1 00:00:00,053 --> 00:00:02,652 This whole series of events 2 00:00:02,653 --> 00:00:05,892 began with a deliberate decision by a senior officer 3 00:00:05,893 --> 00:00:07,732 to breach the PACE code. 4 00:00:07,733 --> 00:00:09,052 Do you want another one? 5 00:00:09,053 --> 00:00:10,612 Another one? 6 00:00:10,613 --> 00:00:15,497 What resulted was not admissible evidence in a criminal trial. 7 00:00:15,498 --> 00:00:18,639 We should still be OK with the case against him for Sian. 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,052 We have the DNA evidence. 9 00:00:20,053 --> 00:00:22,252 Her blood in his car, his DNA on her body. 10 00:00:22,253 --> 00:00:23,536 What about Becky? 11 00:00:23,537 --> 00:00:26,052 The confession evidence is all we had. 12 00:00:26,053 --> 00:00:27,892 And, er, I'm afraid, without that, 13 00:00:27,893 --> 00:00:30,092 we'll have to take her name off the indictment. 14 00:00:30,093 --> 00:00:32,530 Well, this is Fulcher's fault! 15 00:00:32,531 --> 00:00:34,350 Usual deal. None of what we talk about 16 00:00:34,351 --> 00:00:36,092 can be used by ITV until after the verdict. 17 00:00:36,093 --> 00:00:38,052 Yeah, agreed. 18 00:00:38,053 --> 00:00:40,052 Well, he's a serial killer, Rob. 19 00:00:40,053 --> 00:00:41,502 I am convinced of it. 20 00:00:41,503 --> 00:00:45,840 His big hero was that Myra Hindley off the Moors Murders. 21 00:00:45,841 --> 00:00:48,892 I want to make a complaint about one of your police officers. 22 00:00:48,893 --> 00:00:50,052 Well, it's a complaint, Steve. 23 00:00:50,053 --> 00:00:52,052 We'll have to decide whether it constitutes 24 00:00:52,053 --> 00:00:53,859 just misconduct or gross misconduct. 25 00:00:53,860 --> 00:00:56,412 - Really? - He said they were gunning for him. 26 00:00:56,413 --> 00:00:59,052 He felt abandoned by Wiltshire Police, cut adrift. 27 00:00:59,053 --> 00:01:01,052 But where is Becky in the pecking order? 28 00:01:01,053 --> 00:01:02,793 Right down at the bottom, where she's always been. 29 00:01:02,794 --> 00:01:05,432 So you go back and you tell your bosses, no, I am not satisfied. 30 00:01:05,433 --> 00:01:06,792 Not at all. 31 00:01:06,793 --> 00:01:07,793 I had a word with Mike. 32 00:01:07,794 --> 00:01:10,792 Unfortunately, he's already referred it to the IPCC. 33 00:01:10,793 --> 00:01:12,792 They're going to charge you. 34 00:01:12,793 --> 00:01:14,793 Gross misconduct. 35 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,999 _ 36 00:01:23,791 --> 00:01:29,228 _ 37 00:01:29,253 --> 00:01:31,064 _ 38 00:01:31,793 --> 00:01:34,393 - Happy anniversary! - Oh... 39 00:01:35,793 --> 00:01:37,792 - Thank you very much. - Happy anniversary, Mum. 40 00:01:37,793 --> 00:01:38,993 Happy anniversary, Dad. 41 00:01:39,546 --> 00:01:41,546 Oh, that's lovely! 42 00:01:42,793 --> 00:01:44,792 Oh, thank you. That's beautiful. 43 00:01:44,793 --> 00:01:47,632 - They helped me choose it. Didn't you? - Just a little bit. 44 00:01:47,633 --> 00:01:49,793 - Thank you. - Thank you. 45 00:01:51,962 --> 00:01:53,122 Ah-ha! 46 00:01:53,147 --> 00:01:55,147 I've always wanted... 47 00:01:55,793 --> 00:01:58,792 It's got a little red light that flashes if you're too stressed 48 00:01:58,793 --> 00:02:01,792 - and you press it too hard. - Do you think I'm stressed? 49 00:02:01,793 --> 00:02:04,792 - Mm, maybe... - And I thought I was hiding it. 50 00:02:05,833 --> 00:02:08,792 - Maybe a little bit. - Keep out of it, you. 51 00:02:08,793 --> 00:02:12,060 - The card's from all three of us. - Thank you very much. 52 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:20,792 - We're behind you. - Thank you. 53 00:02:20,793 --> 00:02:23,540 - Happy anniversary. - Mm-hm. 54 00:02:24,793 --> 00:02:26,340 That helps me a lot, I'll tell you. 55 00:02:27,419 --> 00:02:29,419 We have statements from prostitutes 56 00:02:29,444 --> 00:02:33,012 putting Halliwell with Becky in the lead-up to the murder. 57 00:02:33,037 --> 00:02:34,983 We have the guy he shared a cell with 58 00:02:35,008 --> 00:02:38,001 saying that he liked to strangle women during sex. 59 00:02:38,002 --> 00:02:39,095 It's all there. 60 00:02:39,096 --> 00:02:41,632 Eight murders, he told his mate on the phone. 61 00:02:41,633 --> 00:02:43,472 Now, we know about two. 62 00:02:43,473 --> 00:02:45,264 Who's out there looking for the other six? 63 00:02:45,265 --> 00:02:48,500 It's not me. I'm sat on my arse on restricted duties. 64 00:02:49,793 --> 00:02:52,792 Have they, er, set a date for your disciplinary hearing? 65 00:02:52,793 --> 00:02:54,633 Before the end of the year. 66 00:02:56,220 --> 00:02:57,793 Meanwhile, I'm in total... 67 00:02:58,793 --> 00:03:00,420 ...limbo. 68 00:03:00,793 --> 00:03:02,793 No case, no team. 69 00:03:03,793 --> 00:03:05,632 The knives are out for me, too. 70 00:03:05,633 --> 00:03:07,792 - What? - Mike Veale suddenly announced to me 71 00:03:07,793 --> 00:03:09,792 that he didn't need me as a staff officer any more. 72 00:03:09,793 --> 00:03:11,549 He thought I'd resign. 73 00:03:11,550 --> 00:03:12,792 I refused to. 74 00:03:12,793 --> 00:03:16,792 Then I find this week that he's appointed a new staff officer. 75 00:03:16,793 --> 00:03:18,312 It's a joke. 76 00:03:18,313 --> 00:03:21,100 I mean, this is my problem. They can't go after you, too. 77 00:03:23,180 --> 00:03:25,792 I'm going to have this out with them. 78 00:03:25,793 --> 00:03:27,740 Steve, don't. Steve... 79 00:03:28,153 --> 00:03:30,812 - Pat, can I have a quick word? - Steve... 80 00:03:30,813 --> 00:03:32,472 Listen, I know there's a lot of flak flying around, 81 00:03:32,473 --> 00:03:33,792 but it's not fair to... 82 00:03:33,793 --> 00:03:35,792 What's wrong with your phone? I've been trying to call you. 83 00:03:35,793 --> 00:03:38,104 - I had it on charge. - Mike Veale wants to see you. 84 00:03:38,105 --> 00:03:39,350 OK. 85 00:03:39,351 --> 00:03:41,060 I'll tell him you're on your way. 86 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 - 25 years Halliwell got. - That's Karen. 87 00:03:45,856 --> 00:03:49,000 He'll get out, so he'll have plenty of his life in front of him. 88 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,999 I feel for her, of course I do. But... 89 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,999 Fulcher broke the law. 90 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 You know that. 91 00:03:55,001 --> 00:03:57,999 I don't really know what I think any more, to be honest. 92 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,679 I know I'd rather not get into this right here and now with Karen. 93 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,501 - I'll sign. - Oh, thank you. 94 00:04:03,526 --> 00:04:05,206 Thank you very much. 95 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,999 You're actually the first. That's... It's all my family there. 96 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 That's... That's me at the top. 97 00:04:13,833 --> 00:04:15,020 Thank you. 98 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,740 - _ - 25 years... 99 00:04:25,220 --> 00:04:27,580 ...Halliwell got. And he'll get out. 100 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,999 Mike wanted to see me? 101 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,200 Oh, right, Steve. Just a minute. 102 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Mike will see you now. 103 00:04:47,686 --> 00:04:48,686 Thank you. 104 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,519 Hello, Steve. Come in. Sit down. 105 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:55,000 - Mike. Kier. - Steve. 