1 00:00:08,195 --> 00:00:12,009 _ 2 00:00:18,254 --> 00:00:20,423 _ 3 00:00:20,448 --> 00:00:22,276 _ 4 00:00:34,349 --> 00:00:36,251 _ 5 00:00:36,276 --> 00:00:38,141 _ 6 00:00:45,611 --> 00:00:49,413 Mr Nilsen has confessed killing 15 men, 7 00:00:49,454 --> 00:00:54,491 mostly homeless and vulnerable, over a period of five years. 8 00:00:54,845 --> 00:00:57,985 We're now in the process of confirming that number. 9 00:00:58,706 --> 00:01:02,671 We're also aware that there are up to seven attempted murders. 10 00:01:02,696 --> 00:01:05,905 So we ask anybody who may have visited 11 00:01:05,930 --> 00:01:11,718 195 Melrose Avenue from December 1978 to 1981 12 00:01:11,743 --> 00:01:16,371 or 23 Cranley Gardens from 1981 to February this year 13 00:01:16,396 --> 00:01:18,555 to please call Hornsey Police Station 14 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:20,421 on the number behind me. 15 00:01:24,531 --> 00:01:26,837 If you know of anybody that's gone missing... 16 00:01:28,170 --> 00:01:31,596 Sons, brothers, fathers... 17 00:01:32,260 --> 00:01:37,119 uncles, nephews, cousins, friends... 18 00:01:37,620 --> 00:01:39,060 please contact us. 19 00:01:40,068 --> 00:01:41,317 Because we need your help. 20 00:01:41,342 --> 00:01:43,316 Okay, questions, please. Yes, Tim. 21 00:01:43,341 --> 00:01:45,930 How many of the victims have you identified so far? 22 00:01:45,955 --> 00:01:47,411 Other than Stephen Sinclair, 23 00:01:47,450 --> 00:01:49,107 we won't be naming any more of the victims 24 00:01:49,131 --> 00:01:51,611 until official charges have been brought against Mr Nilsen. 25 00:01:51,636 --> 00:01:53,356 - Charlotte. - How likely is it 26 00:01:53,381 --> 00:01:56,653 that you'll identify all 15 of his victims? 27 00:01:58,073 --> 00:02:01,474 Well, we're still in the process of assessing and analysing 28 00:02:01,499 --> 00:02:03,802 the evidence from Melrose Avenue... 29 00:02:07,053 --> 00:02:11,888 Synced & corrected by QueenMaddie www.addic7ed.com 30 00:02:15,738 --> 00:02:18,266 Yes, yes, I understand. 31 00:02:18,415 --> 00:02:21,328 We're absolutely certain, he killed only male. 32 00:02:22,986 --> 00:02:25,983 His father recognised the knives on the television. 33 00:02:26,008 --> 00:02:28,766 Gave them to him as a gift for starting chef's school. 34 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:30,256 But according to him, 35 00:02:30,281 --> 00:02:32,181 his son never turned up on the first day of class 36 00:02:32,205 --> 00:02:34,561 and he hasn't seen him since May, 1980, 37 00:02:34,586 --> 00:02:37,781 which would match Nilsen's dates for his third victim. 38 00:02:37,985 --> 00:02:39,050 Next step? 39 00:02:39,075 --> 00:02:40,874 Well, Nilsen's requested a visit, 40 00:02:40,899 --> 00:02:44,024 so I'll take the photo with me and get him to confirm. 41 00:02:44,049 --> 00:02:46,762 - Requested a visit? - Yeah. 42 00:02:46,787 --> 00:02:48,851 I'm hoping he's remembered some more names. 43 00:02:49,365 --> 00:02:52,055 - How are you coping? - Oh, good. 44 00:02:53,093 --> 00:02:56,090 We're trying to get through the 8,000 missing persons reports. 45 00:02:56,115 --> 00:02:58,287 No, I'm good, thanks. We need more manpower, 46 00:02:58,312 --> 00:02:59,982 but you know that. 47 00:03:00,302 --> 00:03:02,107 I'm still trying. 48 00:03:02,419 --> 00:03:04,529 What's going on with John the guardsman? 49 00:03:04,554 --> 00:03:06,980 Healey's checking all the guardsmen called John. 50 00:03:07,005 --> 00:03:10,718 - He's been on that for a few weeks. - There's 256 of them. 51 00:03:11,099 --> 00:03:14,330 Gonna take some time, but he'll find him. 52 00:03:15,121 --> 00:03:17,349 Speaking of which, erm... 53 00:03:18,592 --> 00:03:20,946 We think we might have another lead. 54 00:03:21,318 --> 00:03:24,560 Lodge found three dental plates in the dig at Melrose. 55 00:03:24,585 --> 00:03:27,465 One of them is only made in Germany. 56 00:03:27,490 --> 00:03:29,793 So he thinks if he can go over there... 57 00:03:29,818 --> 00:03:31,496 - To Germany? - He can narrow it down 58 00:03:31,521 --> 00:03:33,145 and probably come up with another name. 59 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:36,238 Guv, look, I know it's a long shot, but... 60 00:03:36,767 --> 00:03:39,087 If we get another name, it's gotta be worth it, right? 61 00:03:41,006 --> 00:03:44,386 There's talk from the Yard. As far as they're concerned, 62 00:03:44,411 --> 00:03:46,751 they already have him on three counts of murder. 63 00:03:47,259 --> 00:03:49,548 We told the press last week we think it's 15. 64 00:03:49,573 --> 00:03:51,806 Why do you think we're still active? 65 00:03:52,103 --> 00:03:53,587 I'm just warning you. 66 00:03:53,612 --> 00:03:56,452 We need to start closing the leads we already have, 67 00:03:56,477 --> 00:03:59,705 not opening new ones, especially in different countries. 68 00:04:00,048 --> 00:04:02,744 They're nervous about how much this is costing already. 69 00:04:02,769 --> 00:04:04,425 Oh, so this is about money? 70 00:04:04,634 --> 00:04:07,681 Everything is always about money, Peter. 71 00:04:07,706 --> 00:04:09,720 We've just gotta be smart. 72 00:04:11,549 --> 00:04:13,228 Thank you. 73 00:04:18,147 --> 00:04:20,664 No wonder that half of Category A's on hunger strike. 74 00:04:20,689 --> 00:04:23,312 I might well join them, just to break the monotony. 75 00:04:23,337 --> 00:04:24,337 No. 76 00:04:24,869 --> 00:04:26,669 Oh, and let me tell you... 77 00:04:28,730 --> 00:04:31,691 It's perfectly feasible to be on normal rations in here 78 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:34,234 and still effectively remain on hunger strike. 79 00:04:34,259 --> 00:04:35,870 I don't even know why I'm Category A in the first place. 80 00:04:35,894 --> 00:04:37,806 I'm hardly gonna escape, commit suicide. 81 00:04:37,831 --> 00:04:39,026 - Des... - The help I'm giving the police 82 00:04:39,050 --> 00:04:40,376 should be rewarded, not punished. 83 00:04:40,401 --> 00:04:42,134 Let me see what we can do. 84 00:04:42,737 --> 00:04:44,416 You said that before. 85 00:04:47,822 --> 00:04:49,369 Martyn Duffey. 86 00:04:50,314 --> 00:04:51,892 Is he one of them? 87 00:04:52,002 --> 00:04:53,826 Yeah, of course. Martyn. 88 00:04:53,851 --> 00:04:55,411 Yeah, he was number three. 89 00:04:55,451 --> 00:04:57,971 The one I told you about that I met at Euston Station. 90 00:04:59,138 --> 00:05:01,500 - Have you any more? - Hopefully soon. 91 00:05:02,629 --> 00:05:05,040 You said that you had some more information for me. 92 00:05:05,065 --> 00:05:08,148 Or was that just so you could talk about your living situation? 93 00:05:08,173 --> 00:05:09,887 No, I'd never do that. 94 00:05:10,963 --> 00:05:12,417 Any news about Bleep? 95 00:05:12,824 --> 00:05:14,984 Just, I've heard nothing about her since I got in here. 96 00:05:16,032 --> 00:05:19,605 I'll call the dogs' home. See what I can find out. 97 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:23,777 I actually have another name for you. 98 00:05:24,007 --> 00:05:27,426 Uh... Yeah, one of the young men at Melrose Avenue. 99 00:05:27,451 --> 00:05:29,411 I just woke up, his name was just there. 