1 00:00:00,970 --> 00:00:02,561 Previously on Proven Innocent... 2 00:00:02,639 --> 00:00:04,305 If someone needs our help, we don't give a damn 3 00:00:04,307 --> 00:00:05,397 where they come from. 4 00:00:05,475 --> 00:00:07,141 We believe the justice system is flawed. 5 00:00:07,143 --> 00:00:09,401 - The hell's going on? - Ah, there he is. 6 00:00:09,462 --> 00:00:11,737 Mr. Bellows. Noah Weiss, campaign strategist. 7 00:00:11,756 --> 00:00:13,834 We're gonna need to change the entire structure of the campaign. 8 00:00:13,835 --> 00:00:16,404 - This is ridiculous. - You think that you're there for me, but really, 9 00:00:16,428 --> 00:00:19,170 - you just show up when you want to be the hero. - I do not. 10 00:00:19,264 --> 00:00:21,150 I don't need you saving me anymore. I'm fine on my own. 11 00:00:21,174 --> 00:00:23,841 Offer a deal that sends Levi Scott 12 00:00:23,959 --> 00:00:25,562 to anger management counseling. I'll do the rest. 13 00:00:25,586 --> 00:00:27,252 - And you can get him to talk? - Of course. 14 00:00:27,272 --> 00:00:28,872 If this was speed dating, I'd be into it. 15 00:00:41,678 --> 00:00:43,360 Man, this place is rocking. 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,621 Really makes me rethink my lifestyle choices. 17 00:00:45,698 --> 00:00:48,124 Being gay is not a choice, Bodie. 18 00:00:48,317 --> 00:00:50,701 It is if you love Fox News. 19 00:00:50,820 --> 00:00:52,660 Ladies! I don't know how you're pulling it off, 20 00:00:52,730 --> 00:00:55,781 but you are absolutely killing it. 21 00:00:55,899 --> 00:00:59,043 Oh, baby, there ain't no pulling anything off. We tuck it in. 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,472 Do you happen to know where... 23 00:01:00,496 --> 00:01:03,289 Oh, my God. Madeline? Madeline Scott, is that you? 24 00:01:03,383 --> 00:01:05,291 Your trial was the biggest thing around here. 25 00:01:05,385 --> 00:01:07,029 We cheered so loud when you got out of prison. 26 00:01:07,053 --> 00:01:08,305 We cried, girl. 27 00:01:08,306 --> 00:01:10,306 - We even had a Madeline Scott night. - At our bar. 28 00:01:10,331 --> 00:01:12,051 Everybody came dressed like you. 29 00:01:12,082 --> 00:01:13,616 - She even wore your hair. - You do have my hair. 30 00:01:13,618 --> 00:01:15,284 - It's kind of amazing. - I do have your hair. 31 00:01:15,286 --> 00:01:16,532 - You're amazing. - What are you doing here, mama? 32 00:01:16,533 --> 00:01:19,622 I'm looking for a law firm. Do you know where Watts & Watts is? 33 00:01:19,649 --> 00:01:20,900 Loca, that's right down the street 34 00:01:20,924 --> 00:01:22,458 and go right around the corner. 35 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:24,755 - Perfect, thank you so much. - Oh, no, baby. Where you going? 36 00:01:24,779 --> 00:01:26,629 - Oh... - Get your phone out. We need a selfie. 37 00:01:26,631 --> 00:01:28,241 - Get in here. - Girl, no one's gonna believe us. 38 00:01:28,265 --> 00:01:29,593 We say three, you're gonna smile, say "yas." 39 00:01:29,617 --> 00:01:31,984 - Ready? One, two, three. - Yas! 40 00:01:38,075 --> 00:01:40,084 Her name is Cindy Whitman. 41 00:01:40,244 --> 00:01:44,255 She was convicted of killing a transgender woman back in 1982. 42 00:01:44,415 --> 00:01:46,665 The victim, Vanessa Evans, was the most important 43 00:01:46,784 --> 00:01:49,093 trans activist of her time. 44 00:01:49,211 --> 00:01:52,171 Cindy is transgender herself, and the prisons have stopped 45 00:01:52,289 --> 00:01:54,006 issuing her hormones due to cutbacks. 46 00:01:54,124 --> 00:01:56,158 I'm suing them to get them back. 47 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,525 I can't imagine what she's going through. 48 00:01:57,526 --> 00:01:59,328 That's like having your identity ripped away. 49 00:01:59,330 --> 00:02:01,088 I was friends with a trans man in prison. 50 00:02:01,149 --> 00:02:02,626 Taking away his testosterone would have been like 51 00:02:02,650 --> 00:02:04,420 - taking away his existence. - Exactly. 52 00:02:04,444 --> 00:02:06,071 And to get her hormones back, I have to prove 53 00:02:06,095 --> 00:02:07,260 how long she's been on them. 54 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,762 I confirmed with the doctor that she's been 55 00:02:08,781 --> 00:02:11,949 taking them since the late '70s, which led me 56 00:02:12,026 --> 00:02:14,009 to a really interesting discovery. 57 00:02:14,011 --> 00:02:17,847 The blood at the crime scene matched Cindy's blood type, 58 00:02:17,849 --> 00:02:19,198 which is AB negative. 59 00:02:19,316 --> 00:02:20,866 It's the rarest blood type. 60 00:02:20,984 --> 00:02:23,519 Right, only 0.6% of the population has it. 61 00:02:23,521 --> 00:02:27,039 At the time, it was primarily what they used to convict her. 62 00:02:27,157 --> 00:02:28,652 But I just discovered from the lab reports 63 00:02:28,676 --> 00:02:31,377 that the hormone levels in the blood 64 00:02:31,471 --> 00:02:33,286 were significantly lower than that of someone 65 00:02:33,348 --> 00:02:35,618 - who is transitioning. - So the blood at the crime scene 66 00:02:35,642 --> 00:02:36,882 couldn't have been Cindy's. 67 00:02:36,976 --> 00:02:38,612 I think we have grounds here to reopen this case. 68 00:02:38,636 --> 00:02:39,718 I'd say so. 69 00:02:39,812 --> 00:02:41,553 Which leads me to another problem, 70 00:02:41,648 --> 00:02:42,949 but I think you're the perfect person 71 00:02:42,973 --> 00:02:44,890 - to help me with it. - Why is that? 72 00:02:44,984 --> 00:02:47,443 Cindy doesn't want to get out of jail. 73 00:02:50,981 --> 00:02:54,400 Imagine you are looking at yourself in the mirror. 74 00:02:54,518 --> 00:02:58,645 It sounds like you and it looks like you. 75 00:02:58,665 --> 00:03:02,725 But deep down, you know this isn't your true self. 76 00:03:02,752 --> 00:03:05,336 On this week's episode of Until Proven Innocent, 77 00:03:05,413 --> 00:03:07,988 we'll explore what happens when one dares 78 00:03:08,049 --> 00:03:11,083 to finally live in their truth, 79 00:03:11,177 --> 00:03:16,088 knowing that so many in the world will hate them for it. 80 00:03:16,182 --> 00:03:19,575 I know I'm not much to look at now, 81 00:03:19,577 --> 00:03:22,094 but you should have seen me back in the day. 82 00:03:22,212 --> 00:03:26,765 Mmm. Oh, Lord Jesus, I was fabulous. 83 00:03:26,884 --> 00:03:28,100 You're still fabulous. 84 00:03:28,218 --> 00:03:29,509 Really, sweetie? 85 00:03:29,587 --> 00:03:30,769 I swear on the Bible. 86 00:03:30,888 --> 00:03:32,604 Mmm. Oh, hell. 87 00:03:32,723 --> 00:03:34,423 The religious boys, they love me. 88 00:03:34,450 --> 00:03:36,516 Honey, the bigger the Bible, the bigger the closet. 89 00:03:36,536 --> 00:03:39,019 They were always chasing after me. 90 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,446 Tell us about Vanessa. 91 00:03:40,564 --> 00:03:43,523 Vanessa Evans was our hero. 92 00:03:45,378 --> 00:03:47,861 She was one of the bravest trans activists I knew back then. 93 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,621 Ness held it down. 94 00:03:49,740 --> 00:03:52,383 Police report said you got in a fight the night she died, 95 00:03:52,543 --> 00:03:53,884 that it was a lover's quarrel. 96 00:03:54,044 --> 00:03:55,720 Hmm. Yeah. 97 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,797 Because they thought we were queer men and not women. 98 00:03:58,916 --> 00:04:01,041 Vanessa and I, we were never lovers. 99 00:04:01,060 --> 00:04:02,876 She was like a sister to me. 100 00:04:02,895 --> 00:04:04,878 But the cops saw me as trans-trash, 101 00:04:04,897 --> 00:04:06,472 so they threw the book at me. 102 00:04:06,548 --> 00:04:08,457 Well... thanks to what Garrett found, 103 00:04:08,484 --> 00:04:10,884 - we think you have a real shot. - At getting my hormones? 104 00:04:10,903 --> 00:04:12,628 At getting your conviction overturned. 105 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:14,296 You shouldn't have to suffer in jail 106 00:04:14,298 --> 00:04:15,814 for a crime you didn't commit. 107 00:04:15,908 --> 00:04:17,816 You know, the real suffering happened 108 00:04:17,910 --> 00:04:20,152 when I had to live my life as Steve. 109 00:04:20,246 --> 00:04:22,988 That was torture every day. 110 00:04:23,065 --> 00:04:25,791 And that torture's coming back if I don't get my hormones. 111 00:04:27,253 --> 00:04:28,994 Cindy, why don't you want to get out? 112 00:04:29,112 --> 00:04:31,714 'Cause there's nothing out there for me. 113 00:04:32,783 --> 00:04:34,984 Everyone I knew is gone. 114 00:04:34,986 --> 00:04:37,336 AIDS, hate crimes, suicide. 