106 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,199 I asked DCS Pritchard to be here this morning 107 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,200 to make a note of everything. 108 00:05:02,380 --> 00:05:04,999 Now, I have to tell you, Steve, that I am suspending you from duty 109 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,840 with immediate effect. 110 00:05:07,460 --> 00:05:08,999 It's been brought to my attention 111 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,519 that you had an unauthorised meeting with a member of the press, 112 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,679 the ITV journalist Rob Murphy, 113 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,999 during which you discussed Operation Mayan. 114 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,000 This is a meeting that you were expressly forbidden to attend. 115 00:05:20,576 --> 00:05:23,999 An officer from a neighbouring force happened to be in the pub that night 116 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,999 and witnessed the meeting and reported it to Kier. 117 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,999 Well, as you know, Steve, I expressly told you 118 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,220 you're not to do any interviews with journalists. 119 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:36,420 I don't recall any conversation along those lines, Kier. 120 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:38,999 I mentioned it at one of the routines recently. 121 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Mm-hm. 122 00:05:41,380 --> 00:05:42,999 Now, I consider this matter to be serious enough 123 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000 to warrant immediate suspension. 124 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,340 - Do you have anything to say? - No, I don't. 125 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Very well, could you please give me your pass and warrant card? 126 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,999 You will now be escorted from the premises by Tom, 127 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,384 who's waiting for you outside. 128 00:06:07,385 --> 00:06:08,730 He'll accompany you to your house 129 00:06:08,731 --> 00:06:10,839 to recover any force documents or property. 130 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:12,999 Do you understand what I've said to you? 131 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 I do. 132 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,359 I'll ask you again if you have anything to say. 133 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,000 I don't. 134 00:06:20,746 --> 00:06:22,746 Fine. That's everything. 135 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,999 Er, I'll take the phone. 136 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,000 - Can I at least call my wife? - I'm afraid not. 137 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Oh, could I have that, please, sir? 138 00:07:21,392 --> 00:07:22,392 Are you coming in? 139 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,680 Oh, it's Steve. 140 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,999 Maughan and Ned are here. 141 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,679 - Er, where's the laptop, please? - What's going on? 142 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,999 It's in the kitchen on the dining table. 143 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,123 Would you accompany me in there, please? 144 00:07:49,148 --> 00:07:50,954 - Steve...? - I've been suspended. 145 00:07:50,955 --> 00:07:53,680 What?! My mum and dad are in there. Can I get it for you? 146 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,000 I'm sorry. 147 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,839 Hi, folks. Hello. 148 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,000 - Hi, Steve. - Hello. 149 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,999 - Is this it? - Yes. 150 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,500 - Everything all right? - Yes, it's a work thing. 151 00:08:15,652 --> 00:08:18,131 And she was going round all of the toilets in the school 152 00:08:18,132 --> 00:08:20,331 and she slid under all the doors, locked them, 153 00:08:20,332 --> 00:08:23,131 and then slid back out again so that all the doors, 154 00:08:23,132 --> 00:08:25,131 all the toilets in the whole school were locked. 155 00:08:25,132 --> 00:08:26,491 - How stupid. - Mm, goodness. 156 00:08:26,492 --> 00:08:28,811 I mean, it's kind of silly for her to get expelled, 157 00:08:28,812 --> 00:08:30,921 because she's a good student, she's got good grades. 158 00:08:30,922 --> 00:08:33,049 It's not that big a deal, it's just a joke. 159 00:08:33,074 --> 00:08:34,234 Just cos she's your friend. 160 00:08:34,235 --> 00:08:36,994 Do you remember Amelia who was here last week? 161 00:08:36,995 --> 00:08:39,219 - Oh, yeah. - You know, the really bitchy one. 162 00:08:39,220 --> 00:08:41,153 - She's not really bitchy. - Yes, she is. 163 00:08:41,154 --> 00:08:43,635 She's not that bad. But she's started to... 164 00:08:50,468 --> 00:08:51,948 Don't worry. 165 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,389 _ 166 00:08:59,390 --> 00:09:00,634 Er, would you like to come through? 167 00:09:00,635 --> 00:09:02,155 Thank you. 168 00:09:04,128 --> 00:09:06,128 Thank you for coming to see me, Mrs Edwards. 169 00:09:06,635 --> 00:09:09,634 The IPCC is an independent body 170 00:09:09,635 --> 00:09:13,634 that's been set up to examine complaints against the police. 171 00:09:13,635 --> 00:09:17,634 I've asked you to come and see me today to discuss a complaint 172 00:09:17,635 --> 00:09:21,154 that has been made against the officer leading the investigation 173 00:09:21,155 --> 00:09:23,314 into the murder of your daughter Rebecca. 174 00:09:23,315 --> 00:09:25,438 Against Steve Fulcher? 175 00:09:25,439 --> 00:09:28,437 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, that's correct. 176 00:09:28,438 --> 00:09:31,437 I wanted to know if you wanted to add your name 177 00:09:31,438 --> 00:09:32,700 to the complaint against him. 178 00:09:34,438 --> 00:09:36,798 Who's made this complaint? 179 00:09:37,180 --> 00:09:39,437 Rebecca's father, John Godden. 180 00:09:39,438 --> 00:09:41,437 You're joking! John?! 181 00:09:41,438 --> 00:09:43,437 Oh, you've got to be kidding! That's... 182 00:09:43,438 --> 00:09:44,820 Have you met John Godden? 183 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:47,437 All complaints about the police 184 00:09:47,438 --> 00:09:49,939 must be dealt with without prejudice. 185 00:09:49,964 --> 00:09:53,117 And it has been deemed that the points Mr Godden has raised 186 00:09:53,118 --> 00:09:55,437 are serious enough to warrant an investigation. 187 00:09:55,438 --> 00:09:58,437 Specifically, Detective Superintendent Fulcher's failure 188 00:09:58,438 --> 00:10:00,686 to apply the rules of PACE 189 00:10:00,687 --> 00:10:04,229 to his interview with the chief suspect Christopher Halliwell 190 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:06,662 and prevented justice for his daughter. 191 00:10:06,663 --> 00:10:10,117 But if it wasn't for Steve Fulcher we'd never have found our daughter. 192 00:10:10,118 --> 00:10:11,688 So, how does he work that one out? 193 00:10:11,689 --> 00:10:14,437 So, you don't agree with your ex-husband's view 194 00:10:14,438 --> 00:10:17,090 about Chief Superintendent Fulcher's conduct? 195 00:10:17,091 --> 00:10:18,897 No. We bloody don't. 196 00:10:18,898 --> 00:10:21,437 If Mrs Edwards could answer the question, please. 