1 00:00:01,484 --> 00:00:04,819 The first hour of "Crisis On Infinite Earths" is in the books 2 00:00:04,820 --> 00:00:06,468 and there is a lot to talk about, 3 00:00:06,469 --> 00:00:09,457 from killer crossovers to unexpected partnerships 4 00:00:09,458 --> 00:00:11,125 to the death of Green Arrow 5 00:00:11,126 --> 00:00:13,127 to the birth of a new Green Arrow, man. 6 00:00:13,128 --> 00:00:15,597 The highs, the lows, and everything in between, 7 00:00:15,598 --> 00:00:19,299 all that and more right now on "Crisis Aftermath". 8 00:00:22,325 --> 00:00:25,325 - Synced and corrected by Firefly - - www.subtitulamos.tv - 9 00:00:27,030 --> 00:00:28,631 Welcome to "Crisis Aftermath". 10 00:00:28,632 --> 00:00:30,066 I'm your host Kevin Smith. 11 00:00:30,067 --> 00:00:31,167 Boy, oh, boy, man. 12 00:00:31,168 --> 00:00:32,868 We knew that this year's crossover event 13 00:00:32,869 --> 00:00:34,170 was gonna be something special, 14 00:00:34,171 --> 00:00:36,306 but this is beyond bonkers, man. 15 00:00:36,307 --> 00:00:38,341 Here to help me figure it all out 16 00:00:38,342 --> 00:00:40,766 are executive producer Marc Guggenheim, 17 00:00:40,767 --> 00:00:43,792 writer, comedian, and DC nerd Dani Fernandez, 18 00:00:43,793 --> 00:00:46,029 and "Arrow" star Kat McNamara. 19 00:00:46,030 --> 00:00:48,364 Thanks so much for joining us, everybody. 20 00:00:48,365 --> 00:00:50,333 I just wanna ask right off the bat, 21 00:00:50,334 --> 00:00:52,134 and you don't count 'cause you wrote this. 22 00:00:52,135 --> 00:00:54,994 What were your favorite moments so far? 23 00:00:54,995 --> 00:00:56,652 Oh, goodness, there are so many. 24 00:00:56,653 --> 00:01:00,710 I mean, mine was when Mia got her... her suit. 25 00:01:00,711 --> 00:01:03,379 I mean, it was so precious. It was such a precious moment. 26 00:01:03,380 --> 00:01:04,770 - I said... - You're not just saying it 27 00:01:04,771 --> 00:01:06,839 - 'cause she's sitting there. It was a legit good moment. - No, no. 28 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,885 I say it because I talk a lot about father/daughter moments in therapy. 29 00:01:09,886 --> 00:01:12,455 And so I said it like, you know, 30 00:01:12,456 --> 00:01:14,924 this is a safe place in front of millions of people. 31 00:01:14,925 --> 00:01:17,051 - So I don't mind openly weeping. - For sure. 32 00:01:17,052 --> 00:01:19,443 I mean, that was one of my favorite moments to shoot, definitely. 33 00:01:19,444 --> 00:01:21,963 Just because Stephen and I have spent most of the season together. 34 00:01:21,964 --> 00:01:23,699 - Right. - And getting to watch him work 35 00:01:23,700 --> 00:01:27,135 and being a part of the story, this being my first crossover, 36 00:01:27,136 --> 00:01:29,738 that was such a big moment, I think, for both characters, 37 00:01:29,739 --> 00:01:32,157 - and we really felt that. - Do you watch him? 38 00:01:32,158 --> 00:01:34,175 How does one play the daughter of somebody 39 00:01:34,176 --> 00:01:36,044 who's been playing a guy for, like, many seasons? 40 00:01:36,045 --> 00:01:37,602 Do you actually go back, watch episodes, 41 00:01:37,603 --> 00:01:39,581 and be like, "I can steal that. I can steal that". 42 00:01:39,582 --> 00:01:41,817 That's exactly what I did. When I first auditioned, 43 00:01:41,818 --> 00:01:44,707 I didn't know that I was auditioning for his daughter. 44 00:01:44,708 --> 00:01:47,766 And once I found that out, I went back and watched the entire series 45 00:01:47,767 --> 00:01:50,016 because not only is he such an iconic character, 46 00:01:50,017 --> 00:01:52,352 - but Felicity Smoak is another iconic character. - Totally. 47 00:01:52,353 --> 00:01:55,388 And Mia is sort of the perfect amalgamation of them both. 48 00:01:55,389 --> 00:01:57,557 And I tried to steal as many little nuances 49 00:01:57,558 --> 00:01:59,226 and character quirks as I could 50 00:01:59,227 --> 00:02:01,761 to really make her her own person. 51 00:02:01,762 --> 00:02:03,406 You nailed it. Let me ask you this, Marc. 52 00:02:03,407 --> 00:02:05,588 You are the architect of all this madness, 53 00:02:05,589 --> 00:02:07,434 so you definitely have a favorite moment. 54 00:02:07,435 --> 00:02:10,637 I would say in Hour One 55 00:02:10,638 --> 00:02:14,017 when Lois and Kal-El place baby Jonathan in the rocket ship. 56 00:02:14,018 --> 00:02:16,082 And I remember, we were in the writers' room... 57 00:02:16,083 --> 00:02:18,177 we assemble a writers' room for the crossover, 58 00:02:18,178 --> 00:02:19,679 and we were in the writers' room, 59 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,248 and I forget who pitched it. It wasn't me. 60 00:02:22,249 --> 00:02:24,350 I wish I could take credit for it, but I love it. 61 00:02:24,351 --> 00:02:25,442 I love it for two reasons. 62 00:02:25,443 --> 00:02:29,355 Number one, it's homaging, obviously, Alexander Luthor 63 00:02:29,356 --> 00:02:32,358 being launched, you know, in a rocket ship. 64 00:02:32,359 --> 00:02:34,360 Baby Alexander Luthor being launched in a rocket ship 65 00:02:34,361 --> 00:02:36,151 - in the first Crisis. - From "Crisis". From the book. 66 00:02:36,152 --> 00:02:37,997 But also, 67 00:02:37,998 --> 00:02:41,100 Kal-El and Lois are speaking Marlon Brando's dialogue 68 00:02:41,101 --> 00:02:42,325 From "Superman: The Movie". 69 00:02:42,326 --> 00:02:44,260 How fun was that? To be able to... 70 00:02:44,261 --> 00:02:47,106 and was that the marching orders in the writers' room? 71 00:02:47,107 --> 00:02:49,976 Like, homage or as other people say "steal", 72 00:02:49,977 --> 00:02:52,579 - Yes. - as much from other sources as possible. 73 00:02:52,580 --> 00:02:54,639 You know, it's funny. What was so great was 74 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,598 no one ever had to be told it. 75 00:02:56,599 --> 00:02:58,584 We all just instinctively were like, 76 00:02:58,585 --> 00:03:00,286 "Okay, we're gonna steal this and we're gonna steal this. 77 00:03:00,287 --> 00:03:01,487 And we're gonna homage that 78 00:03:01,488 --> 00:03:03,054 and we're gonna tip our hats to this". 79 00:03:03,055 --> 00:03:05,624 And it was just something we all... 80 00:03:05,625 --> 00:03:08,193 we've been doing it, honestly, ever since year one of "Arrow". 81 00:03:08,194 --> 00:03:10,413 - Yeah. - It's always been part of 82 00:03:10,414 --> 00:03:11,904 the DNA of all these shows. 83 00:03:11,905 --> 00:03:14,900 But, yeah, I mean, because this is Crisis and because it's the... 84 00:03:14,901 --> 00:03:16,977 you know, one of the biggest DC events ever, 85 00:03:16,978 --> 00:03:19,716 we felt an obligation to really like go for it. 86 00:03:19,717 --> 00:03:23,508 All Arrowverse shows have always been about incredible fan service, 87 00:03:23,509 --> 00:03:26,477 but this especially feels like, "They're gonna love this". 88 00:03:26,478 --> 00:03:30,448 So we're all still reeling from an incredible hour of television. 89 00:03:30,449 --> 00:03:32,350 But that hour was months and years, 90 00:03:32,351 --> 00:03:34,452 and actually decades in the making, man. 91 00:03:34,453 --> 00:03:35,653 Check it out. 92 00:03:35,654 --> 00:03:38,255 - Cut. - So a day in the life 93 00:03:38,256 --> 00:03:41,526 of shooting this crossover is absolutely staggering. 94 00:03:41,527 --> 00:03:43,361 In terms of the amount of cast that's coming in 95 00:03:43,362 --> 00:03:44,862 and people from other shows, 96 00:03:44,863 --> 00:03:46,931 there's so much logistically that goes into it, 97 00:03:46,932 --> 00:03:49,667 and everybody just has to be on it. 98 00:03:49,668 --> 00:03:51,669 This Crisis is such a big deal. 99 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:53,838 So many actors, so many lines, so many characters, 100 00:03:53,839 --> 00:03:55,105 so many moving pieces. 101 00:03:55,106 --> 00:03:57,041 You get picked up so early in the morning 102 00:03:57,042 --> 00:03:58,542 and you have to go through hair and makeup, 103 00:03:58,543 --> 00:04:00,377 and then we start acting. And then, you know, 104 00:04:00,378 --> 00:04:03,314 halfway through a day, you get driven to a different show. 105 00:04:03,315 --> 00:04:05,626 - Action! - Everyone works very differently. 106 00:04:05,627 --> 00:04:07,745 Every production has its own kind of culture 107 00:04:07,746 --> 00:04:09,386 and way of working. 108 00:04:09,387 --> 00:04:11,755 And when you work with actors from a different production, 109 00:04:11,756 --> 00:04:14,791 you get to see ways, you know, that they may do things better 110 00:04:14,792 --> 00:04:16,316 or that we may do things better. 111 00:04:16,317 --> 00:04:17,962 And so it's a great learning experience. 112 00:04:17,963 --> 00:04:19,796 Cut! Awesome. 113 00:04:19,797 --> 00:04:21,265 Come on, man. 114 00:04:21,266 --> 00:04:23,657 Like, just seeing that many people walking around in costume... 115 00:04:23,658 --> 00:04:25,169 when I was a kid, you dreamed about that. 116 00:04:25,170 --> 00:04:26,904 Like, we had Batman and Robin growing up 117 00:04:26,905 --> 00:04:28,538 with the great Burt Ward and Adam West. 118 00:04:28,539 --> 00:04:31,813 And when you saw those two in their outfits, it made you excited. 