115 00:04:37,454 --> 00:04:40,413 40% of trans folks are trying to kill themselves. 116 00:04:40,433 --> 00:04:44,284 40%. Can you imagine if that number was that high 117 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,170 for any other group of people? 118 00:04:46,171 --> 00:04:49,014 Honey, there'd be a telethon around the clock. 119 00:04:49,132 --> 00:04:51,517 No. I'd rather stay in here. 120 00:04:51,593 --> 00:04:53,944 But if you really want to help me, 121 00:04:54,104 --> 00:04:57,097 if you really want to help me, 122 00:04:57,116 --> 00:05:00,284 get me my hormones, please. 123 00:05:00,402 --> 00:05:02,328 Because I'll die without them. 124 00:05:08,459 --> 00:05:18,510 *CREDITS* 125 00:05:19,719 --> 00:05:22,961 It's as if I've never done this before or something. 126 00:05:23,055 --> 00:05:25,538 Wow, I'm a little nervous. 127 00:05:25,558 --> 00:05:26,965 Oh, I totally get that. 128 00:05:27,059 --> 00:05:29,059 - I get nervous. - No, you don't. 129 00:05:29,136 --> 00:05:30,539 Nervous means like, you know, you're in the game, like, 130 00:05:30,563 --> 00:05:31,787 nervous means you want to win. 131 00:05:31,789 --> 00:05:32,955 Being nervous is good. 132 00:05:32,957 --> 00:05:36,216 Okay. Right. Nervous is good. 133 00:05:36,235 --> 00:05:38,477 - Nervous is good. - I'll just be nervous all the time. 134 00:05:38,595 --> 00:05:41,363 - That's the spirit. - Okay, um... 135 00:05:42,450 --> 00:05:46,726 Our guest today is podcasting icon 136 00:05:46,787 --> 00:05:50,155 - and my personal hero Ira Glass. - Glad to be here. 137 00:05:50,273 --> 00:05:52,641 "Podcasting icon" is such, like, a funny thing to say. 138 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:54,067 Like, I'm this "icon" of this thing 139 00:05:54,128 --> 00:05:55,588 that most people have never heard of. 140 00:05:58,448 --> 00:06:01,759 Uh, one of the biggest challenges in podcasting 141 00:06:01,835 --> 00:06:05,170 is balancing the story that you're actually telling 142 00:06:05,247 --> 00:06:07,914 with some kind of bigger meaning or message, 143 00:06:07,934 --> 00:06:10,492 which is something you do effortlessly. 144 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:12,327 - What's your secret? - I mean, honestly, we just try 145 00:06:12,329 --> 00:06:13,996 to tell the plot of what happened to a person, 146 00:06:13,998 --> 00:06:17,274 and then, ideally, they are the one who have 147 00:06:17,351 --> 00:06:19,334 the bigger thought or idea about what it means. 148 00:06:19,362 --> 00:06:22,262 Um, and then if they don't, like, then the host or reporter 149 00:06:22,281 --> 00:06:23,596 can jump in and give that meaning. 150 00:06:23,616 --> 00:06:25,616 There's a really amazing example 151 00:06:25,693 --> 00:06:28,360 that I just heard where it was this story of this 14-year-old, 152 00:06:28,454 --> 00:06:30,265 who, uh, who the police would treat as an adult 153 00:06:30,289 --> 00:06:32,014 because he looked just like an adult. 154 00:06:32,016 --> 00:06:33,606 And then the host is the one who jumps in 155 00:06:33,626 --> 00:06:35,033 with this really beautiful thought 156 00:06:35,127 --> 00:06:36,868 about how deceptive appearances can be. 157 00:06:36,963 --> 00:06:39,371 OMG. 158 00:06:39,465 --> 00:06:41,781 You're talking about my show. 159 00:06:41,859 --> 00:06:43,970 Yes, I am talking about your show. Yes, congratulations, 160 00:06:43,994 --> 00:06:45,452 you recognize your own show. 161 00:06:45,471 --> 00:06:47,972 Yeah, you're doing such a nice job. 162 00:06:49,332 --> 00:06:50,382 Thanks again 163 00:06:50,459 --> 00:06:51,662 - for doing this. - Totally glad to do it. 164 00:06:51,686 --> 00:06:53,126 And for pretending to be a fan. 165 00:06:53,145 --> 00:06:54,886 - That was nice. - I'm not pretending. 166 00:06:55,005 --> 00:06:56,146 Your show's really good. 167 00:06:56,223 --> 00:06:57,464 Thanks. 168 00:06:57,525 --> 00:06:59,966 Hey, okay, so, I fly out of here in a couple days. 169 00:07:00,027 --> 00:07:01,468 What are you doing tomorrow night? 170 00:07:01,529 --> 00:07:03,970 Um... Oh, I guess I'm, 171 00:07:04,031 --> 00:07:05,990 I'm doing whatever it is that you are doing. 172 00:07:06,108 --> 00:07:08,808 You're funny. Um, do you want to have dinner? 173 00:07:08,828 --> 00:07:11,644 I... I, um, I do. 174 00:07:11,664 --> 00:07:13,258 I do want to have dinner. That would be nice. 175 00:07:13,282 --> 00:07:15,666 - That's great. Okay, so, I will be in touch. - Okay. 176 00:07:15,743 --> 00:07:17,984 - We will make arrangements, the way that adults do. - Yeah. 177 00:07:18,004 --> 00:07:21,230 - Good. All right, great. Okay. - Great. Thanks. 178 00:07:27,087 --> 00:07:28,661 So our first goal is to reframe you 179 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:31,573 into what I call a hero campaign. 180 00:07:31,575 --> 00:07:32,908 We lean into your incredible bio, 181 00:07:32,910 --> 00:07:35,185 display images of you looking heroic. 182 00:07:35,262 --> 00:07:37,670 Here you are as the man who saved Chicago. 183 00:07:37,732 --> 00:07:40,265 A loving husband, American as apple pie. 184 00:07:40,359 --> 00:07:41,433 Tested great in the burbs. 185 00:07:41,527 --> 00:07:45,362 This one says Gore Bellows is the law. 186 00:07:47,649 --> 00:07:49,258 - Powerful. - Yeah. 187 00:07:49,260 --> 00:07:51,535 - Forceful. - Absolutely. 188 00:07:51,612 --> 00:07:53,019 Makes me look like a winner. 189 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:55,280 Which you are, sir. 190 00:07:55,398 --> 00:07:57,282 Best part is it makes the campaign about me, 191 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,025 instead of the Scott case. 192 00:07:59,045 --> 00:08:00,897 Mayfield was always obsessed with how Madeline's press 193 00:08:00,921 --> 00:08:03,047 was affecting my numbers. 194 00:08:03,165 --> 00:08:05,068 Yeah, I don't want to say anything negative about him, 195 00:08:05,092 --> 00:08:07,109 'cause he's a great guy, but he's an amateur and a hack 196 00:08:07,111 --> 00:08:08,944 who will lead you to a crushing defeat. 197 00:08:08,946 --> 00:08:11,280 All right, fighting Madeline Scott... going tit for tat... 198 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:14,391 it puts her at your level, and she is not. 199 00:08:14,510 --> 00:08:16,468 She's a murderer. 200 00:08:16,545 --> 00:08:19,396 - You really believe that? - I always did. 201 00:08:20,474 --> 00:08:22,624 I knew you were my guy. 202 00:08:23,903 --> 00:08:25,294 So you think I should just ignore her? 203 00:08:25,296 --> 00:08:26,461 I do, I do. 204 00:08:26,463 --> 00:08:28,221 I mean, unless... 205 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,722 Unless what? 206 00:08:29,784 --> 00:08:31,224 Well, attacking her would be a disaster, 207 00:08:31,243 --> 00:08:33,077 but if you had new evidence... 208 00:08:34,288 --> 00:08:35,412 ... of her guilt... 209 00:08:37,625 --> 00:08:40,125 I mean, then you would win in a landslide. 210 00:08:41,420 --> 00:08:44,162 You mean, recharge her for murder? 211 00:08:44,256 --> 00:08:47,257 Only if you had new evidence. 212 00:08:48,986 --> 00:08:53,430 If you had it, you would dominate every news cycle. 213 00:09:04,652 --> 00:09:07,760 I believe she's innocent, but if she doesn't want our help... 214 00:09:07,822 --> 00:09:10,447 Prison is a hopeless place, we just need to give her some hope. 215 00:09:10,566 --> 00:09:13,099 So, what, we go against her wishes and do it anyway? 216 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,380 It's not even ethical to assume representation for a client 217 00:09:15,404 --> 00:09:16,787 without their consent. 218 00:09:16,905 --> 00:09:18,124 Then let's find some new evidence, 219 00:09:18,148 --> 00:09:19,531 give her a reason to say yes. 220 00:09:19,608 --> 00:09:21,608 2018 was one of the most violent years 221 00:09:21,627 --> 00:09:24,277 in history for transgender women. 222 00:09:24,296 --> 00:09:26,521 This could be an amazing case to shine a light on those issues. 223 00:09:26,523 --> 00:09:28,523 We can't take the case of someone who doesn't 224 00:09:28,551 --> 00:09:29,858 want to be exonerated. 225 00:09:29,860 --> 00:09:31,468 Are you uncomfortable with this case? 226 00:09:31,545 --> 00:09:35,547 No. I'd gladly move forward if she actually wanted our help. 227 00:09:35,624 --> 00:09:36,868 Well, she does, she doesn't know it yet. 228 00:09:36,892 --> 00:09:38,791 Come on, let's dig around. 