100 00:05:30,137 --> 00:05:31,775 Kenneth Ockenden. 101 00:05:33,183 --> 00:05:34,621 Ockenden? 102 00:05:34,778 --> 00:05:36,090 Hmm. 103 00:05:37,168 --> 00:05:40,783 You're a 100% sure? Kenneth Ockenden? 104 00:05:40,808 --> 00:05:43,851 Yeah. The Canadian lad, was all over the news when he went missing. 105 00:05:43,891 --> 00:05:45,973 Did you hold his name back from us? 106 00:05:46,026 --> 00:05:47,826 No, why would you say that? 107 00:05:48,908 --> 00:05:51,187 I want these people identified and laid to rest 108 00:05:51,212 --> 00:05:53,082 just as much as you do, Mr Jay. 109 00:05:53,107 --> 00:05:55,308 I'm simply trying to tell the truth. 110 00:06:00,431 --> 00:06:02,902 - But he can't have. - Why not? 111 00:06:02,927 --> 00:06:05,737 Because Ockenden was investigated for three years. 112 00:06:05,762 --> 00:06:07,933 Right, they found nothing. 113 00:06:08,168 --> 00:06:09,323 What are you thinking? 114 00:06:09,348 --> 00:06:10,827 Well, we're gonna request the files 115 00:06:10,852 --> 00:06:12,768 and treat it as a murder investigation. 116 00:06:12,793 --> 00:06:15,211 - What's the problem? - I know some of the guys, Peter. 117 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:17,785 Ockenden was a difficult case for them. 118 00:06:17,891 --> 00:06:20,543 And the press weren't exactly kind when they couldn't find him. 119 00:06:20,568 --> 00:06:22,582 All right, Steve, request the files. 120 00:06:24,627 --> 00:06:26,744 Can I tell Martyn Duffey's dad? 121 00:06:26,769 --> 00:06:29,571 I made him certain promises when he first came forward. 122 00:06:30,207 --> 00:06:31,393 Yeah, course. 123 00:06:31,418 --> 00:06:34,250 Sorry, boss, you might both want to hear this. 124 00:06:34,290 --> 00:06:37,124 Someone's just called saying he's Nilsen's biographer. 125 00:06:37,249 --> 00:06:38,593 - Eh? - Yeah. 126 00:06:38,618 --> 00:06:39,726 He asked if we could tell him 127 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:41,929 anything about the investigation or the arrest. 128 00:06:42,459 --> 00:06:45,054 No, look, that's just a rag trying to get a quote. 129 00:06:45,257 --> 00:06:47,265 If they call back, tell 'em to piss off. 130 00:06:47,290 --> 00:06:48,624 Gladly. 131 00:06:49,152 --> 00:06:50,569 Steve? 132 00:06:51,327 --> 00:06:53,319 Let me know when you get the files. 133 00:06:59,971 --> 00:07:02,763 Kenneth Ockenden. Canadian tourist. 134 00:07:02,788 --> 00:07:06,211 Left his hotel in Kings Cross December 3rd. 135 00:07:06,265 --> 00:07:09,986 He was meant to meet his uncle on the 5th 136 00:07:10,011 --> 00:07:13,187 to collect some money for a plane home for Christmas. 137 00:07:13,796 --> 00:07:15,255 He was never seen again. 138 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,891 What, and Nilsen's only just remembered this? 139 00:07:17,930 --> 00:07:20,656 Nilsen says he met him in a West End pub. 140 00:07:21,517 --> 00:07:24,742 They talked about his camera, they spent the day sightseeing. 141 00:07:25,265 --> 00:07:27,866 That night, he strangled him with a headphone cord 142 00:07:27,891 --> 00:07:30,570 as Ockenden listened to music in Melrose Avenue. 143 00:07:30,927 --> 00:07:33,787 He disposed of his body in the garden, as per, 144 00:07:33,812 --> 00:07:36,820 so we are currently looking for any signs of him in the dig. 145 00:07:36,845 --> 00:07:39,785 Now, look, we all hope that we find something at Melrose, 146 00:07:39,810 --> 00:07:43,451 but until we do, these files are our... 147 00:07:44,482 --> 00:07:45,802 They're our best shot. 148 00:07:46,734 --> 00:07:49,828 Now, look. I know you all think you might know about this case 149 00:07:49,853 --> 00:07:52,718 because of the media coverage, but we can't half-arse this. 150 00:07:53,137 --> 00:07:54,859 Nilsen is in there. 151 00:07:56,374 --> 00:07:57,812 Somewhere. 152 00:07:57,837 --> 00:07:59,437 Have you finished? 153 00:08:00,091 --> 00:08:03,211 I tell you explicitly not to open any more leads 154 00:08:03,236 --> 00:08:06,203 and you open Kenneth bloody Ockenden! 155 00:08:06,411 --> 00:08:09,610 Ockenden's mother had links to the Canadian parliament. 156 00:08:09,651 --> 00:08:11,928 His disappearance became political! 157 00:08:11,953 --> 00:08:14,011 So you can imagine the Yard's reaction 158 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:18,250 to you making it a murder enquiry with a serial killer as a suspect. 159 00:08:18,275 --> 00:08:20,523 - Nilsen says he killed him, guv. - Of course he did! 160 00:08:20,548 --> 00:08:22,757 He'd say anything to stay in the papers. 161 00:08:25,504 --> 00:08:28,905 Ockenden doesn't fit the victim profile, Peter. 162 00:08:28,930 --> 00:08:31,951 He wasn't homeless or an addict. He wasn't even gay. 163 00:08:31,976 --> 00:08:34,671 - He had a girlfriend back in Canada. - That doesn't mean anything. 164 00:08:34,696 --> 00:08:36,585 Then why did he go home with him? 165 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,343 What evidence have you found? 166 00:08:44,626 --> 00:08:47,060 You want us to tell his family 167 00:08:47,085 --> 00:08:50,291 that a boy the police couldn't find for three years 168 00:08:50,316 --> 00:08:52,585 was actually killed by a former copper, 169 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:54,610 and you don't have any physical evidence?! 170 00:08:54,635 --> 00:08:56,595 When's he ever lied to us before? 171 00:08:56,765 --> 00:08:58,718 I've been trying to help you. 172 00:08:58,991 --> 00:09:02,510 Get you the money and support you need to close this case. 173 00:09:02,770 --> 00:09:04,331 But you went behind my back 174 00:09:04,356 --> 00:09:07,116 and made us look like a bunch of amateurs! 175 00:09:09,566 --> 00:09:11,593 You better be right about this. 176 00:09:23,287 --> 00:09:27,105 The gruesome search continues at 195 Melrose Avenue 177 00:09:27,130 --> 00:09:29,942 for what police now believe are dismembered remains 178 00:09:29,967 --> 00:09:32,880 that have been buried in the garden for three years or more. 179 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:36,052 All day, detectives and forensic science experts 180 00:09:36,077 --> 00:09:39,474 have been taking the bones for examination in a laboratory. 181 00:09:39,499 --> 00:09:42,489 We found a small piece of the jaw 182 00:09:42,514 --> 00:09:45,514 and some teeth attached to it, in the rear garden. 183 00:09:45,539 --> 00:09:49,278 And this morning, they found a significant amount of human bones. 184 00:09:54,232 --> 00:09:57,036 Of what we've brought in, a big percentage of them 185 00:09:57,061 --> 00:09:58,925 turned out to be animal bones. 186 00:09:58,950 --> 00:10:01,481 But of those that are definitely human, 187 00:10:01,506 --> 00:10:06,442 we estimate we have between eight and 20 different victims. 188 00:10:07,861 --> 00:10:09,580 Are any of them from Ockenden? 189 00:10:09,848 --> 00:10:10,848 No. 190 00:10:11,713 --> 00:10:15,297 But a lot of them we couldn't analyse due to fire damage. 