119 00:04:31,814 --> 00:04:33,109 You dreamed about it. 120 00:04:33,110 --> 00:04:35,611 I remember there was a "TV Guide" cover from 1989 121 00:04:35,612 --> 00:04:37,881 - when the John Wesley Shipp "Flash" was on... - Yeah. 122 00:04:37,882 --> 00:04:39,515 ... that showed a picture of him in the outfit 123 00:04:39,516 --> 00:04:41,351 next to a picture of Michael Keaton 124 00:04:41,352 --> 00:04:43,019 in the Batman outfit from movies 125 00:04:43,020 --> 00:04:45,054 next to Christopher Reeve wearing the Superman suit. 126 00:04:45,055 --> 00:04:47,375 And you dreamed, like, will there ever be a day 127 00:04:47,376 --> 00:04:48,524 where you can see something like this? 128 00:04:48,525 --> 00:04:51,094 And we're literally seeing it here unfold in front of us. 129 00:04:51,095 --> 00:04:55,198 It's insanity. I mean, the ten-year-old me still can't believe it. 130 00:04:55,199 --> 00:05:00,022 I mean, the fact that anyone has done this, much less us... 131 00:05:00,023 --> 00:05:02,381 the fact that anyone's done this is so exciting to me. 132 00:05:02,382 --> 00:05:05,724 It scratches every itch as a fanboy I have. 133 00:05:05,725 --> 00:05:06,853 And that's the thing, like, 134 00:05:06,854 --> 00:05:08,711 you were talking about, like, you know, the fan service. 135 00:05:08,712 --> 00:05:12,648 The reason these shows are so fan service oriented is we're fans. 136 00:05:12,649 --> 00:05:14,823 We approach it as fans. 137 00:05:14,824 --> 00:05:16,552 So even, yes, of course, 138 00:05:16,553 --> 00:05:18,043 in the writers' room we're talking about, like, 139 00:05:18,044 --> 00:05:19,889 "Oh, this is gonna make them stand up and applaud". 140 00:05:19,890 --> 00:05:21,557 But before we get there, 141 00:05:21,558 --> 00:05:23,025 we're standing up and applauding ourselves. 142 00:05:23,026 --> 00:05:24,493 - Right. - "Oh, my God, this is gonna be so awesome". 143 00:05:24,494 --> 00:05:25,861 You must be sitting there going, 144 00:05:25,862 --> 00:05:28,096 "Oh, we're so clever!" 145 00:05:28,097 --> 00:05:29,498 I did have a question, though, 146 00:05:29,499 --> 00:05:32,334 because Burt Ward and Robert Wuhl are in this. 147 00:05:32,335 --> 00:05:35,299 Does that mean that their movies and shows 148 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:38,084 - are canonically a part of this universe? - Yeah. 149 00:05:38,085 --> 00:05:39,373 That's the whole point. 150 00:05:39,374 --> 00:05:42,176 Like, and they're now canonically destroyed. 151 00:05:42,177 --> 00:05:43,445 - But... - Yeah. 152 00:05:43,446 --> 00:05:45,814 We had 'em for a second, and then gone. 153 00:05:45,815 --> 00:05:48,215 So the Bat nipples existed in this universe. 154 00:05:48,216 --> 00:05:49,440 - Yes. - Yes. 155 00:05:49,441 --> 00:05:51,032 The Bat nipples are Arrowverse canon. 156 00:05:51,033 --> 00:05:54,327 And it was CW. We always knew nipples were involved somewhere. 157 00:05:54,328 --> 00:05:55,957 So, absolutely, man. 158 00:05:55,958 --> 00:05:58,326 Let's talk about the elephant in the room, though. 159 00:05:58,327 --> 00:06:00,394 - The death of Arrow. - Yes. 160 00:06:00,395 --> 00:06:01,628 Let's take a look. 161 00:06:07,870 --> 00:06:10,636 It's okay, Sara. 162 00:06:12,267 --> 00:06:14,368 This is my destiny. 163 00:06:14,369 --> 00:06:16,637 - Oliver. - Barry? 164 00:06:16,638 --> 00:06:20,084 You, my friend, 165 00:06:20,085 --> 00:06:23,910 are the very best of us. 166 00:06:23,911 --> 00:06:27,137 I gave it all up 167 00:06:27,138 --> 00:06:28,761 for you and Kara. 168 00:06:28,762 --> 00:06:30,769 Mm. 169 00:06:30,770 --> 00:06:32,718 - Whew! - What was going through your head, man, 170 00:06:32,719 --> 00:06:34,911 when you're sitting there watching that scene, 171 00:06:34,912 --> 00:06:36,423 when you're watching history happen? 172 00:06:36,424 --> 00:06:39,359 Indeed, that was a historic moment in many ways 173 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,328 for me, personally. It was my first day on set 174 00:06:41,329 --> 00:06:42,929 with everyone in the suits. 175 00:06:42,930 --> 00:06:45,464 It was my first day wearing my suit on set. 176 00:06:45,465 --> 00:06:46,933 So I was so excited. 177 00:06:46,934 --> 00:06:48,767 We were just talking about how, you know, 178 00:06:48,768 --> 00:06:51,004 much we all are fans of this and how exciting that is. 179 00:06:51,005 --> 00:06:52,899 So I was over the moon excited. 180 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:54,286 Then I get to set and I realize, 181 00:06:54,287 --> 00:06:57,052 "Oh, now I have to cry over my dying father". 182 00:06:57,053 --> 00:07:00,000 Okay, let me reframe my entire headspace. 183 00:07:00,001 --> 00:07:02,657 - But it was... - It's weird, 'cause it's not an outfit 184 00:07:02,658 --> 00:07:05,260 that's conducive to crying over a dead father. 185 00:07:05,261 --> 00:07:06,827 - No. - Because it makes you feel action orientated 186 00:07:06,828 --> 00:07:08,463 - and wanna play. - Right, you're ready to go. 187 00:07:08,464 --> 00:07:09,636 And all of a sudden, they're like, "Cry. 188 00:07:09,637 --> 00:07:11,266 - Be dramatic". - Exactly. Also I have the... 189 00:07:11,267 --> 00:07:12,833 you know, the Stephen Amell special boots 190 00:07:12,834 --> 00:07:14,969 that are actually Nike sneakers in... 191 00:07:14,970 --> 00:07:17,038 - sneakers inside the... - Inside of the boot. 192 00:07:17,039 --> 00:07:18,706 - the superhero boots. - That's the trick. 193 00:07:18,707 --> 00:07:20,808 - So you feel like bouncing around anyway. - Right, right. 194 00:07:20,809 --> 00:07:23,578 But it was so wonderful, and Stephen killed it. 195 00:07:23,579 --> 00:07:25,345 And everybody really came together, 196 00:07:25,346 --> 00:07:29,050 because, you know, Stephen in a sense was the beginning 197 00:07:29,051 --> 00:07:30,651 of this entire universe. 198 00:07:30,652 --> 00:07:32,687 He's the spine. If you were gonna make an analogy 199 00:07:32,688 --> 00:07:33,970 to another cinematic universe 200 00:07:33,971 --> 00:07:35,157 - or something like that... - Yes. 201 00:07:35,158 --> 00:07:37,124 he's the Robert Downey, Jr. of this universe. 202 00:07:37,125 --> 00:07:39,151 - Exactly. Exactly. - Very strong spine upon which 203 00:07:39,152 --> 00:07:40,805 all those other shows sprang. 204 00:07:40,806 --> 00:07:41,963 Right, and what's so great 205 00:07:41,964 --> 00:07:44,632 about that is everybody really came together to honor him 206 00:07:44,633 --> 00:07:48,168 and the work he's done to build everything else in that moment. 207 00:07:48,169 --> 00:07:49,837 And Stephen absolutely killed it, 208 00:07:49,838 --> 00:07:51,731 so we were all a mess. 209 00:07:51,732 --> 00:07:55,374 Marc, you've been there with "Arrow" since day one. 210 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:58,912 It's unfair to say did you always know you were gonna kill him? 211 00:07:58,913 --> 00:08:02,782 But was there always an idea that when he goes, he goes? 212 00:08:02,783 --> 00:08:05,485 Yeah, I think, you know... it's funny. 213 00:08:05,486 --> 00:08:07,153 Stephen Amell and I have talked about this 214 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:08,554 numerous times over the years. 215 00:08:08,555 --> 00:08:11,324 And we were always of the same opinion, 216 00:08:11,325 --> 00:08:14,327 which is Oliver's journey has to end with his death. 217 00:08:14,328 --> 00:08:18,131 So, it was always... that was always where we were headed. 218 00:08:18,132 --> 00:08:20,533 I think, you know, the type of guy Oliver was 219 00:08:20,534 --> 00:08:24,303 before he marooned on Lian Yu, like, he was a jerk. 220 00:08:24,304 --> 00:08:27,212 And I've always sort of seen "Arrow" as a redemption story. 221 00:08:27,213 --> 00:08:29,675 And, you know, this is... 222 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:32,811 he makes the ultimate sacrifice for the ultimate redemption. 223 00:08:32,812 --> 00:08:34,779 The challenge that we sort of had 224 00:08:34,780 --> 00:08:36,516 as we were figuring out the crossover was, 225 00:08:36,517 --> 00:08:38,384 basically a year ago with Elseworlds, 226 00:08:38,385 --> 00:08:41,521 we basically said to the audience, "Oliver's gonna die". 227 00:08:41,522 --> 00:08:44,524 - Yeah. - So you may not be surprised he's dying, 228 00:08:44,525 --> 00:08:46,192 but you're certainly surprised he's dying this fast. 229 00:08:46,193 --> 00:08:48,093 Yeah, you're like, "What? Now?" Heavens. 230 00:08:48,094 --> 00:08:49,428 - End of Hour One? - Yeah. 231 00:08:49,429 --> 00:08:50,663 You're crazy! 232 00:08:50,664 --> 00:08:53,065 - There's four more hours to go. - That handoff to Mia 233 00:08:53,066 --> 00:08:54,602 was a really special moment, 234 00:08:54,603 --> 00:08:56,169 where you get presented the suit. 235 00:08:56,170 --> 00:08:58,103 And that's everything in this world, man. 236 00:08:58,104 --> 00:09:00,072 The hero passing on the mantle 237 00:09:00,073 --> 00:09:01,573 to somebody else, or giving them 238 00:09:01,574 --> 00:09:03,542 their true identity? That's everything. 239 00:09:03,543 --> 00:09:05,543 Let's take a look at that scene right now. 240 00:09:06,812 --> 00:09:08,046 You wanted to see me? 241 00:09:08,047 --> 00:09:09,914 I did. 242 00:09:09,915 --> 00:09:11,114 I have something for you. 243 00:09:12,751 --> 00:09:14,653 What is it? 244 00:09:14,654 --> 00:09:16,020 Only one way to find out. 245 00:09:19,692 --> 00:09:23,328 Okay, please tell me you were planning on wearing this. 246 00:09:23,329 --> 00:09:27,030 I don't think that that one would fit me. 247 00:09:28,501 --> 00:09:30,669 There should always be at least one Green Arrow. 248 00:09:30,670 --> 00:09:32,470 Come on, man! 249 00:09:32,471 --> 00:09:34,405 You don't even have to have a daughter 250 00:09:34,406 --> 00:09:36,961 in real life to find that incredibly moving. 