229 00:09:38,853 --> 00:09:40,533 Let's give her a reason to change her mind. 230 00:09:47,544 --> 00:09:49,302 Amazing, isn't it? 231 00:09:49,363 --> 00:09:51,638 All the hatred for this community. 232 00:09:51,657 --> 00:09:53,806 All they want to do is just live their lives for who they are. 233 00:09:53,826 --> 00:09:56,568 I wouldn't know anything about that. 234 00:09:56,662 --> 00:09:58,570 Does the black community share any connection 235 00:09:58,664 --> 00:10:01,239 with the gay community for being targeted by hate groups? 236 00:10:01,358 --> 00:10:03,575 Some might say yes because we both know what it's like 237 00:10:03,693 --> 00:10:05,577 to be hated for being who you are, 238 00:10:05,695 --> 00:10:08,747 and we're both generally hated by the same people. 239 00:10:08,823 --> 00:10:10,490 But others say you can hide who you love, 240 00:10:10,509 --> 00:10:12,467 but you can't hide the color of your skin. 241 00:10:24,748 --> 00:10:27,482 But what do you do when you can't hide who you love? 242 00:10:37,861 --> 00:10:39,369 No way Cindy killed her. 243 00:10:39,529 --> 00:10:42,039 Cops will pin anything they can on queer people. 244 00:10:42,199 --> 00:10:44,950 - Did you own the bar then? - No, I was just a server. 245 00:10:45,026 --> 00:10:46,710 It was mob-owned, like most gay bars. 246 00:10:46,828 --> 00:10:50,881 They walked away in '98 and someone had to keep it alive. 247 00:10:50,999 --> 00:10:52,549 This bar was special. A safe haven, 248 00:10:52,668 --> 00:10:54,053 where everyone could be themselves. 249 00:10:54,077 --> 00:10:55,460 Everyone? 250 00:10:55,554 --> 00:10:57,963 My understanding is not all gay bars 251 00:10:58,081 --> 00:11:00,632 were welcoming of the trans community. 252 00:11:00,726 --> 00:11:02,801 This wasn't most gay bars, honey. 253 00:11:02,895 --> 00:11:05,395 This was the Tulip. 254 00:11:05,472 --> 00:11:06,638 Vanessa was an icon. 255 00:11:06,732 --> 00:11:08,548 A true hero. 256 00:11:08,567 --> 00:11:11,460 Everybody loved her. Except the cops. 257 00:11:11,462 --> 00:11:12,978 - Why is that? - The usual. 258 00:11:13,096 --> 00:11:15,722 Thought she was a he and a pervert. 259 00:11:15,741 --> 00:11:18,316 If they weren't harassing her, they were putting her in cuffs 260 00:11:18,393 --> 00:11:21,060 for prostitution, and believe me, she wasn't. 261 00:11:21,121 --> 00:11:23,655 - Walking while trans. - That's right, honey. 262 00:11:23,773 --> 00:11:26,491 You look visibly trans on the street, 263 00:11:26,568 --> 00:11:27,771 cops cuff and say you're a prostitute. 264 00:11:27,795 --> 00:11:30,996 In my community, it's walking while black. 265 00:11:31,114 --> 00:11:33,090 Now imagine being black and trans. 266 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:34,961 'Cause that's what these girls had to live with. 267 00:11:34,985 --> 00:11:37,594 I remember a few days before she was killed, 268 00:11:37,754 --> 00:11:40,171 some jerk accosted Vanessa. He was obsessed with her. 269 00:11:40,266 --> 00:11:43,100 And when she called it off, he went after her. 270 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:45,936 Then the cops arrest Vanessa for assault. 271 00:11:46,096 --> 00:11:47,587 Do you know who this guy was? 272 00:11:47,606 --> 00:11:49,922 No, but I'll ask around. 273 00:11:49,984 --> 00:11:52,025 A few of us are still alive from those days. 274 00:11:53,061 --> 00:11:54,611 A few. 275 00:12:01,662 --> 00:12:02,786 You wanted to see me? 276 00:12:02,863 --> 00:12:04,195 Yes, come on in. Come on in. 277 00:12:04,290 --> 00:12:07,182 So... this is the big day. 278 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:08,867 Your first day in court. 279 00:12:08,961 --> 00:12:10,519 It's just a P.C. hearing. 280 00:12:10,521 --> 00:12:12,037 First P.C. hearing in court. 281 00:12:12,131 --> 00:12:14,539 Here. Congratulations. 282 00:12:14,657 --> 00:12:16,949 I'm very proud of all your accomplishments. 283 00:12:16,969 --> 00:12:18,785 Oh, I love it. 284 00:12:18,804 --> 00:12:21,196 - Thank you. - You deserve it. 285 00:12:21,198 --> 00:12:22,380 Come have a seat. 286 00:12:22,499 --> 00:12:25,291 So, tell me about Levi Scott. 287 00:12:25,352 --> 00:12:27,536 Are you still attending that anger management class with him? 288 00:12:27,538 --> 00:12:29,220 Levi's a tough nut to crack. 289 00:12:29,339 --> 00:12:31,873 He keeps to himself, mostly. 290 00:12:31,875 --> 00:12:33,558 You just got to get him to loosen up. 291 00:12:33,676 --> 00:12:34,726 Find out what he likes. 292 00:12:34,844 --> 00:12:38,638 I bet it's you. Who knows... maybe, 293 00:12:38,699 --> 00:12:40,549 if he can give you some evidence that might help 294 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:43,309 reopen Rosemary's murder case... 295 00:12:43,370 --> 00:12:45,829 you could find yourself sitting second chair 296 00:12:45,989 --> 00:12:47,956 in the biggest trial of the year. 297 00:12:49,826 --> 00:12:50,834 Understood. 298 00:12:55,532 --> 00:12:58,175 Vanessa had a few stalkers. 299 00:12:58,293 --> 00:13:00,569 The straight boys loved her. 300 00:13:00,571 --> 00:13:03,663 And when they couldn't keep her it could get violent. 301 00:13:03,724 --> 00:13:05,090 You have any idea who attacked her 302 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:06,984 - when she was charged for assault? - Honey... 303 00:13:07,019 --> 00:13:09,411 everybody harassed us. 304 00:13:09,413 --> 00:13:11,930 Cops, neighbors, drunkards, robbers, 305 00:13:12,066 --> 00:13:13,339 even family. 306 00:13:13,417 --> 00:13:14,841 Everybody hated us. 307 00:13:14,860 --> 00:13:17,005 We're just trying to find an alternative suspect. 308 00:13:17,029 --> 00:13:18,920 It's the key to getting you out. 309 00:13:18,922 --> 00:13:20,755 Well, what's the key to getting my hormones? 310 00:13:20,757 --> 00:13:22,757 Cindy, you deserve your hormones and so much more. 311 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:24,392 Let us help you get out of prison. 312 00:13:24,411 --> 00:13:27,112 - Then you're free to get the hormones you need. - But like I said, 313 00:13:27,230 --> 00:13:28,855 I've got no one out there. 314 00:13:28,932 --> 00:13:30,448 The gays hate us. 315 00:13:30,567 --> 00:13:32,191 The lesbians don't want anything to do with us, 316 00:13:32,211 --> 00:13:34,051 and the straights don't even think we're human. 317 00:13:35,738 --> 00:13:38,957 All of my friends are gone. 318 00:13:39,075 --> 00:13:42,460 There's not one single person in the world for me. 319 00:13:42,579 --> 00:13:44,295 I'm better off in here. 320 00:13:44,390 --> 00:13:46,631 But this isn't freedom. 321 00:13:46,725 --> 00:13:48,040 Your life's not your own, 322 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,894 and even though the idea of being free is scary, 323 00:13:51,054 --> 00:13:53,397 it is your right because you're innocent. 324 00:13:53,473 --> 00:13:55,732 I won't say it's gonna be easy. 325 00:13:55,892 --> 00:13:57,459 But a year from now, 326 00:13:57,461 --> 00:13:59,528 maybe two, maybe three... 327 00:14:01,398 --> 00:14:03,468 ... you're gonna start to wake up with tears in your eyes 328 00:14:03,492 --> 00:14:05,992 that your life is your own. 329 00:14:07,996 --> 00:14:09,971 Why are you being so nice to me? 330 00:14:09,973 --> 00:14:12,749 Because I suffered for ten years in prison. 331 00:14:14,645 --> 00:14:16,978 Just like that man over there alleviated my pain, 332 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:19,297 I vowed that I would do the same for others. 333 00:14:21,427 --> 00:14:23,818 Cindy, let us help you. 334 00:14:23,820 --> 00:14:25,262 Let us stand next to you and fight. 335 00:14:41,447 --> 00:14:44,573 All right... fine. 336 00:14:46,643 --> 00:14:47,742 Let's do it. 337 00:14:56,462 --> 00:14:58,128 - Oh, Lord. - Who is it? 338 00:14:58,288 --> 00:15:00,630 - Judge Speer. - Oh, Lord. 339 00:15:00,707 --> 00:15:03,525 - Ms. Scott. - It's good to see you again, Your Honor. 340 00:15:03,527 --> 00:15:05,193 I wish I could say the same for you. 341 00:15:05,195 --> 00:15:06,636 Thank you, Your Honor. 342 00:15:06,796 --> 00:15:09,455 The justice system is based on the principle 343 00:15:09,475 --> 00:15:11,457 that all people are treated equally under the law. 344 00:15:11,477 --> 00:15:12,884 That principle was violated 345 00:15:12,961 --> 00:15:14,321 at Cindy Whitman's original trial. 346 00:15:14,354 --> 00:15:15,795 Whoa, whoa, whoa, we have on the docket here 347 00:15:15,814 --> 00:15:18,464 a Steven Whitman, not Cindy. 348 00:15:18,525 --> 00:15:19,627 Your Honor, that's my point. 