191 00:10:15,331 --> 00:10:17,837 Did we manage to identify anyone from them? 192 00:10:17,862 --> 00:10:19,509 I'm afraid not. 193 00:10:21,620 --> 00:10:24,500 There must be some more tests we can do. 194 00:10:24,525 --> 00:10:27,756 Look... I know it's not the news we hoped for. 195 00:10:27,781 --> 00:10:29,410 But it was always gonna be a long shot, 196 00:10:29,435 --> 00:10:31,195 considering the amount of time passed 197 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:35,109 and the astute method of disposal. 198 00:10:37,894 --> 00:10:41,493 I'd say we were fortunate to get Martyn Duffey. 199 00:10:41,518 --> 00:10:44,430 But you said there could be as many as 20? 200 00:10:44,455 --> 00:10:47,609 Well, as I say, it's an estimate, but it's certainly a possibility. 201 00:10:49,848 --> 00:10:51,828 I'll give you gentlemen a minute. 202 00:10:51,853 --> 00:10:53,156 Thank you. 203 00:10:59,331 --> 00:11:02,351 We need to re-test the headphones found at Cranley Gardens. 204 00:11:03,086 --> 00:11:05,585 No, Peter, all Ockenden is doing 205 00:11:05,610 --> 00:11:07,867 is sending us up a bunch of blind alleys. 206 00:11:08,814 --> 00:11:11,694 We may need to move on from him. You heard what he said. 207 00:11:11,719 --> 00:11:13,422 Possibly 20 victims. 208 00:11:14,047 --> 00:11:17,092 Which means Nilsen may have been lying to us from the very start. 209 00:11:18,935 --> 00:11:20,928 I'll call it in. 210 00:11:30,140 --> 00:11:32,037 I made something for you. 211 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:36,639 It's all jumbled and in no special order, 212 00:11:36,664 --> 00:11:38,928 but I figured, you're the artist. 213 00:11:41,571 --> 00:11:44,730 Only you know what's important and how to select it, so... 214 00:11:49,051 --> 00:11:51,014 What made you draw these? 215 00:11:51,053 --> 00:11:53,014 Nostalgia, I suppose. 216 00:11:58,597 --> 00:12:02,459 I thought you told the police that you didn't remember your victims? 217 00:12:02,484 --> 00:12:03,720 No, their names, no. 218 00:12:03,745 --> 00:12:07,304 But that doesn't mean I don't remember our time together. 219 00:12:10,725 --> 00:12:13,858 I took him up on maybe four occasions 220 00:12:13,883 --> 00:12:15,998 in the following two weeks. 221 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,928 What did you do when you... 222 00:12:19,857 --> 00:12:21,295 "brought him up"? 223 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,709 Well, his naked body fascinated me. 224 00:12:23,821 --> 00:12:27,385 I'd roll him onto his stomach, roll him onto his back. 225 00:12:27,410 --> 00:12:29,530 Touching him. Stroking him. 226 00:12:29,555 --> 00:12:32,092 I was thrilled that I had full control... 227 00:12:32,453 --> 00:12:35,326 ownership over this beautiful body. 228 00:12:35,351 --> 00:12:40,730 So control was the, um... motivation? 229 00:12:41,162 --> 00:12:43,905 Well, nothing's ever about one thing, Brian. 230 00:12:45,213 --> 00:12:47,068 Sometimes I'd, erm... 231 00:12:47,093 --> 00:12:49,804 put them in the other armchair next to mine 232 00:12:49,829 --> 00:12:51,794 while I'd watch an evening's television. 233 00:12:51,819 --> 00:12:53,978 I'd look over and imagine what we'd be talking about, 234 00:12:54,003 --> 00:12:55,279 if he could speak. 235 00:12:55,779 --> 00:12:57,379 Then at other times, 236 00:12:57,404 --> 00:12:59,256 you know, I couldn't actually believe this was happening, 237 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,185 that this was my life. But, uh... 238 00:13:02,588 --> 00:13:05,091 Death gives no refunds, so... 239 00:13:06,545 --> 00:13:08,106 We spend so much time talking about me, 240 00:13:08,131 --> 00:13:10,946 but I feel I hardly know anything about you. 241 00:13:11,396 --> 00:13:12,931 I don't even know if you're married. 242 00:13:13,574 --> 00:13:17,957 No, no. But I do have my emotional attachments. 243 00:13:18,490 --> 00:13:22,010 Okay. Maybe a more simpler question. 244 00:13:23,529 --> 00:13:28,105 Do you remember when you first became aware of death? 245 00:13:28,130 --> 00:13:30,908 I grew up in a fishing village, Brian, so... 246 00:13:31,602 --> 00:13:34,281 Death surrounds you when the sea's involved. 247 00:13:34,650 --> 00:13:36,290 That and the poverty. 248 00:13:37,855 --> 00:13:41,470 I saw my grandfather's corpse when I was six year old. 249 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:45,040 - How did he die? - At sea. He was a fisherman. 250 00:13:45,451 --> 00:13:48,370 And they brought his coffin back to the house, 251 00:13:48,395 --> 00:13:49,872 it was normal back then. 252 00:13:49,897 --> 00:13:53,450 And my mother, erm... 253 00:13:54,333 --> 00:13:56,466 woke me up and said, "Do you want to see your grandad?" 254 00:13:56,490 --> 00:13:59,075 I went into the living room and he was there, in a box. 255 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:01,763 - How did they explain that? - Well, they didn't. 256 00:14:02,730 --> 00:14:04,177 You didn't know that he was dead? 257 00:14:04,202 --> 00:14:05,872 No, they just said he was sleeping. 258 00:14:05,897 --> 00:14:09,685 After he left, the mystery of death, it always fascinated me. 259 00:14:09,710 --> 00:14:12,139 Sometimes I'd put talc on my face, 260 00:14:12,515 --> 00:14:15,705 paint my lips blue and poke my eyes 261 00:14:15,730 --> 00:14:18,770 till they were bloodshot and just look in the mirror. 262 00:14:19,666 --> 00:14:21,655 To make yourself seem dead? 263 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,950 Aye. 264 00:14:22,975 --> 00:14:25,725 And was this by yourself or... 265 00:14:28,214 --> 00:14:30,600 with somebody else there? 266 00:14:31,197 --> 00:14:32,516 Both. 267 00:14:34,038 --> 00:14:36,158 What would you do then? 268 00:14:37,108 --> 00:14:39,460 I would just sit and stare. 269 00:14:41,022 --> 00:14:44,397 Imagining the abyss as I touched him. 270 00:14:44,422 --> 00:14:47,030 And myself in my own dead image. 271 00:14:47,171 --> 00:14:48,865 So this is about sex. 272 00:14:48,890 --> 00:14:50,960 No! You keep looking for these simple answers, 273 00:14:50,985 --> 00:14:53,217 but you debase it to make it purely about that. 274 00:14:53,242 --> 00:14:54,820 I'm not trying to simplify anything, 275 00:14:54,845 --> 00:14:56,756 but you did have sex with these young men 276 00:14:56,781 --> 00:14:58,936 - after they had died. - No, I did not. 277 00:14:59,123 --> 00:15:00,639 Did I enjoy them? 278 00:15:00,664 --> 00:15:02,272 Yes. Did I... 279 00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:05,013 gain some satisfaction 280 00:15:05,038 --> 00:15:09,385 from looking at their naked bodies next to mine in the mirror? 281 00:15:09,499 --> 00:15:10,931 But I didn't penetrate them. 282 00:15:10,971 --> 00:15:12,931 Look, look, the wicked thing that I did 283 00:15:12,971 --> 00:15:14,999 was to squeeze the life out of a human being. 284 00:15:15,024 --> 00:15:17,184 That was wrong, that was unforgivable, 285 00:15:17,209 --> 00:15:18,717 I will be properly punished for it. 286 00:15:18,742 --> 00:15:21,105 But what I did to a corpse is neither here nor there. 287 00:15:21,327 --> 00:15:24,374 Brian, if you are more disgusted by what I did to a corpse 288 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,200 than what I did to a living man, 289 00:15:26,225 --> 00:15:28,705 then your moral system is upside-down 290 00:15:28,730 --> 00:15:30,409 and needs overhauling. 