251 00:09:36,962 --> 00:09:39,066 These shows have always been about family. 252 00:09:39,067 --> 00:09:41,545 Either the family you come from or the family that you make. 253 00:09:41,546 --> 00:09:44,849 What do you think, man? 254 00:09:44,850 --> 00:09:47,107 Does Mia want this responsibility? 255 00:09:47,108 --> 00:09:49,904 You know, that's been the toughest kind of struggle 256 00:09:49,905 --> 00:09:52,590 for Mia throughout her entire process of being involved in this. 257 00:09:52,591 --> 00:09:53,991 You know, she was raised in a world 258 00:09:53,992 --> 00:09:56,188 - in which vigilantes were villainized. - Mm. 259 00:09:56,189 --> 00:09:59,120 And she's come full circle with that, having met her father 260 00:09:59,121 --> 00:10:02,934 and kind of gotten a look into the difficult choices he's had to make. 261 00:10:02,935 --> 00:10:05,302 But now she's been through 262 00:10:05,303 --> 00:10:06,871 and worked through all of these issues 263 00:10:06,872 --> 00:10:09,206 and has a wonderful relationship with her father. 264 00:10:09,207 --> 00:10:10,907 She doesn't want the responsibility 265 00:10:10,908 --> 00:10:12,109 because she doesn't want to lose him. 266 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:13,820 - Right. - She knows she can take it on. 267 00:10:13,821 --> 00:10:15,379 She knows she's ready for it. 268 00:10:15,380 --> 00:10:16,714 But she's finally filled 269 00:10:16,715 --> 00:10:19,383 the one missing piece of her life 270 00:10:19,384 --> 00:10:20,951 and doesn't want to lose that. 271 00:10:20,952 --> 00:10:23,153 And that's kind of the tragedy is that, 272 00:10:23,154 --> 00:10:25,889 yes, there always needs to be one Green Arrow, 273 00:10:25,890 --> 00:10:27,691 but there's only one Green Arrow. 274 00:10:27,692 --> 00:10:29,693 So she knows that that's coming to an end, and that's... 275 00:10:29,694 --> 00:10:32,396 it's difficult, you know? But also it's... 276 00:10:32,397 --> 00:10:36,900 Stephen has been so instrumental into passing the torch 277 00:10:36,901 --> 00:10:38,902 both on and off-screen in a sense, 278 00:10:38,903 --> 00:10:41,238 and so that scene meant so much to both of us. 279 00:10:41,239 --> 00:10:43,530 I think we were both a little emotional in that moment. 280 00:10:43,531 --> 00:10:46,409 Did you have to learn how to shoot fake arrows? 281 00:10:46,410 --> 00:10:48,078 I did. I did. I mean, I... you know, 282 00:10:48,079 --> 00:10:50,180 I did archery in Girl Scout camp when I was a kid, but... 283 00:10:50,181 --> 00:10:51,205 Don't brag, man. 284 00:10:51,206 --> 00:10:53,683 - I'm saying, like, a day or two. - Fair enough. 285 00:10:53,684 --> 00:10:55,585 It's nothing like this. But we have an amazing 286 00:10:55,586 --> 00:10:58,288 archery coach on the show who's a master archer, 287 00:10:58,289 --> 00:11:00,257 and she's the one who trained Stephen. 288 00:11:00,258 --> 00:11:01,858 So as soon as I was on the show they said, 289 00:11:01,859 --> 00:11:03,426 "All right, you have to learn this, too, 290 00:11:03,427 --> 00:11:05,228 'cause eventually you're gonna get there". 291 00:11:05,229 --> 00:11:06,529 So, I went and trained with her 292 00:11:06,530 --> 00:11:08,364 and she is the ultimate badass. 293 00:11:08,365 --> 00:11:10,867 I tell you, she taught me everything I needed to know. 294 00:11:10,868 --> 00:11:12,402 And there are a few scenes, though, 295 00:11:12,403 --> 00:11:15,095 where Oliver and Mia do a little bit of training, 296 00:11:15,096 --> 00:11:17,306 and that's actually coming up very shortly. 297 00:11:17,307 --> 00:11:19,275 - We get to see that. - You do get to see that. 298 00:11:19,276 --> 00:11:20,709 It's such a wonderful moment 299 00:11:20,710 --> 00:11:22,411 that really bonds the two of them. 300 00:11:22,412 --> 00:11:24,546 Because Mia initially was trained by Nyssa al Ghul, 301 00:11:24,547 --> 00:11:26,515 who also kind of trained Oliver in a way, 302 00:11:26,516 --> 00:11:28,583 and it's a full circle. 303 00:11:28,584 --> 00:11:30,853 I remember the end of season two, 304 00:11:30,854 --> 00:11:34,123 Katrina Law, we're in the big tunnel fight. 305 00:11:34,124 --> 00:11:36,391 Nyssa al Ghul was firing arrows like this. 306 00:11:36,392 --> 00:11:38,705 And I'm like, "Katrina, you're killing me. 307 00:11:38,706 --> 00:11:41,396 Seriously, every time you do that 308 00:11:41,397 --> 00:11:43,232 you're spending thousands of dollars. 309 00:11:43,233 --> 00:11:44,900 Just a little slower. 310 00:11:44,901 --> 00:11:46,668 Just a little bit. Help me out". 311 00:11:46,669 --> 00:11:48,093 - You know. - Well, that's funny, 312 00:11:48,094 --> 00:11:50,706 because when I was on "Supergirl", it was very different. 313 00:11:50,707 --> 00:11:52,841 They said, "Oh, just fire a couple shots here and a couple shots here". 314 00:11:52,842 --> 00:11:55,034 I'm used to being on "Arrow", I said, "Okay, well how many? 315 00:11:55,035 --> 00:11:56,411 'Cause I know there's..." 316 00:11:56,412 --> 00:11:58,947 And they go, "Oh, it doesn't matter. Just as many as you can". 317 00:11:58,948 --> 00:12:00,672 They're like, "This is Krypton, kid. 318 00:12:00,673 --> 00:12:03,885 - We got all the money". - All right, I'll just fire off all the arrows. 319 00:12:03,886 --> 00:12:06,040 I want to thank Kat for joining us. 320 00:12:06,041 --> 00:12:08,641 You did a great job on the show, did a great job on the panel. 321 00:12:08,642 --> 00:12:10,024 - Thank you. - Thank you so much, man. 322 00:12:10,025 --> 00:12:12,427 When we come back, we're gonna meet The Monitor 323 00:12:12,428 --> 00:12:14,162 and map out the Multiverse. 324 00:12:14,163 --> 00:12:16,865 All that and more on "Crisis Aftermath". 325 00:12:16,866 --> 00:12:19,734 Don't quiver "Arrow" fans. We'll be write back. 326 00:12:32,708 --> 00:12:34,709 Welcome back to "Crisis Aftermath". 327 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:36,511 I'm Kevin Smith. As we've mentioned, 328 00:12:36,512 --> 00:12:39,214 "Crisis On Infinite Earths" is one of the biggest 329 00:12:39,215 --> 00:12:40,715 events in TV history. 330 00:12:40,716 --> 00:12:43,718 But just in case you still don't grasp the scale and scope, 331 00:12:43,719 --> 00:12:45,986 here's what the show's stars have to say about it. 332 00:12:45,987 --> 00:12:48,889 - Check it out. - Action. 333 00:12:48,890 --> 00:12:51,825 It's huge. 334 00:12:51,826 --> 00:12:53,826 We've never seen anything like this on television. 335 00:12:53,827 --> 00:12:55,162 - Yeah, it's big. - It's insane. 336 00:12:55,163 --> 00:12:57,597 Unfeasable, unthinkable, absurd, outlandish! 337 00:12:59,267 --> 00:13:01,168 I never thought in a million years 338 00:13:01,169 --> 00:13:04,671 that they would be able to do a "Crisis On Infinite Earths". 339 00:13:04,672 --> 00:13:07,807 Take cover! 340 00:13:07,808 --> 00:13:10,301 I don't know if you can actually technically get bigger than 341 00:13:10,302 --> 00:13:11,445 "Crisis On Infinite Earths". 342 00:13:11,446 --> 00:13:12,679 I can handle it. 343 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,150 Every hero imaginable is here. 344 00:13:16,151 --> 00:13:19,252 It's massive. 345 00:13:19,253 --> 00:13:21,486 We are making television history. 346 00:13:23,657 --> 00:13:25,190 This is never gonna happen again. 347 00:13:28,572 --> 00:13:31,620 Mm. Lots of things are never gonna happen again. 348 00:13:31,621 --> 00:13:34,036 Joining us now is the man responsible 349 00:13:34,037 --> 00:13:36,038 for the biggest Crisis ever. 350 00:13:36,039 --> 00:13:38,708 The Monitor himself, LaMonica Garrett, man. 351 00:13:38,709 --> 00:13:39,998 - How are you? - I'm good, man. 352 00:13:39,999 --> 00:13:41,444 - Thanks for having me. - Thank you for being here. 353 00:13:41,445 --> 00:13:42,868 The Monitor is arguably one 354 00:13:42,869 --> 00:13:45,825 of the most important characters in the DC universe, okay? 355 00:13:45,826 --> 00:13:47,450 How do you handle 356 00:13:47,451 --> 00:13:49,945 the pressure of playing a part that big? 357 00:13:49,946 --> 00:13:52,848 As a DC fan, it's easy to get caught up in the magnitude 358 00:13:52,849 --> 00:13:54,449 of who he is and what his presence means. 359 00:13:54,450 --> 00:13:57,119 But as the actor, I got to focus on his objective 360 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,988 and just going after what he needs and what he wants. 361 00:13:59,989 --> 00:14:01,790 And how is that... like, as an actor? 362 00:14:01,791 --> 00:14:04,026 Normally you play the objective in a normal world. 363 00:14:04,027 --> 00:14:08,156 - This guy's objective is cosmic. - It's more than global. 364 00:14:08,157 --> 00:14:09,898 It's cosmic. It's universes. 365 00:14:09,899 --> 00:14:12,067 It's the biggest thing I've ever tackled, 366 00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:13,489 but it's been awesome. 367 00:14:13,490 --> 00:14:15,470 What was it like strapping on the costume? 368 00:14:15,471 --> 00:14:16,923 It was constricting. 369 00:14:16,924 --> 00:14:20,305 Yeah, constricting and, uh... 370 00:14:20,306 --> 00:14:22,878 yeah, it... aesthetics first. 371 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:24,579 - Yeah, welcome... - As long as it looked... 372 00:14:24,580 --> 00:14:26,115 as long as it looked the part, it was good. 373 00:14:26,116 --> 00:14:27,149 Welcome to the superhero game, 374 00:14:27,150 --> 00:14:29,817 where your movement is very limited. 