349 00:15:19,651 --> 00:15:21,392 - The Constitution... - Ms. Scott, 350 00:15:21,487 --> 00:15:22,544 you're my first case of the day. 351 00:15:22,546 --> 00:15:23,895 Let the coffee kick in before you 352 00:15:23,989 --> 00:15:25,380 go full Atticus Finch on me. 353 00:15:25,382 --> 00:15:26,548 What's your issue? 354 00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:28,975 Your Honor... 355 00:15:29,052 --> 00:15:31,477 we move for a new trial in the interest of justice 356 00:15:31,497 --> 00:15:35,537 on the basis of overwhelming new evidence of the Chicago PD's bias 357 00:15:35,538 --> 00:15:37,408 against the transgendered community in the '80s. 358 00:15:37,409 --> 00:15:40,337 Lovely history lesson, but you seem to have left out 359 00:15:40,455 --> 00:15:43,414 the Chicago PD's investigation into your client. 360 00:15:43,533 --> 00:15:45,825 In addition to exculpatory blood evidence already before you, 361 00:15:45,844 --> 00:15:47,660 the hormone levels in the blood at the scene 362 00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:49,532 did not reflect someone who was transitioning... 363 00:15:49,556 --> 00:15:50,849 Do these blood samples still exist? 364 00:15:50,873 --> 00:15:52,423 They do not, Your Honor. 365 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:54,092 Motion for a new trial denied. 366 00:15:54,210 --> 00:15:56,261 Then we request, at the very least, 367 00:15:56,355 --> 00:15:57,929 post-conviction discovery, 368 00:15:58,047 --> 00:16:00,524 in the form of access to the police files 369 00:16:00,684 --> 00:16:03,693 - to explore the possibility. - Fine. Motion granted. 370 00:16:03,812 --> 00:16:06,178 But then again... 371 00:16:06,198 --> 00:16:07,300 that's what you wanted all along, 372 00:16:07,301 --> 00:16:09,616 - isn't it, Ms. Scott? - Maybe. 373 00:16:10,953 --> 00:16:12,285 Next case. 374 00:16:16,542 --> 00:16:19,358 How nice of them to bury us in paperwork. 375 00:16:19,378 --> 00:16:20,693 Yeah, and literally none of it 376 00:16:20,712 --> 00:16:22,604 has anything to do with our case. 377 00:16:22,606 --> 00:16:24,130 The arrest date was July 14, right? 378 00:16:24,149 --> 00:16:26,085 - Yeah. - I have an arrest report here 379 00:16:26,109 --> 00:16:29,368 for Debbie Urmand, same date, same charge. 380 00:16:29,429 --> 00:16:31,780 - It's a codefendant? - Same arresting officers. 381 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:33,723 If Debbie was there, she might be able to tell us 382 00:16:33,842 --> 00:16:35,800 who the guy was. If she's still alive. 383 00:16:35,894 --> 00:16:38,136 Ah, ah, ah... I found a Debbie Urmand. 384 00:16:38,212 --> 00:16:40,972 She manages a drag club called Medusa's Den. 385 00:16:41,066 --> 00:16:42,640 I think there's a slightly good chance 386 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,484 that that is the same person. 387 00:16:45,595 --> 00:16:46,811 This is gonna be fun. 388 00:16:46,929 --> 00:16:48,479 Can't wait. 389 00:16:48,598 --> 00:16:50,982 ? I don't want to lose you ? 390 00:16:51,100 --> 00:16:52,984 ? This good thing ? 391 00:16:53,102 --> 00:16:55,153 ? That I've got ? 392 00:16:55,271 --> 00:16:57,655 ? 'Cause if I do ? 393 00:16:57,774 --> 00:16:59,565 ? I would surely ? 394 00:16:59,626 --> 00:17:03,144 ? Surely lose a lot ? 395 00:17:03,146 --> 00:17:07,073 ? 'Cause your love is better ? 396 00:17:07,092 --> 00:17:09,408 ? Than any love I know ? 397 00:17:09,428 --> 00:17:11,577 ? It's like thunder ? 398 00:17:11,597 --> 00:17:13,579 ? Lightning ? 399 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:17,083 ? The way you love me is frightening ? 400 00:17:17,102 --> 00:17:18,827 ? You better knock, knock ? 401 00:17:20,022 --> 00:17:24,332 ? On wood, baby ? 402 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,761 ? Whoo-ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo ? 403 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:33,024 ? Baby, whoo-ooh-ooh-hoo-hoo ? 404 00:17:33,118 --> 00:17:36,119 ? Think I better knock, knock, knock on wood ? 405 00:17:36,237 --> 00:17:39,013 ? Think I better knock, knock, knock on wood ? 406 00:17:39,041 --> 00:17:42,533 - That's her. - ? Knock, knock, knock on wood ? 407 00:17:42,628 --> 00:17:44,352 All right, let's go. 408 00:17:44,354 --> 00:17:46,037 ? Think I better knock, knock, knock... ? 409 00:17:46,131 --> 00:17:49,190 It was another world back then. 410 00:17:49,192 --> 00:17:50,859 You didn't show your true colors 411 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:52,785 unless you were willing to pay the price. 412 00:17:52,804 --> 00:17:55,121 On the night of July 14, you were arrested 413 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:56,881 with another woman, Vanessa Evans. 414 00:17:56,999 --> 00:18:00,218 - The police say you both attacked the victim. - Yeah, right... 415 00:18:00,294 --> 00:18:03,980 we attacked him. Sure. 416 00:18:04,057 --> 00:18:05,874 I was working 417 00:18:05,876 --> 00:18:07,466 when Vanessa saw me on my corner 418 00:18:07,527 --> 00:18:09,135 and she came to say hi. 419 00:18:09,196 --> 00:18:11,303 It wasn't but five minutes when some guy 420 00:18:11,365 --> 00:18:13,657 came out of nowhere, jumped us. 421 00:18:13,775 --> 00:18:16,718 So it was a stranger who attacked you? 422 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,477 Not someone Vanessa knew? 423 00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:20,622 That's right. Sh... she didn't know him. 424 00:18:21,725 --> 00:18:24,483 Do you remember anything about him? 425 00:18:24,561 --> 00:18:27,820 No. It was a long time ago. 426 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:29,822 And one of many. 427 00:18:29,841 --> 00:18:33,568 You said you were working on your corner. 428 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:34,660 Were you working working? 429 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,256 Only way to pay the bills, sweetheart. 430 00:18:38,350 --> 00:18:42,760 I couldn't pass... so I couldn't get a job. 431 00:18:42,854 --> 00:18:45,838 Some of the girls were lucky enough to find sugar daddies. 432 00:18:45,857 --> 00:18:47,273 Guys on the down-low... 433 00:18:48,527 --> 00:18:50,251 ... but not me. 434 00:18:50,253 --> 00:18:51,753 Vanessa had someone, right? 435 00:18:51,755 --> 00:18:54,847 Many. The straight boys loved her. 436 00:18:54,866 --> 00:18:57,442 - Anyone around the time she was killed? - Oh, yeah. 437 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,110 Sam Marshall. 438 00:18:59,228 --> 00:19:01,946 He was obsessed with her. 439 00:19:02,023 --> 00:19:05,616 Lost it a little when she called it off. 440 00:19:05,693 --> 00:19:08,086 Big finance guys don't like to be told no. 441 00:19:10,290 --> 00:19:14,108 ? Gotta knock, knock, knock on wood, yeah ? 442 00:19:14,110 --> 00:19:17,053 ? You gotta knock, knock, knock on lightning ? 443 00:19:17,172 --> 00:19:18,555 And I like that part. 444 00:19:18,673 --> 00:19:20,206 - ? It's like thunder ? - And... and I had fun. 445 00:19:20,225 --> 00:19:22,133 - Hey! - Hey. 446 00:19:22,210 --> 00:19:24,452 Die of AIDS, faggots. 447 00:19:27,566 --> 00:19:29,215 Call the cops! 448 00:19:29,234 --> 00:19:30,959 - Are you okay? - Someone call the police! 449 00:19:33,822 --> 00:19:36,388 You're not gonna need stitches. You got lucky. 450 00:19:36,408 --> 00:19:38,241 An inch lower and you could've lost your eye. 451 00:19:40,528 --> 00:19:42,095 So you didn't get the license? 452 00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:44,806 No. It... it... Look, it all happened so fast. 453 00:19:44,833 --> 00:19:46,474 Can you guys not check the neighborhood cameras, 454 00:19:46,476 --> 00:19:47,476 get their license plate? 455 00:19:47,477 --> 00:19:49,494 Yeah, we'll get right on that. 456 00:19:49,588 --> 00:19:51,980 - You're not gonna do anything, are you? - Sir, please stay calm. 457 00:19:51,982 --> 00:19:54,482 - Listen, I'm not even gay and I'm pissed off. - Of course you're not, sir. 458 00:19:54,484 --> 00:19:57,819 - You're wasting your time getting angry. - Excuse me, sir. 459 00:19:57,821 --> 00:20:00,098 - We're taking a police report. - Can you at least show her some respect 460 00:20:00,122 --> 00:20:01,247 and refer to her as ma'am? 461 00:20:01,266 --> 00:20:03,433 And you'll refer to me as Officer Thompson. 