197 00:10:21,438 --> 00:10:23,034 No, I bloody well don't! 198 00:10:23,035 --> 00:10:24,437 We've got to help him, Charlie. 199 00:10:24,438 --> 00:10:26,437 We can't leave him to be thrown to the wolves. 200 00:10:26,438 --> 00:10:27,438 You know, I'm sure it suits them 201 00:10:27,439 --> 00:10:29,124 to make out he's the one that messed up. 202 00:10:29,125 --> 00:10:31,064 You know, "It's not us, it's him." 203 00:10:31,065 --> 00:10:33,437 But you can't take on everyone, Karen. 204 00:10:33,438 --> 00:10:34,957 So, they're after Steve's blood. 205 00:10:34,958 --> 00:10:37,109 But the man who murdered Becky has got away with it. 206 00:10:37,110 --> 00:10:39,438 - How do you work that one out? - Come on, love, get in. 207 00:10:41,631 --> 00:10:44,631 No, justice for Steve is justice for Becky. 208 00:10:58,958 --> 00:11:00,906 It's only a bloody can of Coke. 209 00:11:00,907 --> 00:11:02,438 He just had to ask first. 210 00:11:02,980 --> 00:11:06,438 And I have told him that time and time again. 211 00:11:09,438 --> 00:11:11,934 He has no male role model in his life. 212 00:11:11,935 --> 00:11:14,740 Mick only sees him every other weekend. 213 00:11:15,438 --> 00:11:19,437 To all intents and purposes, I'm his father now. 214 00:11:19,438 --> 00:11:21,437 Let me in, Elaine. 215 00:11:21,438 --> 00:11:22,729 I want to help. 216 00:11:30,438 --> 00:11:32,437 Lauren! 217 00:11:32,438 --> 00:11:35,437 - I was just passing. - Come in. It's so lovely to see you. 218 00:11:35,438 --> 00:11:36,438 Come in. 219 00:11:41,118 --> 00:11:44,438 - Are you going to come and say hello? - I'm all right in here. 220 00:11:46,378 --> 00:11:48,378 Elaine... This is my daughter. 221 00:11:48,660 --> 00:11:51,437 - We don't get on, Pete. - Yeah, I know. 222 00:11:51,438 --> 00:11:53,438 But can't you just be the bigger person? 223 00:11:59,438 --> 00:12:01,700 Come on, love, let's go through. 224 00:12:02,058 --> 00:12:03,758 _ 225 00:12:12,031 --> 00:12:13,551 Hello? 226 00:12:14,438 --> 00:12:15,840 Of course. 227 00:12:15,841 --> 00:12:17,438 OK, he's ready to see you now. 228 00:12:17,820 --> 00:12:19,437 Thank you very much. 229 00:12:19,438 --> 00:12:21,437 This is a great pleasure to meet you, Mr Edwards. 230 00:12:21,438 --> 00:12:22,438 - Charlie. - Please... 231 00:12:22,439 --> 00:12:24,437 Thank you very much for seeing us, Mr Buckland. 232 00:12:24,438 --> 00:12:26,437 - Not at all. - I know you must be very busy. 233 00:12:26,438 --> 00:12:28,618 You've got all the documents I sent you. 234 00:12:28,619 --> 00:12:30,437 - Mm. - I feel very passionate about this. 235 00:12:30,438 --> 00:12:33,117 Halliwell must be prosecuted for the murder of my daughter. 236 00:12:33,118 --> 00:12:35,797 Not just so Becky gets justice, but cos the police officer involved, 237 00:12:35,798 --> 00:12:38,931 Detective Superintendent Fulcher, because it's not fair 238 00:12:38,932 --> 00:12:40,937 that he should be facing losing his career over this 239 00:12:40,938 --> 00:12:43,437 - when all he did was try to save... - Karen, not all at once. 240 00:12:43,438 --> 00:12:45,438 You're bombarding the man. 241 00:12:46,438 --> 00:12:48,117 Sorry. It's just, once I start, I... 242 00:12:48,118 --> 00:12:49,820 ...I find it hard to stop. 243 00:12:51,291 --> 00:12:54,291 But what I wanted to say, and I know you're a lawyer yourself, 244 00:12:54,740 --> 00:12:57,438 is I think there's a grey area here with PACE. 245 00:12:58,060 --> 00:12:59,438 I agree. 246 00:13:00,438 --> 00:13:01,980 You agree? 247 00:13:02,438 --> 00:13:03,438 Yes. 248 00:13:03,439 --> 00:13:05,820 Yeah, I think PACE does need to be looked at. 249 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:08,117 So... 250 00:13:08,118 --> 00:13:09,437 ...can you help us? 251 00:13:09,438 --> 00:13:11,437 You've started a petition? 252 00:13:11,438 --> 00:13:14,437 Yes, we've got over 7,000 signatures so far. 253 00:13:14,438 --> 00:13:17,437 Right, you need to get that number up as high as you possibly can. 254 00:13:17,438 --> 00:13:18,438 If I'm to lobby the Government, 255 00:13:18,439 --> 00:13:20,437 the higher the number, the more they'll take notice. 256 00:13:20,438 --> 00:13:23,437 And you also need to keep on doing your radio and TV interviews 257 00:13:23,438 --> 00:13:24,980 whenever you get the chance. 258 00:13:25,478 --> 00:13:28,437 You see, the more the campaign features in the press, 259 00:13:28,438 --> 00:13:30,533 the likelihood increases that the Government 260 00:13:30,534 --> 00:13:33,437 could ask Wiltshire Police Service some awkward questions. 261 00:13:33,438 --> 00:13:35,437 Oh, right. 262 00:13:35,438 --> 00:13:36,957 You need to be visible, Mrs Edwards, 263 00:13:36,958 --> 00:13:39,437 and make people aware of PACE's limitations. 264 00:13:39,438 --> 00:13:41,478 But to answer your question simply, then... 265 00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:44,580 ...yes, I'd like to try and help you. 266 00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:49,260 Oh, thank you! Thank you very much, Mr Buckland! 267 00:13:53,438 --> 00:13:55,437 - Hey. - Hi! 268 00:13:55,438 --> 00:13:57,020 Hi, how are you doing? 269 00:13:58,438 --> 00:13:59,438 Nice to see you. 270 00:13:59,439 --> 00:14:01,437 Can I get you a drink? 271 00:14:01,438 --> 00:14:03,437 - Erm, red wine. - Mm-hm. 272 00:14:03,438 --> 00:14:04,438 Thank you. 273 00:14:04,439 --> 00:14:06,437 They've sent a file off to the Crown Prosecution Service 274 00:14:06,438 --> 00:14:08,437 for a criminal prosecution against you. 275 00:14:08,438 --> 00:14:10,437 Criminal? What for? 276 00:14:10,438 --> 00:14:11,861 Malfeasance in a public office. 277 00:14:11,862 --> 00:14:13,043 Malfeasance?! 278 00:14:13,068 --> 00:14:14,437 They want to put him in prison now? 279 00:14:14,438 --> 00:14:16,824 Malfeasance is about abuse of office. 280 00:14:16,825 --> 00:14:18,794 Trying to find Sian alive 281 00:14:18,795 --> 00:14:21,438 and trying to recover the body of a missing girl isn't malfeasance. 282 00:14:21,900 --> 00:14:24,437 I mean, if that's the case, who is the victim? 283 00:14:24,438 --> 00:14:26,437 Hm? It'd have to be Halliwell. 284 00:14:26,438 --> 00:14:29,437 The prosecution case would have to be that, but for my actions, 285 00:14:29,438 --> 00:14:31,437 poor old Christopher Halliwell would be a free man. 286 00:14:31,438 --> 00:14:34,957 Well, the CPS threw it out. But it shows you their mind-set. 287 00:14:34,958 --> 00:14:36,493 Seems they want to get you for something. 288 00:14:36,518 --> 00:14:37,738 I'm going to the loo. 289 00:14:37,739 --> 00:14:39,438 I may well throw up. 290 00:14:43,980 --> 00:14:46,278 This is driving her mad. 291 00:14:47,438 --> 00:14:49,278 She wants me to resign. 292 00:14:50,278 --> 00:14:53,437 And do what? I've been a detective for more than 20 years. 293 00:14:53,438 --> 00:14:55,277 Please, don't jump yet, Steve. 294 00:14:55,278 --> 00:14:57,021 At least wait until you see a lawyer 295 00:14:57,022 --> 00:14:58,727 about your defence for the disciplinary hearing. 296 00:14:58,728 --> 00:15:01,437 Hear what he has to say. I can't believe they won't exonerate you 297 00:15:01,438 --> 00:15:03,437 - once they hear the evidence. - Mm-hm. 298 00:15:03,438 --> 00:15:05,797 What's happening to you is horrible and unfair. 299 00:15:05,798 --> 00:15:07,438 But you mustn't give in. 300 00:15:08,124 --> 00:15:11,124 I'm not an expert and I've never done anything like this before. 301 00:15:11,438 --> 00:15:14,437 And I've discovered I actually hate the sound of my own voice. 