1 00:00:00,148 --> 00:00:02,348 _ 2 00:00:05,556 --> 00:00:08,556 _ 3 00:00:08,580 --> 00:00:11,580 _ 4 00:00:11,628 --> 00:00:14,628 _ 5 00:00:17,739 --> 00:00:21,739 _ 6 00:00:27,364 --> 00:00:29,845 I should just burn White House down with Mum and Dad in it. 7 00:00:31,165 --> 00:00:32,725 Jeremy. 8 00:00:32,765 --> 00:00:35,004 Dont do that. 9 00:00:35,045 --> 00:00:36,204 It would be such a waste, 10 00:00:36,244 --> 00:00:37,805 to burn down such a beautiful old house. 11 00:00:38,884 --> 00:00:40,725 Guess I'll have to think of something else. 12 00:00:42,644 --> 00:00:44,324 I thought he was joking. 13 00:00:44,365 --> 00:00:46,564 One of his awful jokes. 14 00:00:46,604 --> 00:00:48,445 Tonight's the night, Jules. 15 00:00:48,485 --> 00:00:51,485 I've just had dinner with them all. It's the perfect chance. 16 00:00:51,525 --> 00:00:53,644 So you're saying Jeremy killed them? 17 00:00:53,684 --> 00:00:55,924 And not Sheila? 18 00:00:55,964 --> 00:00:58,165 Sheila was murdered. 19 00:00:58,204 --> 00:01:00,165 Same as the others. 20 00:01:00,204 --> 00:01:01,765 You stay quiet all this time. 21 00:01:01,805 --> 00:01:03,684 And a couple of days after he dumps you, 22 00:01:03,725 --> 00:01:06,285 you finally come forward and drop him in it. 23 00:01:06,324 --> 00:01:08,005 One thing about Julie. 24 00:01:08,044 --> 00:01:11,085 She has a very fertile imagination. 25 00:03:54,485 --> 00:03:56,724 First question was point of entry. 26 00:03:56,765 --> 00:03:59,284 I was told Bamber exited via this window. 27 00:03:59,325 --> 00:04:02,205 And according to Julie Mugford, he entered that way too. 28 00:04:02,244 --> 00:04:04,205 But I don't think that's possible. 29 00:04:04,244 --> 00:04:07,525 That lock. Youd break that if you tried to force it from the outside. 30 00:04:07,564 --> 00:04:10,645 So, I looked at other potential entry sites, 31 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:13,124 including the downstairs shower window. 32 00:04:14,164 --> 00:04:16,005 Which is where we found these. 33 00:04:18,245 --> 00:04:19,645 Scratches. 34 00:04:19,685 --> 00:04:21,005 Around the lock. 35 00:04:21,044 --> 00:04:24,164 That shower room was repainted at the start of the summer. 36 00:04:24,205 --> 00:04:25,804 So the scratches are recent too. 37 00:04:28,245 --> 00:04:30,085 Theyre serrated. 38 00:04:30,125 --> 00:04:32,284 - Like a... - A fine saw blade. 39 00:04:32,325 --> 00:04:34,685 Found on the ground just outside that window 40 00:04:34,724 --> 00:04:36,044 under a bit of rubbish. 41 00:04:36,085 --> 00:04:39,885 And the teeth on that match the scratches on the lock exactly. 42 00:04:39,924 --> 00:04:42,110 Finally, we can say that someone 43 00:04:42,135 --> 00:04:44,364 forced entry to that farmhouse. 44 00:04:44,404 --> 00:04:47,325 Now, if we can link that saw blade to Jeremy... 45 00:04:51,804 --> 00:04:54,085 I'll contact the DPP, gentlemen. 46 00:04:54,125 --> 00:04:55,844 Appraise them of this new evidence. 47 00:04:55,885 --> 00:04:58,205 But based on what you just told me... 48 00:04:59,325 --> 00:05:01,164 ..I think we might be on. 49 00:05:20,164 --> 00:05:23,404 Evening, gents. Can you step aside for a second, please? 50 00:05:26,645 --> 00:05:30,205 I want to tell you you're still under caution. 51 00:05:30,245 --> 00:05:33,164 And I want you to record that I've got food poisoning, 52 00:05:33,205 --> 00:05:35,645 and I've driven 1,800 miles. 53 00:05:35,685 --> 00:05:37,645 And I'm taking medication. 54 00:05:37,685 --> 00:05:39,445 Everything you say is being recorded. 55 00:05:39,484 --> 00:05:41,685 Jeremy, I put it to you 56 00:05:41,724 --> 00:05:42,993 that youve made a number 57 00:05:43,018 --> 00:05:44,844 of false statements to the police 58 00:05:44,885 --> 00:05:48,005 during the course of this investigation. 59 00:05:48,044 --> 00:05:51,005 Im now giving you the chance to correct those falsehoods. 60 00:05:54,364 --> 00:05:55,724 Isn't this your day off, Mick? 61 00:05:57,125 --> 00:05:59,125 I've come in specially. 62 00:05:59,164 --> 00:06:00,724 You need a holiday. 63 00:06:00,765 --> 00:06:02,404 Have you been to Saint Tropez? 64 00:06:02,445 --> 00:06:04,125 Youd love it. 65 00:06:04,164 --> 00:06:07,245 Jeremy, this is an extremely serious matter. 66 00:06:09,044 --> 00:06:11,044 Youre being charged with five counts of murder. 67 00:06:11,085 --> 00:06:12,125 Do you understand that? 68 00:06:12,164 --> 00:06:13,844 What, do you think I'm stupid? 69 00:06:13,885 --> 00:06:15,724 I think you're behaving very oddly 70 00:06:15,765 --> 00:06:18,765 for a man who's been accused of killing his own family. 71 00:06:18,804 --> 00:06:20,924 Maybe I've just got deja vu. 72 00:06:20,964 --> 00:06:23,205 Us sitting here like this. 73 00:06:23,245 --> 00:06:25,484 You making these accusations. 74 00:06:25,525 --> 00:06:27,404 Do you remember how it ended last time? 75 00:06:27,445 --> 00:06:30,085 You had to let me go, didn't you? 76 00:06:31,164 --> 00:06:33,804 Do you have a key to your parents house? 77 00:06:34,804 --> 00:06:36,645 Of course. I was given one with my cousin 78 00:06:36,685 --> 00:06:38,844 about a week after the new doors were fitted. 79 00:06:38,885 --> 00:06:41,164 So you have full access to the house? 80 00:06:41,205 --> 00:06:43,164 That's what keys are for. 81 00:06:43,205 --> 00:06:45,685 Do you recognise this? 82 00:06:49,604 --> 00:06:51,484 I suppose it's a saw blade. 83 00:06:52,604 --> 00:06:55,484 We can show that you purchased blades exactly like this 84 00:06:55,525 --> 00:06:58,245 not long before the murder of your family. 85 00:06:58,284 --> 00:07:00,645 I sometimes use them on my tractors. 86 00:07:00,685 --> 00:07:02,669 This blade was also used to gain 87 00:07:02,694 --> 00:07:04,964 entrance to your parents farmhouse. 88 00:07:05,005 --> 00:07:08,484 By forcing a window in the shower. 89 00:07:11,765 --> 00:07:13,924 So, how do you account for that? 90 00:07:13,964 --> 00:07:15,924 Forcing entry. 91 00:07:15,964 --> 00:07:17,724 When you've got the key. 92 00:07:20,164 --> 00:07:21,604 You're right. 93 00:07:21,645 --> 00:07:24,765 I did get in through that window. Just a few days back. 94 00:07:24,804 --> 00:07:27,085 I needed some documents for my overseas holiday, 95 00:07:27,125 --> 00:07:28,685 and I hadn't got my key with me, 96 00:07:28,724 --> 00:07:31,205 so I let myself in, using that saw. 97 00:07:33,765 --> 00:07:36,565 So you knew you were under suspicion for murder, 98 00:07:36,604 --> 00:07:39,205 but you decided to break into your parents house anyway? 