291 00:15:33,179 --> 00:15:35,019 You're right. 292 00:15:38,404 --> 00:15:41,725 I didn't intend to judge you. 293 00:15:45,451 --> 00:15:47,131 Let's go back to your childhood. 294 00:15:47,156 --> 00:15:48,865 Did you have many... 295 00:15:48,890 --> 00:15:50,413 Any friends at school? 296 00:15:50,438 --> 00:15:52,452 I'm glad we're doing this, Brian. 297 00:15:54,437 --> 00:15:57,975 Me too. It's nice to be listened to. 298 00:16:00,631 --> 00:16:02,499 Makes me feel human again. 299 00:16:03,085 --> 00:16:05,245 All these, treating me like a criminal. 300 00:16:05,481 --> 00:16:07,827 Do you not consider yourself to be a criminal? 301 00:16:07,852 --> 00:16:09,856 How I consider myself is obsolete. 302 00:16:09,881 --> 00:16:13,345 I deserve the right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty. 303 00:16:13,370 --> 00:16:15,792 Not have to wear the clothes of a convicted felon 304 00:16:15,817 --> 00:16:17,937 whilst I wait for my day in court. 305 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,799 Surely you can see that? 306 00:16:33,311 --> 00:16:35,589 We're sorry about the result of the dig. 307 00:16:35,865 --> 00:16:37,409 We all share your disappointment. 308 00:16:37,434 --> 00:16:40,146 Thank you. It was a blow, 309 00:16:40,171 --> 00:16:43,066 but we have other points of enquiry we're now investigating. 310 00:16:43,487 --> 00:16:45,175 There's been a development. 311 00:16:45,999 --> 00:16:47,511 Turns out that Nilsen's been getting 312 00:16:47,536 --> 00:16:49,480 regular visits from a biographer. 313 00:16:49,737 --> 00:16:52,073 Apparently his letter got through the prison censors 314 00:16:52,098 --> 00:16:54,426 and they'd been meeting for a number of weeks. 315 00:16:54,451 --> 00:16:56,995 Our fear here is that it's only a matter of time 316 00:16:57,020 --> 00:16:58,995 before the victims' identities, 317 00:16:59,020 --> 00:17:01,027 and especially one as well known as Ockenden, 318 00:17:01,052 --> 00:17:02,441 become public knowledge. 319 00:17:02,466 --> 00:17:06,066 Therefore, we feel we need to inform his family. 320 00:17:06,091 --> 00:17:09,058 We're still looking for confirmation on Ockenden, sir. 321 00:17:09,101 --> 00:17:11,260 The only reason we've been patient up until now 322 00:17:11,285 --> 00:17:12,558 was the hope that the dig 323 00:17:12,583 --> 00:17:15,385 would give us something to tie Ockenden to Melrose. 324 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:16,826 But it's been a month. 325 00:17:16,851 --> 00:17:19,245 Yeah, I'm aware of that. But if we had more men 326 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:21,670 and the word processor I've requested again and again... 327 00:17:21,695 --> 00:17:22,878 Peter. 328 00:17:22,903 --> 00:17:25,651 There is nothing I would like more than to find Ken 329 00:17:25,676 --> 00:17:28,185 and to bring anyone who harmed him to justice. 330 00:17:28,210 --> 00:17:29,800 But if we don't have any evidence 331 00:17:29,825 --> 00:17:31,847 - by now... - We'll find the evidence. 332 00:17:33,174 --> 00:17:35,581 I admire your confidence. 333 00:17:36,808 --> 00:17:38,967 But this investigation is beginning to harm 334 00:17:38,992 --> 00:17:41,714 the reputation of the Metropolitan Police. 335 00:17:41,966 --> 00:17:44,894 We've only just repaired the damage done by the riots. 336 00:17:44,919 --> 00:17:46,625 How are we damaging its reputation? 337 00:17:46,650 --> 00:17:50,251 Because people are starting to ask why this is all taking so long. 338 00:17:50,276 --> 00:17:52,058 Do you know how an investigation works? 339 00:17:52,083 --> 00:17:53,083 Peter. 340 00:17:53,698 --> 00:17:55,480 Wait for me outside. 341 00:18:09,566 --> 00:18:11,665 - What the hell was that? - Top brass care more 342 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:13,650 about their reputation than finding these men. 343 00:18:13,675 --> 00:18:14,847 Oh, grow up. 344 00:18:14,872 --> 00:18:17,323 You're not the only one who cares about this case. 345 00:18:17,943 --> 00:18:20,105 Let me give you some advice, Peter. 346 00:18:20,130 --> 00:18:22,128 Toe the fucking line! 347 00:18:25,983 --> 00:18:27,691 Yeah, that's fine. 348 00:18:27,730 --> 00:18:29,517 No, I don't mind holding while you find out. 349 00:18:29,542 --> 00:18:30,659 What's going on? 350 00:18:30,684 --> 00:18:32,082 Healey thinks he's got John. 351 00:18:32,107 --> 00:18:34,284 Don't bloody jinx it, Steve. 352 00:18:35,348 --> 00:18:37,213 All the guardsmen were accounted for, 353 00:18:37,238 --> 00:18:40,066 so we were screwed, basically. Back to square one. 354 00:18:40,292 --> 00:18:41,894 I went to see the West End branch, 355 00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:43,826 asked them if they knew any Johns 356 00:18:43,851 --> 00:18:45,667 from High Wycombe that frequented Soho. 357 00:18:45,692 --> 00:18:48,964 After giving me a load of grief about the Ockenden case, 358 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,089 they threw me a name. 359 00:18:52,071 --> 00:18:53,644 John Howlett. 360 00:18:53,854 --> 00:18:57,394 A ne'er-do-well, in and out of different homes as a kid, 361 00:18:57,419 --> 00:18:59,269 well-known on the streets of Soho. 362 00:18:59,514 --> 00:19:01,814 - Sound familiar? - Yeah. 363 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:05,018 Now we're just checking the blood type from the remains in Cranley. 364 00:19:05,534 --> 00:19:06,706 Okay. 365 00:19:06,731 --> 00:19:09,011 I think we deserve a bit of luck, don't you? 366 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:11,270 Yes. 367 00:19:12,164 --> 00:19:13,725 Yep. 368 00:19:15,539 --> 00:19:17,964 Okay. Thanks. 369 00:19:20,410 --> 00:19:21,771 We got a match. 370 00:19:23,901 --> 00:19:25,807 Great work, Chris! 371 00:19:25,832 --> 00:19:28,072 Why do you think Nilsen said he was a guardsman? 372 00:19:28,659 --> 00:19:30,291 I've got no idea. 373 00:19:31,174 --> 00:19:33,627 First round's on me! You coming? 374 00:19:33,652 --> 00:19:35,773 I'll be there in a bit. 375 00:19:35,798 --> 00:19:37,678 I've just gotta finish up here first. 376 00:20:02,011 --> 00:20:04,073 Thought you were all down the pub. 377 00:20:05,541 --> 00:20:07,135 You, uh... 378 00:20:07,479 --> 00:20:09,221 looking for anything in particular? 379 00:20:09,245 --> 00:20:10,605 Kenneth Ockenden. 380 00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:13,151 You're not gonna find him there, that's the Cranley Gardens log. 381 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,728 - Did we fingerprint the camera? - We did. 382 00:20:16,753 --> 00:20:18,198 What about the books we found? 383 00:20:18,441 --> 00:20:20,041 Yep, all the covers. 384 00:20:20,066 --> 00:20:21,454 But not the pages? 385 00:20:21,479 --> 00:20:23,106 How do you touch pages and not the covers? 386 00:20:23,130 --> 00:20:25,144 There's just a few books that might give us something that... 387 00:20:25,168 --> 00:20:27,293 The photography book, the London guide, things like that. 388 00:20:27,317 --> 00:20:28,940 The A to Z. 389 00:20:31,097 --> 00:20:33,057 Guv, is this a good use of time? 390 00:20:38,425 --> 00:20:40,146 I'll see what I can do. 391 00:21:08,989 --> 00:21:10,526 Can he harm us? 392 00:21:11,073 --> 00:21:12,643 I don't see how. 393 00:21:13,057 --> 00:21:15,081 What do you think they talk about? 