302 00:15:16,438 --> 00:15:18,980 But I am a mother who has lost her daughter. 303 00:15:19,798 --> 00:15:22,620 And I feel that gives me the right to speak my mind. 304 00:15:23,438 --> 00:15:27,100 Because I am absolutely raging about this inside. 305 00:15:28,540 --> 00:15:30,317 My daughter had her problems. 306 00:15:30,318 --> 00:15:33,117 But that doesn't mean she doesn't deserve justice. 307 00:15:33,118 --> 00:15:36,880 That doesn't mean we should treat her any differently to anybody else 308 00:15:36,881 --> 00:15:39,438 who's had their life snatched away from them. 309 00:15:40,438 --> 00:15:45,437 I'm asking the Government to urgently review Code C of PACE, 310 00:15:45,438 --> 00:15:49,437 which covers the detention, treatment and questioning 311 00:15:49,438 --> 00:15:51,438 of suspects by police officers. 312 00:15:52,438 --> 00:15:56,437 PACE is nearly 30 years old and it was brought in because of concerns 313 00:15:56,438 --> 00:15:59,162 over the way the police were behaving with people in custody. 314 00:15:59,163 --> 00:16:01,060 Which I understand. 315 00:16:01,438 --> 00:16:03,437 But what Steve Fulcher faced 316 00:16:03,438 --> 00:16:05,637 were a very, very unusual set of circumstances. 317 00:16:05,638 --> 00:16:09,117 And I feel there should be more flexibility 318 00:16:09,118 --> 00:16:12,580 when police officers arrest people in situations like that. 319 00:16:13,780 --> 00:16:16,437 Because I don't want anybody else to suffer 320 00:16:16,438 --> 00:16:18,438 what we have been through as a family. 321 00:16:20,351 --> 00:16:22,351 Thank you. Thank you very much. 322 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,990 _ 323 00:16:27,014 --> 00:16:30,914 _ 324 00:16:38,438 --> 00:16:39,477 - I love you. - I love you, too. 325 00:16:39,478 --> 00:16:40,638 See you soon. 326 00:16:50,438 --> 00:16:52,437 Excuse me, it's Karen, isn't it? I'm Yvonne. 327 00:16:52,438 --> 00:16:54,437 Steve's wife. I just want to say hello. 328 00:16:54,438 --> 00:16:56,437 Oh, how lovely to meet you. 329 00:16:56,438 --> 00:16:58,437 This is my husband Charlie. 330 00:16:58,438 --> 00:17:00,437 I am so sorry Steve's having to go through this. 331 00:17:00,438 --> 00:17:02,917 In my opinion, it's an absolute disgrace 332 00:17:02,918 --> 00:17:05,437 and please don't think we had anything to do with it. 333 00:17:05,438 --> 00:17:07,437 This is all down to him. And when I heard he'd made a complaint, 334 00:17:07,438 --> 00:17:09,437 after all Steve has done for us, 335 00:17:09,438 --> 00:17:11,437 I could have wrung his neck. 336 00:17:11,438 --> 00:17:13,820 Nice to meet you. Erm, I was going to go outside. 337 00:17:13,821 --> 00:17:16,277 - I'm not allowed to stay in here. - Oh, that's ridiculous. 338 00:17:16,278 --> 00:17:18,437 Don't you worry, love. We'll look after him. 339 00:17:18,438 --> 00:17:19,438 Thanks. 340 00:17:24,438 --> 00:17:25,956 Good morning, everyone. 341 00:17:25,957 --> 00:17:28,437 I am Chief Constable Andy Parker from Warwickshire Police 342 00:17:28,438 --> 00:17:30,029 and I'll be chairing this hearing. 343 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:32,437 There are some of you that I haven't met before. 344 00:17:32,438 --> 00:17:34,637 I wonder if we can begin by you telling us your names? 345 00:17:34,638 --> 00:17:37,437 Anna Proctor, IPCC. 346 00:17:37,438 --> 00:17:38,438 Thank you. 347 00:17:38,439 --> 00:17:41,278 - The gentleman at the back? - Er... 348 00:17:42,011 --> 00:17:44,331 My name is John Godden. 349 00:17:44,356 --> 00:17:46,356 Father of Rebecca Godden. 350 00:17:49,060 --> 00:17:51,540 David Godden, John's brother. 351 00:17:53,351 --> 00:17:56,351 Karen Edwards, mother of Rebecca Godden-Edwards. 352 00:17:56,376 --> 00:17:59,083 Could you just hang on a minute, cos I...? 353 00:17:59,108 --> 00:18:00,441 I think I'm on the wrong side here. 354 00:18:00,478 --> 00:18:03,006 Cos I don't want to be associated with this lot. 355 00:18:03,007 --> 00:18:05,059 Because we're here to support Steve Fulcher. 356 00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:07,118 So, were going to... Come on, Charlie. 357 00:18:08,791 --> 00:18:09,791 Thank you. 358 00:18:12,438 --> 00:18:14,660 Thank you. Carry on. 359 00:18:19,438 --> 00:18:21,437 The first allegation concerns a complaint 360 00:18:21,438 --> 00:18:23,437 brought against you by Mr Godden. 361 00:18:23,438 --> 00:18:25,437 It is alleged that your behaviour, 362 00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:28,936 when dealing with Mr Halliwell on 24th March, 2011, 363 00:18:28,937 --> 00:18:31,829 fell below the standards of professional behaviour 364 00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:34,438 required of an officer of your standing. 365 00:18:35,791 --> 00:18:37,791 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 366 00:18:38,860 --> 00:18:40,478 I deny the allegation. 367 00:18:41,060 --> 00:18:42,437 Allegation two. 368 00:18:42,438 --> 00:18:45,437 It is alleged by your employer, Wiltshire Police, 369 00:18:45,438 --> 00:18:48,478 that, by having inappropriate contact with the media, 370 00:18:48,780 --> 00:18:52,437 your conduct again fell below the same standards. 371 00:18:52,438 --> 00:18:54,437 Do you admit or deny the allegation? 372 00:18:54,438 --> 00:18:55,957 I deny the allegation. 373 00:18:55,958 --> 00:18:59,437 The provisions of PACE are quite clear, Mr Fulcher. 374 00:18:59,438 --> 00:19:01,604 I mean, they're there to protect the rights of all of us. 375 00:19:01,605 --> 00:19:03,720 - Yes. - Yet, you did not caution 376 00:19:03,745 --> 00:19:06,277 Christopher Halliwell as the law dictates. 377 00:19:06,278 --> 00:19:07,437 Now, why not? 378 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:09,438 Because I felt it was disingenuous 379 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:14,715 to begin an interview with Halliwell in those circumstances by saying, 380 00:19:14,716 --> 00:19:15,957 "You don't have to say anything." 381 00:19:15,958 --> 00:19:18,117 I felt his right to silence 382 00:19:18,118 --> 00:19:20,438 directly conflicted with Sian's right to life. 383 00:19:21,438 --> 00:19:23,953 Er, a little while later, Halliwell says to you, 384 00:19:23,954 --> 00:19:27,277 "Do you want another one?" Now, what did you understand this to mean? 385 00:19:27,278 --> 00:19:30,437 It wasn't actually clear, initially, what it meant. 386 00:19:30,438 --> 00:19:32,437 Well, if it wasn't clear, wouldn't it have been better 387 00:19:32,438 --> 00:19:34,046 to arrest him for Sian, caution him, 388 00:19:34,047 --> 00:19:36,437 and then clarify things on the other one back at the police station? 389 00:19:36,438 --> 00:19:38,437 But they wouldn't have been clarified, would they? 390 00:19:38,438 --> 00:19:41,437 His solicitor would've advised him to go, "No comment," 391 00:19:41,438 --> 00:19:43,627 - and that would've been that. - Not necessarily. 392 00:19:43,628 --> 00:19:45,437 He could've been properly cautioned, brought back to the station 393 00:19:45,438 --> 00:19:47,740 and then revealed the victim's whereabouts. 394 00:19:48,438 --> 00:19:50,477 That's the difference between theory and practice. 395 00:19:50,478 --> 00:19:53,437 I mean, in practice, that has never happened. 396 00:19:53,438 --> 00:19:54,797 Not once, in my whole career. 397 00:19:54,798 --> 00:19:57,771 Now, if you had arrested him and cautioned him at that point, 398 00:19:57,772 --> 00:19:59,277 then everything that followed 399 00:19:59,278 --> 00:20:00,797 would have remained admissible in evidence. 