99 00:07:39,245 --> 00:07:40,614 Into the scene of the crime. 100 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,325 I was running late for the ferry, 101 00:07:42,364 --> 00:07:43,623 and I wouldn't have been able to 102 00:07:43,648 --> 00:07:45,125 hire a car without those documents. 103 00:07:45,164 --> 00:07:46,525 It would have ruined my holiday. 104 00:07:46,565 --> 00:07:49,044 What do you think I should have done, walk to Saint Tropez? 105 00:07:53,044 --> 00:07:55,284 You're to be held in custody for further questioning 106 00:07:55,325 --> 00:07:57,565 in relation to the aforementioned crimes. 107 00:07:57,604 --> 00:07:59,604 Starting first thing in the morning. 108 00:07:59,645 --> 00:08:01,924 I suggest you use your time this evening 109 00:08:01,964 --> 00:08:03,645 to consider your situation. 110 00:08:03,685 --> 00:08:05,125 Good night, Stan! 111 00:08:05,164 --> 00:08:06,685 Good night, Mick! 112 00:08:06,724 --> 00:08:08,724 See you in the morning. 113 00:08:14,964 --> 00:08:17,085 He's come up with a story. 114 00:08:17,125 --> 00:08:18,325 Bullshit. 115 00:08:18,364 --> 00:08:19,724 Obviously. 116 00:08:19,765 --> 00:08:21,565 I reckon we let him stew overnight 117 00:08:21,604 --> 00:08:23,765 and see how he's feeling in the morning. 118 00:08:26,164 --> 00:08:27,445 All right, Guv. 119 00:08:27,484 --> 00:08:28,765 Will do. 120 00:08:28,804 --> 00:08:30,164 Good night. 121 00:08:34,125 --> 00:08:37,125 I guess its my turn to take some leave. 122 00:08:40,164 --> 00:08:42,164 I expect that's for the best. 123 00:08:43,485 --> 00:08:45,725 You know, I never rated you. 124 00:08:45,765 --> 00:08:47,324 No ambition. 125 00:08:47,365 --> 00:08:50,245 That's what I thought. 126 00:08:50,284 --> 00:08:51,765 Guess I was wrong. 127 00:08:51,804 --> 00:08:53,525 This has got nothing to do with ambition. 128 00:08:53,564 --> 00:08:57,044 So you climbed all over me for the sport of it, did you? 129 00:08:57,084 --> 00:08:59,404 Back at the start of this, you asked me 130 00:08:59,444 --> 00:09:01,885 if I cared about them two murdered boys. 131 00:09:01,924 --> 00:09:04,164 Well, there's your answer. 132 00:09:04,204 --> 00:09:08,044 I care a whole lot more about getting justice for them 133 00:09:08,084 --> 00:09:11,765 than I do about my bloody career. 134 00:09:11,804 --> 00:09:13,404 Young Bamber. 135 00:09:13,444 --> 00:09:16,284 You think he's a selfish, arrogant twat. 136 00:09:16,324 --> 00:09:18,924 But that doesn't make him a murderer. 137 00:09:22,525 --> 00:09:26,725 I hope, for his sake, you can tell the difference. 138 00:09:50,765 --> 00:09:52,365 Jeremy. 139 00:09:52,404 --> 00:09:54,564 It's a simple enough question. 140 00:09:54,605 --> 00:09:57,204 Was Sheila a good shot with the rifle? 141 00:09:59,485 --> 00:10:01,284 I've already answered that. 142 00:10:01,324 --> 00:10:03,164 So tell me again. 143 00:10:03,204 --> 00:10:05,365 The answer is I don't know. 144 00:10:05,404 --> 00:10:07,284 But on the night of the murders, 145 00:10:07,324 --> 00:10:10,284 you told police that you and her had been target shooting. 146 00:10:10,324 --> 00:10:11,804 Are you saying that's a lie? 147 00:10:11,845 --> 00:10:14,725 - No. - So you're denying saying it? 148 00:10:14,765 --> 00:10:18,125 Even though two police officers are willing to testify that you did. 149 00:10:19,204 --> 00:10:21,645 Look, you told me I said it, so maybe I said it, but I... 150 00:10:21,684 --> 00:10:23,005 I dont remember. 151 00:10:23,044 --> 00:10:25,845 Had you seen Sheila shoot ever? 152 00:10:25,885 --> 00:10:27,645 I told you. I can't remember! 153 00:10:27,684 --> 00:10:31,684 No-one else I've spoken to ever saw Sheila Caffell fire a gun. 154 00:10:31,725 --> 00:10:32,885 No-one. 155 00:10:32,924 --> 00:10:35,084 Now youre telling me you can't remember. 156 00:10:36,245 --> 00:10:39,005 It could well be that she's never fired a gun in her life. 157 00:10:39,044 --> 00:10:40,284 Would you agree with that? 158 00:10:40,324 --> 00:10:41,924 My sister was mentally ill. 159 00:10:41,965 --> 00:10:43,485 She was violent. 160 00:10:43,525 --> 00:10:45,684 Talk to her doctors. They'll confirm that. 161 00:10:45,725 --> 00:10:47,324 We've already spoken to them. 162 00:10:47,365 --> 00:10:49,284 So why won't you believe that she's done this? 163 00:10:49,324 --> 00:10:51,525 More than 20 bullets were fired into your family. 164 00:10:51,564 --> 00:10:54,044 Every single one of them hit their target. 165 00:10:54,084 --> 00:10:55,444 Your mother. 166 00:10:55,485 --> 00:10:57,204 Shot seven times. 167 00:10:57,245 --> 00:10:59,125 Every shot on target. 168 00:10:59,164 --> 00:11:00,324 Your dad. 169 00:11:00,365 --> 00:11:02,164 Shot eight times. 170 00:11:02,204 --> 00:11:03,885 All on target. 171 00:11:03,924 --> 00:11:06,164 You want me to believe that that was done 172 00:11:06,204 --> 00:11:09,245 by a girl whod scarcely picked up a rifle in her life? 173 00:11:25,245 --> 00:11:27,005 He was beaten too. 174 00:11:27,044 --> 00:11:28,485 Your dad. 175 00:11:28,525 --> 00:11:30,645 Mercilessly. 176 00:11:35,125 --> 00:11:37,924 I dont want to know about things like that. 177 00:11:40,284 --> 00:11:42,090 Must have taken a lot of strength 178 00:11:42,115 --> 00:11:43,549 to do something like that. 179 00:11:44,645 --> 00:11:46,084 A lot of anger. 180 00:11:47,525 --> 00:11:49,404 Maybe a lot of hate. 181 00:11:55,725 --> 00:11:57,444 I wasn't there. 182 00:11:57,485 --> 00:12:00,245 So I wouldnt know about that, would I? 183 00:12:17,125 --> 00:12:19,284 There were a few small contradictions, 184 00:12:19,324 --> 00:12:20,804 but nothing substantial. 185 00:12:20,845 --> 00:12:23,084 Basically, he' sticking to his story. 186 00:12:23,125 --> 00:12:24,702 Bamber admits he accessed the house 187 00:12:24,727 --> 00:12:25,885 through the shower window, 188 00:12:25,924 --> 00:12:27,084 with the saw blade, 189 00:12:27,125 --> 00:12:29,005 but insists it was for innocent reasons. 190 00:12:29,044 --> 00:12:31,804 - Cookie, where do we stand with forensics? - Fingerprints. 191 00:12:31,845 --> 00:12:34,444 Recovered two usable impressions. One from the rifle butt. 192 00:12:34,485 --> 00:12:36,044 That was Sheila's. 193 00:12:36,084 --> 00:12:37,374 And the other from the barrel. 194 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:38,965 Which was Jeremy's right forefinger. 195 00:12:39,005 --> 00:12:40,204 In that shape? 196 00:12:40,245 --> 00:12:42,485 Some surfaces take better fingerprints than others. 