375 00:14:29,818 --> 00:14:32,320 - What movement? - Yes. 376 00:14:32,321 --> 00:14:35,890 As The Monitor, man, you're pretty much constantly pissing people off. 377 00:14:35,891 --> 00:14:38,326 Let's take another look at a pivotal moment with you. 378 00:14:38,327 --> 00:14:39,961 Check it out. 379 00:14:39,962 --> 00:14:41,996 I spared your friends' lives 380 00:14:41,997 --> 00:14:44,599 so they could save their world last year. 381 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,770 This is a very different threat. 382 00:14:48,771 --> 00:14:51,139 You need to stop playing games with me. 383 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:54,408 You tell me why the Anti-Monitor is doing this. 384 00:14:56,512 --> 00:14:59,180 And then tell me how I'm gonna prevent it. 385 00:14:59,181 --> 00:15:01,115 Not knowing what you are fighting 386 00:15:01,116 --> 00:15:03,951 means you'll prepare for every possibility. 387 00:15:03,952 --> 00:15:06,453 Because this threat brings with it 388 00:15:06,454 --> 00:15:10,857 the annihilation of all life in all realities. 389 00:15:11,927 --> 00:15:15,129 Do you now comprehend the scope 390 00:15:15,130 --> 00:15:17,698 of the danger we all now face? 391 00:15:20,836 --> 00:15:23,370 Something so interesting about The Monitor 392 00:15:23,371 --> 00:15:26,164 is you never know how much you can trust him, man. 393 00:15:26,165 --> 00:15:28,142 Like, how do you approach playing that? 394 00:15:28,143 --> 00:15:30,845 I think the writers take more credit that... 395 00:15:30,846 --> 00:15:32,479 you know, than me, 396 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,735 but they write it well. They write him well. 397 00:15:34,736 --> 00:15:36,295 But I think anyone that shows up 398 00:15:36,296 --> 00:15:38,985 delivering that much bad news with a straight face, 399 00:15:38,986 --> 00:15:40,553 you're not going to trust them too much. 400 00:15:40,554 --> 00:15:42,289 Let me ask you this. When you got cast 401 00:15:42,290 --> 00:15:44,634 did you go out and get the "Crisis" issues? 402 00:15:44,635 --> 00:15:47,160 Like, 'cause Monitor's on a lot of the covers and whatnot. 403 00:15:47,161 --> 00:15:48,628 - Yeah. - Were you like, "It's me!" 404 00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:50,663 I didn't know I got cast as The Monitor at first. 405 00:15:50,664 --> 00:15:52,765 - Really? - Yeah, Marc had to tell me after the fact. 406 00:15:52,766 --> 00:15:54,616 But I didn't who I was reading for. 407 00:15:54,617 --> 00:15:56,526 - Not after you shot the crossover. - No, no, no. 408 00:15:56,527 --> 00:15:58,004 "Guess what? You were The Monitor". 409 00:15:58,005 --> 00:16:00,124 But I got "Crisis"... 410 00:16:00,125 --> 00:16:02,342 I was familiar with it as a fan. 411 00:16:02,343 --> 00:16:05,245 And when I knew I was The Monitor, I went back, got it, reread it. 412 00:16:05,246 --> 00:16:07,881 And then when I was... found out I was playing the Anti-Monitor, 413 00:16:07,882 --> 00:16:10,282 I went back and reread it again with a fresh set of eyes. 414 00:16:10,283 --> 00:16:11,583 - So, yeah. - Very, very cool, man. 415 00:16:11,584 --> 00:16:13,785 With all the suiting up that was going on on set, 416 00:16:13,786 --> 00:16:16,631 was there any sort of like, "Hey, no pictures. No pictures"? 417 00:16:16,632 --> 00:16:18,423 We're always saying, "No pictures. No pictures". 418 00:16:18,424 --> 00:16:20,459 And if anyone's been on Twitter, 419 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:22,194 - you know how successful we were. - Yeah. 420 00:16:22,195 --> 00:16:24,296 - All pictures, all pictures! - All pictures all the time. 421 00:16:24,297 --> 00:16:27,967 Is there anything you could tell us about The Monitor's backstory 422 00:16:27,968 --> 00:16:29,869 that maybe we didn't get from the show? 423 00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:32,104 Actually, you know, one of the fun things that we're doing... 424 00:16:32,105 --> 00:16:33,228 This is a spoiler. 425 00:16:33,229 --> 00:16:34,855 This is something we haven't told anybody, 426 00:16:34,856 --> 00:16:37,142 is we're gonna open Hour Four, 427 00:16:37,143 --> 00:16:38,777 which is the "Arrow" hour, which is come... 428 00:16:38,778 --> 00:16:40,619 it's not even on until January. 429 00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:42,447 Yeah, 2020 we gotta wait for that. 430 00:16:42,448 --> 00:16:44,837 We open with basically the mother of all flashbacks. 431 00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:47,681 And we basically do the secret origin of The Monitor 432 00:16:47,682 --> 00:16:49,687 - and the Anti-Monitor. Yeah. - Really? 433 00:16:49,688 --> 00:16:51,689 And actually that whole sequence, 434 00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:54,366 the first draft of it was actually written by Marv Wolfman. 435 00:16:54,367 --> 00:16:56,327 - Get out of here. Really? - Yeah. Yeah. 436 00:16:56,328 --> 00:16:58,052 Has he been working on the shows 437 00:16:58,053 --> 00:16:59,463 or did you just pull him in for Crisis? 438 00:16:59,464 --> 00:17:01,199 We pulled him in for the "Arrow" hour. 439 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,067 He and I co-wrote the "Arrow" hour. 440 00:17:03,068 --> 00:17:05,340 So it... like, for all of us who are like, 441 00:17:05,341 --> 00:17:07,172 "Oh, my God, I can't believe they're doing Crisis". 442 00:17:07,173 --> 00:17:08,806 His mind must be bent. 443 00:17:08,807 --> 00:17:13,577 He is... he's just been so fantastic and so enthusiastic. 444 00:17:13,578 --> 00:17:16,147 And, you know, he came in and met with all the writers 445 00:17:16,148 --> 00:17:17,581 across all the superhero shows 446 00:17:17,582 --> 00:17:19,449 and just sort of held court for two hours 447 00:17:19,450 --> 00:17:21,718 just telling us all about the history of "Crisis", 448 00:17:21,719 --> 00:17:24,221 the history of DC comics, you name it. 449 00:17:24,222 --> 00:17:27,291 It was like getting a master class in superheroes 450 00:17:27,292 --> 00:17:29,626 from, obviously, one of the masters. 451 00:17:29,627 --> 00:17:32,097 Dani, when did "Crisis" come into your life? 452 00:17:32,098 --> 00:17:34,029 As a DC fan, it didn't come in 453 00:17:34,030 --> 00:17:36,599 to my collecting until a few years into my collecting 454 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,902 when somebody was like, "Hey, you know they got to one universe?" 455 00:17:38,903 --> 00:17:40,760 Then I went back and read it. When did you fall in? 456 00:17:40,761 --> 00:17:42,594 It wasn't until I was an adult. 457 00:17:42,595 --> 00:17:44,107 And even then, I think I had... 458 00:17:44,108 --> 00:17:47,468 like, I didn't fully grasp the magnitude of it. 459 00:17:47,469 --> 00:17:50,113 I'm very fascinated to hear about his origin. 460 00:17:50,114 --> 00:17:51,472 I think it would be funny if they just wrote in, 461 00:17:51,473 --> 00:17:55,651 like, the teenage years of The Monitor. 462 00:17:55,652 --> 00:17:57,519 Even though I know that's like not... 463 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,752 but that would be hilarious. I think, just, you know... 464 00:17:59,753 --> 00:18:03,059 The kids in high school did give him a lot of crap 465 00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:05,428 for his mutton chops as I recall. 466 00:18:05,429 --> 00:18:07,304 - Yeah. - But oddly enough, not the outfit. 467 00:18:07,305 --> 00:18:08,364 The outfit they were fine with. 468 00:18:08,365 --> 00:18:09,565 The outfit was totally... it's funny. 469 00:18:09,566 --> 00:18:12,234 Actually, we give you... in that origin story, 470 00:18:12,235 --> 00:18:14,070 we give you an explanation for the outfit. 471 00:18:14,071 --> 00:18:15,537 - Really? - Yeah. Yeah. 472 00:18:15,538 --> 00:18:18,240 What themes were you focused on in Crisis? 473 00:18:18,241 --> 00:18:21,010 What did you want to bring out the most in the storytelling? 474 00:18:21,011 --> 00:18:22,979 Sacrifice and redemption. 475 00:18:22,980 --> 00:18:25,181 I mean, and pretty much... 476 00:18:25,182 --> 00:18:26,582 - Jeez, I wonder who that smells like. - I know where... 477 00:18:26,583 --> 00:18:28,416 - where did that come from? - Yeah. 478 00:18:28,417 --> 00:18:31,553 But, like, you know, every character is sort of dealing with that. 479 00:18:31,554 --> 00:18:33,421 And I think one of the other sort of subthemes 480 00:18:33,422 --> 00:18:36,024 is the concept of passing the torch. 481 00:18:36,025 --> 00:18:38,694 - Mm-hmm. - And it's not just the passing of the torch 482 00:18:38,695 --> 00:18:40,529 from Oliver to Mia. 483 00:18:40,530 --> 00:18:42,598 It's, you know... you'll sort of see. 484 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:45,734 I don't wanna spoil too much, but there's a lot of, you know, 485 00:18:45,735 --> 00:18:48,470 passing of the torch and keeping the flame alive 486 00:18:48,471 --> 00:18:51,127 that goes throughout the entire five-hour event. 487 00:18:51,128 --> 00:18:52,608 Uh, I don't know what anyone told you, 488 00:18:52,609 --> 00:18:54,333 but we brought you here to spoil things. 489 00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:56,333 So don't be hiding things. 