400 00:20:00,798 --> 00:20:04,117 Not to do so was a gross error of judgment on your part, wasn't it? 401 00:20:04,118 --> 00:20:05,438 I don't believe it was, no. 402 00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:14,437 I feel like a madman in a roomful of people who don't understand me. 403 00:20:14,438 --> 00:20:18,118 I'm saying the same thing over and over again and nobody's listening. 404 00:20:28,578 --> 00:20:32,205 Mr Geenty, you've always supported Steve Fulcher's reasoning 405 00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:34,777 for not cautioning Christopher Halliwell, haven't you? 406 00:20:34,778 --> 00:20:37,577 I have no doubt about his good faith that day. 407 00:20:37,578 --> 00:20:40,577 Yes, but his judgment, his reasoning. 408 00:20:40,578 --> 00:20:44,577 At the pre-trial hearing, before the Sian O'Callaghan trial, you said, 409 00:20:44,578 --> 00:20:48,212 "I think the decision Steve made was, 410 00:20:48,213 --> 00:20:51,911 "to use the slang, a gutsy decision. 411 00:20:51,912 --> 00:20:54,577 "And I'd like to think I would make a similar decision 412 00:20:54,578 --> 00:20:56,577 "in the same circumstances." 413 00:20:56,578 --> 00:20:58,577 Well, that was when he was still hoping 414 00:20:58,578 --> 00:21:00,417 that Sian might be found alive. 415 00:21:00,418 --> 00:21:01,577 We all were. 416 00:21:01,578 --> 00:21:03,577 But I disagree with his judgment 417 00:21:03,578 --> 00:21:06,578 when it came to him being offered information about the second body. 418 00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:11,577 That is where I think PACE and the protection of the suspect 419 00:21:11,578 --> 00:21:13,577 would have become paramount 420 00:21:13,578 --> 00:21:16,577 because tragically, at that point, when he knew Sian was dead, 421 00:21:16,578 --> 00:21:19,577 the urgent interview provision no longer applied. 422 00:21:19,578 --> 00:21:22,875 So you agree with his actions in relation to Sian, but not to Becky? 423 00:21:22,876 --> 00:21:26,577 No, I believe, at that point, in the heat of the moment, 424 00:21:26,578 --> 00:21:28,260 he could not have been thinking clearly. 425 00:21:28,261 --> 00:21:31,020 So what are you saying, then? That Becky doesn't matter? 426 00:21:32,938 --> 00:21:35,577 Would it be fair to say that Steve Fulcher 427 00:21:35,578 --> 00:21:39,417 was by far the most experienced SIO that Wiltshire had 428 00:21:39,418 --> 00:21:41,577 at the point of the Sian and Becky investigation? 429 00:21:41,578 --> 00:21:44,920 Steve has demonstrated that he has a solid track record. 430 00:21:44,921 --> 00:21:47,577 And that, whatever else this case is about, 431 00:21:47,578 --> 00:21:51,577 there is no doubt that he is an outstandingly good police officer. 432 00:21:51,578 --> 00:21:54,010 He is a very competent officer, yes. 433 00:21:54,011 --> 00:21:56,937 Now, in spite of the fact that it's normal for senior officers 434 00:21:56,938 --> 00:21:59,577 to give off-the-record media briefings, 435 00:21:59,578 --> 00:22:02,577 you say you had a conversation with Steve Fulcher 436 00:22:02,578 --> 00:22:06,152 to tell him of an order by the then Deputy Chief Constable Geenty 437 00:22:06,153 --> 00:22:08,577 that he wasn't to do any interviews with journalists. 438 00:22:08,578 --> 00:22:09,937 That is correct, yes. 439 00:22:09,938 --> 00:22:12,777 You made an entry into your diary that day, didn't you? 440 00:22:12,778 --> 00:22:15,267 You record 16 points 441 00:22:15,268 --> 00:22:17,617 relating to various matters you'd discussed with him. 442 00:22:17,618 --> 00:22:20,577 But the one thing you haven't recorded 443 00:22:20,578 --> 00:22:22,282 is any mention of Steve Fulcher 444 00:22:22,283 --> 00:22:24,069 being told not to speak to the media. 445 00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:26,777 I spoke to Steve Fulcher about DCC Geenty's order 446 00:22:26,778 --> 00:22:29,220 at the end of the conversation. 447 00:22:30,258 --> 00:22:32,577 Those other points were from the first part of the conversation. 448 00:22:32,578 --> 00:22:34,577 But surely, Mr Geenty's order 449 00:22:34,578 --> 00:22:37,577 would've been the most important part of that conversation, 450 00:22:37,578 --> 00:22:40,777 based on the fact that Steve Fulcher stands here today 451 00:22:40,778 --> 00:22:43,577 with the prospect of losing his career because of it? 452 00:22:43,578 --> 00:22:45,577 I didn't feel it necessary to have recorded 453 00:22:45,578 --> 00:22:46,578 that part of the conversation. 454 00:22:46,579 --> 00:22:49,220 But I can assure you that it did happen. 455 00:22:50,258 --> 00:22:52,577 Is this actually misconduct at all? 456 00:22:52,578 --> 00:22:55,817 In both instances, the failure to caution Christopher Halliwell 457 00:22:55,818 --> 00:22:58,577 and the interviews Detective Superintendent Fulcher 458 00:22:58,578 --> 00:23:00,162 gave to the media, 459 00:23:00,163 --> 00:23:02,330 might not many members of the public say, 460 00:23:02,331 --> 00:23:06,985 "Surely, there are better ways for the police service and the IPCC 461 00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:08,577 "to deal with such matters? 462 00:23:08,578 --> 00:23:11,577 "Are you really satisfied, based on the evidence before you, 463 00:23:11,578 --> 00:23:14,577 "that you could take the steps to remove this man's career?" 464 00:23:14,578 --> 00:23:17,162 - Thank you, Mr Beggs. - Are there any questions 465 00:23:17,163 --> 00:23:19,577 from Rebecca's family members present today? 466 00:23:19,578 --> 00:23:22,578 Well, not from me. I'm very happy with how it's gone. 467 00:23:23,578 --> 00:23:26,577 - Mrs Edwards? - I agree with Mr Beggs. 468 00:23:26,578 --> 00:23:30,577 It seems ridiculous all this public money's been spent on this. 469 00:23:30,578 --> 00:23:32,097 Thank you, both. 470 00:23:32,098 --> 00:23:34,972 Well, we shall now retire to consider our judgment. 471 00:23:34,973 --> 00:23:37,577 You will be informed of our verdict in due course, 472 00:23:37,578 --> 00:23:39,577 when this hearing will reconvene. 473 00:23:39,578 --> 00:23:40,740 Thank you. 474 00:24:13,914 --> 00:24:15,618 Come on, you reds! 475 00:24:25,578 --> 00:24:27,577 My sister got in a cab with him. 476 00:24:27,578 --> 00:24:29,257 - With Halliwell? - Yeah. 477 00:24:29,258 --> 00:24:32,577 She seen his picture in the paper and she was sure it was him. 478 00:24:32,578 --> 00:24:35,577 She gets in his cab and he drives her the wrong way, 479 00:24:35,578 --> 00:24:38,577 out towards Savernake Forest, acting all weird, like. 480 00:24:38,578 --> 00:24:41,417 She screams and opens the door and someone sees them. 481 00:24:41,418 --> 00:24:43,207 And he pulls over and lets her out. 482 00:24:43,208 --> 00:24:45,577 Says he was just having a laugh with her. 483 00:24:45,578 --> 00:24:48,780 - She doesn't know how lucky she is. - Yeah, that's what my mum says. 484 00:24:50,578 --> 00:24:53,060 All right, thank you. Thank you. 485 00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:56,577 We just wanted to check that you were OK. 486 00:24:56,578 --> 00:24:58,578 See if you had any worries or questions. 487 00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:01,578 Thank you. It's much appreciated. 488 00:25:03,105 --> 00:25:06,526 I don't know if you're aware of what Karen Edwards is doing. 489 00:25:06,578 --> 00:25:07,980 She's got a petition going. 490 00:25:10,258 --> 00:25:11,618 I'm aware of it, yeah. 491 00:25:11,643 --> 00:25:15,443 Her support for Stephen Fulcher is very commendable, but... 492 00:25:15,468 --> 00:25:18,468 ...Wiltshire Police Service feel it is... 493 00:25:18,493 --> 00:25:19,853 ...misguided. 