197 00:12:42,525 --> 00:12:44,164 What about the hand swabs? 198 00:12:44,204 --> 00:12:46,125 Well, the bullets that were used in the killings 199 00:12:46,164 --> 00:12:47,564 have these greasy coatings. 200 00:12:47,605 --> 00:12:49,025 There's no way of loading the rifle 201 00:12:49,050 --> 00:12:50,404 without getting it on your hands. 202 00:12:50,444 --> 00:12:52,645 There's no trace of that material on Sheila's swabs. 203 00:12:52,684 --> 00:12:54,084 We know the defence are gonna argue 204 00:12:54,125 --> 00:12:55,965 that she washed herself after the shootings. 205 00:12:56,005 --> 00:12:57,324 Ritual cleansing. 206 00:12:57,365 --> 00:12:59,645 Not uncommon in killings of this type. 207 00:12:59,684 --> 00:13:01,044 We can't disprove that anyway. 208 00:13:01,084 --> 00:13:03,044 Particularly since we don't have the body. 209 00:13:03,084 --> 00:13:05,725 Theres still the silencer. The evidence of human blood in it. 210 00:13:05,765 --> 00:13:08,684 Although we can't conclusively prove it was Sheila's blood. 211 00:13:08,725 --> 00:13:10,885 The defence will say it was contaminated. 212 00:13:12,645 --> 00:13:15,645 The trial will turn on witness testimony. 213 00:13:15,684 --> 00:13:17,245 That's what the jury will remember. 214 00:13:17,284 --> 00:13:18,924 That'll be what gets him over the line. 215 00:13:20,005 --> 00:13:22,684 Jeremy can be very convincing. As you found. 216 00:13:22,725 --> 00:13:25,444 It'll come down to Julie Mugford. 217 00:13:25,485 --> 00:13:27,684 That's what will turn it. 218 00:13:27,725 --> 00:13:30,404 Her word against his. 219 00:13:30,444 --> 00:13:32,845 Well, were three weeks out from trial. 220 00:13:32,885 --> 00:13:34,365 So I do hope you're right. 221 00:13:39,485 --> 00:13:42,284 The magistrate once again denied bail, 222 00:13:42,324 --> 00:13:45,324 citing the grave seriousness of the charges. 223 00:13:45,365 --> 00:13:47,397 Meanwhile, Mr Bambers supporters 224 00:13:47,422 --> 00:13:49,684 continue to protest his innocence. 225 00:13:49,725 --> 00:13:51,605 Jeremy maintains his innocence, 226 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:53,485 and I absolutely believe him. 227 00:13:53,525 --> 00:13:55,725 Which is why I, and many of his friends 228 00:13:55,765 --> 00:13:57,924 will be standing by him through this, 229 00:13:57,965 --> 00:14:00,084 until the truth finally prevails. 230 00:14:00,125 --> 00:14:03,164 It's understood that shortly after speaking to us, 231 00:14:03,204 --> 00:14:06,485 Mr Collins returned to his native New Zealand. 232 00:14:09,485 --> 00:14:11,164 He's here, Jules. 233 00:14:22,164 --> 00:14:24,444 There were so many things he wanted. 234 00:14:25,765 --> 00:14:27,525 He spoke about it all the time. 235 00:14:27,564 --> 00:14:29,164 The car he was going to get. 236 00:14:29,204 --> 00:14:30,965 The clothes. The holidays. 237 00:14:31,005 --> 00:14:33,324 But he didn't have enough money. 238 00:14:36,005 --> 00:14:39,365 So what, that was reason enough to murder his parents? 239 00:14:40,404 --> 00:14:41,525 Mm. 240 00:14:43,885 --> 00:14:45,404 And Sheila? 241 00:14:47,485 --> 00:14:50,485 He had different ideas about how he was gonna do it, but... 242 00:14:53,804 --> 00:14:56,125 this plan was all about Sheila. 243 00:14:57,164 --> 00:15:00,684 Making it look like shed gone mad, she'd done it all herself. 244 00:15:00,725 --> 00:15:02,525 She would take the blame. 245 00:15:06,324 --> 00:15:08,044 And what about my...? 246 00:15:11,125 --> 00:15:12,485 What about my boys? 247 00:15:15,564 --> 00:15:18,284 Jem said youd be better off without them. 248 00:15:23,084 --> 00:15:26,044 That with the boys gone, you could go back to work. 249 00:15:26,084 --> 00:15:28,404 Get your life back on track. Youd be better off. 250 00:15:32,605 --> 00:15:35,005 And he told you this before hed done it? 251 00:15:35,044 --> 00:15:36,804 Parts of it, yeah. 252 00:15:36,845 --> 00:15:39,044 So you knew, and you didn't say anything?! 253 00:15:39,084 --> 00:15:40,645 You didn't tell anyone?! 254 00:15:42,924 --> 00:15:44,365 Im sorry. 255 00:15:48,044 --> 00:15:49,164 I... 256 00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:52,965 But you will now? 257 00:15:53,005 --> 00:15:54,965 You'll tell it now? In court. You'll tell at all? 258 00:15:55,005 --> 00:15:56,164 I promise. 259 00:15:57,924 --> 00:15:59,804 I promise. 260 00:15:59,845 --> 00:16:01,965 I promise. 261 00:16:11,564 --> 00:16:13,365 I just got the call. 262 00:16:13,404 --> 00:16:16,444 - They're not proceeding against her. - What? 263 00:16:16,485 --> 00:16:18,684 The DPP have concluded that Julie Mugford 264 00:16:18,725 --> 00:16:20,845 was morally and criminally corrupted 265 00:16:20,885 --> 00:16:22,684 as a result of her relationship with you. 266 00:16:22,725 --> 00:16:24,404 So they're dropping all the charges. 267 00:16:26,564 --> 00:16:28,525 But the caravan park business. The robbery. 268 00:16:28,564 --> 00:16:29,684 She confessed to that. 269 00:16:29,725 --> 00:16:30,965 At being a lookout 270 00:16:31,005 --> 00:16:34,725 in a burglary involving, what, a few hundred pounds? 271 00:16:34,765 --> 00:16:36,084 Yeah. 272 00:16:36,125 --> 00:16:38,284 Do you think that anyone really cares about that, 273 00:16:38,324 --> 00:16:39,525 compared with five murders? 274 00:16:39,564 --> 00:16:40,645 No, this decision means 275 00:16:40,684 --> 00:16:42,845 that Julie Mugford has even less incentive 276 00:16:42,885 --> 00:16:46,084 to withdraw or even modify her statement against you. 277 00:16:46,125 --> 00:16:48,525 - Except that shes lying. - So you say. 278 00:16:48,564 --> 00:16:50,845 But the jury may yet take a different view. 279 00:16:53,084 --> 00:16:54,765 I need to talk to her. 280 00:16:54,804 --> 00:16:56,365 No, no, that's not possible. 281 00:16:56,404 --> 00:16:58,404 If I can just see her, she's gonna change her mind. 282 00:16:58,444 --> 00:17:01,485 Jeremy, you must see that is completely out of the question. 283 00:17:03,884 --> 00:17:06,324 It doesn't matter. In the end, shell tell the truth. 284 00:17:06,364 --> 00:17:09,205 Miss Mugfords stuck to her story for a good few months now. 285 00:17:09,245 --> 00:17:11,564 Yes, because she's angry that I broke it off with her. 286 00:17:12,725 --> 00:17:14,205 But she won't do this to me. 287 00:17:15,405 --> 00:17:16,965 She loves me. 288 00:18:24,014 --> 00:18:27,494 Mr Caffell, I can't imagine how distressing this must be for you, 289 00:18:27,534 --> 00:18:29,294 so I will attempt to keep it brief. 