490 00:18:56,334 --> 00:18:59,447 As you can see, the Multiverse is vast and complex, 491 00:18:59,448 --> 00:19:01,883 and a lot of people are intimidated by that, man. 492 00:19:01,884 --> 00:19:03,543 But we're going to show you all how simple 493 00:19:03,544 --> 00:19:05,387 and straightforward it really is. 494 00:19:05,388 --> 00:19:08,390 We brought in Chancellor Agard from "Entertainment Weekly" 495 00:19:08,391 --> 00:19:10,992 to walk us through the state of the Multiverse. 496 00:19:10,993 --> 00:19:15,063 Chancellor, bring out your pointer, man! 497 00:19:15,064 --> 00:19:18,511 Well, the Multiverse is down six Earths after this episode, 498 00:19:18,512 --> 00:19:20,235 including Earth 2, which faded to dust 499 00:19:20,236 --> 00:19:21,769 in the "Arrow" season eight premiere. 500 00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:23,405 Tonight, we started on Earth 89. 501 00:19:23,406 --> 00:19:25,440 - So, wait hold on. It's gone. - Gone. It's gone already. 502 00:19:25,441 --> 00:19:27,370 - Okay. - So we started on Earth 89, 503 00:19:27,371 --> 00:19:29,192 - where we saw Robert Wuhl... - Robert Wuhl's back! 504 00:19:29,193 --> 00:19:31,019 - ... from the Tim Burton movies. - And then? 505 00:19:31,020 --> 00:19:32,113 - Gone. - Gone. 506 00:19:32,114 --> 00:19:34,248 Presumably along with Michael Keaton. 507 00:19:34,249 --> 00:19:36,016 From there, we traveled across the cameo-verse 508 00:19:36,017 --> 00:19:38,419 to Earth 9, home of DC Universe's "Titans"... 509 00:19:38,420 --> 00:19:39,781 - And? - ... in the first ever... 510 00:19:39,782 --> 00:19:42,268 - oh, that's gone, too, yeah. - In the first ever Arrowverse 511 00:19:42,269 --> 00:19:43,757 crossover with a streaming show. 512 00:19:43,758 --> 00:19:45,426 But they're dead already, so... 513 00:19:45,427 --> 00:19:46,593 Gone. What was the point? 514 00:19:46,594 --> 00:19:48,828 From there, Earth X went next, 515 00:19:48,829 --> 00:19:51,365 and then Earth 66 was the next to go, along with Burt Ward 516 00:19:51,366 --> 00:19:53,200 who played Robin in the classic Batman series 517 00:19:53,201 --> 00:19:55,469 - from 1966. - So absolutely cruel. 518 00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:57,438 Holy dead, Robin. 519 00:19:57,439 --> 00:20:00,353 And then the anti-matter wave started traveling towards Argo, 520 00:20:00,354 --> 00:20:03,277 which is where Superman, Lois Lane, baby Jonathan, 521 00:20:03,278 --> 00:20:06,246 and Supergirl's mom Alura were living. 522 00:20:06,247 --> 00:20:08,281 But she's dead now. 523 00:20:08,282 --> 00:20:10,783 Luckily, Clark and Lois aren't, though, 524 00:20:10,784 --> 00:20:13,986 because the Harbinger teleported them to Earth 38. 525 00:20:13,987 --> 00:20:18,624 And then baby Jonathan zipped off in an escape pod. 526 00:20:18,625 --> 00:20:21,154 At the same time, Harbinger then traveled to Earth 1, 527 00:20:21,155 --> 00:20:22,295 where she collected Oliver, 528 00:20:22,296 --> 00:20:24,630 Mia, Ray, Sara, Kate, Barry, 529 00:20:24,631 --> 00:20:26,699 and brought them all over to Earth 38. 530 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:31,404 Meanwhile, Sara, Lois, and Brainy travel to Earth 16 531 00:20:31,405 --> 00:20:33,406 to find baby Jonathan, 532 00:20:33,407 --> 00:20:35,141 who was in a future version of Star City 533 00:20:35,142 --> 00:20:36,976 with old man Oliver Queen. 534 00:20:36,977 --> 00:20:39,321 After all that, though, Earth 38 was still wiped out 535 00:20:39,322 --> 00:20:40,646 by the Anti-Monitor. 536 00:20:40,647 --> 00:20:43,281 Luckily, though, our heroes managed 537 00:20:43,282 --> 00:20:45,683 to save about a couple billion people and themselves 538 00:20:45,684 --> 00:20:47,150 and bring them all the way back to Earth 1, 539 00:20:47,151 --> 00:20:48,186 which is where we left them. 540 00:20:48,187 --> 00:20:50,555 Okay. That covers everything. 541 00:20:50,556 --> 00:20:52,257 - Everything, yeah. - Give it up for Chancellor. 542 00:20:52,258 --> 00:20:55,193 That was excellent. Pretty damn amazing. 543 00:20:55,194 --> 00:20:56,961 All right, man, I'm sweating. 544 00:20:56,962 --> 00:20:58,396 That was a lot to take in, man. 545 00:20:58,397 --> 00:20:59,830 Before we go further, I want to thank 546 00:20:59,831 --> 00:21:01,433 LaMonica Garrett for joining us. 547 00:21:01,434 --> 00:21:02,800 Excellent job. 548 00:21:02,801 --> 00:21:05,604 When we return, we mourn our fallen heroes 549 00:21:05,605 --> 00:21:07,839 and hear some very interesting fan predictions. 550 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,441 Back in a flash with more "Crisis Aftermath". 551 00:21:23,481 --> 00:21:25,249 Welcome back, my dear super friends. 552 00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:27,484 This is "Crisis Aftermath", and I'm Kevin Smith. 553 00:21:27,485 --> 00:21:29,819 We are delighted to have the executive producer 554 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:31,893 of "Supergirl" Robert Rovner here with us. 555 00:21:31,894 --> 00:21:33,823 - How you doing, Robert? - I'm super. 556 00:21:33,824 --> 00:21:35,559 You got... oh, my Lord. 557 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,994 Well-written. Like all great sagas, 558 00:21:37,995 --> 00:21:39,996 families are central to the DC Universe, 559 00:21:39,997 --> 00:21:41,998 especially its most famous couple, 560 00:21:41,999 --> 00:21:43,499 Superman and Lois Lane. 561 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:46,469 Tonight, they had their world completely upended. 562 00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:47,703 Let's look. 563 00:21:47,704 --> 00:21:49,671 Quickly, with me. 564 00:21:51,708 --> 00:21:53,676 We must set a course for Earth. 565 00:21:53,677 --> 00:21:55,178 Hopefully they'll have enough time 566 00:21:55,179 --> 00:21:56,845 to stop this wave before it hits. 567 00:21:58,048 --> 00:22:00,950 Where are the rest? 568 00:22:00,951 --> 00:22:02,818 There are no others. Only this one. 569 00:22:08,859 --> 00:22:11,494 You know, it seems like Kryptonians are always sending their kids 570 00:22:11,495 --> 00:22:13,229 off in a space pod. 571 00:22:13,230 --> 00:22:15,497 Is this just a rite of passage at this point? 572 00:22:15,498 --> 00:22:17,065 Is this what they do? 573 00:22:17,066 --> 00:22:19,467 Nobody ever told them, like, there could be another plan. 574 00:22:19,468 --> 00:22:22,337 They should've... they should've prepared more, built some more pods. 575 00:22:22,338 --> 00:22:24,406 - True. - But, unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. 576 00:22:24,407 --> 00:22:26,875 The whole planet should just be a series of pods ready to go 577 00:22:26,876 --> 00:22:28,725 at any moment so everyone could leave. 578 00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:31,069 But, no, it's always just big enough for a baby. 579 00:22:31,070 --> 00:22:35,084 What was it like to kind of jump back and re-examine 580 00:22:35,085 --> 00:22:39,321 a moment that is huge, iconic in comic book history, 581 00:22:39,322 --> 00:22:40,856 but then put through this different prism? 582 00:22:40,857 --> 00:22:44,064 Very daunting for us to... you know, wanted to pay homage 583 00:22:44,065 --> 00:22:46,715 to the canon and to... you know, we're all... 584 00:22:46,716 --> 00:22:50,530 a lot of our inspiration comes from the Donner movies, 585 00:22:50,531 --> 00:22:52,466 and so we wanted to pay homage to that as well. 586 00:22:52,467 --> 00:22:54,168 We're really excited to have this opportunity 587 00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:56,170 to show it through Kal-El's eyes 588 00:22:56,171 --> 00:22:58,840 and to do it with Kal-El and Lois. 589 00:22:58,841 --> 00:23:01,209 It's always nice to include Superman, but, like, 590 00:23:01,210 --> 00:23:04,445 the inability to play with the Superman IP 591 00:23:04,446 --> 00:23:05,947 is kind of where "Supergirl" came from. 592 00:23:05,948 --> 00:23:08,782 And you guys built something really wonderful. 593 00:23:08,783 --> 00:23:11,752 In a world where it's like, "Oh, we can't touch the big guy. 594 00:23:11,753 --> 00:23:14,455 We can tell every Superman story we ever dreamed about telling 595 00:23:14,456 --> 00:23:16,590 through the prism of Supergirl". 596 00:23:16,591 --> 00:23:20,392 And in doing so, expanded and diversified the Arrowverse. 597 00:23:20,393 --> 00:23:24,631 What do we see happening for the Maiden of Might 598 00:23:24,632 --> 00:23:26,467 in the rest of the series here? 599 00:23:26,468 --> 00:23:29,470 Is she... like the cover of one 600 00:23:29,471 --> 00:23:32,539 of the very famous issues of "Crisis On Infinite Earths", 601 00:23:32,540 --> 00:23:36,910 is she gonna be winding up in somebody's arms lifeless? 602 00:23:36,911 --> 00:23:40,013 - I can't give any spoilers. - Come on, Robert! 603 00:23:40,014 --> 00:23:44,017 She has a very emotional journey in the rest of Crisis. 604 00:23:44,018 --> 00:23:45,352 You know, I think one of the things that happens 605 00:23:45,353 --> 00:23:47,688 in this hour, she sees Argo destroyed. 606 00:23:47,689 --> 00:23:50,624 And so she really is on a mission to try and save that. 607 00:23:50,625 --> 00:23:52,893 You know, she's always a character that's full of a lot of hope, 608 00:23:52,894 --> 00:23:54,928 and so she wants to, you know, 609 00:23:54,929 --> 00:23:56,596 both stop the inevitable 610 00:23:56,597 --> 00:23:58,398 and correct what the Anti-Monitor is up to, 611 00:23:58,399 --> 00:24:00,533 - which is not good. - Can I just say 612 00:24:00,534 --> 00:24:02,802 this moment with Clark and Lois when he was like, 613 00:24:02,803 --> 00:24:04,370 "Where's the other ships?" And she's like, 614 00:24:04,371 --> 00:24:07,306 "There aren't any". I was like, "Oh, no!" 615 00:24:07,307 --> 00:24:10,042 I was like, "Can they just win once and awhile?" 