494 00:25:20,778 --> 00:25:24,098 Our position is that Fulcher shouldn't have breached PACE. 495 00:25:25,940 --> 00:25:27,578 Yeah, that's how we feel. 496 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:31,098 We would have found Sian's body anyway. 497 00:25:31,740 --> 00:25:33,060 That's good to know. 498 00:25:35,578 --> 00:25:38,777 We've heard from Karen's FLO that she would like to meet you. 499 00:25:38,778 --> 00:25:41,577 Would you be interested in us arranging that? 500 00:25:41,578 --> 00:25:43,578 No, I wouldn't. Thank you. 501 00:25:44,578 --> 00:25:46,780 After she got in the car with him... 502 00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:50,418 ...I keep wondering what happened to her after that. 503 00:25:53,031 --> 00:25:55,671 I torment myself wondering if it was quick. 504 00:25:59,020 --> 00:26:00,578 Erm... 505 00:26:01,171 --> 00:26:06,171 He pleaded guilty, so we didn't have to give a detailed account in court. 506 00:26:06,578 --> 00:26:08,417 Or at least... 507 00:26:08,418 --> 00:26:09,900 ...one that we could challenge. 508 00:26:11,578 --> 00:26:13,577 Did she know what he was going to do with her? 509 00:26:13,578 --> 00:26:14,578 Was she frightened? 510 00:26:17,111 --> 00:26:19,751 Halliwell said that he killed her quickly. 511 00:26:20,831 --> 00:26:22,831 Within a few minutes of setting off. 512 00:26:23,825 --> 00:26:26,345 She started struggling, so he stabbed her. 513 00:26:28,578 --> 00:26:29,578 Erm... 514 00:26:30,785 --> 00:26:32,745 I don't know if I believe him. 515 00:26:36,258 --> 00:26:38,578 She wasn't wearing her boots when you found her. 516 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:40,740 They were tight-fitting. 517 00:26:42,900 --> 00:26:44,618 When did they come off? Did...? 518 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:46,700 Did he start to undress her? 519 00:26:57,578 --> 00:27:00,578 I just keep playing it over and over in my head. 520 00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:08,180 Different scenarios and... 521 00:27:11,578 --> 00:27:13,578 ...I just see her face, Pete. 522 00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:17,578 Terrified. 523 00:27:20,860 --> 00:27:22,577 Come here... 524 00:27:22,578 --> 00:27:23,578 It's OK. 525 00:27:23,579 --> 00:27:24,618 Come here. 526 00:27:26,258 --> 00:27:27,578 Shh... 527 00:27:33,258 --> 00:27:35,258 I want to look after you, Elaine. 528 00:27:37,578 --> 00:27:39,780 I'm here for you, all right? 529 00:27:43,098 --> 00:27:47,300 Everything that's happened has just made me want to protect you. 530 00:27:54,052 --> 00:27:56,052 Why don't you pack it in at work? 531 00:27:58,438 --> 00:28:00,020 You hate that fucking job. 532 00:28:01,578 --> 00:28:02,900 I can support you. 533 00:28:08,578 --> 00:28:11,100 I want us to be together properly, Elaine. 534 00:28:15,871 --> 00:28:16,871 Mm. 535 00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:32,578 I have asked you not to smoke inside. 536 00:28:46,105 --> 00:28:48,745 Why don't you have a shower? 537 00:28:50,578 --> 00:28:53,044 Why don't you have a nice shower and we could go to Brighton? 538 00:28:53,045 --> 00:28:54,324 The girls are out tonight. 539 00:28:54,325 --> 00:28:56,264 We could have lunch and we wouldn't have to rush back. 540 00:28:56,265 --> 00:28:57,578 Do I smell, Yvonne? 541 00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:59,577 - What? - Or do I stink? 542 00:28:59,578 --> 00:29:01,578 Can you smell me from there? 543 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,577 I don't know what you're talking about. 544 00:29:03,578 --> 00:29:04,777 Oh, obfuscation. 545 00:29:04,778 --> 00:29:06,577 I can tell from your answer, 546 00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:08,578 or, more accurately, your... 547 00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:11,578 ...lack of an answer, that I don't. Therefore... 548 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,577 ...no need for me to shower. 549 00:29:13,578 --> 00:29:15,020 Is this you being funny? 550 00:29:16,578 --> 00:29:19,177 Anyway, I'm not allowed to leave the county 551 00:29:19,178 --> 00:29:20,577 without getting permission from them. 552 00:29:20,578 --> 00:29:22,071 - You're joking? - It's true. 553 00:29:22,072 --> 00:29:24,300 I have to ask them if I can leave Wiltshire. 554 00:29:28,578 --> 00:29:29,578 Well... 555 00:29:30,938 --> 00:29:32,098 OK. 556 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:44,577 What has happened to Steve Fulcher is nothing short of scandalous. 557 00:29:44,578 --> 00:29:48,257 Cos, without him, my daughter would be lying in a field somewhere 558 00:29:48,258 --> 00:29:50,577 without anyone knowing where she was. 559 00:29:50,578 --> 00:29:52,971 But he has been hounded from pillar to post 560 00:29:52,972 --> 00:29:55,306 while Christopher Halliwell, who murdered her, 561 00:29:55,307 --> 00:29:57,577 has never faced justice for what he did. 562 00:29:57,578 --> 00:30:00,577 Our Justice For Becky campaign is petitioning the Government 563 00:30:00,578 --> 00:30:01,617 to change the PACE law. 564 00:30:01,618 --> 00:30:05,577 So, please, sign our petition if you see us around Swindon. 565 00:30:05,578 --> 00:30:06,578 Not ideal. 566 00:30:06,579 --> 00:30:09,058 What, are you worried about a backlash 567 00:30:09,059 --> 00:30:12,577 if Karen Edwards' support for Steve Fulcher gains too much momentum? 568 00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:15,577 Because, I have to admit, it has crossed my mind. 569 00:30:15,578 --> 00:30:17,837 It's not great, from a PR point of view. 570 00:30:17,862 --> 00:30:18,975 No. 571 00:30:18,976 --> 00:30:22,257 Maybe we should have another think about the investigation. 572 00:30:22,258 --> 00:30:23,351 Yeah. 573 00:30:23,352 --> 00:30:26,097 I know we bicker, I know he can be... 574 00:30:26,098 --> 00:30:27,577 ...controlling. 575 00:30:27,578 --> 00:30:28,618 But... 576 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:30,578 ...he can be so sweet. 577 00:30:32,258 --> 00:30:33,577 He's picked me up when I was down. 578 00:30:33,578 --> 00:30:35,777 He's been there for me all through this. He's been my rock. 579 00:30:35,778 --> 00:30:38,098 He did force you to get that lump on your boob checked. 580 00:30:38,099 --> 00:30:39,577 I will give him that. 581 00:30:39,578 --> 00:30:42,577 And just when I think he's exactly what I need, 582 00:30:42,578 --> 00:30:45,257 things happen and I wonder if he is. 583 00:30:45,258 --> 00:30:47,577 We've had another row because he says Aiden 584 00:30:47,578 --> 00:30:50,577 took a can of Coke out of the fridge without asking. 585 00:30:50,578 --> 00:30:52,578 Really? A can of Coke? 586 00:30:53,638 --> 00:30:54,900 That's the, er... 587 00:30:55,778 --> 00:30:58,578 ...the police at Karen's. I wonder what they're there for. 588 00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:01,578 She asked to meet me, Karen. 589 00:31:02,578 --> 00:31:04,780 - What did you say? - No. 590 00:31:06,578 --> 00:31:08,820 I can't face her. I know I should, but... 591 00:31:10,578 --> 00:31:12,578 I can't really explain it. 592 00:31:13,504 --> 00:31:15,276 We have come across so many people 593 00:31:15,277 --> 00:31:17,355 who have given us information on Halliwell. 594 00:31:17,356 --> 00:31:19,188 People who say they got into his taxi with him 595 00:31:19,189 --> 00:31:20,617 and had scary experiences. 596 00:31:20,618 --> 00:31:24,051 People saying he got obsessed with women and would stalk them. 597 00:31:24,052 --> 00:31:26,577 People who can link him to girls who have gone missing. 598 00:31:26,578 --> 00:31:28,577 But it's all hearsay, Karen. 