290 00:18:31,294 --> 00:18:34,694 You were married to Sheila Caffell for two years? 291 00:18:34,734 --> 00:18:36,175 Thats right. 292 00:18:36,214 --> 00:18:38,135 - How would you describe her? - As a mother. 293 00:18:39,335 --> 00:18:41,895 Kind. Attentive. 294 00:18:41,934 --> 00:18:43,494 She lived for our boys. 295 00:18:43,534 --> 00:18:45,895 But she had been mentally ill? 296 00:18:45,934 --> 00:18:48,335 On and off, for some time, yes. 297 00:18:48,375 --> 00:18:50,335 Which was why the boys were staying with me. 298 00:18:50,375 --> 00:18:52,855 To your knowledge, had her illness 299 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,335 ever led her to mistreat the boys? 300 00:18:55,375 --> 00:18:57,855 Never. That's the one thing I'm certain of. 301 00:18:58,815 --> 00:19:00,575 And in her general demeanour, 302 00:19:00,615 --> 00:19:04,175 would you have considered her to be a violent person? 303 00:19:05,734 --> 00:19:07,895 Of course not. No. She was... 304 00:19:07,934 --> 00:19:09,774 She was just so gentle. 305 00:19:11,055 --> 00:19:14,655 She had a hot Latin temper, but only ever towards things. 306 00:19:14,694 --> 00:19:17,335 Inanimate objects. Never people. 307 00:19:19,055 --> 00:19:20,534 Thank you, Mr Caffell. 308 00:19:25,575 --> 00:19:32,655 Mr Caffell, you say Sheila never harmed people. 309 00:19:32,694 --> 00:19:34,095 What about herself? 310 00:19:34,135 --> 00:19:36,415 I'm not sure what you mean. 311 00:19:36,454 --> 00:19:41,974 Well, she had harmed herself, in the past, had she not? 312 00:19:44,135 --> 00:19:45,855 We argued. 313 00:19:45,895 --> 00:19:49,895 Once. After a 21st birthday party. 314 00:19:49,934 --> 00:19:52,135 And she put her hand through a window. 315 00:19:52,175 --> 00:19:56,375 I'd behaved very badly, in a way that provoked her. 316 00:19:56,415 --> 00:19:59,415 I don't think she had the intention to hurt herself. 317 00:19:59,454 --> 00:20:01,454 Mr Caffell... 318 00:20:01,494 --> 00:20:04,734 When you were first told... 319 00:20:04,774 --> 00:20:06,055 of the... 320 00:20:06,095 --> 00:20:07,575 terrible... 321 00:20:07,615 --> 00:20:09,734 news of the deaths... 322 00:20:09,774 --> 00:20:12,615 how did you react? 323 00:20:15,895 --> 00:20:17,335 I was shocked. 324 00:20:18,494 --> 00:20:21,254 But were you surprised? 325 00:20:21,294 --> 00:20:25,694 At the idea that Sheila might have ended her own life. 326 00:20:26,734 --> 00:20:27,815 In fact, 327 00:20:27,855 --> 00:20:29,135 you accepted it. 328 00:20:29,175 --> 00:20:30,855 Quite readily. Did you not? 329 00:20:30,895 --> 00:20:33,254 What I was faced with... 330 00:20:34,815 --> 00:20:38,375 I could hardly even believe it, much less understand it. 331 00:20:40,055 --> 00:20:41,615 I still can't. 332 00:20:44,494 --> 00:20:49,135 So I accepted what I was told by the experts, 333 00:20:49,175 --> 00:20:50,655 and by the police. 334 00:20:50,694 --> 00:20:51,734 By everyone. 335 00:20:53,774 --> 00:20:55,575 What would you have done? 336 00:21:04,534 --> 00:21:06,055 Ready? 337 00:21:07,135 --> 00:21:09,494 I've been having nightmares about seeing him. 338 00:21:09,534 --> 00:21:11,323 And when I wake up, I feel guilty 339 00:21:11,348 --> 00:21:12,534 that I've betrayed him. 340 00:21:12,575 --> 00:21:14,335 Forget them. They're just bloody dreams. 341 00:21:14,375 --> 00:21:16,694 Yeah, but they're gonna come true, though, aren't they? 342 00:21:16,734 --> 00:21:19,095 He will be there in court looking at me. 343 00:21:19,135 --> 00:21:20,615 And you'll look right back at him. 344 00:21:20,655 --> 00:21:23,254 Because you're there telling the truth, and he wont be. 345 00:21:26,494 --> 00:21:27,815 Look... 346 00:21:28,855 --> 00:21:30,254 You made a mistake. 347 00:21:32,095 --> 00:21:33,895 A bloody big one, I'll admit. 348 00:21:35,055 --> 00:21:36,895 So, what are you gonna do now? 349 00:21:39,494 --> 00:21:43,694 You can either give in, let that mistake become who you are... 350 00:21:45,135 --> 00:21:48,014 or you can stand up and show that youre not like him, 351 00:21:48,055 --> 00:21:49,615 you're not like Jeremy. 352 00:21:51,494 --> 00:21:53,494 Which is it gonna be? 353 00:22:15,294 --> 00:22:17,815 - Do you still love Jeremy? - Have you spoken to Jeremy? 354 00:22:17,855 --> 00:22:20,494 Please, step to one side. 355 00:22:20,534 --> 00:22:22,494 Thank you. 356 00:22:24,534 --> 00:22:26,375 Steady, steady. 357 00:22:26,415 --> 00:22:27,815 Can we get through, please? 358 00:22:38,694 --> 00:22:39,934 Miss Mugford? 359 00:22:39,974 --> 00:22:41,774 Sorry. I... 360 00:22:44,454 --> 00:22:47,815 The account of the killings that you initially gave to the police 361 00:22:47,855 --> 00:22:51,694 was based on what Mr Bamber told you that first night? 362 00:22:51,734 --> 00:22:54,974 After the police and everyone else had gone, 363 00:22:55,014 --> 00:22:57,014 we sat in the living room of Jeremy's house, 364 00:22:57,055 --> 00:22:59,615 and he told me the information I've given today. 365 00:22:59,655 --> 00:23:04,175 And the claim he initially made, that he'd hired a mercenary? 366 00:23:04,214 --> 00:23:06,694 In a way, that made things easier. 367 00:23:06,734 --> 00:23:09,214 Thinking at least he hadn't done it with his own hands. 368 00:23:09,254 --> 00:23:10,454 But now... 369 00:23:12,254 --> 00:23:13,575 Miss Mugford. 370 00:23:13,615 --> 00:23:17,294 The biggest question people will be asking is, 371 00:23:17,335 --> 00:23:20,615 what made you wait a month before coming forward with this? 372 00:23:20,655 --> 00:23:23,294 At first, I was in shock. 373 00:23:25,855 --> 00:23:29,254 Then later, Jeremy said that if anything happened to him, 374 00:23:29,294 --> 00:23:31,655 if he was arrested, I would be arrested too. 375 00:23:33,655 --> 00:23:36,254 As a murderer. Because I knew about it. 376 00:23:38,974 --> 00:23:41,375 I know its cowardly, but I was scared. 377 00:23:41,415 --> 00:23:44,254 Thank you, Miss Mugford. 378 00:23:52,135 --> 00:23:55,534 In your initial account... 379 00:23:57,055 --> 00:23:59,014 you told the police 380 00:23:59,055 --> 00:24:03,534 that Nevill had been shot seven times in the head. 381 00:24:03,575 --> 00:24:05,934 Which was not correct. 382 00:24:07,375 --> 00:24:09,254 That's what Jeremy told me. 383 00:24:09,294 --> 00:24:12,934 Interestingly, you're not the only one who got that wrong. 384 00:24:12,974 --> 00:24:17,175 The Mirror describes him being shot seven times in the head. 385 00:24:17,214 --> 00:24:19,615 The Sun. "Seven shots to Nevill Bamber." 