394 00:21:15,402 --> 00:21:17,306 I don't even wanna know. 395 00:21:17,448 --> 00:21:19,811 Guv. Woman at the front desk, 396 00:21:19,836 --> 00:21:21,987 thinks her ex-partner might be a possible victim. 397 00:21:22,012 --> 00:21:23,691 Cheers, Chris. 398 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,682 Yeah, he's on his way down. 399 00:21:26,112 --> 00:21:27,307 Great. 400 00:21:28,010 --> 00:21:30,401 He went missing about a year ago. 401 00:21:32,362 --> 00:21:35,443 Last time I saw him, he came round to the house. 402 00:21:35,686 --> 00:21:37,366 We'd been separated a few months, 403 00:21:37,391 --> 00:21:39,466 said he wanted to spend more time with Shane. 404 00:21:39,878 --> 00:21:41,650 But I knew he was just there for the money, 405 00:21:41,675 --> 00:21:43,667 so he could go down to Soho and score. 406 00:21:44,925 --> 00:21:48,125 We... had an argument that day and he left. 407 00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:50,187 I know I haven't seen him since. 408 00:21:50,453 --> 00:21:54,555 A week after that, he had a court date, which he missed. 409 00:21:55,545 --> 00:21:58,026 And he always attended court, no matter what. 410 00:21:58,413 --> 00:21:59,959 So I went down to the job centre, 411 00:21:59,984 --> 00:22:01,110 they told me he hadn't signed on. 412 00:22:01,134 --> 00:22:02,483 So then I rang his solicitor, 413 00:22:02,508 --> 00:22:05,331 and they told me to wait a while and that he'd show up. 414 00:22:05,877 --> 00:22:07,695 But I knew. 415 00:22:08,491 --> 00:22:10,640 And then I saw you on the news, 416 00:22:10,665 --> 00:22:12,609 and even though I know Graham wasn't bent, 417 00:22:12,634 --> 00:22:15,695 just something kept turning in my gut. 418 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,101 Not all of his victims were gay. 419 00:22:18,211 --> 00:22:21,328 Some just needed a bed or some food. 420 00:22:24,712 --> 00:22:26,386 Do you have a photo? 421 00:22:27,105 --> 00:22:28,386 Yeah. 422 00:22:30,949 --> 00:22:32,660 This. 423 00:22:36,990 --> 00:22:39,128 So, he had a criminal record? 424 00:22:39,331 --> 00:22:40,667 Of course. 425 00:22:41,863 --> 00:22:43,387 He almost wore it as a badge of honour, 426 00:22:43,411 --> 00:22:45,308 you know, him against the system. 427 00:22:46,695 --> 00:22:48,816 I just need to know what happened. 428 00:22:50,716 --> 00:22:54,019 I know he's been a bit of a shit, but... 429 00:22:54,734 --> 00:22:56,295 he's Shane's dad. 430 00:22:59,825 --> 00:23:02,339 DCI Peter Jay to see Dennis Nilsen. 431 00:23:19,650 --> 00:23:21,566 I need you to identify some photos. 432 00:23:21,591 --> 00:23:22,591 How's Bleep? 433 00:23:23,491 --> 00:23:24,707 Well, you made it pretty busy for me 434 00:23:24,731 --> 00:23:26,480 the last time I was here, Des. 435 00:23:27,553 --> 00:23:30,003 Haven't had a chance to find out about your dog. 436 00:23:34,047 --> 00:23:38,222 Graham Allen and John Howlett, AKA John the Guardsman. 437 00:23:38,247 --> 00:23:40,597 Although he wasn't a guardsman, was he? 438 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:42,585 He was just another young man, 439 00:23:42,610 --> 00:23:44,675 finding his way on the streets of Soho. 440 00:23:45,129 --> 00:23:47,519 I am sick of helping people 441 00:23:47,544 --> 00:23:49,980 who take advantage of my good nature. 442 00:23:51,081 --> 00:23:53,003 I am deserving of some more balance. 443 00:23:53,028 --> 00:23:54,956 What, like with your biographer? 444 00:23:59,690 --> 00:24:01,542 Did you kill these men? 445 00:24:04,427 --> 00:24:07,227 How many people did you kill in Melrose Avenue? 446 00:24:08,448 --> 00:24:10,949 Did you kill Kenneth Ockenden? 447 00:24:11,185 --> 00:24:13,908 If I hadn't wanted you to, you wouldn't have found me. 448 00:24:13,933 --> 00:24:15,586 - So why would I lie to you now? - Look at the photos. 449 00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:17,635 I've been convicted of no crimes as of yet, 450 00:24:17,660 --> 00:24:20,105 therefore I am innocent until proven guilty. 451 00:24:20,130 --> 00:24:21,131 Where is this coming from? 452 00:24:21,155 --> 00:24:23,167 In Category A, like some kind of dangerous criminal... 453 00:24:23,191 --> 00:24:26,222 Look at the photos and tell me if you killed these men... 454 00:24:26,489 --> 00:24:28,855 - Des! - I'm your only witness! 455 00:24:34,507 --> 00:24:38,230 This man has a seven-year-old son. 456 00:24:40,133 --> 00:24:43,550 Do the right thing, and look at the fucking photos. 457 00:24:51,531 --> 00:24:53,667 Did you kill this man? 458 00:24:59,261 --> 00:25:01,182 No comment. 459 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,277 Detective Chief Inspector Peter Jay. 460 00:25:24,302 --> 00:25:25,472 Brian Masters. 461 00:25:25,497 --> 00:25:27,808 - Drink? - No, thank you. 462 00:25:36,846 --> 00:25:38,128 You found it all right, then? 463 00:25:38,153 --> 00:25:40,353 - Oh, yes, no trouble at all. - Good. 464 00:25:46,872 --> 00:25:51,003 So, how long have you been writing? 465 00:25:51,501 --> 00:25:53,980 About 15 years. You? 466 00:25:54,005 --> 00:25:56,589 I mean, how long have you been a policeman? 467 00:25:56,614 --> 00:25:58,331 Nearly 23 years. 468 00:25:59,943 --> 00:26:03,183 How many books have you written about people like Nilsen? 469 00:26:03,208 --> 00:26:05,714 Well, this is my first. 470 00:26:06,441 --> 00:26:09,542 Then, let me give you some advice. 471 00:26:11,127 --> 00:26:12,628 Walk away. 472 00:26:12,653 --> 00:26:15,737 Well, with all due respect, Mr Jay, 473 00:26:15,762 --> 00:26:18,870 I'm... I didn't approach this naively. 474 00:26:18,895 --> 00:26:20,519 Well, why approach it at all? 475 00:26:21,148 --> 00:26:24,675 I mean, you think you can understand these things he did? 476 00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:28,988 I'm not sure that understanding is useful here. 477 00:26:29,013 --> 00:26:31,753 The term is emotional and more often than not, 478 00:26:31,778 --> 00:26:33,035 it leads us to answers 479 00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:35,779 that are indicative of our own prejudices. 480 00:26:35,842 --> 00:26:39,949 It's not about understanding, it's about comprehending. 481 00:26:39,974 --> 00:26:41,613 Isn't that the same thing? 482 00:26:43,401 --> 00:26:47,261 Humans kill. It's in our nature. 483 00:26:47,489 --> 00:26:51,058 Out of fits of rage or jealousy, or self-defence. 484 00:26:51,083 --> 00:26:56,535 But to kill so many men without any real reason... 485 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,097 I think it's important that we try 486 00:26:59,122 --> 00:27:02,324 to comprehend why this happened, 487 00:27:02,349 --> 00:27:05,636 and how this person came to pass. 488 00:27:06,852 --> 00:27:08,251 I need you to tell us 489 00:27:08,276 --> 00:27:11,378 everything that Nilsen's told you about the identities of his victims. 