462 00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:05,270 All right, all right. We get it. You don't care. 463 00:20:05,294 --> 00:20:07,228 Let's just get out of here. 464 00:20:14,971 --> 00:20:18,264 So I have a Sam Marshall of a Marshall Financial Group 465 00:20:18,325 --> 00:20:20,525 - on Michigan Avenue. - Is that the guy? 466 00:20:20,643 --> 00:20:23,602 - That looks like a DL sugar daddy. - And you would know? 467 00:20:23,663 --> 00:20:26,531 - I could be DL. I could never be a sugar daddy. - I believe that. 468 00:20:26,625 --> 00:20:27,760 - That I couldn't be a sugar daddy? - Yeah. 469 00:20:27,784 --> 00:20:28,936 Because you don't have any money. 470 00:20:30,854 --> 00:20:32,796 Mr. Marshall's office. 471 00:20:32,956 --> 00:20:34,355 Hi, may I please speak to Sam Marshall? 472 00:20:34,357 --> 00:20:35,632 It's Madeline Scott calling 473 00:20:35,792 --> 00:20:36,949 from the Injustice Defense Group. 474 00:20:36,968 --> 00:20:39,636 - It's a legal matter. - Hold, please. 475 00:20:39,796 --> 00:20:42,530 Uh, this is Sam Marshall. 476 00:20:42,532 --> 00:20:44,974 Hi, Mr. Marshall. Uh, this is Madeline Scott. 477 00:20:45,093 --> 00:20:48,386 We have a few questions for you about Vanessa Evans. 478 00:20:48,504 --> 00:20:50,313 I don't know who that is. 479 00:20:51,841 --> 00:20:53,465 We think you do. 480 00:20:53,527 --> 00:20:55,393 Don't contact me ever again. 481 00:20:56,846 --> 00:20:59,397 I think someone just put "suspect" 482 00:20:59,491 --> 00:21:01,491 above their head in flashing lights. 483 00:21:15,197 --> 00:21:16,297 Isabel? 484 00:21:19,845 --> 00:21:21,177 Hey. 485 00:21:23,256 --> 00:21:26,224 - You okay? - Yeah, I'm fine. 486 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:30,002 Okay, maybe I'm not fine. 487 00:21:30,063 --> 00:21:33,264 But that's why we're here, right? 488 00:21:33,382 --> 00:21:36,008 - Right. Right, yeah. - It's just... 489 00:21:36,027 --> 00:21:38,344 coming here, sometimes... 490 00:21:38,363 --> 00:21:40,321 makes me more sad. 491 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,825 Yeah. 492 00:21:45,361 --> 00:21:47,871 Why don't we do something not sad? 493 00:21:48,031 --> 00:21:50,164 What do you mean? 494 00:21:51,209 --> 00:21:53,359 I don't know. 495 00:21:53,378 --> 00:21:55,211 Let's get out of here. 496 00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:56,796 Come on. 497 00:22:06,558 --> 00:22:07,615 Sam Marshall? 498 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:08,725 Hi, I'm Madeline Scott. 499 00:22:08,843 --> 00:22:09,951 We spoke on the phone. 500 00:22:09,953 --> 00:22:12,211 This is my partner, Easy Boudreau. 501 00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:14,546 I asked you not to reach out to me. 502 00:22:14,566 --> 00:22:17,141 Crazy enough, that made us want to talk to you even more. 503 00:22:17,218 --> 00:22:19,385 - I don't have to talk to you. - Of course not. 504 00:22:19,404 --> 00:22:20,978 But if you don't, 505 00:22:21,097 --> 00:22:22,797 we'll ask your friends and coworkers 506 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,260 if they knew about your relationship with Vanessa. 507 00:22:24,284 --> 00:22:26,058 Probably more beneficial 508 00:22:26,077 --> 00:22:27,702 to talk to us directly, don't you think? 509 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,673 It was very long ago. 510 00:22:48,791 --> 00:22:51,842 - Are you still married? - Wife passed away two years ago. 511 00:22:51,961 --> 00:22:53,603 Pancreatic cancer. 512 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,087 - Sorry to hear. - Thank you. 513 00:22:55,106 --> 00:22:57,256 I have children, I have grandchildren. 514 00:22:57,333 --> 00:23:01,519 I cannot have anyone find out about Vanessa. 515 00:23:01,595 --> 00:23:03,595 We have no interest in exposing your personal life. 516 00:23:03,657 --> 00:23:05,501 We're just trying to find out what happened to her. 517 00:23:05,525 --> 00:23:07,599 I have no idea what happened to her. 518 00:23:07,661 --> 00:23:10,436 I was in New York that night for work. 519 00:23:10,497 --> 00:23:13,197 I left that morning, which I can probably prove. 520 00:23:13,333 --> 00:23:14,791 Came back the next day. 521 00:23:14,909 --> 00:23:16,534 I didn't even hear about her murder 522 00:23:16,628 --> 00:23:18,610 until the next week. 523 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:20,779 We hadn't seen each other in months. 524 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,540 We were told that you had. 525 00:23:22,658 --> 00:23:24,136 That she'd recently broken up with you 526 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,560 and you were really upset about it. 527 00:23:25,661 --> 00:23:27,378 Please. 528 00:23:27,496 --> 00:23:29,547 She didn't break up with me. I ended it. 529 00:23:29,665 --> 00:23:32,458 Okay? It was a very strange time in my life 530 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:35,294 and it was 37 years ago. 531 00:23:35,355 --> 00:23:37,555 So I hope that this was helpful 532 00:23:37,673 --> 00:23:39,724 and I sincerely hope that I never see 533 00:23:39,818 --> 00:23:42,026 either of you ever again. 534 00:23:49,494 --> 00:23:51,494 I think he's lying. 535 00:23:53,823 --> 00:23:55,665 He wasn't lying. 536 00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:58,650 He e-mailed us his credit card statements from 37 years ago. 537 00:23:58,728 --> 00:24:00,652 He says he kept them all for 45 years. 538 00:24:00,672 --> 00:24:03,209 - Only a finance guy would do that. - Yeah, and there were charges 539 00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:05,399 from New York City on the night of the murder. 540 00:24:05,427 --> 00:24:06,627 Which gives him a tight alibi. 541 00:24:06,678 --> 00:24:07,993 But that doesn't mean he didn't 542 00:24:08,054 --> 00:24:09,995 kill her that day before he left. 543 00:24:10,015 --> 00:24:12,142 Plus, he could have falsified his credit card statements. 544 00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:14,495 Also, someone else could have been using the card that night. 545 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,836 Exactly. But what's really, really interesting is... 546 00:24:17,897 --> 00:24:21,173 these hospital charges from Mount Carmel ER. 547 00:24:21,192 --> 00:24:23,359 Two days after the murder. Check this out. 548 00:24:23,436 --> 00:24:24,843 He could have cut himself at the crime scene 549 00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:27,012 and then, a couple days later, the wound hasn't healed 550 00:24:27,073 --> 00:24:28,773 so he goes to the ER for stitches. 551 00:24:28,891 --> 00:24:31,868 And if he killed Vanessa, then his blood 552 00:24:31,944 --> 00:24:34,024 would've been the other one found at the crime scene. 553 00:24:34,063 --> 00:24:36,188 We should check to see if he's the rare AB negative. 554 00:24:36,207 --> 00:24:38,023 Let's do it. We'll get a court order, 555 00:24:38,084 --> 00:24:40,284 - subpoena his records. - All right, I definitely think 556 00:24:40,361 --> 00:24:42,361 that our stockbroker douchebag is the best bet. 557 00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:44,696 But I did find some really interesting information 558 00:24:44,716 --> 00:24:48,051 about our bartender, Thomas Stone. 559 00:24:48,127 --> 00:24:50,047 Okay, so, he talked about how the trans community 560 00:24:50,096 --> 00:24:51,996 was always welcome at the Tulip, right? 561 00:24:52,073 --> 00:24:54,039 To quote Dick Cheney, "Big time." 562 00:24:54,059 --> 00:24:56,801 A safe haven where everyone could be themselves. 563 00:24:56,895 --> 00:24:58,544 Hmm. It was a haven, all right. 564 00:24:58,563 --> 00:25:00,955 A haven of anti-trans sentiment. 565 00:25:00,957 --> 00:25:02,701 Found a dozen quotes from Thomas back in the day, 566 00:25:02,725 --> 00:25:05,551 all of them distancing the gay community 567 00:25:05,628 --> 00:25:06,794 from the trans community. 568 00:25:06,821 --> 00:25:09,555 Some of them, he even attacks Vanessa head-on. 569 00:25:09,574 --> 00:25:11,056 In this one he says, uh, 570 00:25:11,076 --> 00:25:12,600 "She was a she-male that was the worst thing 571 00:25:12,602 --> 00:25:14,393 to happen to gay rights." 572 00:25:14,412 --> 00:25:15,894 Damn, that's harsh. 573 00:25:15,914 --> 00:25:17,805 Well, I think we need to talk to Thomas. 574 00:25:21,086 --> 00:25:22,493 I got us shots. 