44,868 on these two investigations 671 00:45:44,894 --> 00:45:47,401 and they have had a significant impact. 672 00:45:47,612 --> 00:45:50,128 We believe that somebody watching this programme tonight 673 00:45:50,154 --> 00:45:53,000 may know who is responsible for these terrible crimes. 674 00:45:53,025 --> 00:45:54,641 And I'm appealing to them, 675 00:45:54,667 --> 00:45:56,600 for the sake of the victims and their families, 676 00:45:56,625 --> 00:45:58,160 to please come forward. 677 00:45:58,185 --> 00:46:00,237 And do you think it's the same local man 678 00:46:00,263 --> 00:46:02,110 responsible for all four murders? 679 00:46:02,136 --> 00:46:03,829 I do believe that, Jonathan. 680 00:46:03,855 --> 00:46:06,276 Thanks to the advances in DNA forensic science, 681 00:46:06,302 --> 00:46:08,275 we are now in a much stronger position 682 00:46:08,301 --> 00:46:10,276 to catch the person responsible. 683 00:47:26,536 --> 00:47:32,678 www.subtitulamos.tv