490 00:27:11,650 --> 00:27:15,808 Well, I don't have any more information than you already have. 491 00:27:15,833 --> 00:27:17,628 Well, you've been talking for months. 492 00:27:18,413 --> 00:27:20,589 We talk about other things. 493 00:27:20,614 --> 00:27:23,035 - Such as? - His childhood. 494 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:24,740 His time in the army. 495 00:27:24,765 --> 00:27:27,355 - Was he killing in the army? - No. 496 00:27:27,946 --> 00:27:30,191 How often have you been visiting him? 497 00:27:30,216 --> 00:27:31,896 Once or twice a week. 498 00:27:31,921 --> 00:27:34,183 - When's the last time you saw him? - Four days ago. 499 00:27:34,450 --> 00:27:36,636 And, he wrote to you? 500 00:27:36,823 --> 00:27:38,343 No, I wrote to him. 501 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:43,340 I'm not really sure why we're here. 502 00:27:46,512 --> 00:27:49,488 Nilsen is no longer helping us with our investigation. 503 00:27:51,047 --> 00:27:52,583 Since when? 504 00:27:52,608 --> 00:27:54,341 What, he didn't tell you? 505 00:27:56,296 --> 00:27:58,411 Has he even mentioned Kenneth Ockenden? 506 00:27:58,436 --> 00:28:01,091 - Did he kill Kenneth Ockenden? - I didn't say that. 507 00:28:04,908 --> 00:28:08,380 If he mentions any names, you have a duty to report them to us. 508 00:28:09,742 --> 00:28:11,599 Oh, it's not as simple as that. 509 00:28:11,624 --> 00:28:14,304 Perverting the course of justice is very simple. 510 00:28:17,511 --> 00:28:18,614 If you are suggesting 511 00:28:18,639 --> 00:28:21,614 that I had anything to do with his retracting his cooperation, 512 00:28:21,639 --> 00:28:24,079 then you are gravely mistaken, Mr Jay. 513 00:28:27,176 --> 00:28:29,950 And if you wish to take this conversation any further, 514 00:28:29,975 --> 00:28:33,450 then maybe I should telephone my solicitor. 515 00:28:37,091 --> 00:28:39,216 If you wanted to write a book about Nilsen, 516 00:28:39,241 --> 00:28:40,943 you should have come to us first. 517 00:28:41,474 --> 00:28:43,489 We'd have given you the real story. 518 00:28:44,081 --> 00:28:47,361 But you're all so fucking fascinated by him, aren't you? 519 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,800 - Afternoon. - Good afternoon. 520 00:29:12,567 --> 00:29:14,919 Ever since I've come to this hell on earth, 521 00:29:14,944 --> 00:29:18,305 I have been disrespected, abused, humiliated. 522 00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:21,060 I have done nothing but help an investigation, 523 00:29:21,085 --> 00:29:23,302 for which I have not yet been convicted. 524 00:29:23,327 --> 00:29:25,450 Nobody cares about my years of public service, 525 00:29:25,475 --> 00:29:27,747 my work with the unions, that goes unnoticed. 526 00:29:27,772 --> 00:29:29,931 Why didn't you mention Kenneth Ockenden? 527 00:29:30,304 --> 00:29:32,349 You've spoken to Mr Jay, I see. 528 00:29:32,374 --> 00:29:34,054 Yes. He contacted me. 529 00:29:36,267 --> 00:29:38,148 Yeah. 530 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,622 I didn't mention Ken cos he's the one I regret. 531 00:29:44,006 --> 00:29:46,153 The day we spent together was so happy. 532 00:29:46,178 --> 00:29:47,982 The happiest I'd been all year. 533 00:29:48,007 --> 00:29:51,385 Unlike the others, his death was a kind of... cruel and 534 00:29:51,410 --> 00:29:54,107 horrid parody of what could've been. 535 00:29:55,811 --> 00:29:58,854 Well, do you not feel any guilt or remorse? 536 00:29:58,879 --> 00:29:59,879 Why? 537 00:30:00,994 --> 00:30:04,259 They live with me in my cell, Brian. 538 00:30:05,343 --> 00:30:06,623 All of them. 539 00:30:06,648 --> 00:30:09,689 How can I feel remorse when I have taken those pains into myself? 540 00:30:09,714 --> 00:30:11,353 That's obscene. 541 00:30:11,884 --> 00:30:14,181 Look, I'd give anything for any one of them 542 00:30:14,206 --> 00:30:16,579 to walk in here right now and shoot me dead. 543 00:30:16,604 --> 00:30:19,332 But the sad fact is they had to die 544 00:30:19,357 --> 00:30:21,152 to get attention for their plights. 545 00:30:21,177 --> 00:30:24,285 Because the public pious aftercare comes too late. 546 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:26,996 And when this is all over, the Des Nilsens, 547 00:30:27,111 --> 00:30:30,043 and the Stephen Sinclairs and the Martyn Duffeys of this world 548 00:30:30,068 --> 00:30:33,629 will still stagger along, unnoticed and alone, 549 00:30:33,654 --> 00:30:38,199 because society is more interested in death than it is in life. 550 00:30:38,224 --> 00:30:40,340 These people that you mention... 551 00:30:40,933 --> 00:30:43,340 they weren't Kenneth Ockenden. 552 00:30:43,365 --> 00:30:44,449 You say so yourself. 553 00:30:44,474 --> 00:30:48,269 So what was it that made you kill Kenneth Ockenden? 554 00:30:48,835 --> 00:30:50,235 He was... 555 00:30:52,380 --> 00:30:54,254 They were all my type. 556 00:30:54,978 --> 00:30:56,629 Simple as that? 557 00:30:58,891 --> 00:31:01,433 I once strangled and drowned a young man. 558 00:31:01,458 --> 00:31:03,691 And then, when he was lying on the bed, 559 00:31:03,716 --> 00:31:06,894 I noticed Bleep licking his face. 560 00:31:06,919 --> 00:31:08,439 He was still alive. 561 00:31:09,477 --> 00:31:11,230 So I resuscitated him. 562 00:31:11,327 --> 00:31:13,308 And he was very confused when he came to, 563 00:31:13,333 --> 00:31:14,957 he didn't know what had happened. 564 00:31:15,515 --> 00:31:17,840 And he was there for days, me taking care of him. 565 00:31:17,865 --> 00:31:20,136 And then, when he was well enough to leave, 566 00:31:20,161 --> 00:31:24,105 I took him up to Highgate Station and we arranged to meet again, 567 00:31:24,130 --> 00:31:25,370 the week after. 568 00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:28,472 Well, the week after came and went, and he never came back. 569 00:31:29,584 --> 00:31:31,722 Perhaps he should've stayed in my flat. 570 00:31:34,579 --> 00:31:38,715 The thought of them leaving triggered the impulse? 571 00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:40,222 Everybody leaves. 572 00:31:40,247 --> 00:31:43,902 Friends, colleagues, boyfriends, they all disappear eventually. 573 00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:47,379 My grandfather, my great hero and protector, 574 00:31:47,404 --> 00:31:49,754 was the only person that I ever loved. 575 00:31:50,923 --> 00:31:54,441 Seeing my grandfather in that box... 576 00:31:55,938 --> 00:31:57,857 all my troubles started there. 577 00:31:58,055 --> 00:32:01,351 See, it blighted my personality permanently. 578 00:32:01,376 --> 00:32:03,257 That's why I did all these things. 579 00:32:03,453 --> 00:32:05,679 That and the booze and the music. 580 00:32:06,187 --> 00:32:11,359 It whipped me up into a sort of frenzied fantasy, 581 00:32:11,384 --> 00:32:13,384 that brought the devil and the darkness. 582 00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:15,242 But without that, I'm harmless. 583 00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:18,359 No, Des, no. It is not your place 584 00:32:18,384 --> 00:32:23,023 to make objective reasons why you did these things. 