575 00:25:22,587 --> 00:25:24,478 Uh... 576 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,647 - that's probably not a good idea. - Oh, come on. 577 00:25:26,649 --> 00:25:29,333 Just one shot. Remember, today's Don't Be Sad Day. 578 00:25:29,427 --> 00:25:30,909 Mm-hmm. 579 00:25:30,929 --> 00:25:32,303 Okay, one shot. 580 00:25:36,292 --> 00:25:37,491 Let's do another one. 581 00:25:37,493 --> 00:25:39,060 - Mm, no. - One more shot. 582 00:25:42,798 --> 00:25:44,682 Listening to your podcast, I had to wonder, 583 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,350 okay, so you're making these things, 584 00:25:46,468 --> 00:25:47,946 you're churning them out by yourself? 585 00:25:47,970 --> 00:25:50,262 So, are you just, like, working all the time? 586 00:25:50,323 --> 00:25:51,763 Well, I throw myself into my work 587 00:25:51,825 --> 00:25:53,432 because I barely have a personal life. 588 00:25:53,509 --> 00:25:55,860 Seriously? Like, I would think, like, 589 00:25:55,954 --> 00:25:57,361 you're smart and you're idealistic 590 00:25:57,479 --> 00:25:59,266 and you're attractive, like, I would just think 591 00:25:59,290 --> 00:26:01,682 men must throw themselves at you. 592 00:26:01,684 --> 00:26:02,959 Yeah, well... 593 00:26:03,077 --> 00:26:05,519 yeah, I guess I do all right. 594 00:26:05,521 --> 00:26:07,521 And what about you? 595 00:26:07,523 --> 00:26:09,023 Are you seeing someone? 596 00:26:09,050 --> 00:26:10,299 Oh, my God. Yes. 597 00:26:10,418 --> 00:26:12,360 You would love her. She is, like, 598 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:14,862 very interesting all the time. 599 00:26:14,889 --> 00:26:17,056 She's incredible, she's incredible. 600 00:26:18,551 --> 00:26:20,292 That's incredible. 601 00:26:20,311 --> 00:26:22,553 That's, uh... that's like that TV show. 602 00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:23,874 That's Incredible!, it's like that. 603 00:26:23,898 --> 00:26:26,131 It's... that's... incredible. 604 00:26:26,151 --> 00:26:27,151 Uh, yeah, totally. 605 00:26:29,696 --> 00:26:32,280 All right, so... Ira... 606 00:26:33,324 --> 00:26:35,049 ... why did you want to have dinner? 607 00:26:35,051 --> 00:26:36,233 Okay, it's very exciting. 608 00:26:36,327 --> 00:26:38,327 My team, we have this idea for a new podcast. 609 00:26:38,404 --> 00:26:40,554 It's criminal justice, it's very ambitious. 610 00:26:40,556 --> 00:26:42,556 And we think you would be the perfect host. 611 00:26:42,558 --> 00:26:45,576 I'm here to offer you a job. It would be your own show. 612 00:26:45,694 --> 00:26:48,245 Wh... Uh... 613 00:26:48,364 --> 00:26:50,898 I don't know what to say. That's... that's... 614 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,583 This would be a dream come true for me. 615 00:26:52,701 --> 00:26:55,390 And we would get more listeners for Until Proven Innocent. 616 00:26:55,391 --> 00:26:58,330 Oh, uh, this would be a full-time thing. I'm so sorry, you would... 617 00:26:58,391 --> 00:27:00,424 you would have to quit Until Proven Innocent. 618 00:27:00,542 --> 00:27:02,185 You'd have to move to New York City. 619 00:27:02,303 --> 00:27:04,145 This could be a really big show. 620 00:27:05,306 --> 00:27:07,339 Yeah, but I don't think I can just... 621 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:08,417 Just think about it, okay? 622 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:10,509 This is a really big opportunity. 623 00:27:10,528 --> 00:27:11,903 Think about it. 624 00:27:13,648 --> 00:27:15,125 - I'll think about it. - Think about it. 625 00:27:15,149 --> 00:27:16,532 To that. 626 00:27:23,875 --> 00:27:25,190 Hi, Thomas. 627 00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:27,025 - Hello. - Back so soon? 628 00:27:27,086 --> 00:27:29,695 We need to talk about the truth between you and Vanessa. 629 00:27:29,714 --> 00:27:31,834 You said this was a place where everyone was accepted. 630 00:27:31,865 --> 00:27:33,774 You meant everyone but the trans community, right? 631 00:27:33,776 --> 00:27:36,627 Because you're quoted all over articles from the '80s 632 00:27:36,721 --> 00:27:39,447 attacking them and Vanessa. 633 00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:42,466 Look, you got to understand what was going on back then. 634 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,286 Cops were raiding gay bars, beating us up. 635 00:27:45,288 --> 00:27:47,045 Stonewall didn't change how they treated us. 636 00:27:47,065 --> 00:27:51,135 So, we started a gay and lesbian alliance to protect us. 637 00:27:51,136 --> 00:27:53,319 And who was supposed to protect the trans community? 638 00:27:54,596 --> 00:27:56,572 At the time, a lot of gay people felt that 639 00:27:56,649 --> 00:28:00,710 the trans community was holding us back from equal rights. 640 00:28:00,787 --> 00:28:02,394 Straight people saw them as freaks 641 00:28:02,455 --> 00:28:04,822 and... so did some of us. 642 00:28:04,898 --> 00:28:06,498 Believe me, I wish I could take it back. 643 00:28:06,534 --> 00:28:08,476 Did you and Vanessa have a fight before she died? 644 00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:10,957 Me and Ness argued every time we saw each other, but... 645 00:28:10,958 --> 00:28:12,463 What were you arguing about? 646 00:28:13,541 --> 00:28:15,424 We got into it at the bar. 647 00:28:15,543 --> 00:28:17,927 She was yelling and throwing a fit. 648 00:28:18,045 --> 00:28:20,429 She could be a real drama queen when she wanted to be. 649 00:28:20,548 --> 00:28:24,767 She was furious because we told her not to speak at a pride rally. 650 00:28:24,885 --> 00:28:27,828 I have been beaten, I've had my nose broken, 651 00:28:27,855 --> 00:28:29,663 I've been thrown in jail. 652 00:28:29,665 --> 00:28:31,757 I've lost my job for gay liberation. 653 00:28:31,776 --> 00:28:34,760 I've got as much right to speak at that rally as anyone else does. 654 00:28:34,821 --> 00:28:36,006 I'm not going anywhere, Thomas, 655 00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:37,521 and if you think just for one second 656 00:28:37,598 --> 00:28:39,264 that we're gonna roll over and die, 657 00:28:39,325 --> 00:28:40,825 think again. 658 00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:46,104 That was the last time I ever saw her. 659 00:28:46,165 --> 00:28:48,182 What did you do after she left? 660 00:28:48,184 --> 00:28:49,792 I... I was here all night. 661 00:28:49,869 --> 00:28:52,369 And I got a dozen people who can testify to that. 662 00:28:52,463 --> 00:28:54,613 No one could ever forget the night Ness died, 663 00:28:54,632 --> 00:28:56,615 and we never will. 664 00:28:56,634 --> 00:28:59,527 Look, I hated Vanessa... 665 00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:01,728 back in the day. 666 00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:03,622 But I would never kill her. 667 00:29:03,683 --> 00:29:07,959 - And why is that? - Because she was my sister-in-arms. 668 00:29:08,021 --> 00:29:10,813 Even when I hated her, I loved her. 669 00:29:10,931 --> 00:29:12,356 And I always will. 670 00:29:18,932 --> 00:29:20,917 Of course, we call it a Revolutionary War, 671 00:29:20,941 --> 00:29:23,308 but really, it's a civil war, if you think... 672 00:29:23,386 --> 00:29:24,976 Okay, so I've got bad news 673 00:29:24,996 --> 00:29:28,055 - and I've got bad news. What do you want first? - The bad news. 674 00:29:28,057 --> 00:29:29,981 Judge hates my guts, denied our motion for Sam Marshall's 675 00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:33,060 hospital records. She said it was a fishing expedition. 676 00:29:33,062 --> 00:29:35,896 - Okay, how about the bad news? - We don't have any other suspects. 677 00:29:35,898 --> 00:29:37,989 I don't buy Thomas did it. His motive's weak, 678 00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:40,826 and he's got witnesses to corroborate his alibi. 679 00:29:40,845 --> 00:29:43,179 That brings us back to Sam Marshall, who also has an alibi. 680 00:29:43,255 --> 00:29:44,572 And he's definitely got motive. 681 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:46,256 I agree. He's our best bet. 682 00:29:46,351 --> 00:29:48,166 And if his blood type is AB negative, 683 00:29:48,186 --> 00:29:50,164 - that might be enough to get Cindy out. - Okay. 684 00:29:50,188 --> 00:29:51,670 So let's subpoena Sam Marshall, 685 00:29:51,747 --> 00:29:53,107 hammer it out of him on the stand. 686 00:29:53,191 --> 00:29:54,668 Yeah, but what if he testifies to being 687 00:29:54,692 --> 00:29:57,101 a different blood type? Then we're dead. 688 00:29:57,195 --> 00:29:59,362 Or maybe there's another way we can get his blood type. 689 00:30:00,256 --> 00:30:01,530 Pray tell. 690 00:30:01,649 --> 00:30:04,425 It's not exactly legal, so maybe I shouldn't say anything. 