616 00:24:10,043 --> 00:24:11,778 This man is so selfless. 617 00:24:11,779 --> 00:24:14,580 Like, he went off to have his family on another planet. 618 00:24:14,581 --> 00:24:16,148 Like, just let him have this moment. 619 00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:18,317 Of course, they came back, but... 620 00:24:18,318 --> 00:24:20,986 I also think I'm excited because in the comics, 621 00:24:20,987 --> 00:24:24,123 Alexander, you know, actually has some part. 622 00:24:24,124 --> 00:24:25,991 And I know that Jonathan stays a baby. 623 00:24:25,992 --> 00:24:28,994 But I'm like, "There's no way this super baby isn't popping in". 624 00:24:28,995 --> 00:24:31,029 Like, even if it's just to, like, punch... 625 00:24:31,030 --> 00:24:32,330 punch someone, 626 00:24:32,331 --> 00:24:34,466 I'm sure the super baby will pop up somewhere. 627 00:24:34,467 --> 00:24:36,167 All the heroes in the Arrowverse 628 00:24:36,168 --> 00:24:37,502 are all these such strong leads, 629 00:24:37,503 --> 00:24:39,838 but you guys got some gold in Tyler. 630 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:41,339 Tyler is absolutely wonderful. 631 00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,909 We caught up with Tyler, AKA Clark Kent, 632 00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:45,977 and got his thoughts on the Man of Steel 633 00:24:45,978 --> 00:24:49,180 becoming the dad of steel. Check it out. 634 00:24:49,181 --> 00:24:51,683 Hi. Jonathan really has your eyes, huh? 635 00:24:51,684 --> 00:24:53,518 I'll take it. 636 00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:54,686 It's a new realization, I think, 637 00:24:54,687 --> 00:24:56,354 for him of how fragile life really is, 638 00:24:56,355 --> 00:24:58,246 and not because he's afraid of losing his, 639 00:24:58,247 --> 00:25:00,092 but he's afraid of not being there for his son. 640 00:25:00,093 --> 00:25:02,260 So it's definitely something new to take on 641 00:25:02,261 --> 00:25:04,381 and a new perspective to look at the world through, 642 00:25:04,382 --> 00:25:07,716 but it's been a fun challenge. 643 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,136 How does being a father affect Superman? 644 00:25:12,137 --> 00:25:14,138 I think it really raises the stakes for him. 645 00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:17,008 You know, not only is he trying 646 00:25:17,009 --> 00:25:20,345 to protect the universe for his son, but he really, 647 00:25:20,346 --> 00:25:21,712 I think, feels much more deeply 648 00:25:21,713 --> 00:25:23,147 what he could lose. 649 00:25:23,148 --> 00:25:24,482 They've lost their baby 650 00:25:24,483 --> 00:25:26,317 in time and space many, many times. 651 00:25:26,318 --> 00:25:30,038 Should Lois and Clark also lose custody? 652 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,290 - I would say no. - I don't think Kryptonians 653 00:25:32,291 --> 00:25:33,815 should ever be allowed to have children. 654 00:25:33,816 --> 00:25:35,526 Because they don't know what to do with them. 655 00:25:35,527 --> 00:25:36,994 They're like, "Hey, there's an earthquake". 656 00:25:36,995 --> 00:25:39,463 "Let's throw the baby into space!" 657 00:25:39,464 --> 00:25:41,564 I also love that they send them to humans. 658 00:25:41,565 --> 00:25:43,442 Like, he's actually super powered, 659 00:25:43,443 --> 00:25:44,734 but they're giving this super powered 660 00:25:44,735 --> 00:25:48,228 little individual to the least responsible people that can handle it. 661 00:25:48,229 --> 00:25:50,307 "This will work out. Send him to primates". 662 00:25:50,308 --> 00:25:53,176 "Crisis On Infinite Earths" may have just begun, 663 00:25:53,177 --> 00:25:55,712 but we already have to say some good-byes, man. 664 00:25:55,713 --> 00:25:57,514 Let's take a moment to pay tribute 665 00:25:57,515 --> 00:25:59,349 to all those humans, metahumans, 666 00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:02,785 and entire civilizations that we lost tonight. 667 00:26:32,482 --> 00:26:35,818 You, my friend, 668 00:26:35,819 --> 00:26:38,587 are the very best of us. 669 00:26:45,996 --> 00:26:48,329 Holy crimson skies of death! 670 00:26:53,670 --> 00:26:56,004 Robert, I want to thank you so much for joining us, 671 00:26:56,005 --> 00:26:58,240 giving us a little of the inside dirt, man. 672 00:26:58,241 --> 00:27:00,842 Don't go anywhere because when we come back 673 00:27:00,843 --> 00:27:02,778 we'll get the scoop on the Arrowverse's 674 00:27:02,779 --> 00:27:04,780 newest hero Batwoman. 675 00:27:04,781 --> 00:27:07,116 We were Krypton long before we were Krypt-off. 676 00:27:07,117 --> 00:27:10,118 Stick around for more "Crisis Aftermath". 677 00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:27,392 Hello and welcome back to "Crisis Aftermath", 678 00:27:27,393 --> 00:27:28,827 one of an infinite number 679 00:27:28,828 --> 00:27:31,896 of "Crisis On Infinite Earths" aftershows currently airing 680 00:27:31,897 --> 00:27:33,331 in the known universes. 681 00:27:33,332 --> 00:27:35,127 I'm one of your infinite number of hosts, 682 00:27:35,128 --> 00:27:36,234 Kevin Smith prime. 683 00:27:36,235 --> 00:27:37,902 When we first see Batwoman, 684 00:27:37,903 --> 00:27:40,739 she's busy kicking people's butts in Gotham. 685 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:42,907 So when Harbinger teleports her to Earth 38 686 00:27:42,908 --> 00:27:44,908 to help prevent the destruction of the Multiverse, 687 00:27:44,909 --> 00:27:47,344 it's a little disorientating. Let's look. 688 00:27:47,345 --> 00:27:50,781 Kara, where are we and what just happened? 689 00:27:50,782 --> 00:27:53,950 - Um... - You're on Earth 38. 690 00:27:53,951 --> 00:27:56,453 There was... 691 00:27:56,454 --> 00:27:58,021 That rabbit was about to talk. 692 00:27:58,022 --> 00:27:59,890 This one speaks to rabbits. 693 00:27:59,891 --> 00:28:03,262 It's okay. We're all on the same side. 694 00:28:03,263 --> 00:28:05,696 Are we? 'Cause I don't know them. 695 00:28:05,697 --> 00:28:06,930 But you know me. 696 00:28:06,931 --> 00:28:09,366 And if you were brought here with all these other heroes, 697 00:28:09,367 --> 00:28:11,602 it's probably because we need you. 698 00:28:11,603 --> 00:28:15,438 I trust everyone in this room with my life, including you. 699 00:28:22,713 --> 00:28:25,615 Well, I guess you should all just call me Kate. 700 00:28:25,616 --> 00:28:27,783 Oh, that's awesome! Joining us now 701 00:28:27,784 --> 00:28:30,753 is the showrunner of CW's "Batwoman", Caroline Dries. 702 00:28:30,754 --> 00:28:32,655 - Man, how are you? - I'm good, thank you. 703 00:28:32,656 --> 00:28:34,572 So good to have you here. What's going on 704 00:28:34,573 --> 00:28:38,361 in Batwoman's life before she's called in for this giant epic? 705 00:28:38,362 --> 00:28:42,399 Yeah, Batwoman has been spending most of the season 706 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,235 trying to convince herself and everyone that she loves 707 00:28:45,236 --> 00:28:46,736 that her sister Alice, 708 00:28:46,737 --> 00:28:48,181 who's the big villain of the season, 709 00:28:48,182 --> 00:28:49,844 that she can be redeemed, 710 00:28:49,845 --> 00:28:51,832 that there's some humanity left in her. 711 00:28:51,833 --> 00:28:53,675 - And that's her Joker. - Yeah. 712 00:28:53,676 --> 00:28:57,313 That's sort of like her crazy, maniacal Joker counterpart, 713 00:28:57,314 --> 00:28:59,348 and it's also her twin sister. 714 00:28:59,349 --> 00:29:03,129 And so Batwoman is convinced, "Look, I can save her. 715 00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:05,154 She's worth the time. She's good. 716 00:29:05,155 --> 00:29:06,521 She's got good deep down in her". 717 00:29:06,522 --> 00:29:10,192 And in the last episode before Crisis, 718 00:29:10,193 --> 00:29:12,394 Alice does the unthinkable. 719 00:29:12,395 --> 00:29:15,397 She kills somebody very close to Kate 720 00:29:15,398 --> 00:29:18,567 and proves that she actually probably isn't redeemable. 721 00:29:18,568 --> 00:29:21,036 And right now as Kate's entering this Crisis, 722 00:29:21,037 --> 00:29:23,538 she's starting to wonder, you know, 723 00:29:23,539 --> 00:29:26,541 "Should I put my hope in humanity? Is it worth it? 724 00:29:26,542 --> 00:29:28,749 Am I capable of bringing out the good in people? 725 00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:29,877 What am I actually doing?" 726 00:29:29,878 --> 00:29:33,381 How does she feel amongst these superpowered individuals, 727 00:29:33,382 --> 00:29:36,284 as someone who is fighting without superpowers? 728 00:29:36,285 --> 00:29:37,485 Yeah, it's tricky. 729 00:29:37,486 --> 00:29:39,553 You know, I think of being a superhero 730 00:29:39,554 --> 00:29:43,391 when you have the fate of the world 731 00:29:43,392 --> 00:29:45,126 riding on your shoulders, 732 00:29:45,127 --> 00:29:48,229 it's mostly about just showing up to fight the fight. 733 00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:51,065 And does she know if a batarang's going to work on a shadow demon? 734 00:29:51,066 --> 00:29:52,600 You know? She's never done it before. 