386 00:24:19,655 --> 00:24:20,855 I didn't read those papers. 387 00:24:20,895 --> 00:24:23,335 The Star. "Seven shots to the head." 388 00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:25,774 The Express. "Seven shots." 389 00:24:25,815 --> 00:24:27,974 Isn't it the case that your account of the murders 390 00:24:28,014 --> 00:24:30,974 came not from Mr Bamber, but from ordinary newspaper stories? 391 00:24:31,014 --> 00:24:33,175 Everything I told the police is what Jeremy told me. 392 00:24:33,214 --> 00:24:34,895 Everything. 393 00:24:34,934 --> 00:24:36,774 Are you an honest person, Miss Mugford? 394 00:24:36,815 --> 00:24:38,214 Yes, I am. 395 00:24:38,254 --> 00:24:39,534 Completely honest? 396 00:24:41,135 --> 00:24:42,934 What do you mean by completely? 397 00:24:42,974 --> 00:24:45,329 Well, there have been some incidents 398 00:24:45,354 --> 00:24:47,175 in the past, have there not? 399 00:24:47,214 --> 00:24:49,575 A case of cheque fraud, for example. 400 00:24:51,974 --> 00:24:53,055 Yes. 401 00:24:53,095 --> 00:24:55,055 You reported your cheque book stolen, 402 00:24:55,095 --> 00:24:59,294 and then went and spent over £600, defrauding the bank. 403 00:24:59,335 --> 00:25:01,014 Honesty is acknowledging your mistakes 404 00:25:01,055 --> 00:25:03,934 and doing something about them. And that's what I've done. 405 00:25:03,974 --> 00:25:05,734 But while perpetrating that cheque fraud, 406 00:25:05,774 --> 00:25:06,895 you were telling lies, yes? 407 00:25:06,934 --> 00:25:09,534 That's something you're pretty good at, isn't it? Telling lies. 408 00:25:09,575 --> 00:25:12,454 Just because I did that doesn't mean I'm lying about anything else. 409 00:25:12,494 --> 00:25:14,974 If were to believe what you told us earlier this afternoon, 410 00:25:15,014 --> 00:25:16,774 you also told lies after the murder. 411 00:25:16,815 --> 00:25:18,534 You made false statements to the police. 412 00:25:18,575 --> 00:25:20,534 I said no false things. I only omitted things. 413 00:25:20,575 --> 00:25:22,734 But you omitted quite a bit, though, didn't you? 414 00:25:22,774 --> 00:25:24,534 Your knowledge of who killed the Bambers. 415 00:25:24,575 --> 00:25:25,895 Of who killed those children. 416 00:25:25,934 --> 00:25:28,655 You even dined with Colin Caffell, their father, 417 00:25:28,694 --> 00:25:32,335 accepted his hospitality, yet you never said a word! 418 00:25:36,734 --> 00:25:38,615 I'm sorry. 419 00:25:39,934 --> 00:25:42,055 Would you care to sit, Miss Mugford? 420 00:25:49,655 --> 00:25:51,294 Thank you. 421 00:25:57,615 --> 00:26:03,615 Now, you were asked about your initial statements to the police. 422 00:26:09,494 --> 00:26:11,375 I¡ve already explained. 423 00:26:12,855 --> 00:26:15,534 When it first happened, I was confused. 424 00:26:17,175 --> 00:26:20,774 That¡s why I volunteered to identify the bodies. 425 00:26:20,815 --> 00:26:25,815 I wanted to ask Sheila and June for their advice about what to do. 426 00:26:30,014 --> 00:26:31,974 Sorry. You, erm... 427 00:26:32,014 --> 00:26:34,175 You wanted to ask the deceased Sheila Caffell, 428 00:26:34,214 --> 00:26:38,095 and the deceased June Bamber for their advice? 429 00:26:39,254 --> 00:26:41,014 I believe in the spiritual world. 430 00:26:46,055 --> 00:26:47,454 So, erm... 431 00:26:47,494 --> 00:26:49,677 How were you planning to canvas 432 00:26:49,702 --> 00:26:52,494 the opinion of these poor dead souls? 433 00:26:52,534 --> 00:26:54,815 It's a mental thing. 434 00:26:54,855 --> 00:26:58,095 I prayed a lot, but they didn't say anything back. 435 00:26:59,095 --> 00:27:01,774 And having failed to elicit the opinion from the dead, 436 00:27:01,815 --> 00:27:03,934 you remained silent for a month. 437 00:27:03,974 --> 00:27:05,494 I was scared. 438 00:27:05,534 --> 00:27:07,055 Is it OK to be scared? 439 00:27:07,095 --> 00:27:09,615 - Scared for yourself? - For me, and for Jeremy. 440 00:27:09,655 --> 00:27:11,934 Until it became clear that he didn't want you any more. 441 00:27:11,974 --> 00:27:14,175 That he was in fact seeing another woman. 442 00:27:15,734 --> 00:27:17,375 I was hurt. 443 00:27:17,415 --> 00:27:19,415 Not jealous. Hurt. 444 00:27:19,454 --> 00:27:22,494 And then finally, you came forward to the police with this story. 445 00:27:22,534 --> 00:27:24,534 About his involvement in the murders. 446 00:27:24,575 --> 00:27:26,335 - A fabricated story. - It isn't fa... 447 00:27:26,375 --> 00:27:28,294 Fabricated out of jealousy and anger, 448 00:27:28,335 --> 00:27:30,575 because he was leaving you for another woman. 449 00:27:32,335 --> 00:27:34,335 I did ask him not to. 450 00:27:35,375 --> 00:27:37,275 I did. I told him I wouldn't be able 451 00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:38,815 to cope with being on my own. 452 00:27:38,855 --> 00:27:41,095 He said that I would never be on my own. 453 00:27:41,135 --> 00:27:43,135 He said that he was my best friend. 454 00:27:43,175 --> 00:27:46,494 Yet he also made it clear that it was over between you two. 455 00:27:46,534 --> 00:27:49,734 That you would no longer be his girlfriend. 456 00:27:51,575 --> 00:27:54,294 I told Jeremy hed ruined my life. 457 00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,014 Ruined everything. By telling me what hed done. 458 00:27:59,454 --> 00:28:02,534 But he said he was entrusting his life to me. 459 00:28:02,575 --> 00:28:04,734 He said that he was telling me the truth 460 00:28:04,774 --> 00:28:06,415 so that I could lie convincingly. 461 00:28:06,454 --> 00:28:09,294 The best way to lie is to tell the truth. 462 00:28:09,335 --> 00:28:12,934 And so yeah, at first, that's what I did. 463 00:28:12,974 --> 00:28:15,575 I told the police what I thought Jeremy would want me to say. 464 00:28:15,615 --> 00:28:18,534 Even though you believed he'd orchestrated mass murder? 465 00:28:18,575 --> 00:28:20,895 Because I loved him. 466 00:28:24,934 --> 00:28:27,694 I loved him after the killings as before. 467 00:28:28,974 --> 00:28:31,575 I found it difficult to be physically close to him, 468 00:28:31,615 --> 00:28:33,615 but my emotion never changed. 469 00:28:35,774 --> 00:28:38,214 And then in the end, I couldn't cope. 470 00:28:40,014 --> 00:28:42,575 I went to the police nearly a month later. 471 00:28:42,615 --> 00:28:45,615 Because I couldn't cope any more with the knowledge I had. 472 00:28:58,044 --> 00:29:02,484 Weve heard from members of your extended family 473 00:29:02,524 --> 00:29:05,845 that Sheila could never have hurt her children. 