691 00:30:04,427 --> 00:30:06,994 - I didn't hear that. - I never had this conversation. 692 00:30:09,398 --> 00:30:10,948 - Boston Tea Party. - Hey. 693 00:30:11,066 --> 00:30:12,691 No, think about the Boston Tea Party. 694 00:30:12,752 --> 00:30:14,432 What are we dumping? Are we dumping coffee? 695 00:30:16,939 --> 00:30:19,623 I know my own stuff is hard enough to deal with, 696 00:30:19,741 --> 00:30:22,126 but I have no idea how you do it publicly. 697 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:24,111 You're so resilient. 698 00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:26,130 And that article... 699 00:30:26,224 --> 00:30:28,540 Does Madeline really think that you killed Rosemary? 700 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,226 I don't know. 701 00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:35,564 I find it a bit ironic that... 702 00:30:35,724 --> 00:30:38,234 that she thinks that I did it, but... 703 00:30:38,394 --> 00:30:39,693 Why? 704 00:30:41,964 --> 00:30:45,223 ? You've been forewarned... ? 705 00:30:45,243 --> 00:30:46,892 You can tell me. 706 00:30:46,953 --> 00:30:48,786 I won't say anything. 707 00:30:50,248 --> 00:30:51,997 Group code of silence. 708 00:30:55,586 --> 00:31:00,089 The night that... that Rosemary was killed, 709 00:31:00,207 --> 00:31:03,651 before we even knew that she was dead, 710 00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:06,762 everybody's looking for her... 711 00:31:06,881 --> 00:31:09,098 except for Madeline. 712 00:31:09,175 --> 00:31:12,250 - What? - She was... she was just acting so strange. 713 00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:15,938 You know, like she was... she was high or something. 714 00:31:17,333 --> 00:31:20,901 Just looking straight ahead in a haze. 715 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,358 So she didn't help you look? 716 00:31:28,477 --> 00:31:30,027 No, that's the weird thing. 717 00:31:30,145 --> 00:31:31,829 Something was definitely wrong. 718 00:31:33,458 --> 00:31:36,917 Do you think that Madeline might have done something to Rosemary? 719 00:31:39,297 --> 00:31:40,629 No. 720 00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:43,299 I just never understood 721 00:31:43,459 --> 00:31:46,302 why she's acting so strange, you know? 722 00:31:46,378 --> 00:31:50,097 Before anybody even knew that... that Rosemary was killed. 723 00:31:59,058 --> 00:32:02,485 This isn't exactly the "let's just be friends" pact we just made. 724 00:32:02,561 --> 00:32:05,863 I know. I can't help it. 725 00:32:08,493 --> 00:32:10,809 Me neither. 726 00:32:15,148 --> 00:32:18,909 Okay, we have to stop or they're gonna throw me out of here. 727 00:32:18,986 --> 00:32:20,986 No, they won't. I took care of it. 728 00:32:21,005 --> 00:32:25,749 You've always had this place wired. 729 00:32:25,867 --> 00:32:28,827 But maybe not for long. 730 00:32:28,888 --> 00:32:30,888 Why? What do you mean? 731 00:32:32,207 --> 00:32:35,184 My parole board hearing got set. 732 00:32:36,521 --> 00:32:38,189 My lawyer actually thinks I'm gonna have a shot 733 00:32:38,213 --> 00:32:40,097 of getting out of here. 734 00:32:42,017 --> 00:32:43,675 Wren, that's amazing. 735 00:32:43,694 --> 00:32:45,361 Is it? 736 00:32:45,521 --> 00:32:47,104 Of course it is. 737 00:32:47,222 --> 00:32:49,365 Madeline... 738 00:32:49,525 --> 00:32:51,942 let's be real. 739 00:32:52,019 --> 00:32:54,111 Do you really see us together out there? 740 00:32:54,229 --> 00:32:57,206 Like, hanging with your pals, meeting your folks? 741 00:32:58,251 --> 00:33:00,209 Yeah, I do. 742 00:33:00,327 --> 00:33:02,711 Okay then. 743 00:33:04,197 --> 00:33:06,715 How many people have you told about me? 744 00:33:08,335 --> 00:33:10,970 That's what I thought. 745 00:33:12,890 --> 00:33:15,132 This thing we have between us... 746 00:33:15,226 --> 00:33:16,967 it exists only in here. 747 00:33:17,061 --> 00:33:18,877 I know on the outside 748 00:33:18,896 --> 00:33:21,638 you hide this side of you. I'm not mad about it. 749 00:33:21,732 --> 00:33:24,275 I just... I don't want to be disappointed. 750 00:33:26,904 --> 00:33:30,981 I don't know what's gonna happen between us when you get out. 751 00:33:31,099 --> 00:33:32,741 But can we worry about that later? 752 00:33:32,818 --> 00:33:35,202 All that matters is that you get out of here. 753 00:33:37,672 --> 00:33:41,041 - Get out of here. - Okay. 754 00:33:45,497 --> 00:33:48,073 All of the students organized a search party. 755 00:33:48,092 --> 00:33:51,594 Everyone was looking. Everyone except for her. 756 00:33:53,155 --> 00:33:55,264 I've been looking at this backwards. 757 00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:56,782 I always thought he killed her 758 00:33:56,784 --> 00:33:58,249 and that Madeline was his accomplice. 759 00:33:58,269 --> 00:34:01,812 I never considered that she might've acted alone. 760 00:34:02,857 --> 00:34:04,607 So what now? 761 00:34:05,651 --> 00:34:07,109 Maybe... 762 00:34:08,838 --> 00:34:12,281 ... we make Levi Scott our star witness. 763 00:34:26,021 --> 00:34:27,688 Oh. Hi. 764 00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:30,115 Sorry. Um, I have a court order 765 00:34:30,134 --> 00:34:32,709 for the medical records of Samuel Marshall 766 00:34:32,828 --> 00:34:35,529 from September 17, 1982. 767 00:34:35,531 --> 00:34:38,215 This is not for Samuel Marshall. 768 00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:40,033 This is for a Betsy Miers. 769 00:34:40,061 --> 00:34:42,886 Oh, my God, really? 770 00:34:43,004 --> 00:34:46,440 I brought the wrong one, and I drove an hour to get here. 771 00:34:47,843 --> 00:34:49,559 You want to save me a two-hour drive? 772 00:34:49,678 --> 00:34:52,896 It's from 37 years ago. I don't even think he's still alive. 773 00:34:52,990 --> 00:34:54,564 Do you mind? 774 00:34:54,659 --> 00:34:56,659 I'll get you a coffee or a doughnut. 775 00:34:56,819 --> 00:34:58,869 All right, let me check. 776 00:35:06,253 --> 00:35:07,819 Excuse me? 777 00:35:07,897 --> 00:35:09,821 You gave me the wrong file. It's his wife's. 778 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,840 It's S. Marshall, 779 00:35:11,917 --> 00:35:13,825 but the "S" is for Sharon, not for Samuel. 780 00:35:13,886 --> 00:35:15,928 Okay, let me look again. 781 00:35:29,193 --> 00:35:33,420 Mr. Marshall, can you describe your relationship with Vanessa Evans? 782 00:35:33,422 --> 00:35:35,364 I wouldn't call it a relationship. 783 00:35:35,482 --> 00:35:36,642 What would you call it, then? 784 00:35:38,619 --> 00:35:39,684 Please remember you're under oath. 785 00:35:39,704 --> 00:35:41,778 - We were friends. - As friends, 786 00:35:41,897 --> 00:35:45,449 were you having a sexual relationship with Vanessa? 787 00:35:45,567 --> 00:35:46,691 Objection. Leading the witness. 788 00:35:46,711 --> 00:35:49,119 Sustained. Ms. Scott, your point? 789 00:35:49,237 --> 00:35:51,196 It's coming, Your Honor. 790 00:35:51,215 --> 00:35:54,032 Mr. Marshall, what is your blood type? 791 00:35:54,093 --> 00:35:56,201 Objection. Relevance. 792 00:35:56,262 --> 00:35:57,778 Your Honor, my client was convicted 793 00:35:57,780 --> 00:36:00,781 because her blood type is AB negative, the same blood type 794 00:36:00,783 --> 00:36:03,784 found at the scene of the crime. I think it's relevant to know 795 00:36:03,786 --> 00:36:05,894 what Mr. Marshall's blood type is. 796 00:36:06,054 --> 00:36:08,397 - Please answer the question. - Be happy to answer. 797 00:36:08,557 --> 00:36:10,958 My blood type is O positive. 798 00:36:10,985 --> 00:36:14,194 And do you happen to know the blood type of your wife? 799 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,405 What? 800 00:36:16,565 --> 00:36:19,575 Your wife. What was her blood type? 801 00:36:19,693 --> 00:36:23,394 - I... don't know. - Well, let me tell you. 802 00:36:23,456 --> 00:36:26,231 It was AB negative. 803 00:36:26,308 --> 00:36:28,658 The same blood type found at the crime scene. 804 00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:32,162 It's also the rarest blood type in the world. 805 00:36:32,256 --> 00:36:34,256 I would like to submit Petitioner's Exhibit A, 806 00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:36,592 a copy of Sharon Marshall's medical file 807 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:39,094 proving that her blood type was AB negative. 808 00:36:39,213 --> 00:36:42,413 Mr. Marshall, did your wife murder Vanessa Evans? 