735 00:29:52,601 --> 00:29:54,335 But that's what makes her special, 736 00:29:54,336 --> 00:29:55,970 is that she's willing to do it. 737 00:29:55,971 --> 00:29:58,506 Anybody who loves to play in this field 738 00:29:58,507 --> 00:30:02,175 - dreams about playing with Gotham City IP. - Yes. 739 00:30:02,176 --> 00:30:04,577 What has it been like to run around 740 00:30:04,578 --> 00:30:06,513 - and do what you want with Gotham City? - It is such a gift. 741 00:30:06,514 --> 00:30:10,217 Obviously, Gotham is the second biggest character on our show, 742 00:30:10,218 --> 00:30:14,087 and we've had such a fun time tapping into 743 00:30:14,088 --> 00:30:17,057 some of the more familiar characters and villains. 744 00:30:17,058 --> 00:30:19,592 And we're also conscientious 745 00:30:19,593 --> 00:30:21,561 that the audience has a certain expectation 746 00:30:21,562 --> 00:30:23,248 when they see these bad guys 747 00:30:23,249 --> 00:30:24,431 that they've seen a million times 748 00:30:24,432 --> 00:30:26,366 - and they want a little spin on it. - Right. 749 00:30:26,367 --> 00:30:29,102 And we wanna try to tell stories that haven't been seen before. 750 00:30:29,103 --> 00:30:32,805 So there's just such a vast encyclopedia of characters, 751 00:30:32,806 --> 00:30:34,393 and they're all so weird and colorful. 752 00:30:34,394 --> 00:30:38,210 And the fun part about Gotham is that the crazy 753 00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:40,312 is built into the DNA of the city. 754 00:30:40,313 --> 00:30:42,072 So she's going up against these villains 755 00:30:42,073 --> 00:30:44,175 who are just as strong as she is. 756 00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:45,885 Has there... and this is just inside baseball. 757 00:30:45,886 --> 00:30:47,637 Has there been any villain that they're like, 758 00:30:47,638 --> 00:30:49,164 - "You can't touch that?" - Uh, yes. 759 00:30:49,165 --> 00:30:50,222 A lot, right? 760 00:30:50,223 --> 00:30:52,959 - Yeah. - I imagine you can speak to that as well. 761 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,761 I'm sure that... 762 00:30:54,762 --> 00:30:57,797 I'm sure there's no billion dollar movie 763 00:30:57,798 --> 00:31:00,299 of a character that, uh, 764 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,368 is related to this decision at all. 765 00:31:02,369 --> 00:31:03,803 Still, like, you know, 766 00:31:03,804 --> 00:31:05,738 the fact of the matter is the Arrowverse has proven 767 00:31:05,739 --> 00:31:08,908 that you can do big budget storytelling 768 00:31:08,909 --> 00:31:11,276 with vast cast, just as adventurous, 769 00:31:11,277 --> 00:31:13,244 just as... it captures the imagination 770 00:31:13,245 --> 00:31:15,413 as they do in the cinema. 771 00:31:15,414 --> 00:31:18,083 And it seems to me from the outside, 772 00:31:18,084 --> 00:31:19,417 in the beginning it was very, 773 00:31:19,418 --> 00:31:21,352 "You can only use this guy and this guy, 774 00:31:21,353 --> 00:31:23,088 and don't even reference this stuff". 775 00:31:23,089 --> 00:31:25,824 It seems to be loosening up. 776 00:31:25,825 --> 00:31:27,626 I always look at it as the glass is half full. 777 00:31:27,627 --> 00:31:30,428 We never in a million years 778 00:31:30,429 --> 00:31:32,141 when we first started the Arrowverse, 779 00:31:32,142 --> 00:31:33,421 thought we were ever... 780 00:31:33,422 --> 00:31:36,218 Superman, Batwoman, Gotham City? 781 00:31:36,219 --> 00:31:37,242 Forget about it. 782 00:31:37,243 --> 00:31:39,437 So, it's all a gift. 783 00:31:39,438 --> 00:31:42,275 I want to thank Caroline Dries for coming to join us. 784 00:31:42,276 --> 00:31:44,775 Thank you for representing Gotham 785 00:31:44,776 --> 00:31:46,111 - in the Arrowverse. - Thank you. 786 00:31:46,112 --> 00:31:47,445 It's a big thing, big thing. 787 00:31:47,446 --> 00:31:49,614 And when we come back, I go head to head 788 00:31:49,615 --> 00:31:51,416 against my podcast cohost 789 00:31:51,417 --> 00:31:53,784 and primary life rival Marc Bernardin 790 00:31:53,785 --> 00:31:55,476 in a game of DC trivia. 791 00:31:55,477 --> 00:31:57,037 Keep it right here, man. 792 00:31:57,038 --> 00:32:00,274 Same bat time, same bat channel. 793 00:32:14,326 --> 00:32:16,593 Hello, and welcome back to "Crisis Aftermath". 794 00:32:16,594 --> 00:32:18,929 Joining us here on the stage of destiny 795 00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:20,831 is my friend and Fat Man Beyond cohost 796 00:32:20,832 --> 00:32:22,332 Mark Bernardin. Welcome, Mark. 797 00:32:22,333 --> 00:32:23,924 - Hey! - How are you? 798 00:32:23,925 --> 00:32:25,703 - I'm amazing. - Now, it's confusing 799 00:32:25,704 --> 00:32:28,159 for the home viewer, because Dani's in my seat now. 800 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,941 That's because she's gonna be the games master 801 00:32:30,942 --> 00:32:32,109 for a little competition 802 00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:35,079 we like to call Crisis: After Feud. 803 00:32:37,682 --> 00:32:39,616 Thank you, Kevin. I am going to ask 804 00:32:39,617 --> 00:32:40,951 a series of trivia questions 805 00:32:40,952 --> 00:32:42,970 about the DC Universe. 806 00:32:42,971 --> 00:32:46,581 If you have an answer, please raise your specially made Crisis paddle 807 00:32:46,582 --> 00:32:47,816 and I'll call on you. 808 00:32:47,817 --> 00:32:50,127 - Trash talking is encouraged. - Oh, thank God. 809 00:32:50,128 --> 00:32:53,296 Extra points will be assigned for making the other person cry. 810 00:32:53,297 --> 00:32:55,265 Whoa. I brought tissues. 811 00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:58,401 The winner will be awarded the prize of never shutting up about it. 812 00:32:58,402 --> 00:32:59,869 So, gentlemen, are you ready? 813 00:32:59,870 --> 00:33:01,926 - Yes! - All right, first question. 814 00:33:01,927 --> 00:33:05,480 _ 815 00:33:05,481 --> 00:33:07,705 _ 816 00:33:07,706 --> 00:33:10,219 You might've wanted to work up to the hard ones, Dani. 817 00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:13,750 - Yes, Marc. - Scientific Technical Advanced Research? 818 00:33:13,751 --> 00:33:17,254 - Oh, yeah, but there's an "A" in there, friend. - Advanced. 819 00:33:17,255 --> 00:33:19,122 Oh, yeah, you said that. Okay, never mind. Sorry. 820 00:33:19,123 --> 00:33:21,157 - Did I get a point? - Yeah, you got it. 821 00:33:21,158 --> 00:33:23,039 - Spelling! - How did you know that? 822 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,593 - All right, all right. Moving on, moving on. - I made it up. 823 00:33:24,594 --> 00:33:25,950 - This is multiple choice. - Yes. 824 00:33:25,951 --> 00:33:28,274 _ 825 00:33:28,275 --> 00:33:30,298 _ 826 00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:32,422 _ 827 00:33:32,423 --> 00:33:34,676 _ 828 00:33:34,677 --> 00:33:39,242 - Is it... - _ 829 00:33:39,243 --> 00:33:40,643 Ooh. 830 00:33:40,644 --> 00:33:42,411 - Marc. - Green Lantern. 831 00:33:42,412 --> 00:33:43,980 - That is incorrect. - Oh. 832 00:33:43,981 --> 00:33:45,614 You can steal, Kevin. Yes. 833 00:33:45,615 --> 00:33:49,218 - Uh, I'm gonna go Dr. Fate. - Oh, you're both wrong! 834 00:33:49,219 --> 00:33:52,454 - Boy, we're idiots. - It is Wonder Woman. Diana Prince herself. 835 00:33:52,455 --> 00:33:54,613 You know, that just shows our gender bias, doesn't it? 836 00:33:54,614 --> 00:33:55,644 Yeah, it does. 837 00:33:55,645 --> 00:33:57,603 - You all should've known. - I'm like, "Had to be a man invented the Multiverse". 838 00:33:57,604 --> 00:33:59,004 Apparently not. 839 00:33:59,005 --> 00:34:03,868 _ 840 00:34:03,869 --> 00:34:08,257 _ 841 00:34:08,258 --> 00:34:12,957 _ 842 00:34:14,511 --> 00:34:16,111 Um... 843 00:34:16,112 --> 00:34:19,181 Fortress of Desolation? No, I don't know. 844 00:34:19,182 --> 00:34:21,383 - Apokolips? - No. 845 00:34:21,384 --> 00:34:23,319 It is Kaznia. Okay, okay. 846 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,053 Dani, this is really depressing. 847 00:34:25,054 --> 00:34:28,056 This is all I got in life is knowing about this stuff, 848 00:34:28,057 --> 00:34:29,792 and I don't know it anymore. 849 00:34:29,793 --> 00:34:31,092 For the record, I'm winning. 850 00:34:31,093 --> 00:34:33,394 - Yeah, you are. - True. 851 00:34:33,395 --> 00:34:35,286 You should be hosting this thing. 852 00:34:35,287 --> 00:34:36,643 Really making me look bad. 853 00:34:36,644 --> 00:34:37,733 Okay... 854 00:34:37,734 --> 00:34:42,097 _ 855 00:34:42,098 --> 00:34:46,061 _ 856 00:34:46,062 --> 00:34:49,555 _ 857 00:34:49,556 --> 00:34:52,313 _ 858 00:34:52,314 --> 00:34:55,115 I'm gonna say 97. Earth 97. 859 00:34:55,116 --> 00:34:56,551 Can you please raise your paddle, sir? 860 00:34:56,552 --> 00:34:58,258 Earth 97. 861 00:34:58,259 --> 00:34:59,721 That is correct. 862 00:34:59,722 --> 00:35:01,222 - Yes! - That is correct. 863 00:35:01,223 --> 00:35:04,058 - I remember the '90s. - And I remember those nipples. 864 00:35:04,059 --> 00:35:05,115 Okay, here we go. 865 00:35:05,116 --> 00:35:08,061 _ 866 00:35:08,062 --> 00:35:11,565 That's Chuck's Dixson's fault. Chuck Dickson killed him. 867 00:35:11,566 --> 00:35:15,377 Oliver had his hands in a device, an exploding device, 868 00:35:15,378 --> 00:35:17,437 and if he removed one of his hands, 869 00:35:17,438 --> 00:35:19,673 it would've set off the bomb and exploded the plane. 