474 00:29:05,885 --> 00:29:08,845 Is that a statement youd agree with? 475 00:29:08,885 --> 00:29:10,684 No, it's not. 476 00:29:10,724 --> 00:29:12,484 Why not? 477 00:29:12,524 --> 00:29:13,764 Because I saw her hurt them. 478 00:29:13,805 --> 00:29:17,004 Can you describe the circumstances? 479 00:29:17,044 --> 00:29:20,645 We were in the car. Going visiting. 480 00:29:20,684 --> 00:29:23,444 Myself and my father were in the front seats, 481 00:29:23,484 --> 00:29:25,805 and Sheila and the boys in the back. 482 00:29:27,085 --> 00:29:28,964 As we were driving, erm, 483 00:29:29,004 --> 00:29:33,325 I think Daniel interrupted Dad. Just the way kids will. 484 00:29:34,645 --> 00:29:36,645 Sheila turned and she punched him twice 485 00:29:36,684 --> 00:29:38,125 with a full fist in the face. 486 00:29:39,645 --> 00:29:42,125 Yet you never mentioned it to anyone? 487 00:29:42,165 --> 00:29:45,684 - Your father never mentioned it. - My family was like that. 488 00:29:45,724 --> 00:29:48,365 Everything had to be kept private. Particularly about Sheila. 489 00:29:48,405 --> 00:29:53,405 Yet Miss Mugford has told us that you're lying about all this. 490 00:29:53,444 --> 00:29:55,565 Im not. She is. 491 00:29:56,724 --> 00:29:57,925 I did not kill anyone. 492 00:29:57,964 --> 00:30:01,165 How did you feel when you first became aware 493 00:30:01,204 --> 00:30:03,165 of what she was saying about you? 494 00:30:03,204 --> 00:30:05,004 Horrified. I mean... 495 00:30:06,764 --> 00:30:10,365 I mean, I knew that she was saying horrible things, 496 00:30:10,405 --> 00:30:13,484 and untruths, that were keeping me in the cells in Chelmsford, 497 00:30:13,524 --> 00:30:16,484 but I... I thought she was only doing it cos I'd split up with her, 498 00:30:16,524 --> 00:30:19,044 and I always thought that she'd see sense. 499 00:30:19,085 --> 00:30:21,724 That she'd take it back. But... 500 00:30:21,764 --> 00:30:23,724 Well, she never did. 501 00:30:27,085 --> 00:30:29,085 Thank you, Mr Bamber. 502 00:30:33,845 --> 00:30:36,284 Mr Bamber, you say your sister punched one of her boys. 503 00:30:36,325 --> 00:30:38,645 No-one else ever saw her do anything like that. 504 00:30:38,684 --> 00:30:40,165 They did. 505 00:30:40,204 --> 00:30:42,365 But those people are no longer with us. 506 00:30:42,405 --> 00:30:44,885 Which is convenient for you, isn't it? 507 00:30:44,925 --> 00:30:47,484 I wouldn't call the death of my whole family convenient. 508 00:30:47,524 --> 00:30:48,952 Yet it leaves you in a position that 509 00:30:48,964 --> 00:30:50,365 youre able to say whatever you like 510 00:30:50,405 --> 00:30:52,964 about a great many things without fear of contradiction. 511 00:30:53,004 --> 00:30:55,805 Except, perhaps, from Miss Mugford. 512 00:30:55,845 --> 00:30:58,524 The difference being that Julie isn't telling the truth. 513 00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:00,365 I am. 514 00:31:00,405 --> 00:31:04,724 You claim you left a rifle out, in the scullery, fully loaded, 515 00:31:04,764 --> 00:31:06,204 on the evening of the murders. 516 00:31:06,244 --> 00:31:08,405 Isn't that an incredibly foolish thing to do? 517 00:31:11,325 --> 00:31:12,684 I was upset. 518 00:31:12,724 --> 00:31:15,365 After hearing what my parents were saying to my sister 519 00:31:15,405 --> 00:31:16,684 about fostering out the boys. 520 00:31:16,724 --> 00:31:19,244 Miss Mugford tells us the gun was left out intentionally 521 00:31:19,284 --> 00:31:21,444 - in preparation for murder. - She's lying. 522 00:31:21,484 --> 00:31:26,165 Later that night, you say your father phoned you, at home, 523 00:31:26,204 --> 00:31:29,484 - told you your sister Sheila had... - Where are we? 524 00:31:29,524 --> 00:31:31,325 Ah, yes. 525 00:31:31,365 --> 00:31:33,085 gone berserk. 526 00:31:34,484 --> 00:31:37,645 I can't be sure of his exact words. But yes, roughly that. 527 00:31:37,684 --> 00:31:39,325 As weve heard, 528 00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:40,805 forensic evidence suggests 529 00:31:40,845 --> 00:31:43,805 that he was grievously injured before coming downstairs. 530 00:31:43,845 --> 00:31:46,125 How did he sound to you when he called? 531 00:31:46,165 --> 00:31:48,925 I-I-I don't recall his exact inflection, but, er... 532 00:31:50,165 --> 00:31:52,125 he sounded rushed, I suppose. 533 00:31:52,165 --> 00:31:53,885 Speaking more quickly than normal. 534 00:31:53,925 --> 00:31:54,964 But beyond that, 535 00:31:55,004 --> 00:31:57,165 Id only be surmising if I added to it. 536 00:31:57,204 --> 00:32:00,004 Did he sound, for example, like hed been shot twice in the mouth? 537 00:32:04,004 --> 00:32:05,484 I couldn't... 538 00:32:05,524 --> 00:32:08,125 I couldn't say specifically whether hed been wounded or not. 539 00:32:08,165 --> 00:32:09,484 It was... 540 00:32:11,645 --> 00:32:14,845 I... I recognised his voice, but other than that, I just... 541 00:32:14,885 --> 00:32:16,125 I'm sorry. 542 00:32:16,165 --> 00:32:17,565 I don't know. 543 00:32:20,125 --> 00:32:22,444 You then rang Chelmsford police. 544 00:32:22,484 --> 00:32:24,764 Looked the number up in the phone book. 545 00:32:26,165 --> 00:32:27,165 Yes, that's right. 546 00:32:27,204 --> 00:32:29,444 Didn't think to simply dial 999? 547 00:32:29,484 --> 00:32:33,044 Even though your parents were in mortal danger. 548 00:32:33,085 --> 00:32:36,684 At the time, the local police station seemed a better option. 549 00:32:37,845 --> 00:32:39,044 Can I draw your attention 550 00:32:39,085 --> 00:32:41,484 to the phonebook that you used to make that call? 551 00:32:52,885 --> 00:32:55,044 What do you see there, in bold type, 552 00:32:55,085 --> 00:32:58,085 right underneath the number for Chelmsford police? 553 00:33:00,004 --> 00:33:01,764 Could you read it out? 554 00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:05,524 "In an emergency, dial 999 and ask for the police." 555 00:33:05,565 --> 00:33:08,044 "In an emergency." But you ignored that advice. 556 00:33:08,085 --> 00:33:10,204 I don't really remember seeing this. 557 00:33:10,244 --> 00:33:11,484 When your familys in danger, 558 00:33:11,524 --> 00:33:13,684 you don't tend to make calm, rational decisions. 559 00:33:13,724 --> 00:33:16,244 You say you then rang your girlfriend, Julie Mugford. Why? 560 00:33:16,284 --> 00:33:18,044 Because I needed a sympathetic ear. 561 00:33:18,085 --> 00:33:19,524 Even though time was of the essence? 562 00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:21,845 Even though your sister had allegedly "gone berserk"? 