599 00:31:28,578 --> 00:31:31,360 People say they know someone who knew him 600 00:31:31,361 --> 00:31:33,577 or people who've heard something about him 601 00:31:33,578 --> 00:31:35,266 and not seen it for themselves. 602 00:31:35,267 --> 00:31:37,780 Nothing that would stand up in court. 603 00:31:39,498 --> 00:31:42,498 I'm sorry, but trying to play amateur detective 604 00:31:42,523 --> 00:31:46,261 and criticising Wiltshire Police in the media is not helping things. 605 00:31:46,286 --> 00:31:47,588 It's not all critical. 606 00:31:47,618 --> 00:31:51,979 I always tell everybody what a fantastic job Steve Fulcher did. 607 00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:53,577 And he is a Wiltshire police officer, isn't he? 608 00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,159 We're all in this together. 609 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:58,097 Now, I was speaking to Sian's mum Elaine the other day 610 00:31:58,098 --> 00:32:00,417 and she was saying the same thing. 611 00:32:00,418 --> 00:32:01,578 It's a team effort. 612 00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:05,577 Did you tell her I'd asked to meet her? 613 00:32:05,578 --> 00:32:07,578 - I did. - And what did she say? 614 00:32:09,438 --> 00:32:10,438 Er... 615 00:32:10,578 --> 00:32:13,578 She says it's not the right time for her at the moment. 616 00:32:19,492 --> 00:32:21,492 Well, my door is always open. 617 00:32:24,578 --> 00:32:26,577 When you spoke to the psychiatrist 618 00:32:26,578 --> 00:32:29,025 about those feelings of rage, Christopher, 619 00:32:29,026 --> 00:32:31,577 of being consumed by a single thought, 620 00:32:31,578 --> 00:32:34,820 did he talk about finding a harmless release mechanism? 621 00:32:35,791 --> 00:32:39,431 For example, to think of something that calms us down. 622 00:32:39,844 --> 00:32:42,100 Well, I told him I liked to go fishing. 623 00:32:43,578 --> 00:32:45,578 I used to love sitting there for hours on end. 624 00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:48,578 I find it very peaceful. 625 00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:50,578 And that's good. 626 00:32:51,578 --> 00:32:52,778 Yeah. 627 00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:55,578 I had this special place where I liked to fish. 628 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:57,578 Out in the woods. 629 00:32:58,512 --> 00:33:00,512 It was like my own private... 630 00:33:00,578 --> 00:33:02,578 I don't know what you'd call it. A sanctum. 631 00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:04,578 Yeah. 632 00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:07,578 I used to love going there. 633 00:33:08,578 --> 00:33:10,380 My special place. 634 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,700 _ 635 00:33:33,578 --> 00:33:35,116 The panel feels that 636 00:33:35,117 --> 00:33:37,235 the continuation of custody of Christopher Halliwell 637 00:33:37,236 --> 00:33:39,577 without caution or without any of the other safeguards 638 00:33:39,578 --> 00:33:41,417 afforded him by PACE, 639 00:33:41,418 --> 00:33:44,372 particularly when en route to the location of Rebecca Godden, 640 00:33:44,373 --> 00:33:45,577 cannot be justified. 641 00:33:45,578 --> 00:33:48,937 At such time as it became apparent that Sian O'Callaghan was dead, 642 00:33:48,938 --> 00:33:51,188 you should have stopped the car, turned it around 643 00:33:51,189 --> 00:33:53,257 and taken Halliwell into custody. 644 00:33:53,258 --> 00:33:56,018 And the panel has a wider duty to perform 645 00:33:56,019 --> 00:33:58,577 in respect to public confidence, 646 00:33:58,578 --> 00:34:01,167 and the message needs to be sent to other officers 647 00:34:01,168 --> 00:34:04,577 that a detective cannot ignore PACE to such an extent 648 00:34:04,578 --> 00:34:07,257 without being held fully to account. 649 00:34:07,258 --> 00:34:10,420 And we regard your conduct as gross misconduct. 650 00:34:11,418 --> 00:34:14,577 On allegation two, the panel concludes that, 651 00:34:14,578 --> 00:34:16,577 on the balance of probability, 652 00:34:16,578 --> 00:34:19,937 you were given an instruction by Chief Superintendent Pritchard 653 00:34:19,938 --> 00:34:21,577 to not give interviews to the media. 654 00:34:21,578 --> 00:34:24,134 This is not behaviour we would expect from a senior officer 655 00:34:24,135 --> 00:34:26,578 and we regard the conduct as gross misconduct. 656 00:34:28,205 --> 00:34:30,380 These breaches would justify dismissal. 657 00:34:31,578 --> 00:34:34,577 However, taking into account your previous exemplary record, 658 00:34:34,578 --> 00:34:37,820 the panel has concluded that the most appropriate sanction... 659 00:34:38,578 --> 00:34:40,578 ...is a final written warning. 660 00:34:44,578 --> 00:34:48,577 And I cannot stress how close you came to losing your job today. 661 00:34:48,578 --> 00:34:51,577 I do hope that you have learnt from this experience. 662 00:34:51,578 --> 00:34:53,417 It's not right what Fulcher did! 663 00:34:53,418 --> 00:34:56,419 Why should we have to pay with our pain because of his mistakes? 664 00:34:56,420 --> 00:34:58,578 I've been mentally scarred by this. 665 00:35:00,398 --> 00:35:03,009 It seems to me, come to Swindon and commit a murder 666 00:35:03,034 --> 00:35:04,423 cos you'll get away with it. 667 00:35:05,778 --> 00:35:07,860 I will never trust the police again. 668 00:35:08,938 --> 00:35:10,578 Never. 669 00:36:04,472 --> 00:36:06,472 I can start back as soon as possible. 670 00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:08,471 And you're actually going to? 671 00:36:08,472 --> 00:36:10,471 Well, what else am I going to do? 672 00:36:10,472 --> 00:36:13,020 I'm a police officer. It's all I... 673 00:36:14,472 --> 00:36:16,471 It's all I know, Yvonne! 674 00:36:16,472 --> 00:36:19,471 - And I am fucking good at it! - Good for you, Steve! 675 00:36:19,472 --> 00:36:21,020 Fuck everyone else! 676 00:36:37,940 --> 00:36:39,671 We're very pleased to have you here, Steve. 677 00:36:39,672 --> 00:36:40,991 Thank you. 678 00:36:40,992 --> 00:36:43,471 - You knew Ray Hayward, is that right? - Er, yes. 679 00:36:43,472 --> 00:36:44,472 Yes, I liked Ray. 680 00:36:44,473 --> 00:36:47,311 I met him many times in meetings. 681 00:36:47,312 --> 00:36:49,580 He always had an interesting take on things, you know. 682 00:36:50,472 --> 00:36:52,152 Here we are. 683 00:36:56,472 --> 00:36:58,471 Now, when the word went round that you were available, 684 00:36:58,472 --> 00:37:01,047 our previous Bobby Van manager has just retired. 685 00:37:01,048 --> 00:37:02,241 Mm-hm. 686 00:37:02,266 --> 00:37:04,839 - You're obviously a bit overqualified... - What exactly is Bobby Van? 687 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,671 It's a local initiative to get a van out 688 00:37:06,672 --> 00:37:09,471 to burglary and criminal damage victims 689 00:37:09,472 --> 00:37:12,471 - _ - to get their windows and doorsand suchlike fixed up. 690 00:37:12,472 --> 00:37:14,471 Mm-hm. Right. 691 00:37:14,472 --> 00:37:16,151 Well, I'll... 692 00:37:16,152 --> 00:37:17,472 I'll leave you to it. 693 00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:19,471 Give you a chance to get up to speed on everything. 694 00:37:19,472 --> 00:37:21,472 - Thank you. - OK. 695 00:37:30,472 --> 00:37:33,700 This is about justice for Becky. 