585 00:32:23,048 --> 00:32:25,568 Especially with this spurious logic. 586 00:32:26,051 --> 00:32:27,554 Whose place is it then? Is it yours? 587 00:32:27,579 --> 00:32:29,624 No, this book cannot be 588 00:32:29,649 --> 00:32:34,476 a subjective look at your life and, and your, your actions. 589 00:32:34,508 --> 00:32:37,256 We both of us, we must remain objective. 590 00:32:37,635 --> 00:32:39,635 And if there are any lessons to be learned, 591 00:32:39,660 --> 00:32:43,538 it is up to the reader to decide, not us. 592 00:32:43,563 --> 00:32:47,367 All these ruminations and hypotheses might be helpful to you, 593 00:32:47,392 --> 00:32:50,968 but... it can't be the end of the road. 594 00:32:51,807 --> 00:32:54,617 That's not what I'm here for. 595 00:32:58,418 --> 00:32:59,983 Brian, would you do me a kindness? 596 00:33:00,008 --> 00:33:01,587 I need to find out about my dog. 597 00:33:01,612 --> 00:33:03,051 Could you do that for me? 598 00:33:07,963 --> 00:33:10,609 Yes, I'll see what I can do. 599 00:33:23,698 --> 00:33:26,445 Peter. Gotta come and see this. 600 00:33:34,361 --> 00:33:35,913 - Brian? - Guv. 601 00:33:35,938 --> 00:33:39,320 We've got a partial print off the A-Z which ain't Nilsen's. 602 00:33:39,591 --> 00:33:41,351 Looks like Ockenden's. 603 00:33:42,618 --> 00:33:44,138 You sure? 604 00:33:58,939 --> 00:34:01,219 Hell of a hunch, guv. 605 00:34:31,185 --> 00:34:33,359 Ah. Thank you. 606 00:34:33,384 --> 00:34:35,726 Peter, this is Commander Lockwood. 607 00:34:35,761 --> 00:34:38,429 - You know Russell. - Good to meet you, sir. 608 00:34:39,087 --> 00:34:41,287 Peter, I'd like to congratulate you. 609 00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:44,546 Although we were all understandably sceptical at first, 610 00:34:44,793 --> 00:34:48,132 Ockenden is a huge weight off this force. 611 00:34:48,157 --> 00:34:49,484 Thank you, sir. 612 00:34:49,509 --> 00:34:51,585 It wasn't the easiest one for us, but it... 613 00:34:51,610 --> 00:34:52,844 shows we're getting through it. 614 00:34:52,868 --> 00:34:55,492 Well, obviously these things can't last forever. 615 00:34:55,517 --> 00:34:59,077 And upstairs feel that confirming Ockenden 616 00:34:59,102 --> 00:35:02,210 is a natural place to wrap things up. 617 00:35:02,235 --> 00:35:04,474 Therefore, a decision has been made. 618 00:35:04,499 --> 00:35:07,585 We're going to charge him with six murders 619 00:35:07,811 --> 00:35:09,530 and bring the investigation to a close. 620 00:35:09,570 --> 00:35:10,833 Sir... 621 00:35:11,717 --> 00:35:13,857 If I may, I think this is a mistake. 622 00:35:13,882 --> 00:35:17,341 We have leads which I'm sure will bring us more names. 623 00:35:17,366 --> 00:35:19,724 A woman called Lesley Mead has come forward. 624 00:35:19,749 --> 00:35:21,818 We suspect her ex-partner might be a victim... 625 00:35:21,843 --> 00:35:23,029 Detective. 626 00:35:23,054 --> 00:35:27,091 We have spent a fortune on your team's overtime alone. 627 00:35:27,116 --> 00:35:29,513 Six murders. He never gets out. 628 00:35:29,538 --> 00:35:31,059 Charging him with six is a joke... 629 00:35:31,084 --> 00:35:32,084 - Peter. - No, but guv... 630 00:35:32,109 --> 00:35:35,513 - The decision has been made. - Please, sir, if I may. 631 00:35:35,538 --> 00:35:37,505 There are at least nine families 632 00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:39,240 who will never get closure if we stop now. 633 00:35:39,265 --> 00:35:42,169 We just need more time and we'll find all 15, I'm sure of it. 634 00:35:42,194 --> 00:35:45,193 But we're not even sure he killed 15, are we? 635 00:35:45,366 --> 00:35:47,333 And now that he's stopped talking to us, 636 00:35:47,358 --> 00:35:49,038 perhaps we'll never know. 637 00:35:49,573 --> 00:35:53,293 No. It's time for you and your team to move on, Peter. 638 00:35:55,274 --> 00:35:58,435 I'm sure your families will be very happy to see you. 639 00:36:18,748 --> 00:36:20,310 Can I, erm... 640 00:36:20,335 --> 00:36:22,474 can I have everybody's attention? 641 00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:27,430 Scotland Yard have just given the order to shut us down 642 00:36:27,455 --> 00:36:29,404 and to charge him with the six we've got. 643 00:36:35,811 --> 00:36:38,251 I can't tell you how proud I am of this team. 644 00:36:39,629 --> 00:36:42,589 And of the work that we've done together over the past four months. 645 00:36:44,050 --> 00:36:45,811 The six we found... 646 00:36:47,545 --> 00:36:48,870 Well, that's the kind of police work 647 00:36:48,894 --> 00:36:51,026 you can't just do from behind a desk. 648 00:36:52,804 --> 00:36:54,815 You're a credit to yourselves... 649 00:36:55,628 --> 00:36:57,151 and each other. 650 00:37:00,608 --> 00:37:02,327 Thank you. 651 00:37:24,587 --> 00:37:27,190 Nilsen, a 37-year-old civil servant, 652 00:37:27,215 --> 00:37:29,963 was arrested and charged after human remains were discovered 653 00:37:29,988 --> 00:37:32,752 at two properties in North London. 654 00:37:32,777 --> 00:37:34,338 He has now been committed to trial 655 00:37:34,363 --> 00:37:37,526 for six charges of murder and two attempted murders. 656 00:37:37,824 --> 00:37:41,416 The former police officer is due to appear in court later this week, 657 00:37:41,441 --> 00:37:45,242 where he is expected to plead guilty on all charges. 658 00:38:01,985 --> 00:38:03,260 Peter. 659 00:38:04,698 --> 00:38:06,190 Steve! 660 00:38:06,611 --> 00:38:08,977 - Can I get you anything? - No, I'm fine. Thank you. 661 00:38:09,002 --> 00:38:11,274 - I'll leave you to be. - Thanks, love. 662 00:38:11,299 --> 00:38:12,657 How have you been? 663 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,743 Yeah, not bad. 664 00:38:15,821 --> 00:38:18,399 - What have you got? - It's about the Nilsen case. 665 00:38:18,424 --> 00:38:20,985 Of the remains found in Cranley Gardens, 666 00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:22,890 one of the jaw bones had scars 667 00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:25,672 on both sides of the jaw due to a fracture. 668 00:38:26,122 --> 00:38:27,649 Take a seat, mate. 669 00:38:27,674 --> 00:38:29,524 Graham Allen had his jaw broke in a fight. 670 00:38:29,549 --> 00:38:31,069 It's in his record. 671 00:38:31,601 --> 00:38:33,762 That doesn't necessarily mean it's Allen. 672 00:38:33,794 --> 00:38:36,354 So, Bowen goes to Allen's odontologist. 673 00:38:36,386 --> 00:38:39,212 Finds a denture that he had made, but never picked up. 674 00:38:39,237 --> 00:38:40,720 It fit the jaw. 675 00:38:40,745 --> 00:38:43,265 Graham Allen is the third victim of Cranley Gardens. 676 00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:51,189 When he came round to the house that day... 677 00:38:53,526 --> 00:38:56,120 The last thing that I said to him was... 678 00:38:58,221 --> 00:39:00,936 "I hope that you never come back." 679 00:39:03,429 --> 00:39:05,869 He'd have known you didn't mean that. 680 00:39:06,393 --> 00:39:07,726 Would he...? 681 00:39:07,921 --> 00:39:09,304 Sorry. 