563 00:33:21,885 --> 00:33:23,764 I suppose I was afraid my family would be hurt. 564 00:33:23,805 --> 00:33:25,444 - My parents... - Whom you hated. 565 00:33:25,484 --> 00:33:26,805 I did not. 566 00:33:26,845 --> 00:33:28,845 Yet you told many people that you hated them. 567 00:33:28,885 --> 00:33:31,325 - That you wanted them dead. - I've never said any such thing. 568 00:33:31,365 --> 00:33:33,845 Why would people say it if it wasn't true? 569 00:33:33,885 --> 00:33:36,764 I can't comment on Julies feelings. I wasn't inside her head. 570 00:33:36,805 --> 00:33:39,244 But I suppose she did love me. 571 00:33:39,284 --> 00:33:41,524 And Id been unfaithful. 572 00:33:41,565 --> 00:33:43,565 And she was jealous, angry. 573 00:33:43,605 --> 00:33:46,125 I'll offer you another, simpler explanation. 574 00:33:46,165 --> 00:33:48,805 And thats that youre the one who's lying. 575 00:33:48,845 --> 00:33:50,964 Julies the liar. A dreadful liar. 576 00:33:51,004 --> 00:33:52,284 I'm not a dreadful liar. 577 00:33:52,325 --> 00:33:53,724 This phone call from your father. 578 00:33:53,764 --> 00:33:56,085 His business about accidentally leaving a rifle out. 579 00:33:56,125 --> 00:33:59,325 You're not telling the truth about any of it! 580 00:33:59,365 --> 00:34:00,925 Are you, Mr Bamber?! 581 00:34:00,964 --> 00:34:04,205 Well, that's what youve got to try and establish. 582 00:34:26,765 --> 00:34:29,484 In this case, we can forget fanciful scenarios 583 00:34:29,524 --> 00:34:31,285 involving mysterious intruders, 584 00:34:31,325 --> 00:34:32,765 or unknown assassins. 585 00:34:32,805 --> 00:34:35,205 This is very much a two-horse race. 586 00:34:35,245 --> 00:34:38,004 Sheila Caffell. And her brother, the accused, Jeremy Bamber. 587 00:34:40,845 --> 00:34:44,845 He claims he received a phone call on the night of the murders, 588 00:34:44,885 --> 00:34:46,044 from his father, 589 00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:48,444 who told him his sister, Sheila, was running amok with a gun. 590 00:34:48,484 --> 00:34:51,845 Now, if Nevill Bamber truly made that call... 591 00:34:53,325 --> 00:34:56,524 If the defendant is telling the truth about that... 592 00:34:57,644 --> 00:35:01,004 then we must conclude that Sheila committed the murders. 593 00:35:03,285 --> 00:35:05,685 If, on the other hand, 594 00:35:05,725 --> 00:35:10,524 Jeremy Bamber never received that call... 595 00:35:13,524 --> 00:35:15,205 thats a lie. 596 00:35:15,245 --> 00:35:16,934 And we've heard a great deal of 597 00:35:16,959 --> 00:35:19,028 evidence suggesting that it must be. 598 00:35:23,325 --> 00:35:25,765 Then he is the killer. 599 00:35:27,044 --> 00:35:29,044 Because there's only one reason 600 00:35:29,084 --> 00:35:31,765 why he would lie about something like that. 601 00:35:31,805 --> 00:35:34,604 So, do you believe his account? 602 00:35:34,644 --> 00:35:36,644 With all it's implausibilities. 603 00:35:36,685 --> 00:35:38,685 Or do you prefer to believe Julie Mugford? 604 00:35:38,725 --> 00:35:42,044 A witness who has given us chapter and verse about how and why 605 00:35:42,084 --> 00:35:44,245 the defendant committed this horrible crime. 606 00:35:44,285 --> 00:35:47,004 A witness who has never wavered in her astonishing story, 607 00:35:47,044 --> 00:35:49,285 from the moment she came to police. 608 00:35:51,124 --> 00:35:52,725 Once you consider both stories, 609 00:35:52,765 --> 00:35:57,164 and the evidence that supports, or contradicts them, 610 00:35:57,205 --> 00:35:59,205 there's only one option. 611 00:36:00,444 --> 00:36:03,044 An option which forces itself upon you, 612 00:36:03,084 --> 00:36:05,084 beyond any reasonable doubt. 613 00:36:05,124 --> 00:36:10,644 And that option is to convict Jeremy Bamber. 614 00:36:16,124 --> 00:36:17,405 Mr Rivlin. 615 00:36:17,444 --> 00:36:19,765 This is a case in which there is little lacking 616 00:36:19,805 --> 00:36:21,084 in terms of human drama. 617 00:36:21,124 --> 00:36:24,004 But there is one important thing missing. 618 00:36:24,044 --> 00:36:26,044 And that is proof. 619 00:36:26,084 --> 00:36:29,765 The crime scene was hopelessly mishandled by the police. 620 00:36:29,805 --> 00:36:32,245 The forensic evidence against Mr Bamber 621 00:36:32,285 --> 00:36:35,084 is either ambiguous, or unreliable. 622 00:36:35,124 --> 00:36:37,444 The blood in the silencer found by the family 623 00:36:37,484 --> 00:36:39,508 has not been conclusively proven 624 00:36:39,533 --> 00:36:41,405 to be Sheila Caffells blood. 625 00:36:41,444 --> 00:36:43,564 And instead of proof, 626 00:36:43,604 --> 00:36:47,245 the prosecution has relied on the word of Julie Mugford. 627 00:36:48,405 --> 00:36:50,964 Mr Bambers jilted ex-lover. 628 00:36:52,765 --> 00:36:57,484 She has been free to manipulate us with her weeping, 629 00:36:57,524 --> 00:37:01,004 while Mr Bamber would be accused of crocodile tears if he cried, 630 00:37:01,044 --> 00:37:04,644 or of being cold-blooded if he did not. 631 00:37:05,725 --> 00:37:07,444 With her... 632 00:37:07,484 --> 00:37:11,004 carefully timed droplets of poison... 633 00:37:12,124 --> 00:37:14,685 she has done her best to damage him. 634 00:37:16,765 --> 00:37:18,084 But in the end... 635 00:37:19,604 --> 00:37:21,604 there was nothing in her account 636 00:37:21,644 --> 00:37:24,644 that hadn't already been published in the press. 637 00:37:27,004 --> 00:37:28,885 No-one will ever really know what happened 638 00:37:28,925 --> 00:37:30,925 on that terrible night at White House Farm. 639 00:37:33,245 --> 00:37:36,124 There is much that simply doesnt add up. 640 00:37:36,164 --> 00:37:39,004 And when the facts dont add up... 641 00:37:40,124 --> 00:37:42,004 there must be room for doubt. 642 00:37:43,205 --> 00:37:46,925 Given that doubt, that very reasonable doubt, 643 00:37:46,964 --> 00:37:51,285 its your duty to acquit. 644 00:39:02,739 --> 00:39:04,219 Hello? 645 00:39:07,219 --> 00:39:08,780 Detective Sergeant. 646 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:10,659 Apologies for the intrusion. 647 00:39:10,699 --> 00:39:13,059 They say criminals return to the scene. 648 00:39:13,099 --> 00:39:15,019 Sometimes us coppers do too. 649 00:39:15,059 --> 00:39:17,059 You're welcome here any time. 650 00:39:17,099 --> 00:39:19,739 I thought youd be at home right now, sitting by the phone. 651 00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:22,699 I always clean the place up on a Thursday afternoon. 