809 00:36:45,102 --> 00:36:47,828 My client has spent 37 years behind bars 810 00:36:47,855 --> 00:36:49,087 for a murder she didn't commit, 811 00:36:49,106 --> 00:36:50,866 so will you please tell this court the truth. 812 00:36:52,359 --> 00:36:54,943 For once in your life, will you tell the truth? 813 00:36:55,020 --> 00:36:56,940 Your wife found out about the affair, didn't she? 814 00:36:58,616 --> 00:36:59,907 Didn't she? 815 00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:10,292 When I came home from New York the next day, I... 816 00:37:12,454 --> 00:37:15,297 ... found my wife sitting on the floor. 817 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:19,134 She was covered in Vanessa's blood. 818 00:37:19,294 --> 00:37:23,864 My wife was not a killer. 819 00:37:23,866 --> 00:37:25,724 Just that when she found out that I was... 820 00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:29,794 ... having an affair with... 821 00:37:29,814 --> 00:37:31,313 Vanessa... 822 00:37:33,433 --> 00:37:35,058 ... she snapped. 823 00:37:35,135 --> 00:37:38,487 And so you let Cindy Whitman take the fall for a murder 824 00:37:38,605 --> 00:37:40,572 that your wife was responsible for. 825 00:37:42,442 --> 00:37:45,494 You may as well have locked an innocent woman in a cage yourself. 826 00:37:48,557 --> 00:37:52,409 Your Honor, my client has lost her life over a lie. 827 00:37:52,527 --> 00:37:54,461 Can she please go home now? 828 00:37:59,626 --> 00:38:01,159 Ms. Whitman, 829 00:38:01,178 --> 00:38:04,087 based on the newly-discovered evidence presented here today, 830 00:38:04,164 --> 00:38:06,682 it is clear that the State of Illinois owes you an apology. 831 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,094 This court hereby declares you actually innocent. 832 00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:19,586 Does this mean I get my hormones now? 833 00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:21,029 Yes, it does. 834 00:38:29,264 --> 00:38:30,956 You're gonna be okay out there. 835 00:38:32,601 --> 00:38:36,050 Sometimes it's terrifying to show who we are to the world, 836 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:38,650 but if we keep our true identity a secret, 837 00:38:38,651 --> 00:38:43,719 it can mutate and form a disease that can kill you... 838 00:38:43,837 --> 00:38:47,631 or, even worse, the people around you. 839 00:38:47,725 --> 00:38:50,784 We have to be true to ourselves, 840 00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:52,710 or we could end up hurting 841 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:54,813 the people we love most. 842 00:38:57,126 --> 00:39:00,127 - Ira, hi. - Hey. So? 843 00:39:00,154 --> 00:39:02,979 Um, I've been thinking about your job offer a lot. 844 00:39:03,098 --> 00:39:06,133 - Great. What do you think? - Have a seat. 845 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,651 - Okay. - So I would be totally lying 846 00:39:10,652 --> 00:39:15,475 if I didn't say that working for you would be a dream come true. 847 00:39:15,477 --> 00:39:17,753 But if I'm being honest, 848 00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:19,980 I'm already living my dream. 849 00:39:19,982 --> 00:39:21,815 I'm a wrongful conviction advocate, 850 00:39:21,817 --> 00:39:24,409 I am a investigator, 851 00:39:24,428 --> 00:39:26,744 it turns out I'm a truth seeker. 852 00:39:26,764 --> 00:39:28,913 I think that I only do the podcast 853 00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:31,324 so that I can shine a light on the issues, 854 00:39:31,326 --> 00:39:33,677 - not so that I can be famous. - Yeah. 855 00:39:33,795 --> 00:39:35,270 I want to stay here, on the ground, 856 00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:37,998 working to get innocent people released, 857 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,258 because that is my purpose. 858 00:39:40,277 --> 00:39:43,278 - I hope you can understand that. - I do, I mean, 859 00:39:43,397 --> 00:39:47,691 I do, totally. I mean, sort of. I mean, it's totally great. 860 00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:49,901 Like, this is your life's purpose. 861 00:39:49,954 --> 00:39:52,140 But maybe a big mistake? Like, from my perspective, like, 862 00:39:52,164 --> 00:39:55,198 I don't know, maybe you're making a big, terrible mistake. 863 00:39:55,275 --> 00:39:58,126 I don't know. But you need to do what you need to do, 864 00:39:58,245 --> 00:40:01,279 and so, I... I respect that that's what you need to do, 865 00:40:01,298 --> 00:40:03,948 so, um, so good luck. 866 00:40:03,968 --> 00:40:05,375 - Thanks. - Yeah. 867 00:40:05,493 --> 00:40:07,452 Obviously, from this point forward, you know, 868 00:40:07,471 --> 00:40:10,806 our podcasts... we're enemies and all, so... 869 00:40:10,882 --> 00:40:12,215 You know I'm kidding, right? 870 00:40:12,333 --> 00:40:15,035 - I do. - Like, seriously, good luck. 871 00:40:15,062 --> 00:40:16,269 - Thanks. - Okay. 872 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,324 Did you tell him you're not gonna do it? 873 00:40:29,484 --> 00:40:30,951 Yeah. 874 00:40:32,162 --> 00:40:34,221 Am I making a terrible mistake? 875 00:40:34,223 --> 00:40:36,223 Eh... 876 00:40:36,225 --> 00:40:38,225 I mean, 877 00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:40,227 I'm sure you would've had a great time hobnobbing 878 00:40:40,229 --> 00:40:41,652 with the New York City elite 879 00:40:41,672 --> 00:40:43,897 and eating at the best restaurants in the world, 880 00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:47,676 living your life like a joyous 1950s movie montage, 881 00:40:47,753 --> 00:40:50,637 but if you did all that, guess who wouldn't be there? 882 00:40:51,757 --> 00:40:55,258 - You. - That's right, this guy. 883 00:40:55,376 --> 00:40:58,020 Yeah, I want you here, 884 00:40:58,138 --> 00:41:00,004 but this firm needs you here. 885 00:41:00,082 --> 00:41:02,024 And as the chairman of the board said, 886 00:41:02,142 --> 00:41:03,917 "Chicago is my kind of town." 887 00:41:03,919 --> 00:41:06,445 It's my kind of town, too. 888 00:41:13,787 --> 00:41:18,189 ? My kind of town ? 889 00:41:18,208 --> 00:41:21,434 ? Chicago is ? 890 00:41:21,462 --> 00:41:24,862 ? My kind of town ? 891 00:41:24,882 --> 00:41:28,383 ? Chicago is ? 892 00:41:28,460 --> 00:41:31,444 ? My kind ? 893 00:41:31,446 --> 00:41:33,780 ? Of people, too ? 894 00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:35,949 ? People who... ? 895 00:41:35,951 --> 00:41:37,375 How you doing, Cindy? 896 00:41:37,394 --> 00:41:38,635 ? Smile at you... ? 897 00:41:38,729 --> 00:41:40,637 I shouldn't even be here. 898 00:41:40,731 --> 00:41:42,789 I should be dead, too. 899 00:41:42,791 --> 00:41:45,308 We all lost so much in the fire, 900 00:41:45,426 --> 00:41:47,385 but we're still here. 901 00:41:47,404 --> 00:41:50,297 You finally down for us girls now? 902 00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:53,075 I am so sorry, Cindy. 903 00:41:53,151 --> 00:41:55,560 We were so consumed trying to protect ourselves, 904 00:41:55,621 --> 00:41:58,455 we lost sight of what the fight was about. 905 00:42:00,459 --> 00:42:02,659 It's okay, sweetie. 906 00:42:02,777 --> 00:42:06,254 It's time for all of us queens to move on. 907 00:42:06,373 --> 00:42:08,256 Welcome home, Cindy. 908 00:42:13,171 --> 00:42:17,432 ? My kind of town ? 909 00:42:17,551 --> 00:42:20,185 ? Chicago is ? 910 00:42:21,438 --> 00:42:24,848 ? My kind of town ? 911 00:42:24,966 --> 00:42:27,667 ? Chicago is ? 912 00:42:27,694 --> 00:42:30,928 ? My kind ? 913 00:42:30,948 --> 00:42:34,691 ? Of razzmatazz ? 914 00:42:34,785 --> 00:42:38,528 ? And it has all that jazz... ? 915 00:42:38,622 --> 00:42:40,013 Hey, Maddie. 916 00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:43,183 - Hi, Mom. How are you? - I'm good, how are you? 917 00:42:43,185 --> 00:42:44,851 I'm good. 918 00:42:44,853 --> 00:42:47,129 I just called to tell you that I'm bisexual 919 00:42:47,289 --> 00:42:48,755 and I'm dating a woman. 920 00:42:50,792 --> 00:42:52,467 - Mom? - Um... 921 00:42:52,627 --> 00:42:56,363 th... that's very interesting. When can we meet her? 922 00:42:56,365 --> 00:42:58,548 That's a bit tricky because she's in prison, 923 00:42:58,625 --> 00:43:00,642 but she might be paroled soon. 924 00:43:03,597 --> 00:43:05,564 Mom? 925 00:43:07,042 --> 00:43:09,042 Mom? 926 00:43:10,744 --> 00:43:16,300 _ 927 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,000 - Synced and corrected by chamallow - - www.addic7ed.com -