696 00:37:34,472 --> 00:37:36,909 And justice for a brave police officer, 697 00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:40,471 whose career has been ruined just for doing his job. 698 00:37:40,472 --> 00:37:44,471 And over 40,000 people have signed our petition, 699 00:37:44,472 --> 00:37:47,472 and with the help of our local MP 700 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,511 we are delighted to be able to deliver our demand 701 00:37:50,512 --> 00:37:54,471 for a change in the law directly to Mr Cameron. 702 00:37:54,472 --> 00:37:58,180 And this must never be allowed to happen again. 703 00:37:58,472 --> 00:38:02,831 Will my Right Honourable friend join our cause for a thorough review 704 00:38:02,832 --> 00:38:06,151 of Code C of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act 705 00:38:06,152 --> 00:38:10,471 so that terrible situations like this will not happen again? 706 00:38:10,472 --> 00:38:13,471 I will look very carefully at what my honourable friend has raised 707 00:38:13,472 --> 00:38:15,831 and the specific case that he mentions, 708 00:38:15,832 --> 00:38:17,471 and look also at this issue 709 00:38:17,472 --> 00:38:19,299 of the Police And Criminal Evidence Act. 710 00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,852 It is always important that all information 711 00:38:21,853 --> 00:38:25,471 that possibly can be put in front of a court is put in front of the court 712 00:38:25,472 --> 00:38:27,471 so the court can reach the correct, er... 713 00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:29,152 ...the correct decision. 714 00:38:32,638 --> 00:38:35,471 I want you to know that it's OK to feel happy again. 715 00:38:35,472 --> 00:38:39,471 That, if something good happens, it's OK to smile 716 00:38:39,472 --> 00:38:41,471 or feel good inside. 717 00:38:41,472 --> 00:38:43,992 It's not betraying Sian to feel like that. 718 00:38:49,472 --> 00:38:51,471 Me and Pete have decided... 719 00:38:51,472 --> 00:38:53,471 ...that we make each other happy. 720 00:38:53,472 --> 00:38:55,472 So, we're going to get married. 721 00:38:57,071 --> 00:38:59,391 And I wanted to tell you before anyone else, 722 00:38:59,416 --> 00:39:01,416 so you can tell me how you feel about it. 723 00:39:04,472 --> 00:39:05,472 If it's what you want. 724 00:39:05,473 --> 00:39:07,900 - Mm. - I'm happy for you. 725 00:39:10,472 --> 00:39:11,980 Aiden? 726 00:39:12,472 --> 00:39:14,472 I'm glad that you want to marry Pete. 727 00:39:15,104 --> 00:39:17,104 I just want you to be happy, Mum. 728 00:40:02,572 --> 00:40:04,572 I've had enough, Steve. 729 00:40:07,372 --> 00:40:08,780 I can't take any more. 730 00:40:15,724 --> 00:40:17,724 - OK, if I retire early... - Mm-hm. 731 00:40:18,832 --> 00:40:20,472 ...my pension will be cut. 732 00:40:23,472 --> 00:40:26,312 - We wouldn't have enough to live on. - I don't care. 733 00:40:46,472 --> 00:40:47,472 Good to see you. 734 00:40:47,473 --> 00:40:49,472 So, this is where we are. Erm... 735 00:40:50,472 --> 00:40:52,471 Well, Mr Cameron was true to his word 736 00:40:52,472 --> 00:40:54,991 and he referred this to Theresa May, the Home Secretary. 737 00:40:54,992 --> 00:40:56,261 Excellent. 738 00:40:56,262 --> 00:40:59,471 And she referred it to Damian Green, the Policing Secretary. 739 00:40:59,472 --> 00:41:01,471 And he passed it on to ACPO, 740 00:41:01,472 --> 00:41:03,471 the Association of Chief Police Officers. 741 00:41:03,472 --> 00:41:05,471 - Right. - And they asked for comments 742 00:41:05,472 --> 00:41:08,471 from the relevant police service, Wiltshire. 743 00:41:08,472 --> 00:41:10,471 Then they went back to Damian Green with their recommendation 744 00:41:10,472 --> 00:41:12,980 for no action required. 745 00:41:15,238 --> 00:41:17,238 They advise that Section 11 of PACE 746 00:41:17,263 --> 00:41:20,263 is only applicable to a threat to life and the recovery of evidence 747 00:41:20,288 --> 00:41:22,288 and, therefore, didn't apply in this case. 748 00:41:23,672 --> 00:41:25,880 But that's exactly what Steve was doing. 749 00:41:25,905 --> 00:41:28,905 He was trying to save Sian and recover Becky's body. So... 750 00:41:29,472 --> 00:41:30,740 I'm very sorry. 751 00:41:32,472 --> 00:41:33,472 The pond itself. 752 00:41:33,473 --> 00:41:36,471 And as you can see, we've pulled out a lot of pieces of clothing. 753 00:41:36,472 --> 00:41:38,471 - That's quite a lot there. - It is. 754 00:41:38,472 --> 00:41:40,472 What are we up to now? 755 00:41:41,472 --> 00:41:44,311 About 20 items so far. But I expect that to go up. 756 00:41:44,312 --> 00:41:46,311 We're going to have another scan of the pond 757 00:41:46,312 --> 00:41:47,471 and see if we can pull anything else out. 758 00:41:47,472 --> 00:41:48,919 We might have missed one or two things. 759 00:41:48,944 --> 00:41:49,978 Sir! 760 00:41:50,472 --> 00:41:51,820 Yeah. 761 00:42:05,472 --> 00:42:06,620 OK. Excellent. 762 00:42:07,352 --> 00:42:09,352 I think that might be Sian's boot. 763 00:42:19,152 --> 00:42:20,860 It was nice of you to come round. 764 00:42:21,472 --> 00:42:24,831 I always felt that, with everything that happened, 765 00:42:24,832 --> 00:42:27,471 I never really got the chance to tell you how sorry I was 766 00:42:27,472 --> 00:42:28,472 about what happened to Ray. 767 00:42:30,472 --> 00:42:32,364 Well, it's not been easy for me, 768 00:42:32,389 --> 00:42:36,314 knowing that he was so desperate and that we couldn't help him. 769 00:42:36,315 --> 00:42:37,472 Thanks. 770 00:42:38,472 --> 00:42:42,472 Look, I can't speak about the allegations against him, but... 771 00:42:44,472 --> 00:42:46,472 ...from my point of view, he was a good friend. 772 00:42:48,472 --> 00:42:52,472 Yeah. There was a lot I wanted to say about how he was treated. 773 00:42:55,785 --> 00:42:57,785 It's not worth it, Steve. 774 00:42:58,338 --> 00:43:01,338 I know what's been happening with you, and it's not worth it. 775 00:43:03,512 --> 00:43:06,472 The job meant everything to Ray, too. But... 776 00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:09,472 ...it wasn't more important than his children... 777 00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:11,472 ...than his life. 778 00:44:03,472 --> 00:44:05,140 Debs? 779 00:44:05,165 --> 00:44:07,165 Are you watching the local news? 780 00:44:10,472 --> 00:44:12,740 I think the timing's a bit too convenient. 781 00:44:13,185 --> 00:44:14,705 Where was it? 782 00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:17,370 They're carrying out a dig at a spot in Ramsbury. 783 00:44:17,472 --> 00:44:19,471 I think this has come from some information 784 00:44:19,472 --> 00:44:21,471 passed on by Halliwell's probation officer. 785 00:44:21,472 --> 00:44:24,471 ...the boot in the water which we have recovered. 786 00:44:24,472 --> 00:44:26,960 So, you were walking along the lane and...? 787 00:44:26,961 --> 00:44:30,471 Scoping the ponds as to which I thought 788 00:44:30,472 --> 00:44:33,471 would be most likely to deposit property. 789 00:44:33,472 --> 00:44:34,980 Why now? 790 00:44:35,472 --> 00:44:37,831 They've done nothing over the last 18 months and then suddenly, 791 00:44:37,832 --> 00:44:39,471 "Look what a great job we're doing." 792 00:44:39,472 --> 00:44:40,948 I reckon they're worried about backlash 793 00:44:40,949 --> 00:44:42,512 over the way you've been treated. 794 00:44:43,472 --> 00:44:45,831 He says that numerous items have been recovered. 795 00:44:45,832 --> 00:44:47,471 Mm. One of 60, I heard. 796 00:44:47,472 --> 00:44:48,511 60? 797 00:44:48,512 --> 00:44:51,472 This could be what you've been waiting for, Steve. 798 00:44:52,472 --> 00:44:53,831 Yeah, I know. 799 00:44:53,832 --> 00:44:55,471 Bollocks. 800 00:44:55,472 --> 00:44:58,471 - What? - I handed in my resignation. 801 00:44:58,472 --> 00:44:59,820 I'm no longer a police officer. 802 00:44:59,844 --> 00:45:04,944 *CREDITS*