652 00:39:22,739 --> 00:39:24,980 I saw no reason to do any different. 653 00:39:27,179 --> 00:39:28,380 So? 654 00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:30,820 The jury couldn't decide. 655 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,019 Judge sent them back out. 656 00:39:33,059 --> 00:39:35,260 Said they'd accept a majority decision. 657 00:39:37,099 --> 00:39:38,739 That can't be a good sign. 658 00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:40,900 I expect not. 659 00:39:43,739 --> 00:39:45,340 However this turns out, 660 00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:47,619 I want you to know I appreciate what you did. 661 00:39:47,659 --> 00:39:49,619 It's nothing. 662 00:39:49,659 --> 00:39:51,219 It's just my job. 663 00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:18,019 What do you think? 664 00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:22,739 I think juries can be unpredictable. 665 00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:24,940 Some of the Fleet Street boys are making book. 666 00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:27,179 What are they offering? 667 00:40:27,219 --> 00:40:28,940 Four to one against a conviction. 668 00:40:30,659 --> 00:40:33,619 Should have told me that sooner. I'd have had a bit of that. 669 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:58,460 Mr Foreman, please, stand. 670 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,420 Will the defendant, please, stand? 671 00:41:03,260 --> 00:41:07,739 To the question I'm about to ask, please answer yes or no. 672 00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:11,179 Have the jury reached a verdict in respect of each count 673 00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:13,900 on which at least ten of you are agreed? 674 00:41:13,940 --> 00:41:15,300 Yes. 675 00:41:18,619 --> 00:41:21,139 Do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 676 00:41:21,179 --> 00:41:23,019 of the murder of Nevill Bamber? 677 00:41:23,059 --> 00:41:25,179 Guilty. 678 00:41:25,219 --> 00:41:26,780 On the second count, 679 00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:28,820 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 680 00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:31,139 of the murder of June Bamber? 681 00:41:31,179 --> 00:41:32,980 Guilty. 682 00:41:33,019 --> 00:41:34,179 No, no, no. 683 00:41:34,219 --> 00:41:35,699 On the third count, 684 00:41:35,739 --> 00:41:37,659 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 685 00:41:37,699 --> 00:41:39,699 of the murder of Sheila Caffell? 686 00:41:39,739 --> 00:41:41,260 Guilty. 687 00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:44,420 On the fourth count, 688 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:46,860 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 689 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:49,059 of the murder of Nicholas Caffell? 690 00:41:49,099 --> 00:41:50,619 Guilty. 691 00:41:50,659 --> 00:41:52,179 On the fifth count, 692 00:41:52,219 --> 00:41:54,699 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty 693 00:41:54,739 --> 00:41:56,579 of the murder of Daniel Caffell? 694 00:41:56,619 --> 00:41:58,019 Guilty. 695 00:41:58,059 --> 00:42:00,420 Thank you, Mr Foreman. 696 00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:20,099 Stand still. 697 00:42:22,059 --> 00:42:24,059 Turn to your right. 698 00:42:26,019 --> 00:42:27,420 Take off your tie. 699 00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:38,460 Shoes. 700 00:42:45,699 --> 00:42:47,579 Turn and face the cell. 701 00:42:50,539 --> 00:42:51,539 Walk in. 702 00:43:25,340 --> 00:43:27,460 Did you hear the news? 703 00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:29,780 I did, yeah. 704 00:43:31,099 --> 00:43:32,780 Oh. You've got guests? 705 00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:34,940 No. Erm... 706 00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:37,099 They're reporters. 707 00:43:37,139 --> 00:43:39,579 News Of The World. 708 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:44,219 How much are you getting? 709 00:43:46,019 --> 00:43:47,900 Enough to get me started again. 710 00:43:47,940 --> 00:43:49,500 How much? 711 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:53,019 £25,000. 712 00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:58,019 Isn't that fair enough, after what Ive been through? 713 00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:06,579 Good luck with it, then. 714 00:45:43,699 --> 00:45:46,139 There have been times over the past months 715 00:45:46,179 --> 00:45:48,579 when I thought I'd been condemned myself. 716 00:45:49,699 --> 00:45:51,619 To a life of hatred. 717 00:45:51,659 --> 00:45:53,872 And I knew that hating like that, 718 00:45:53,897 --> 00:45:55,524 in the end, itd kill me. 719 00:45:57,659 --> 00:45:59,780 But now, with this result, 720 00:45:59,820 --> 00:46:01,980 I do feel, maybe, 721 00:46:02,019 --> 00:46:04,260 I'm at a new beginning. 722 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,139 Not because Jeremy has been found guilty. 723 00:46:07,179 --> 00:46:09,380 I can't take any pleasure in that. 724 00:46:11,219 --> 00:46:13,340 But because the truths been spoken. 725 00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:16,420 And Sheila's names been cleared. 726 00:46:19,579 --> 00:46:22,179 Now, I'm still trying to understand this. 727 00:46:24,179 --> 00:46:26,179 To understand why this happened. 728 00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:30,539 But at least I know Sheila will now be remembered 729 00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:34,179 as the wonderful woman she was. 730 00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:39,619 And the mother of my wonderful boys. 731 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000 _ 732 00:47:12,024 --> 00:47:14,200 _ 733 00:47:14,224 --> 00:47:16,424 _ 734 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,000 _ 735 00:47:24,524 --> 00:47:26,524 _ 736 00:47:26,548 --> 00:47:28,848 _ 737 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,000 _ 738 00:47:35,024 --> 00:47:37,024 _ 739 00:47:37,048 --> 00:47:40,148 _ 740 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000 _ 741 00:47:46,324 --> 00:47:48,324 _ 742 00:47:48,348 --> 00:47:50,348 _ 743 00:47:50,372 --> 00:47:52,972 _ 744 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,000 *CREDITS*