682 00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:15,999 Would he have... 683 00:39:17,086 --> 00:39:18,952 felt any pain? 684 00:39:19,711 --> 00:39:21,640 I don't think so. 685 00:39:22,794 --> 00:39:24,595 Okay. 686 00:39:27,809 --> 00:39:29,827 Lesley, erm... 687 00:39:32,909 --> 00:39:36,349 You know we've already charged Nilsen. 688 00:39:36,428 --> 00:39:39,388 That indictment's already been written up and processed. 689 00:39:43,065 --> 00:39:44,705 What are you saying? 690 00:39:50,367 --> 00:39:53,788 We can't add Graham's name to the list of Nilsen's victims. 691 00:39:59,793 --> 00:40:02,135 But you just said that he killed him. 692 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,370 No, he did. 693 00:40:03,684 --> 00:40:06,690 But the court has a time limit to add names, 694 00:40:07,830 --> 00:40:10,206 and that passed a few days ago. 695 00:40:24,476 --> 00:40:27,346 So Graham doesn't get any justice? 696 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:30,690 I'm afraid not. 697 00:40:44,452 --> 00:40:46,487 Guv called me when I was on leave. 698 00:40:47,964 --> 00:40:48,964 He said that our squad 699 00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:51,828 was being seriously considered for a commendation. 700 00:40:51,985 --> 00:40:54,145 I think he thought it would make me feel better. 701 00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:56,170 But all it did was make me more angry. 702 00:40:59,398 --> 00:41:02,096 You got, uh, two kids, right? 703 00:41:02,121 --> 00:41:04,277 Sorry, Steve, I mean, I should know that. 704 00:41:04,424 --> 00:41:07,573 Four. Two boys, two girls. 705 00:41:10,612 --> 00:41:12,174 Linda wants another. 706 00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,120 Well, I mean, our first, another for me. 707 00:41:16,166 --> 00:41:18,846 - You not so much? - Well, I'd like to. 708 00:41:20,365 --> 00:41:22,753 I've already fucked it up four times. 709 00:41:22,906 --> 00:41:25,010 This job does that. 710 00:41:25,409 --> 00:41:27,057 How are the boys? 711 00:41:29,410 --> 00:41:31,651 I haven't seen them for a while. 712 00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:34,167 I'm sorry to hear that, Peter. 713 00:41:34,592 --> 00:41:36,674 We should have stopped him, Steve. 714 00:41:37,851 --> 00:41:39,854 We caught him first chance we could. 715 00:41:39,879 --> 00:41:41,253 We should have known. 716 00:41:41,278 --> 00:41:44,057 Sometimes it's just not possible. 717 00:41:44,082 --> 00:41:48,122 I mean, he had a normal life, a normal job. 718 00:41:49,808 --> 00:41:51,642 You going to the committal hearing? 719 00:41:51,667 --> 00:41:53,462 Yeah. You? 720 00:41:53,487 --> 00:41:57,009 Aye. I can't wait for it all to be over. 721 00:41:57,587 --> 00:41:58,682 D'you know that he was the one 722 00:41:58,706 --> 00:42:00,798 that wrote the letters about the blocked drains? 723 00:42:01,494 --> 00:42:04,032 Told his landlord he wouldn't pay rent until they were cleaned. 724 00:42:04,057 --> 00:42:07,853 I mean, this whole thing, it's always been to Nilsen's script. 725 00:42:19,043 --> 00:42:20,204 Brian? 726 00:42:20,314 --> 00:42:21,759 Hello? 727 00:42:23,979 --> 00:42:26,118 A dogs' home called for you. 728 00:42:26,143 --> 00:42:30,103 They said further to your enquiry, Nilsen's dog has been put down. 729 00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:34,751 He asked me to find out about his dog, that's all. 730 00:42:36,803 --> 00:42:38,696 I need to get him to trust me. 731 00:42:38,721 --> 00:42:40,603 Otherwise all this is for nothing. 732 00:42:40,628 --> 00:42:42,954 So, what, now you're doing errands for him? 733 00:42:42,979 --> 00:42:44,376 Oh, come on. 734 00:42:45,803 --> 00:42:49,751 Someone who knows our world, our community, needs to write this. 735 00:42:49,776 --> 00:42:52,018 Otherwise they'll get it wrong. I mean, they'll fuck it up. 736 00:42:52,042 --> 00:42:53,353 They already are. 737 00:42:54,431 --> 00:42:56,831 Please... please try and understand. 738 00:42:59,512 --> 00:43:02,501 Just make sure it's not him who's writing it. 739 00:43:24,083 --> 00:43:26,446 Inspector! Having spent so much time with Nilsen, 740 00:43:26,471 --> 00:43:28,471 can you tell us what is he really like? 741 00:43:28,496 --> 00:43:30,681 - Unremarkable. - What makes you say that? 742 00:43:52,923 --> 00:43:54,850 This is a surprise, Brian. 743 00:43:55,061 --> 00:43:56,881 Hello, there, Des. Uh... 744 00:43:57,433 --> 00:43:58,819 How are you doing? 745 00:43:59,522 --> 00:44:00,912 Ah, I can't complain. 746 00:44:00,937 --> 00:44:02,819 If I did, who'd listen? 747 00:44:03,767 --> 00:44:05,246 Des, erm... 748 00:44:07,622 --> 00:44:12,284 Bleep was put down by the dogs' home. 749 00:44:13,529 --> 00:44:16,932 She became ill not soon after you'd been... 750 00:44:16,957 --> 00:44:18,746 arrested, and... 751 00:44:19,099 --> 00:44:23,794 and they thought that it would be kinder that way. 752 00:44:25,532 --> 00:44:28,318 She forgave me everything and never let me down. 753 00:44:29,915 --> 00:44:31,714 But in the moment of her greatest crisis, 754 00:44:31,739 --> 00:44:33,139 I wasn't there for her. 755 00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:38,451 How's the book progressing? 756 00:44:39,979 --> 00:44:42,540 It's coming along very well, thank you. 757 00:44:42,862 --> 00:44:46,365 I'm currently writing about your experiences in Aden. 758 00:44:47,157 --> 00:44:49,966 Another place the British Army should have never been. 759 00:44:50,565 --> 00:44:53,505 When they came to get me, I thought you were my solicitor. 760 00:44:54,196 --> 00:44:58,196 Sorry? Solicitor? I thought you'd dispensed with your legal aid? 761 00:44:58,588 --> 00:45:01,707 Change is the only constant in life. Who said that? 762 00:45:01,732 --> 00:45:03,035 Heraclitus. 763 00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:04,387 Yeah. 764 00:45:05,461 --> 00:45:08,629 No, well, this solicitor, this one has a tax-deductible heart, 765 00:45:08,654 --> 00:45:10,269 but needs must, y'know? 766 00:45:11,191 --> 00:45:13,090 Right, well... 767 00:45:14,223 --> 00:45:15,903 I'll see you up there. 768 00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:19,158 I do wanna thank you, Brian. 769 00:45:21,453 --> 00:45:22,893 For what? 770 00:45:23,386 --> 00:45:24,956 Your company. 771 00:46:01,986 --> 00:46:03,581 All rise. 772 00:46:20,869 --> 00:46:23,347 Dennis Andrew Nilsen. 773 00:46:24,402 --> 00:46:26,308 On count one of this indictment, 774 00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:29,112 you are charged with the murder of Stephen Sinclair. 775 00:46:29,693 --> 00:46:34,093 How say you, are you guilty or not guilty? 776 00:46:36,997 --> 00:46:38,542 Not guilty. 777 00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:43,011 On count two, you are charged with the murder of Kenneth Ockenden. 778 00:46:43,036 --> 00:46:45,737 How say you, guilty or not guilty? 779 00:46:46,167 --> 00:46:47,386 Not guilty. 780 00:46:47,411 --> 00:46:50,851 On count three, you are charged with the murder of John Howlett. 781 00:46:51,049 --> 00:46:53,854 How say you, guilty or not guilty? 782 00:46:54,032 --> 00:46:55,909 Not guilty. 783 00:46:56,293 --> 00:46:58,808 Synced & corrected by QueenMaddie www.addic7ed.com