870 00:35:19,674 --> 00:35:22,008 - Yes. - Superman was there, 871 00:35:22,009 --> 00:35:23,343 and he was like, 872 00:35:23,344 --> 00:35:26,246 "We can do this, but I would have to..." 873 00:35:26,247 --> 00:35:29,583 He intimates that he would have to laser off Oliver's arm, 874 00:35:29,584 --> 00:35:31,918 which then would've made Oliver look like 875 00:35:31,919 --> 00:35:33,920 the "Dark Knight Returns" Oliver Queen 876 00:35:33,921 --> 00:35:35,422 who only had one arm. 877 00:35:35,423 --> 00:35:37,223 So, while we were reading the books, we were like, "Oh! 878 00:35:37,224 --> 00:35:38,759 The future is here!" And then instead, 879 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,960 - Oliver chose to die. - Yes. 880 00:35:40,961 --> 00:35:44,230 Kevin, that incredibly long answer is correct. 881 00:35:44,231 --> 00:35:46,332 - Yes! - So you are actually our winner. 882 00:35:46,333 --> 00:35:47,700 I'm the filibuster winner! 883 00:35:47,701 --> 00:35:49,608 I just said a lot of words 884 00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:51,104 - and I won, man. - Figures. 885 00:35:51,105 --> 00:35:52,838 Thank you for making me look good on TV. 886 00:35:52,839 --> 00:35:54,840 - I try. - Thank you for asking me those questions. 887 00:35:54,841 --> 00:35:57,110 You guys did very well. When we come back, 888 00:35:57,111 --> 00:35:58,878 we're gonna take a glimpse 889 00:35:58,879 --> 00:36:01,047 into the future of "Crisis On Infinite Earths", 890 00:36:01,048 --> 00:36:03,049 after you go through this wormhole 891 00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:05,050 of infinite commercials. 892 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,321 Welcome back to "Crisis Aftermath". 893 00:36:20,322 --> 00:36:22,930 We got Marc Guggenheim back out for this final act, 894 00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:25,059 and we are 24 hours away 895 00:36:25,060 --> 00:36:27,495 from the next installment of "Crisis On Infinite Earths". 896 00:36:27,496 --> 00:36:30,264 And all we know is that anything can happen. 897 00:36:30,265 --> 00:36:32,300 Quantum Tower shot out of the ground. 898 00:36:32,301 --> 00:36:34,452 Burt Ward got killed after two seconds 899 00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:35,837 and a very clever line. 900 00:36:35,838 --> 00:36:38,772 So we went to New York Comic Con and we asked our beloved fans 901 00:36:38,773 --> 00:36:40,418 what they think is going to go down. 902 00:36:40,419 --> 00:36:41,742 Check it out. 903 00:36:41,743 --> 00:36:44,745 I am so excited for "Crisis On Infinite Earths". 904 00:36:44,746 --> 00:36:45,980 So many different characters 905 00:36:45,981 --> 00:36:47,881 from so many different multiverses. 906 00:36:47,882 --> 00:36:49,050 I think it's going to set up a lot 907 00:36:49,051 --> 00:36:50,684 to bring Gotham City into the fold, 908 00:36:50,685 --> 00:36:52,519 and all of those characters, and really be able 909 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,755 to kind of set them up for the Batwoman show, 910 00:36:54,756 --> 00:36:56,424 which I'm excited for as well. 911 00:36:56,425 --> 00:36:58,068 I really hope we find out 912 00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:59,827 what happened to Bruce Wayne. 913 00:36:59,828 --> 00:37:02,930 I would really like to see Sara Lance reunite 914 00:37:02,931 --> 00:37:04,231 with the new Black Canary. 915 00:37:04,232 --> 00:37:05,732 I'm really excited to see 916 00:37:05,733 --> 00:37:07,134 Brandon Routh wear the cape. 917 00:37:07,135 --> 00:37:09,236 I felt he was an under-appreciated Superman. 918 00:37:09,237 --> 00:37:12,206 Maybe a clash between Supergirl and Batwoman 919 00:37:12,207 --> 00:37:13,941 and see how they go up against each other. 920 00:37:13,942 --> 00:37:16,710 I do think Flash is gonna be leading the whole group. 921 00:37:16,711 --> 00:37:19,378 Maybe Batwoman will take the lead. 922 00:37:20,882 --> 00:37:22,983 No. I don't think so. 923 00:37:22,984 --> 00:37:24,858 - Why not? - I know! 924 00:37:24,859 --> 00:37:27,646 Boy, oh, boy, everyone's got an opinion, man. 925 00:37:27,647 --> 00:37:29,389 Were any of them right, Marc? 926 00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:30,724 - Did any of them... - You know, there were 927 00:37:30,725 --> 00:37:32,325 a couple things in there that we hit. 928 00:37:32,326 --> 00:37:33,890 When you're writing the shows, 929 00:37:33,891 --> 00:37:35,744 when the shows are airing and whatnot, 930 00:37:35,745 --> 00:37:38,231 do you pay attention to the Internet and their... 931 00:37:38,232 --> 00:37:40,590 - Yeah, yeah, actually... - Do they ever guess 932 00:37:40,591 --> 00:37:41,902 - in advance, like... - Always. Always. 933 00:37:41,903 --> 00:37:43,537 Really? So they figure it out? 934 00:37:43,538 --> 00:37:46,172 Twitter is like crowdsourcing the writers' room. 935 00:37:46,173 --> 00:37:50,443 So, yes, people are constantly, you know, predicting stuff. 936 00:37:50,444 --> 00:37:52,668 So you're like, "Oh, my God, they got that!" 937 00:37:52,669 --> 00:37:54,593 Yes. Oh, no, It's incredibly annoying. 938 00:37:54,594 --> 00:37:57,250 - You know, at the same time... - Annoying, but at the same time 939 00:37:57,251 --> 00:37:59,119 it's flattering, 'cause they're all over it. 940 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,320 They're thinking about it, you know? 941 00:38:00,321 --> 00:38:02,958 And they're smart. The Internet's smart, man. 942 00:38:02,959 --> 00:38:05,525 Where do you fall on the scale of fandom of Arrowverse? 943 00:38:05,526 --> 00:38:07,027 How deep and hard do you go, Dani? 944 00:38:07,028 --> 00:38:10,199 Oh, man, I mean, I feel like I've been here since day one, 945 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,322 so it's been so cool to see all these characters on... 946 00:38:13,323 --> 00:38:15,868 honestly, you also grow with them. 947 00:38:15,869 --> 00:38:17,499 Like, you talked about redemption, 948 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,538 and I feel like we've grown with Oliver. 949 00:38:19,539 --> 00:38:21,080 You know, we've grown with Barry. 950 00:38:21,081 --> 00:38:23,634 And one thing that I didn't really get to touch on was that Sara... 951 00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:26,045 that moment with Sara and older Oliver 952 00:38:26,046 --> 00:38:28,237 where she says, you know, "You're a good man". 953 00:38:28,238 --> 00:38:29,933 And I think when the other Oliver dies 954 00:38:29,934 --> 00:38:31,483 and he says, "Barry, you're the best of us", 955 00:38:31,484 --> 00:38:34,219 - it's because he always discredits himself. - Right. 956 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:36,055 Yet he's had so much growth, and it's like... 957 00:38:36,056 --> 00:38:37,122 I just love that moment 958 00:38:37,123 --> 00:38:39,058 of her giving him his redemption of, 959 00:38:39,059 --> 00:38:41,060 "You, too, are also a good man, 960 00:38:41,061 --> 00:38:42,862 and that is what all the rest of us see". 961 00:38:42,863 --> 00:38:45,031 You been watching these shows since the jump, yes? 962 00:38:45,032 --> 00:38:48,034 Since the jump, yeah. I was an OG "Arrow" fan. 963 00:38:48,035 --> 00:38:51,236 And it's funny, because it's hard 964 00:38:51,237 --> 00:38:53,405 to still stay as passionate about things as you do, 965 00:38:53,406 --> 00:38:55,041 as you get older, as the show gets older. 966 00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:57,404 But these shows are always like a renewable resource. 967 00:38:57,405 --> 00:39:00,946 They always find ways to seduce you back in. 968 00:39:00,947 --> 00:39:02,381 And sometimes it's the crossover, 969 00:39:02,382 --> 00:39:04,015 sometimes it's big character moments. 970 00:39:04,016 --> 00:39:06,685 And sometimes it's just these people that you kind of love, 971 00:39:06,686 --> 00:39:09,188 watching them do these things over and over and over again. 972 00:39:09,189 --> 00:39:11,923 And, yeah, you just kind of... I like that love. 973 00:39:11,924 --> 00:39:13,258 It's true, I love these shows. 974 00:39:13,259 --> 00:39:16,767 Like I don't care if Barry faces a villain every year 975 00:39:16,768 --> 00:39:18,830 that I know is going to be speed based. 976 00:39:18,831 --> 00:39:21,333 Like, what else is he gonna do? 977 00:39:21,334 --> 00:39:23,868 I appreciate that it's a family affair, and it always has been. 978 00:39:23,869 --> 00:39:26,805 And every one of the Arrowverse series 979 00:39:26,806 --> 00:39:28,373 ultimately does that, man. 980 00:39:28,374 --> 00:39:30,490 It's about the family you have and the family you build. 981 00:39:30,491 --> 00:39:32,681 It's fantastic. I want to thank all my guests. 982 00:39:32,682 --> 00:39:34,878 Marc Guggenheim, Dani Fernandez, 983 00:39:34,879 --> 00:39:37,133 Marc Bernardin, Kat McNamara, 984 00:39:37,134 --> 00:39:40,218 LaMonica Garrett, Robert Rovner, and Caroline Dries, man. 985 00:39:40,219 --> 00:39:41,685 Thank you all for coming in, 986 00:39:41,686 --> 00:39:43,387 giving us a little dishing of the dirt. 987 00:39:43,388 --> 00:39:45,223 We're going to be back on Tuesday night 988 00:39:45,224 --> 00:39:47,325 for more giddy superhero chatter 989 00:39:47,326 --> 00:39:49,360 after Crisis hour three. 990 00:39:49,361 --> 00:39:52,106 Man, I'm gonna hunker down in my Fortress of Solitude. 991 00:39:52,107 --> 00:39:53,603 You know what that means. Until then, 992 00:39:53,604 --> 00:39:55,065 make sure you come back, man. 993 00:39:55,066 --> 00:39:56,900 The whole universe is at stake! 994 00:39:56,901 --> 00:39:59,269 See you next time on "Crisis Aftermath".